Rittenhouse trial

Right wing twitter is having a field day with this, and the left wing MSM is barely covering it at all. Would seem to imply that there is a very strong argument it is self defense (which anyone who saw the videos circulating already knew), and the prosecution doesn't really have a case at all, minus whatever charges there are for transporting the rifle in the first place.

Anyways, according to right wing twitter apparently there is FBI surveillance videos and extra bystander videos the leftist MSM has been suppressing presented at the trial (by the prosecution no less) showing that all the guys he shot (not just the pedo guy) were chasing him before he fired a single bullet.

When right wing twitter is using the prosecution's own evidence to argue for self defense, and the leftist MSM is mostly napping it out, you know there is some serious problems with the case

I actually wonder if the families of the rioters Rittenhouse killed have a case against the state, for not acting adequately to maintain a safe public space. (Similar to how family members of some of the guys killed in CHOP/CHAZ are suing the state for this).

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Originally Posted by Kalam

Right wing twitter is having a field day with this, and the left wing MSM is barely covering it at all. Would seem to imply that there is a very strong argument it is self defense (which anyone who saw the videos circulating already knew), and the prosecution doesn't really have a case at all, minus whatever charges there are for transporting the rifle in the first place.

Anyways, according to right wing twitter apparently there is FBI surveillance videos and extra bystander videos the leftist MSM has been suppressing presented at the trial (by the prosecution no less) showing that all the guys he shot (not just the pedo guy) were chasing him before he fired a single bullet.

When right wing twitter is using the prosecution's own evidence to argue for self defense, and the leftist MSM is mostly napping it out, you know there is some serious problems with the case

I actually wonder if the families of the rioters Rittenhouse killed have a case against the state, for not acting adequately to maintain a safe public space. (Similar to how family members of some of the guys killed in CHOP/CHAZ are suing the state for this).

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How is this even being tried? Because you're correct that anyone who has seen the video knows he fired in self defense. Its an injustice. Makes it seem like hes being charged because someone does not like his politics

The last guy he shot cracked him in the head with a skateboard. Another one kicked him while he had fallen and had a pistol on him in plain site.

Anyone who thinks this isn’t self defense is a blind retard.

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The last guy he shot cracked him in the head with a skateboard. Another one kicked him while he had fallen and had a pistol on him in plain site.

Anyone who thinks this isn’t self defense is a blind retard.

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isnt the bigger issue here the justice system itself that allowed it to even go this far? Seems this is a political trial

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Originally Posted by Kalam

Right wing twitter is having a field day with this, and the left wing MSM is barely covering it at all. Would seem to imply that there is a very strong argument it is self defense (which anyone who saw the videos circulating already knew), and the prosecution doesn't really have a case at all, minus whatever charges there are for transporting the rifle in the first place.

Anyways, according to right wing twitter apparently there is FBI surveillance videos and extra bystander videos the leftist MSM has been suppressing presented at the trial (by the prosecution no less) showing that all the guys he shot (not just the pedo guy) were chasing him before he fired a single bullet.

When right wing twitter is using the prosecution's own evidence to argue for self defense, and the leftist MSM is mostly napping it out, you know there is some serious problems with the case

I actually wonder if the families of the rioters Rittenhouse killed have a case against the state, for not acting adequately to maintain a safe public space. (Similar to how family members of some of the guys killed in CHOP/CHAZ are suing the state for this).

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This is likely an act of defiance by the DAs office. Somebody maybe including the DA never wanted this case to get to trial maybe they knew and figured the kid never should’ve been charged themselves but he was due to political pressure. When the DAs office is making the defenses case for them it’s kinda obvious what’s going on. I will say this im not sure of all the charges against him but the only one I can see sticking is potentially illegal possession of a firearm by a minor since he wasn’t 18 when he was playing armed security and nobody was supposedly with him as the adult chaperone as federal law is clear you can possess on your own a long gun at 18 which he wasn’t. I would skeet shoot as a teen and my dad still had to be present until I was 18 even when I’d already graduated HS.

Yeah I never understood the OMG RITTENHOUSE DA WHITESUPREMACIST EXECUTING PEACEFUL PROTESTERS narrative the left kept putting out.

