has to be fatalities directly linked to a F1 related event/accident.
yes, terrorist attacks and mass shootings in the crowd absolutely count.
fentanyl overdoses are excluded. unless someone crop dusts the crowd with fentanyl.
im in for lucky 13.
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has to be fatalities directly linked to a F1 related event/accident.
yes, terrorist attacks and mass shootings in the crowd absolutely count.
fentanyl overdoses are excluded. unless someone crop dusts the crowd with fentanyl.
im in for lucky 13.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Been to the vegas strip twice over the past few months including 3 weeks ago. Took my dad to Mon Ami Gabi at the Paris which (usually) overlooks the Bellagio fountains, now that stupid structure they put up for billionaires to watch the race.
We couldn't stop talking about the bananas foster crepe or the fact that one bad accident would result in the death of at least 20 people. Its legitimately a good (and obvious) call that something really really bad could happen and that it will be some of the earths most wealthy people.
Put me down for 13.5, price as right style.
I was just in Vegas last week.
Believe it or not, I have two tickets in a great area of the stands waiting for me, plus a free hotel room, and I'm probably just gonna let it go and stay in LA, because the whole thing is a tremendous shitshow, and I'm not an F1 fan anyway. At first I tried to sell it and got some interested buyers, but even that's too much of a hassle at this point.
I did consider whether there would be any accidents which would kill/injure people in the stands, or if there might be a terrorist attack.
I do not believe a terrorist attack will occur. Not only is it very difficult (or impossible) to get a vehicle into the area, but police are on high alert for such a thing. These attacks almost always use the element of surprise, and rarely occur when you'd expect them. Yes, someone could go Stephen Paddock and fire from a hotel window, but honestly they could wait 7 more weeks and get a much higher body count on New Years.
Could there be a death in the stands? Probably not, as these are elevated -- at least the ones I saw on LV Blvd. I meant to take a picture of it, but I forgot.
There is still an outside chance I decide to drive there on Thursday morning (the race doesn't start 'til 10pm, in order to pacify the Euros), grab the tickets, find if anyone local in Vegas feels like going with me, and watch it. I just think I'll get bored after the novelty wears off after 10 minutes or so... and then what?
With that said, the idiotic organizers didn't realize that Vegas is cold in November at night.
Seriously.
There's an incorrect perception that Vegas is warm/hot year round, like Miami.
In reality, Vegas gets sporadic snowfall at times in the winter, and the nights start getting cool in late October. Fortunately, the forecasted rain for Thursday fell apart. Vegas can also get late fall rain, sometimes getting the aftermath of LA storms which frequent that area between mid-November and mid-March. The forecast for the race days now predict no rain, and highs in the low 70s, and lows in the low 50s. That's about as good as it gets for mid-November in Vegas.
Los Angeles will be getting rain on and off from Wednesday through Saturday, but apparently it won't make it to Vegas.
Still, this will be the coldest F1 race of the year, likely being around 55 degrees when they start on Thursday night.
The race is on SaturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Yeah I see now, I guess the practice rounds start Thursday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by TexterThe race is on SaturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2023/Las_Vegas.html
So, does this count? I mean, no race, no death:
I’ve been here since Friday, flying out today. Avoid area at all costs.
Uber drivers & cabbies are pissed. Las Vegas Blvd & all crossroads closed nightly from 5pm to 4am starting tomorrow.
Wife and I were discussing how poor the security fencing looked, one bad wreck or a tire into the crowd will result in deaths.
And another reason to not go is a ton of people plan to call out. Its going to be imposable to get in and out of there
https://twitter.com/Planet_F1/status...61331479617570
Max Verstappen F1 best driver probably isn't into Las Vegas
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Originally Posted by garrett
Max is having the most dominant year in the history of F1. He wrapped up the championship like 4 races ago. He is the fastest guy, in the fastest car, with a dominant team. He doesn’t like anything new because that adds variance. New circuit allows the slower teams to maybe figure something out as far as pit/tire strategy. More chances of making a mistake driving on a new circuit or a mechanical failure of some sort.
Max doesn’t even like sprint weekends because he just wants his three free practices, qualifying & then to go blow everyone’s doors off at the Grand Prix. He even excluded himself from the Drive To Survive ongoing F1 documentary on Netflix. I get where he’s coming from to a point, but dude has his third championship in a row wrapped up regardless. Maybe he could loosen up a little bit. But I get that he just wants to protect his dominance.
