Landon Tice agrees to spend a year at Bally's/Paris for $100k

I hate having two Landon Tice threads here within days of one another, but here we are. Last week, Landon embarrassed himself by promoting -EV slots on his well-followed Twitter.

Now, Landon and European poker pro Patrick Leonard have an agreement in theory to do a $100k prop bet regarding Landon living at Bally's/Paris.

https://twitter.com/LandonTice/statu...66295634698241
https://twitter.com/LandonTice/statu...03097877041152
https://twitter.com/padspoker/status...61942412713985

Some questions came up. Could Landon use the pool, or would that be off-limits?

https://twitter.com/padspoker/status...66737034878976


Someone brought up the question of the cost of Bally's. Staying there 365 nights would possibly eat up more than half the $100k, and Landon is expected to pay for it!

https://twitter.com/padspoker/status...66600661323776
https://twitter.com/padspoker/status...69983816245248
https://twitter.com/LandonTice/statu...13399154376706


Patrick is dreaming if he thinks Bally's is going to cut him Landon much of a deal for this. That's not really how casinos work. This may ultimately kill the bet.

If the bet does happen, the terms will be something like:

- Landon cannot leave Bally's/Paris for a full year
- He can access everything on property, but has to be on one foot (??) while on the balcony
- He can't swim in the pool, but can go to it
- Other than the balcony/pool restrictions, he can do whatever he wants while there
- Landon must pay for his own stay


This isn't quite the same, but Mark Newhouse lived at the Commerce Casino hotel in the late 2000s. He had some kind of special deal with them to allow this for fairly cheap. However, of course he wasn't under any restriction from leaving.

The longest I've spent indoors in my life without setting foot outside occurred at a Caesars property in 2015. I stayed at Harrah's Rincon (San Diego area) for 5 straight days, and never once set foot outside the building. I was grinding video poker so I could get to Seven Stars, and also did radio one night, but I did not exit the building at any point. This wasn't intentional. I admit that it felt good to be outside again when this was over.

2008 article. I’m sure it’s $75-100k in todays dollars. Jayjami or Tellafriend might help here.

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In theory, a year of human life is priceless. In reality, it's worth $50,000.

That's the international standard most private and government-run health insurance plans worldwide use to determine whether to cover a new medical procedure.

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So this would be the least generous assessment of your time.

During Covid - Trump’s $600 UBI & basic state unemployment put you at $1000/wk. $52,000 to watch Netflix. Again, the least amount of money to prevent folks from rioting.

I only briefly skimmed so I gotta be missing something. Who on earth would do this for so little?

Living in a casino and sitting at a poker table for a year would be like living in suspended animation. Except for the loss of life.

What a lunatic. I wouldn't consider doing this for less than a million even if I were single and childless, all expenses paid.

For the few here with homes and lives, what would it take to get you to do this?

One surprising thing about Landon doing this is that it will put an end to his hangouts with Matt Berkey and his crew. Berkey seems to have almost adopted Landon as a son, and not only backs him, but also hired him as a coach for Solve for Why, hangs out with him, has Landon as a part of his YouTube show in the studio, etc. If Landon holes up in Bally's for a year, that's all done.

There's some moderate interest in Landon's story and poker career from the public, so why limit himself to this dumb gimmick for a full year? People will get bored of this really fast. It's not like people will be riveted to their screens to find out what Landon is doing on day 194 of the challenge.

I agree this sounds awful. It would be hard to get through a month of this. Forget a year. Now, it's true that he can grind online poker, talk on the phone, text, talk on Facetime, and even hire hookers to the room if he wants. It's not like being in jail. But still... this sounds very unpleasant for an unspectacular amount of money, especially when you subtract the hotel cost!

A year in prison would offer better companionship than a casino

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

- He can access everything on property, but has to be on one foot (??) while on the balcony
- He can't swim in the pool, but can go to it
- Other than the balcony/pool restrictions, he can do whatever he wants while there
- Landon must pay for his own stay

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Can he be on his balcony in a wheel-chair? Might have just blown his angle..

..guess it wont work well if the stipulation is he needs 1 foot on floor at all times.

Bally's is changing it's name to Horseshoe.

Was Horseshit taken?

Different name but still the shitty hotel you'd expect.


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Yea, I'm not sure how this promotes the casino. Lets go to the casino where this kid who loves grinding poker has been living a year! Geez what a sales-pitch.

I guess there is a poker room in Ballys off-season?

The podcast could move to his hotel room on certain days. Perhaps that lounge area on the edge of the casino floor? Getting permission to film that show is likely far easier than getting a room for a year.

