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This plane and the 787 overall had a 100% safety record until today.
From videos it appear the lift upon takeoff wasn’t there as almost if both engines were not working as the plane can and should be able to operate with only one.
More problems for Boeing regardless of the reason for the crash.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../121800365.cms
I just booked a flight on one, too.
Lovely.
It's been nice knowing you guys.
Ha! So did I, LA to Miami.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Zero concerns on my end about the plane, the odds are with us.
I know you had concerns with the Max as well, which was new and definitely had a training issue with pilots, not a design flaw but the reason doesn’t matter when you crash.
But the 787 has been fine since its introduction. I’m confident, maybe too confident, they will figure out what happened quickly and address it if it’s possibly systemwide.
For me, I’m more concerned with the ATC’s, radar and the crazy amount of planes in the sky at any point in time. Look at Flight Radar or Flightaware around any major airport, they have a difficult job with no room for error.
99% of plane crashes are pilot error or being inadvertently shot out of the sky by Russia, these things just don't fall out of the sky. That video looks very sketchy, almost intentional. It was just a slow descent, my guess the pilot was on a suicide mission.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozHa! So did I, LA to Miami.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Zero concerns on my end about the plane, the odds are with us.
I know you had concerns with the Max as well, which was new and definitely had a training issue with pilots, not a design flaw but the reason doesn’t matter when you crash.
But the 787 has been fine since its introduction. I’m confident, maybe too confident, they will figure out what happened quickly and address it if it’s possibly systemwide.
For me, I’m more concerned with the ATC’s, radar and the crazy amount of planes in the sky at any point in time. Look at Flight Radar or Flightaware around any major airport, they have a difficult job with no room for error.
That’s certainly possible as an option.
I’m now hearing an expert saying weight could have been an issue from the video. With all the computers and double checking I’d be surprised if that happened unless there was a major error in calculations and the systems in place.
Flap error was also listed but again alarms should be going off way before takeoff if that happened.
Bottom line is this shouldn’t happen and something in the safety checklist was missed or bypassed. Which comes back to your theory.
Only sure thing is Boeing stock will take another huge hit today.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Note how the plane seems to be flying level then tries to climb last minute but didn’t have the speed to lift at this point.
Just speculation on my end but that could be because of the flaps set incorrectly.
Any third world crash makes it more likely that it's pilot error or poor maintenance, so that definitely has to be taken into account.
I've seen others speculate the flaps were involved here.
This is primarily why I never fly overseas, the service level maintenance and pilot vetting is generally awful. My fear of flying is pilot error, I read an article a while back, the biggest problem with pilots nowadays is they have become so reliant on auto pilot they simply forget how to fly a plane on their own, so when you need that skillset you are like an aged athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by The BozQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Note how the plane seems to be flying level then tries to climb last minute but didn’t have the speed to lift at this point.
Just speculation on my end but that could be because of the flaps set incorrectly.
Apparently this airport has a problem with vultures, yes vultures. So the initial theory is a bird strike in the engines.
the dreamliner is a pleasure to fly in compared to all other aircraft i have been on.
I only fly Southwest due to credit card points, so I have not been on anything other than a 737 for years. I know some people hate on Southwest, I never get the hate given their very generous loyalty program. I just get my seat and get off the plane two to three hours later. Some people complain about everything, I just get on, tilt my seat back after take off and that is about as deep as it gets for me. Airplanes are nothing more today than a Greyhound bus, its general transportation. I remember flying with my Dad in the 1980s on TWA, they had a plane so large they actually had an upstairs with a bar, the bar seats were all equipped with seats belts, lol are those days over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
So there's apparently one guy who claims to have been in seat 11A, and was seen walking away from the crash:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/12/india...esh-intl-latam
The guy had blood on his shirt, but otherwise wasn't particularly dirty, nor injured-looking.
At first it was dismissed on social media as a hoax.
