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I don't understand Drag Story Hour.
Why?
How did drag queens and kids become connected?
Drag queens have existed for many decades, and they have always performed shows for adults. This is especially true because there's often strong sexual connotations to a lot of the acts. Nobody cared about drag shows up until they started involving the kids. It was just one of those things that you attend if you like it, and you don't attend if it doesn't appeal to you.
The whole story hour crap really does make it look more like indoctrination and less about acceptance.
i hate trannies too but quit acting like you give a shit about families, families are gay as hell
it's so funny on reddit, all the libs get a script and they repeat it all over reddit so it's funny, I made this meme and had satirical replies to any people questioning drag kids
some of my responses, these are all things I've see dumbass redditors say in response to normal, reasonable questions about why drag queens are dancing for kids
Without having had the benefit to know desertrunner when he was posting here I get the sense he'd have a few things to say about these pedos and groomers. The Nazis suck too though. The people protesting against this are losing any support from me by carrying the dumb SS flag and doing the salutes. I wouldn't want to stand with either of these groups. The poor cops look miserable.
You didn’t know about this ahead of time? What a terrible Christian woman you are.
There actually was a drag time story out near me recently. Apparently there were some protests but didn’t hear anything.
There is however a blacks only national Art centre event on may 5 if you’d like to attend.
I honestly believe in the next ten years you are going to see a major split in LGBTQplus community. It's just become way too diverse and as such it doesn't have a clear meaning anymore. I marched in the pride parade years ago to support some friends. It wasn't like the san fran one's but you certainly had a lot of variety there. And yes they did have the "pups" which honestly I think a lot of people in that community are not a big fan of, as it is fetishizing the whole thing. Sure there are some overly sexual gay people but many want nothing to do with that and just want to be accepted publicly as a couple.
I never really understood drag queen story hour. If people want to take their kids there so be it as long as it isn't harmful. I'm sure most drag queens are appropriate at these things but it wouldn't hurt if they spoke out and made it clear they didn't support those who were being sexual.
There's just no point to have it. Why have drag queens show up and read to kids? What is the lesson they're trying to get across? What are they bringing to the table that regular story hour doesn't, aside from indoctrination?
There is a fine line between acceptance and indoctrination. The truth is that drag shows didn't even need acceptance awareness, as they have been long accepted. They're a form of performance art, aimed at adults. That's how it should stay.
I'd argue if it's not harmful its fine. You cross quite a line when you start mandating public gatherings as needing "to have a point".
Also while we are talking about indoctrination there is nothing that comes close to religion. But even then I'd never think of making that illegal or banning such gatherings.
The entire problem with the gender ideology movement is that it seeks to present an uncommon psychological condition (gender dysphoria) as something very normal which affects a substantial percentage of the population.
It is the wrong lesson to teach to children that you might be the other gender, if you happen to have a few interests/traits more common of the opposite sex.
Rather than the message of, "You're not born as anything, it's up to you which gender you are", the message should be, "You're the gender you're born as, and you should only change that as an adult, in the rare situation where being your birth gender makes you extremely unhappy."
The whole thing is actually very regressive. Liberals fought for years so effeminate boys and tomboyish girls would be accepted and not judged. Now they want to erase all that and present a rigid set of rules as to what constitutes a boy and what constitutes a girl, and if you have any traits on the other side, then you should consider you're actually the other gender. It's madness.
The problem is that there's too many woke parents who encourage this sort of harmful thinking, rather than truly guiding their confused children.
Back in 1980s high school, nobody was out as gay. There were certain effeminate boys and masculine girls whom I suspected were gay, and indeed when I looked them up decades later on Facebook, I was correct about most of them. However, that's all they were -- gay. They did not transition, and all of them look quite happy being gay adults of their birth gender. I have to imagine a lot of these people would have ended up being pressured into a trans identity if they grew up today.
common gaslighting answers you'll get on reddit:
● drag isn't sexual
● kids don't see that it's a drag queen
● kids like costumes, Halloween, superheroes, so why not a man in a dress
● why do you take your kids to church and a man in a robe reads to them?
● kids love the bright colors
● kids need to learn to be inclusive
● drag has been around since the earth was hit by a proto planet and formed the moon(they found fossil records of drag queens reading to kids on the moon)
● you are a bigot
The fact that you guys are talking about indoctrination is laughable.
I'm not saying you're wrong...you're right that kids are being indoctrinated into the idea that we should be accepting of anything---with some of those people perhaps not even drawing a reasonable sexual boundary.