BTW I once watched a few minutes of Solve4Why show ... and well that was it lol.

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Originally Posted by donkdowndonedied

Yea, I'm not sure how this promotes the casino. Lets go to the casino where this kid who loves grinding poker has been living a year! Geez what a sales-pitch.

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In my humble opinion I don't see Ballys (or any other major casino) agreeing to this, maybe even flat out not allowing it. Does not look good for a 'pro' poker player to not want to jump at the chance to live in a casino. Also imagine the vlogs, kid will be talking about how much he hates the place and all the things that annoy him about the property, even if the vlogs starts off putting the casino in good-light wont take but a few months before its just a highlight reel of every reason no body would want to do this(or stay at Ballys at all for any length of time), even for hundred of thousands of dollars in profit.

Also imagine if the kid gets hooked on slots or baccarat and totally degens out of boredom, or depression/mental disorders, or worse drugs or alcohol, overdose etc., The many possible negative outcomes outweigh the good marketing opportunities by far. Casino knows this, the would have already had a live-in sponsored pro vlog relationship if it was feasibly good for marketing and promotion.

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Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe

What a lunatic. I wouldn't consider doing this for less than a million even if I were single and childless, all expenses paid.

For the few here with homes and lives, what would it take to get you to do this?

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If it got to 500k + expenses covered outside of gambling money, I would think about it.

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/faq-...aximum-nights/

per the above line, there are some legal details to be taken care of...Tice can only stay 30 days as a hotel guest, then he will have to sign a lease most likely...most Nevada hotels a licensed as transient stay locations, and thus room tax can be charged...after 30 days, the occupant becomes a Nevada resident, and no hotel room tax can be charged him;

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/faq-...aximum-nights/

per the above line, there are some legal details to be taken care of...Tice can only stay 30 days as a hotel guest, then he will have to sign a lease most likely...most Nevada hotels a licensed as transient stay locations, and thus room tax can be charged...after 30 days, the occupant becomes a Nevada resident, and no hotel room tax can be charged him;

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Oh I forgot about that, but you're right.

Our own AHoosierA got fucked by this whole thing, in fact it was at Bally's.

I literally know nothing about this guy outside of this thread, but this dude seems insane and has no absolutely zero concept of money or something. What am I missing here?

100k? LOL, that seems absolutely ridiculously small for having to stay for a year without leaving.

IMO - fuck. that.

I can't even see a casino going for that deal.

I only glanced this thread so I don't know if this was covered, but is one of the stipulations that he has to play a certain amount of time? How long before mental health issues start setting in and he chunks off the money that he is still waiting to earn from the bet while staying there?

Is it 100K after taxes or no lol?

What expenses are paid?


Personally, id maybe start considering if it were all expenses paid, and it was close to or at least the $1 million range depending on the details. I have a wife and a kid but if it meant a nice chunk of money for them for me sacrificing a year of my time, id maybe consider it.

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I literally know nothing about this guy outside of this thread, but this dude seems insane and has no absolutely zero concept of money or something. What am I missing here?

100k? LOL, that seems absolutely ridiculously small for having to stay for a year without leaving.

IMO - fuck. that.

I can't even see a casino going for that deal.

I only glanced this thread so I don't know if this was covered, but is one of the stipulations that he has to play a certain amount of time? How long before mental health issues start setting in and he chunks off the money that he is still waiting to earn from the bet while staying there?

Is it 100K after taxes or no lol?

What expenses are paid?


Personally, id maybe start considering if it were all expenses paid, and it was close to or at least the $1 million range depending on the details. I have a wife and a kid but if it meant a nice chunk of money for them for me sacrificing a year of my time, id maybe consider it.

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He doesn't have to play at all.

He can do what he wants with the year at Bally's.

He just can't leave the Bally's/Paris property.

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/faq-...aximum-nights/

per the above line, there are some legal details to be taken care of...Tice can only stay 30 days as a hotel guest, then he will have to sign a lease most likely...most Nevada hotels a licensed as transient stay locations, and thus room tax can be charged...after 30 days, the occupant becomes a Nevada resident, and no hotel room tax can be charged him;

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Oh I forgot about that, but you're right.

Our own AHoosierA got fucked by this whole thing, in fact it was at Bally's.

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This was actually me back in December. I wrote a post on it here.

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...s-next-on-list

Im a sicko. I’ve done 2 90 day stints and multiple month plus stints. I was really sick at the time and didn’t know. Think I did 90 days at Cosmo once. Going to go back in my email and see if I can find the bill. The Borgata I definitely had the same room for close to 3 months back in the day. But I would leave the hotel often. I like Casino living though.