However, now it is being widely covered in media. I still think there's a good chance this was a hoax. Air India has not yet verified that he was really on that plane. He was near the emergency exit, and experts said the explosion was likely to be most intense right there, so it's shocking he could have survived at all, let alone be able to walk away.
I bet this will be revealed to be bullshit within a few days.
Years ago there was a plane crash over in Florida, everyone died. There was a guy at the airport who was interviewed he was late for that plane, missed it and now was miraculously alive. He was all over the news giving interviews on how luck he was. Turns out he made the whole thing up, he missed a completely different plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
seen a video late last night on TikTok, there is a 30 year veteran pilot on there (commercial passenger) and he goes by "pilot Steve" i think it is and i believe he is on youtube also, anyways he analyzed the video and he believes that probably the pilot told the copilot " ok landing gear up" but the copilot hit flaps up instead by accident, causing the plane to lose lift, he came to this conclusion by stating the landing gear should of started to retract shortly after takeoff , but it was still fully in the down position when it should of been retracted this far from the takeoff... makes sense and i believe pilot Steve...
my bad it's Captain Steeeve, here is his breakdown of what he thinks happened...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7EZ...CaptainSteeeve
That's coincidental, I thought the exact same thing after watching the video a few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1dollarboxcar
Reminds of me of Seth MacFarlane on 9/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
He was supposed to be on one of the planes that hit one of the towers, but his travel agent gave him the wrong time by 30 minutes, and he got there at what he thought was the last minute due to a hangover.
So far nobody has proven that the "sole survivor" is a liar.
Dude may be legit. Weird.
Trump's Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick was CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald decided to take his son to his 1st day of Kindergarten the day of 9-11. His office was on the top floor of the WTC. He was stuck in traffic when the first plane hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffReminds of me of Seth MacFarlane on 9/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by desertrunner
He was supposed to be on one of the planes that hit one of the towers, but his travel agent gave him the wrong time by 30 minutes, and he got there at what he thought was the last minute due to a hangover.
Donald Trump in 1989 was supposed to be on the Helicopter with his executive team to Atlantic City. At the last minute he declined because he was working on something else. Copter crashed everyone dead.
Life can be mysterious.
it must be legit https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd901xn4001oQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
also if you want to survive a plane crash with this type of plane, you'll want to sit in seat 11A... i mean what are the odds of this...!!???
When Thai actor-singer Ruangsak Loychusak saw news of the June 12 Air India plane crash, one detail sent chills down his spine. The sole survivor was in seat 11A – the same seat number as Mr Ruangsak’s when he survived a deadly crash nearly 27 years ago. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...from-same-seat
Welcome to the new craze in airline travel...
Thai singer Ruangsak Loychusak, known as “Iron Bones,” survived a deadly 1998 plane crash that killed 101 people. His seat? 11A.
Fast forward 27 years — the sole survivor of last week’s Air India crash in Ahmedabad also walked away from the wreckage… seated in 11A.
Ruangsak shared his shock at the eerie coincidence, calling it “goosebump-worthy” and offering his condolences to the victims’ families.
Two crashes. 27 years apart. Same seat. One unbelievable reminder of how fragile life really is.
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...CA&oe=6854EAA5
You’re going to have to book a year in advance now to get 11A. Everyone is going to be asking about it. But the worst part is if you get it there is going to be 20 randoms striking up conversations about how you got the lucky seat.
What show am I thinking about? Movie or tv where someone is the sole survivor? I recall a storyline similar. Might have been a train derailment.
Captain Steeeve has changed his theory due to new/clearer video + audio... looks and sounds like the RAT was deployed
(Ram Air Turbine) due to dual engine failure... he explains and shows what the RAT is and how it sounds when deployed.... love this guy....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XYO-mj1ugg
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I haven’t been following terribly closely, but have they ruled out double bird strike yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Not much Boeing can do about that…
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Originally Posted by go_buccosI haven’t been following terribly closely, but have they ruled out double bird strike yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Not much Boeing can do about that…
i believe the pilot would have immediately called that out instead of just saying hes lost thrust in both engines
Depending on the plane AND the type of crash, the bulkhead and close but behind the wings has shown to be the safer place to sit in quite a few crashes.