That being said, all religion has ever done for centuries is indoctrinated kids into bullshit that it could never prove to be true in the first place. Not only is religion a failure in critical thinking, but absolute conviction that something that you cannot prove to be true is, in fact, incontrovertibly true, is an outright rejection of critical thought as a concept.
So, what does religion do? Of course, I'm referring mainly to Christianity and Islam with the focus of Christianity being mostly on its Evangelical branch.
I'll tell you what they do, when they're not molesting kids anyway, THEY indoctrinate kids and have done so for Millenia. They use ostracizing and social pressure to force conformity to their vision of what the world should be, which is the same exact thing that the Far Left is increasingly doing, but guess what, religion gave them the goddamn playbook! They try to change who people naturally are. In this country, not only do they act in a fashion often opposed to the spirit of the Constitution, but certain churches actively reject the Constitution by being overtly political.
Every single time there is any move to social progress, what happens? Religion gets in the way.
It happened with gay marriage. If two people of the same sex want to get married, explain to me, in what possible Universe, that actually should have a personal impact on a religious person. Don't get me wrong, for Evangelicals, I understand why it does from their religious perspective, but again, stems from indoctrination into their bullshit religion and bullshit thought process.
Abortion, more of the same. The fetus is alive. Why? Because we claim our religion thinks so.
Why that should have to be relevant to anyone NOT of that religion, I have no idea.
Drag queen story hour is one of several examples of USA society's version of teenage rebellion. I think things will return to a balance eventually. The good news is that this teenager's parent, religion, is dying a quick death. It would certainly be nice if there was a way to speed up the process though.
For all of you guys' bitching, at the end of the day, USA's society is reflective of what Evangelical Christianity created. If you push, then those you are pushing will sometimes try to push back harder.
Me? I decreasingly have any strong preference for either side, but I certainly know who the instigators were.
Another thing we see being true is people on the Far Left having this opinion that something becomes true merely because a person declares it to be so.
Gee, I wonder where that idea comes from?
You'll actually find my views are not that different than yours. Although I'm more of a libertarian when it comes to social issues (hence why I feel parents should decide on drag queen story hour).
As parents I believe its important to raise a child that is consistent with social and cultural norms. And its a big boost to their mental health to do so.
-Raised my daughter with traditional female name
-Corrected her as toddler whenever she misgendered herself.
-First recreational activity dance lessons with mother
-Most play dates with other girls as opposed to boys.
-Has a lot of gendered appropriate toys (although not only, she did ask for hockey sticks this year)
For sports I'll probably sign her up for soccer.
Also it was also clear from evidence you don't diagnose a child with a personality disorder until they are closer to age 18. A similar thing should come to mind for gender identity except in the most extreme cases. Luckily I believe nearly all trans clients who I've worked with made a good decision in transitioning. But I did meet one client on puberty blockers about 17 years old who had dissociative identity disorder. Pretty sure all of us agreed that person should have never been put on those meds until they were stable. I've also been told by nurses that bottom surgery is a complete disaster and results in all sorts of long term health issues.
Hey, hey, birds of a feather!
I used to be a Liberal, but now I am a Libertarian. In addition to not wanting to be associated with Democrats, after some long pondering, I finally had to admit to myself that I have more conviction in a streamlined cost minimization model as opposed to the neo-Keynesian model I used to believe in. Of course, don't mistake that for laissez-faire economics, as I think there is a role for the Government to play in price control, depending on the essentialness of the industry.
That aside, it is my opinion that, 'Social and cultural norms,' are an outdated and tribalistic concept that should be considered immaterial to anything. The ultimate plague of society manifests by way of religion, but I have now seen that religion is not necessary for the disease to thrive. What is that plague? Expectation. The Far Left and religion share one important quality...which I can't quite determine whether or not that quality is central to their being, but that quality is setting an expectation for others followed by enforcing it. If we eliminate expectation and people just do whatever they are going to do (within the law) then we will co-exist both more peacefully and quietly.
Traditional female name---check. No reason to do otherwise.
Misgendering---I don't recall that ever happening. As recently as nine years ago, I wouldn't even have known, "Misgendering," is a word.
First Recreational Activity---Don't remember, though I do know she wanted to do youth cheerleading, but got sick of it.
Play dates---You would have to ask my ex-wife. To the extent that my kids go to other kids' houses unattended, it is done with my quiet opposition.
