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We need an HVAC play ready to go on some kinda scare selloff.
It’s impossible to overstate how different the world will be in 2 years.
I admit to some nostalgia for liberation day. PLTR $65 for instance.
Interesting.
This article kinda sorta explains AI's water usage, but then veers off into a lot of indirect usages (such as wafer fabrication and hydroelectric power) which muddies the entire story. Typical Forbes.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/cindygo...esource-water/
The big problem is that cooling has always been a challenge in electronics, and with AI's computationally intensive work, it needs an immense amount of water to help cool the machines.
Better computational tech is unlikely to help, as it will probably track directly with the demand for ever-more-complex AI.
Yes, soon this is going to be a problem which will need to be addressed.
Do you guys not realize how much water major metros go through in a day? NYC is over a billion gallons a day on average.
The 436 million gallon total quoted in this article is a combined amount over a two year period. It is extreme for something like this, but I don't think it's a supply problem, it's an infrastructure problem.
Lord desert runner upon whence the water wars commence I believe our first course of action is to drain traitor todges blood into our fuel contraptions we use to power our land barges, before we set sail for the whispered promised territory of one sonatine for whom legend has said his skin is so flappy we can use to power a fleet to sail us to the new islands that are left of humanity
my leige we await your commands
this is the actual article i quoted but neglected to include;
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/san-a...ought-38116670
so for anyone wondering, the issue isnt that these datacenters somehow make water vanish, its that the water is either evaporated off, returned to the system super-heated, or worst of all, poisoned with chemicals and basically processed/warehoused elsewhere.
so yeah it doesnt get like returned to the local ecosystem or water table. which means that AI datacenters are 100% competing for water with humans when they are built anywhere near them.
like the boots on the ground narrative in texas right now is a dude working 14 hours at an oil well and coming home and being told he needs to take it easy with the shower because elon musk needs his grok AI waifu to be 10% more bisexual.
This is more ridiculous fear mongering. It is a problem with ones not using the latest cooling methods but not anywhere close to being the apocalyptic issue people are trying to make it out to be. The closed loop systems largely solve the water issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Probably from you flushing every 30 minutes shitting out all your fat ass eats daily.
Maybe somewhere with a cooler climate could have been considered for the location
Here in NY and nyc we got rocked by flooding of subways and lots of cars totally flooded
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Originally Posted by OK2
you need engineers to live near the datacenter to perform maintenance and upkeep, you need to be able to efficiently supply them with fuel, etc etc.
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Originally Posted by OK2
The temperature outside doesn't matter much. The issue is the AI machines heating themselves up.
One possible solution might involve pulling freshwater from an area where water is plentiful, and directly from the source, so there's no additional expense of sanitizing the water for human consumption (or delivering it via public utilities).
Like... for example, put an AI datacenter near Lake Tahoe, which has 39.75 trillion gallons. Not enough for you? Lake Michigan has 1.3 quadrillion gallons. Suck water directly from a source like that, and wastage is no longer an issue.
tuscon keeping it 100.
voted down the amazon datacenter 7-0.
https://x.com/EricFinkTV/status/1953191152703947254
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Yea why would a city want good jobs and tax revenue?
Oh, here’s why. Far left lunatics cried long enough. Note the county went for the old cocksucker Harris over Trump 292,000 to 210,000.
“ Since October 2024, a group of organizers with the Democratic Socialists of America have run a campaign to encourage Tucson to break its contract with longtime energy supplier Tucson Electric Power and run its own energy utility”
Like Sonatine, Tucson is filled with lazy losers sitting on their ass collecting government benefits.
theres gonna be one monster child to lead the kids during the water wars tine has already contributed to set up her 1985 ford bronco fund
https://www.propublica.org/article/w...g-ocean-levels
yeah this isnt going away btw
I know nothing about this, but random notes-
- Does the water just cool and evaporate at the facility?
- Cant the system work like a car's radiator- cool in and hot out and the recirculate?
- What if this facility was on the ocean front and used salt water to cool like the now decommissioned San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS) in Southern California? Cold water in, cools, hot water out. Texas is on the ocean, so use all that free cold salt water.
https://i0.wp.com/www.hcn.org/wp-con...15%2C481&ssl=1
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peak desertruinner
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A.) Salt water is corrosive, so no.
B.) Texas is on the Gulf of Mexico, which is one of the hottest bodies of water in the world. (You know those “hurricane” thingies that pop up from time to time?)
LOL at the elementary level answers. Let deep dive this...Quote:
Originally Posted by go_buccos
A. Yes, salt water is corrosive, but were talking about a cooling system here, right. So under pressure and constantly moving, then its not an issues. You saw my picture of SONGS in my post, right, but you had no idea what I was saying there. That nuclear reactor is cooled by salt water, you dip shit, thats why its on the beach. Also, this IA operation is big money, so they could just swap out the corroded parts and install new ones. Also, since its such big money, they could just de-salt the water prior and use. Again, big money here.
B. Texas on the Gulf of Mexico/America is a warm body of water, non an issue. The pipes could go deep and suck, just like Lake Mead does. Cold ocean water would cool just fine. As for hurricanes, its all underground pipes and you the facility could be built heavy duty to withstand.
Your answers were pure elementary.
The last thing you'd want is salt accumulation on the circuitry, so this would not work.
Cooling a nuclear reactor is different.
so DrugRunner says he knows nothing about this, and then when someone says it wouldn't work for X,Y, and Z reasons... DrugRunner says "that's an elementary response"... and that's incorrect...???!!!!
fuck dude if you know so much, why did you even ask..???!!!
@druff needs to put him back on his leash for Christ sakes...
Again Druff, lets dive a little deeper...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
So is the water actually physically touching the circuits?? That doesnt make much sense at all. I have seen the Alien PC desktops PCs that use water as a cooling method and common sense tells me that the water is not physically touching the circuits or computer components, rather cooling.
Per a Google search, I am correct-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTUANWvbtCYQuote:
Alienware uses a liquid cooling system, often called the Cryo-Tech liquid cooling system, in its high-performance Aurora and Area-51 gaming desktops to cool components like the CPU. This system uses a closed-loop liquid cooler with a pump, radiator, and fans to efficiently draw heat away from the CPU and other parts
And again, de-salt the water, not an issues as the US Navy does it on their subs every day.
Not really, equipment cooling is all the same- its cold water in to cool and hot water out, repeat. Just like a car's radiator.Quote:
Cooling a nuclear reactor is different.
Having some intelligence and common sense, this stuff isnt hard to figure out, its basic cooling. Go-Bronco's just wantedto be an ass-clown and guessing response in Post #22 to be disruptive was lame and was easy to dismantle.Quote:
so DrugRunner says he knows nothing about this, and then when someone says it wouldn't work for X,Y, and Z reasons... DrugRunner says "that's an elementary response"... and that's incorrect...???!!!!
fuck dude if you know so much, why did you even ask..???!!!
so wheres the rallying point as we begin our cross country journey to turn tine into the giant sail we need to reach the islands cuz like im getting used to flying private out of scottsdale but i can make tucson
we have to backtrack to the valley and kill todge first you know hes doom day prepped so much water
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like you haven't.
i have a water softener and i drink straight from the bedroom tap which is apparently poison
like when im throwing up white wine in the shower im like should i drink this salt water bullshit water and i just go with it
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be honest, it is really a rose'.
if were being honest its like 4loko cuz im too lazy to goto the store and i refuse to pay 17 dollars for white wine at a gas station