Of course there is sweet fuck all you can do if the pilot is suicidal and plants it straight into a mountain or the ocean.
Again nowhere near an expert on this, but I don’t think bird strikes are always immediately obvious to the cockpit crew.Quote:
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Originally Posted by go_buccos
i believe the pilot would have immediately called that out instead of just saying hes lost thrust in both engines
IIRC it took until the recovery of the plane to determine this was responsible for Miracle on the Hudson. From what I can remember Sully didn’t say anything about birds on the way down.
That said, my memory could be *extremely* faulty here.
i was seat 1d today at 6 am but ive literally thought about just doing the jump out the exit door if the plane is going down for fucking years like for fucking years man is hero
Seat 1D blows. They like to say it has more legroom, but it's a lie, because you're straight into the fucking bulkhead, whereas with a seat in front of you, your legs can still go under that seat somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
Also a lot of time that seat is cold, or it smells bad because the bathroom is nearby.
In general, I say fuck Row 1.
On a side note, I'm starting to become concerned that we are entering a new era in aviation where nobody knows what the fuck they're doing when it comes to maintenance or engineering safe planes, and these aircraft malfunction crashes are going to become more common.
But maybe this really was pilot error or a double bird strike.
they are kinda ruling out bird strikes because they didn't find any dead birds on or near the runway... i am just repeating from Captain Steve and others who have good knowledge of this sort of stuff....
If it is engine failure, I’m sure Boeing will be through and transparent in their investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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There was nothing unusual about the first moments after takeoff. Then, Viswashkumar Ramesh said, it felt like the plane got stuck in midair.
It wasn’t clear yet, but Air India Flight 171 was going down.
Green and white lights suddenly illuminated the cabin. The next thing Ramesh knew, he was on the ground. Seated next to an emergency exit on the plane’s left side, he made his way outside.
He saw that the right side of the plane had crashed into a building, blocking exits there. Then a massive fireball sent flames and black smoke billowing into the sky.
“I don’t know how I survived,” Ramesh said, recounting the scene in an interview with India’s public broadcaster from his hospital bed. The British national, who had wounds on his face but appeared to have avoided major injury, is the crash’s lone survivor.
Across the world’s most populous nation, Ramesh has become known as the miracle of window seat 11A.
Read more: https://on.wsj.com/45nZFj8
Multiple reports saying it’s “near impossible” to accidentally turn these off.
One of these 2 wanted the plane to go down.
Suiciding pilots tend to do something more spectacular then just turning off fuel to the engines on takeoff. The flight might well have been recoverable from this point with a bit of luck. It's now been revealed that one of the pilots asked why the other had turned off the fuel-control switches and they were immediately afterwards turned back on.The fact that the landing gear wasn't retracted when it should have been makes me think that the pilot simply flipped the wrong switches.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
correct, this is what i am seeing from pilots too, these are not normal switches that you can accidentally touch and turn off, from what other pilots are saying is, in order to turn them "switches" to be turned off, it is like a big gear shifter mechanism, first you would have to unlock it by depressing a red switch on top of the "gear selector type mechanism" then slide it down about 9 inches, then sideways about 9 inches and then back up another 9 inches and that would be for both engines each engine has it's own big switch type mechanism... kinda like if you were switching gears in a manual transmission big rig truck except with bigger strokes, from what they are saying is, these are mechanism type switches ( totally manual ) so the computer system would not have a chance to get in the way if a pilot really wanted to do this... the pilots are saying you would probably only do this ( engage the fuel shut offs ) is like if the engine(s) would catch fire while in flight...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Boz
so one would really have to go extremely out of the way to do this... twice.. one for each engine...