Toys---I taught her how to throw a football. She has a fucking rocket launcher attached to the left side of her body, also long and lean, what do you want me to do? She can play, or not play, whatever she wishes.
I usually like to argue using my own words, not someone else's moronic picture. If you're not capable of original thought, there's no need to be embarrassed, just say so and it will save us both time.
Again, opposition. I'm not sure what I said that didn't get through to you, but you act like the social right just handed homosexuals nationwide legal gay marriage and that getting it wasn't a decades-long affair. I think everything after that is just throwing Evangelicals a great big middle finger, which, quite honestly, is almost fine with me. I'm willing to accept almost anything if it means Evangelical Christians are miserable.
Here's how to stop the shit. Revoke their licenses:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...9mFmDm6dL-Kpy6
Yeah, the Government de facto sanctioning entities for freedom of speech/expression has ALWAYS worked.
Just let the market do what the market does. If it's made known that Hyatt condones and provides a place for this sort of thing, then I imagine that those opposed to such events could simply boycott Global Hyatt and make it known why they are doing so.
Don't get me wrong, if everything is as the petition claims, then I agree that it was an inappropriate performance for children under the age of 16. However, provided no actual crimes took place, I don't see it as being for the Government to sanction such behavior, either via direct, or indirect, means.
Of course, it is the quintessential Conservative M.O.; they're all about whatever freedom they say you're allowed to have.
Don’t want your kid to see a drag book thing, don’t take them.
Who cares about that silly shit.
Christians, mostly, but that's because they're largely idiots.
Proverbs 13:24, Hebrews 12:7, something else in Proverbs, Deuteronomy and I think other places.
"Spare the rod, spoil the child," which isn't a quote, but a colloquialism that stemmed from the verbatim Proverb verse.
The point being that Christians are mostly idiots. The educational attainment statistics support this thesis. Anyway, you can take something like this that happens only rarely and just ignore the behavior, or alternatively, you can take the route of broadcasting it as loudly as possible that this is going on and then attempt to use the rod, as DeSantis is doing.
Of course, like a petulant child, which the Far Left largely consists of, they just want the attention...so DeSantis is playing right into their hands. What's the blowback going to be? More of the same. The further reaches of both of the socio-political sides endlessly trolling each other for no real purpose and to no real useful end. If, however, the behavior were simply ignored...then the child would notice it isn't getting them anything and would stop doing it.
As ever, the Social Conservatives make something like this more of an issue than it really needs to be. Again, many of them are Evangelical Christians, thus, many of them are stupid, so you'll have that.
Repent of your sins, Mission.
https://youtu.be/3sIKUCrRFV8
Certain decisions have to be made by society, regarding what is appropriate for children.
For example, if the local elementary school decided to show hardcore pornography to the students, would you be cool with it if the parents had to sign a permission slip before the kids attended?
I'm sure almost all of you would say no.
Therefore, the "Just don't take your kids if you don't like it" argument doesn't really apply here. It would only apply if you're talking about adults. I don't care if a drag show plays in my city, as long as it's open to adults only.
Have you ever considered why there's no "construction worker story hour", "plumber story hour", or "electrical engineer story hour"? It's because these would be pointless. Men working in these professions have no need to gather together to read to little kids. This is left to people in educational or daycare type positions -- teachers, librarians, babysitters, etc.
Drag queens are choosing to read to kids because they're trying to hammer home to young children that gender means nothing and is very fluid. Woke parents take their kids to these things, because it makes them feel good about themselves.
While you can't really make this illegal if the drag queens are simply reading stories, you can state opposition to it, and question why it's being done in the first place.
Gender ideology should not be discussed with young children at all. When they get older, it should be taught that gender dysphoria is a form of mental illness, where a small percentage of people feel very uncomfortable with their birth gender, and thus change to the other one as adults if they still feel that way. It should also be taught that many kids and teens experience gender confusion, but that a high percentage of them grow out of it, and return to feeling perfectly happy with their birth gender. Finally, it should be taught to be respectful of those who did have to undergo gender transitions in order to feel at peace with themselves, and not to discriminate against them.
But that's not what the left wants. They want to teach that an 8-year-old boy who says he's a girl is definitely a girl. They want kids to learn that any deviation from gender norms probably means they're trans or at least "non-binary". Gender has become a choice rather than something you're born into. Being trans has quickly become something stylish and cool, rather than a last resort when you suffer from incurable gender dysphoria.
There is a huge difference between being respectful to adult trans people versus being okay with indoctrinating kids. I'm for the former but not the latter.