But it’s not really about Vegas for him imo. He just wants things to stay as status quo as possible. Not to say this can’t be a total shit show. I think they just should have made a great track out in the Desert. The Drivers would like thst much more than a street circuit. Which unless ingrained into the culture of the destination like the Monaco Grand Prix, is going to be a gigantic pain in the ass in most cities.
* FW - I don’t think he will lose without something going wrong. But I’ll probably put a few bucks on Lando Norris. McLaren trending up and I think Lando is the second best driver on the grid currently and will probably be the best in a year or two.
You convinced me.Quote:
Originally Posted by simply1
What little desire I had to possibly pop in during the weekend has evaporated. I feel it will be a giant shitshow.
I'll call later today and cancel everything.
Red Flag less than 10 minutes into the first free practice. Announcers saying may be bump on the track that messed up the Ferrari Not a great start.
https://x.com/F1/status/1725373533469983200?s=20
Session will not be resumed. “Track Issue”. Awful start. It’s seems to be a defect on a manhole cover that was actually on the strip portion of the track. Which was open to traffic until 7 PM today. So obviously much less time to inspect. Ferrari has significant damage and apparently an Alpine was also damaged to a lesser extent by the same issue.
Boy am I happy I didn't go.
What a fail.
That statement from F1 is weird. What do they mean that people's tickets and food options will be honored while they are reviewing it?
Are they looking for a pat on the back that they are doing people a favor by not invalidating their expensive November 16 tickets and "letting" people stay around ordering their $25 beers and overpriced food?
I think this is a fancy way of saying, "No refunds, and no getting in tomorrow for free!"
Just woke up and saw they were wrapping up free practice 2 at 4 AM PT. No fans were allowed in the stands because of the 4 hour long delay. They just shut the whole hospitality area down.
Anyone who gives a shit here is Peter Windsor giving a 12 minute breakdown of the shit show. He makes great F1 videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97MBuAU0plU
what a dumb "sport." imagine paying for this. i'd rather watch two mules fighting over a turnip.
I'd actually watch the mules. That sounds kinda fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
I thought the concept of an F1 race on the streets of the strip was a moderately cool concept, but not nearly worth the high price tag, or the massive disruption to the city for most of 2023.
Lots of things were miscalculated here:
1) Fan interest to the point of paying for super expensive tickets and (most of the way) ridiculously overpriced hotel rooms
2) The willingness of residents to put up with months of massive inconvenience just to enable this event, where the average Vegas resident will see zero benefit
3) The possible meaninglessness of the race if one racer has already been dominant all season
4) The relative lack of general F1 interest from the US population (compare this to the 2024 Vegas Super Bowl, which should be a huge deal)
Laughably, while Vegas was expected to be jammed with tourists, it's a ghost town. The event was sparsely attended so far, and everyone else stayed away this weekend, either choked by high hotel prices (only lowered near the end), and the perceived/real difficulty in getting around the strip.
Hotels are sitting at low occupancy, restaurants are empty, and the grandstands are somewhat empty as well.
And then there's the drain cover fail on top of it.
:fail
I was in Chicago this summer to pick up a kid from camp on the weekend of the F1 race. Big warnings about traffic and crowds. Not so much. No interest in going to race, btw.
Had a fail with hotel, but was able to rebook in a hilton within a block of the course (by the Bean) same night. It was kind of a dump, but hotels were not sold out. Saturday I ran down there and checked things out. Kind of cool.
Then the heavens opened up- we drove home as planned and heard the race was cancelled because of the rain. Either cancelled or cut short or something.
Expensive hotel rooms is an understatement. Even if I had hundreds of millions in the bank, what Wesley is doing is asinine 400K a night. I dont give a fuck who you are, I think even a Saudi Royal family member would have more sense then this potentially. Let a lone a guy who isnt a billionaire such as Wesley. https://www.pokernews.com/news/2023/...prix-44918.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI'd actually watch the mules. That sounds kinda fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
I thought the concept of an F1 race on the streets of the strip was a moderately cool concept, but not nearly worth the high price tag, or the massive disruption to the city for most of 2023.