A big factor in extended stay is fresh air. Most casino hotel rooms don’t allow it. The Cosmo of course with the balconies a major exception. Ballys has those old balconies that you can open a few inches to get fresh air in the room. It was also constructed when square footage was the selling point so the rooms are large.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Oh I forgot about that, but you're right.

Our own AHoosierA got fucked by this whole thing, in fact it was at Bally's.

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This was actually me back in December. I wrote a post on it here.

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...s-next-on-list

Im a sicko. I’ve done 2 90 day stints and multiple month plus stints. I was really sick at the time and didn’t know. Think I did 90 days at Cosmo once. Going to go back in my email and see if I can find the bill. The Borgata I definitely had the same room for close to 3 months back in the day. But I would leave the hotel often. I like Casino living though.

A big factor in extended stay is fresh air. Most casino hotel rooms don’t allow it. The Cosmo of course with the balconies a major exception. Ballys has those old balconies that you can open a few inches to get fresh air in the room. It was also constructed when square footage was the selling point so the rooms are large.

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The most valuable asset this place has/had was the pseudomonas anonymity. It’s prolly not a word but I like the ring of it.

I think you outted yourself in the Chrissy thread and this has denied me the guaranteed hall of fame stories that I know you have in your hip pocket.

If you got on radio with Druff for a show it would be among the top ten ever broadcast. You are smart and might even tease out of Druff some of his stories too.

I weep over our loss

Kid better be popping vitamin D like Pez.

$100k seems low he could have gotten more. Kids these days are online all day every day, he should be able to do it.

I was trying to come up with a number for myself, I don't have kids or a wife.

I think I'd be seriously considering it around $250k net profit after all expenses/room costs/ & taxes (so i guess would be 650kish gross.)

I think id want at a minimum twice as much ($500k+) if I had kids/wife.

At the end of the day a guaranteed quarter milly dollars is still a lot of money for 1 year with no real work obligations. I think I would try to get some kind of remote-work job for the boring hours, customer service or graphic design, etc whatever, just something to think about besides poker and vlogging.



The obvious extrapolation here is how much $ would it take for you to stay in legit state prison for 1 year?

I really not sure about this one, harder to answer, but significantly more $ if at all.

Sorry JeffDime, I don't know why I said AHoosierA. He lives in Vegas. He doesn't need Bally's.

I just spaced. But yeah I knew it was you.

Any actuaries on board? How much is the human life per year?

If your job asked you to work remotely for 1 full year, bare minimum you would get 250k+ expenses.

One question: is he allowed escorts up to his room? Because if he doesn’t have a girlfriend, dating might be a bit problematic. A year with no prospect of sex would be a deal breaker for me!

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Any actuaries on board? How much is the human life per year?

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Seems to be about 7-10mm USD per US life.

Keeping it simple 8mm / 80 years = very roughly 100k per year. Obviously some years are better than others, on avg 23 should be a good year. maybe worth 1.5x or 2x the avg year.

sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_...#United_States

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/u...uman-life.html

Druff your pronunciation of Tice is brain dead. If you see the word ice, how do you say it? Like “eeees?”

Dice nuts.

I think one can stay at a hotel for a long time, they may make you check out and then check in every x number of days.
There is a post (on 2+2) about Brad Booth saying he lived at the Bellagio for 18 months, who knows if its true or not.

Supposedly Brad Booth did the below, this was in his "Brad Booth missing" thread.

- Bluffed Phil Ivey off Kings in a 4 bet pot with a $300k raise
- Lived in the Bellagio for 18 months
- Measures poker swings in Ferraris
- Was brutalised by UB superusers yet still came back afterwards
- Owned Ike Haxton deep in a WPT with 84o

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Originally Posted by DukeCaboom

I think one can stay at a hotel for a long time, they may make you check out and then check in every x number of days.
There is a post (on 2+2) about Brad Booth saying he lived at the Bellagio for 18 months, who knows if its true or not.

Supposedly Brad Booth did the below, this was in his "Brad Booth missing" thread.

- Bluffed Phil Ivey off Kings in a 4 bet pot with a $300k raise
- Lived in the Bellagio for 18 months
- Measures poker swings in Ferraris
- Was brutalised by UB superusers yet still came back afterwards
- Owned Ike Haxton deep in a WPT with 84o

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I've played with him several times. He's an arrogant asshole. No sympathy for him.