Here's another good question.
How many people over 40 are transitioning at this point, and saying, "Wow, I've always wanted to do this, and finally it's acceptable!"
Relatively few. You'll see it occasionally, but for the most part, gay and lesbian adults over 40 tend to be happy with their birth gender, even if they act effeminate or masculine compared to norms for their gender. If the huge uptick in trans identity is simply one of acceptance, then we should be seeing loads of older people finally declaring they're trans -- especially out gay and lesbian people. But we aren't. It is mostly a phenomenon with young, white people in middle-to-upper class settings in/near big cities.
It's clearly become a social contagion, which has seized upon a real condition (gender dysphoria) and normalized it as a choice.
This is not a good thing.
Precisely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7hxYBDcElc&t=67s
Lefties are projecting their mental illness onto children, it's disgusting.
>agnostic, politically mixed before some idiot calls me right wing
Right wingers haven't been acting like progressively more deranged lunatics for 10 years+
'Oh who cares just don't take your kid' It's in the schools and many teachers who get on hiding their subversive shit from parents
I have got to believe that showing them hardcore pornography would conflict with a great many other laws that are already on the books. That's a pretty key difference.
And, again, I'm not defending drag queen story hour. Especially not this one as it seems that sexual apparatus' were part of the performance, at least, if the Petition can be believed, but I don't know whether or not I believe the Petition. I'd like to see a video, tbh, before accepting the specific allegations in the Petition as true.
If it's something where the performer is literally just sitting there and reading a book, then take your kids or don't take them. I see no need to take one's kids to such a thing, but if people are going to be allowed to make their kids go to church, then they should be allowed to take their kids to watch a dude in a dress read a book.
Hey, you know one fun difference between the two concepts? At least the dude in the dress can be proven to exist.
Umm...I don't know what your Elementary school was doing, but we totally had a day wherein parents would stop in and talk about their jobs; they'd also read books in the process. Did you guys seriously not have that?
I don't think we disagree as to why it is being done. I agree with your positions as to what they're trying to accomplish.
I agree that gender ideology, and really anything sexual, shouldn't be discussed with young children at all. I'm not sure at what age you have those discussions and think it varies based on both the parents and children in question. Of course, it seems like it would be difficult to set an age and say, "NEVER before x age." Ten, maybe? Never before ten? I don't know.
Everything else from that second to last paragraph seems quite reasonable.
As far as the last part, they want something to be true simply because they say/believe that it's true. Religion is no different, in that regard. It seems a strangely common tendency for people to want the truth to be whatever they say it is.
Societal losers with no skin in the game (children)have the most hopeless views and support evil deviants.
Carefully choose your destiny. The time here is very very small.
Split is a devout Christian. I am not. But I'm sufficiently aware of this religion and the others enough to know that these things are very personal to them just as it is all the others. Making any generalizations about them is to do so without knowing all who claim to be what you're making judgements about. Nobody is that. There are even some good Catholics.
If you are fucked up enough to take your kid to drag time story hour, you’re going to fuck that kid up the other 17 years and 364 days you’re raising them. It’s absurd and I can’t imagine why anyone would do it, but the law grants you autonomy with your children if it isn’t criminal. I’d be for passing a law that outlaws it, but society is completely fucked and this is just reason 5000 why. Taking out your swastikas and romanticizing the Weimar period certainly isn’t the appropriate response. The proper response is that’s fucked up, and I’m glad I’m not a retard who would do that to my kid .
What's this? People suddenly don't like generalizing things?
The guy up in the sky that barks all of the orders who he cannot even prove exists is only personal to him because he either had that hammered into his head from a very young age, or is very gullible, one of the two. Did he find his way here because he was one of the guys taken by Mitchell?
Worry about your own destiny.
I agree with your first sentence, hence why organized religion has been so successful for Millenia. So many adults are gullible children seeking simple and absolute answers and are also incapable of critical thought.
That's not to say that I have a problem with your belief in God. I really don't give a fuck if you spend the rest of your life asking an entity who probably doesn't exist for things. That really makes no difference to me. What I do have a problem with, as I do with so many denominations of Christianity, is that you pass judgments and try to enforce a moral view on society that stems from something that you cannot even prove to be true in the first place.
Comparing hard core porn to a drag queen reading a kids book in a library really are not equivalent.
I wouldn’t take my kid but don’t care if you take yours. Just like I don’t care if you smoke weed even if it is illegal.