Lots of things were miscalculated here:
1) Fan interest to the point of paying for super expensive tickets and (most of the way) ridiculously overpriced hotel rooms
2) The willingness of residents to put up with months of massive inconvenience just to enable this event, where the average Vegas resident will see zero benefit
3) The possible meaninglessness of the race if one racer has already been dominant all season
4) The relative lack of general F1 interest from the US population (compare this to the 2024 Vegas Super Bowl, which should be a huge deal)
Laughably, while Vegas was expected to be jammed with tourists, it's a ghost town. The event was sparsely attended so far, and everyone else stayed away this weekend, either choked by high hotel prices (only lowered near the end), and the perceived/real difficulty in getting around the strip.
Hotels are sitting at low occupancy, restaurants are empty, and the grandstands are somewhat empty as well.
And then there's the drain cover fail on top of it.
:fail
I've completely and totally missed the boat on F1.
I've never seen a moment of a race, any of you cucks watch it?
People I know and respect swear by it up and down but I've never cared at all about cars.
We had a couple of cookouts over the summer with assorted younger millenials and older Z’s. The subject of F1 would come up when the sports talk started. I was struck by how many young women love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Couples wake up like 4am on the weekend for European races and make a whole thing of it. It’s a subculture that I was completely unaware of.
No question it all circles back to the Netflix Drive to Survive. I saw much of it too and found it interesting but I never took the next step and watched a race myself. I waste too much time on sports as it is.
I may tune in to Vegas just for the Schadenfreude and conversation at holiday parties.
I remember the NASCAR craze in the 90’s (I think it was). Guys spending stupid money on collectibles. Adults bought large Matchbox cars, hats, leather jackets and all kinds of memorabilia. I was completely unable to fake enthusiasm when I went over someone’s house and saw these collections.
I'm sitting at home in LA as I type this.
I am still lightly considering jumping into the car tomorrow morning and seeing this stupid race, just for the novelty and because everything will be free for me except the car expenses.
Am I crazy?
My entire life people have insisted I go to Montreal for that F1. It’s supposed to be a tremendous take. The whole vibe is supposed to be really special. I have to commit just once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Montreal is a little classier than Vegas but I’d do it just for the “one time”. For the kid. For you, another experience. Another story.
Sounds like you’ll have the run of the place.
Verstappen looks like a disruptive mofo and we like that. Might poke around and see if he’s worthy.
Oddly, the Vegas fail might attract eyeballs. I personally wouldn’t think about F1 otherwise.
3rd level shit
theres a really good documentary out there waiting to be made re the bleeding edge of human discipline/performance and technology thats the core of f1 compared to the sloppy fuckup wing and a prayer soul of everything vegas.
LOL.
They have CSC Security/Event staff harassing people on public sidewalks.
I would purposely not move along if someone was yelling at me like this.
https://x.com/sfb45/status/1725794766485442889?s=20
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Originally Posted by AhoosierA
The guy who took this video is a PFA Radio listener. But yeah, dumb.
I took Benjamin to this tonight. I had free tickets, so why not.
One bad crash early, but the driver was ok.
That’s great. I expect a right proper trip report sometime soon from the both of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I woke up around the 38th lap with Verstappen in 5th place. Of course he ends up winning. As I watched the live odds it was clear this was to be expected.
If you aren’t wagering this would be pretty dull. In fact, I found it somewhat enjoyable and would watch another.
Driving back from Vegas on Sunday is a
:baddecision
unless you leave before 9:30am or after 8pm
Sometimes you can get around it by going through Searchlight. But that adds like 45 min to your drive.
We were hoping someone else would win, but when Max started gaining on them, it was just a matter of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarThat’s great. I expect a right proper trip report sometime soon from the both of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I woke up around the 38th lap with Verstappen in 5th place. Of course he ends up winning. As I watched the live odds it was clear this was to be expected.
If you aren’t wagering this would be pretty dull. In fact, I found it somewhat enjoyable and would watch another.
At the end, the only drama was who would get 2nd. 4th was way behind at that point.
Took Benjamin tonight to see the MSG Sphere -- well, the outside of it.
One pretty good place to view it is on floor 7, section 7A, of the Harrah's parking lot (the corner of the roof).
Cool to see fairly up close, but the thing was 100% advertisements tonight!
:wtf2
Most were companies sponsoring F1, so perhaps that's why. But if this thing is gonna run ads most of the time, that really subtracts from its charm.
Of the ads, there was one cool one (Alfa Romeo), where a bug was trying to "break through" the sphere, and then it shattered. Then it was followed up by a 3D rendering of a race car "in" the sphere. But most of the other commercials weren't that interesting.