Ths was a 17-year-old kid who was being chased and attacked by very hostile and violent people at a hostile and violent protest. It seemed absurd that he just showed up with the intention to murder people, but that's the narrative which the left pushed pretty hard.

Rittenhouse largely fell out of discussion once January 6 happened, because the left now had a much bigger (and easier to vilify) bogeyman.

I think he probably walks.

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Yeah I never understood the OMG RITTENHOUSE DA WHITESUPREMACIST EXECUTING PEACEFUL PROTESTERS narrative the left kept putting out.

Ths was a 17-year-old kid who was being chased and attacked by very hostile and violent people at a hostile and violent protest. It seemed absurd that he just showed up with the intention to murder people, but that's the narrative which the left pushed pretty hard.

Rittenhouse largely fell out of discussion once January 6 happened, because the left now had a much bigger (and easier to vilify) bogeyman.

I think he probably walks.

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The last guy he shot actually pulled a gun out before Rittenhouse shot him. Does anyone know if that's part of the trial?

Entire thing is absurd.

Well, there is the dynamic that left wing Twitter and the MSM and progressive Democrats will intimidate and harass the jurors, so there is a chance of a guilty verdict just as a matter of self preservation. Maybe the ADs strategy is to highlight there is no actual case so the left doesn’t go after the jurors.

One thing you can count on is a few leftists will go full BLM (Burn,Loot,Murder) when he is acquitted.

Perhaps we should reserve judgment until the evidence is presented at trial.

Good call Jay.....

They lost a juror that could have helped them get him acquitted....

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A juror was dismissed in Kyle Rittenhouse's homicide trial Thursday morning after he told a joke to a deputy earlier this week about the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

The incident occurred when a male juror being escorted to his car made a joke about the shooting, Judge Bruce Schroeder said.
"I'm going to summarize what I remember, what I was told," Schroeder said. "He was telling a joke ... he told the officer ... he made a reference about telling a joke about 'Why did it take seven shots to shoot Jacob Blake,' something to that effect."

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Perhaps we should reserve judgment until the evidence is presented at trial.

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Ummm yeah, we are actually discussing the evidence that was presented at trial. By the prosecution in fact. Overhead drone video of Rittemhouse being chased, unknown gunfire seconds before he shoots, more video of him being chased and assaulted, etc.

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Originally Posted by Jayjami

Perhaps we should reserve judgment until the evidence is presented at trial.

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So after the left media has painted him as a murderer for over a year we should now wait for the evidence?

:wtf

RITTENHOUSE IS GOD

Rittenhouse is an American hero. That he is being charged at all proves that the justice system is a farce.

The DA should leverage the criminal case with the civil rights case that is sure to be filed against those responsible for ever charging this kid with murder or anything which holds him more responsible than the dearly departed for what happened. Something like time served for the ancillary charges, a million five or so to release liability for those responsible for charging him and dismiss the most serious stuff. I'm not constitutional expert but there has to be some civil rights violation in there somewhere. Maybe its a good idea for the city to settle it all at the same time?

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Originally Posted by Kalam

Right wing twitter is having a field day with this, and the left wing MSM is barely covering it at all. Would seem to imply that there is a very strong argument it is self defense (which anyone who saw the videos circulating already knew), and the prosecution doesn't really have a case at all, minus whatever charges there are for transporting the rifle in the first place.

Anyways, according to right wing twitter apparently there is FBI surveillance videos and extra bystander videos the leftist MSM has been suppressing presented at the trial (by the prosecution no less) showing that all the guys he shot (not just the pedo guy) were chasing him before he fired a single bullet.

When right wing twitter is using the prosecution's own evidence to argue for self defense, and the leftist MSM is mostly napping it out, you know there is some serious problems with the case

I actually wonder if the families of the rioters Rittenhouse killed have a case against the state, for not acting adequately to maintain a safe public space. (Similar to how family members of some of the guys killed in CHOP/CHAZ are suing the state for this).

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How is this even being tried? Because you're correct that anyone who has seen the video knows he fired in self defense. Its an injustice. Makes it seem like hes being charged because someone does not like his politics

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Because as a matter of public policy law enforcement and local/state government want to discourage severely any use of firearms by citizens--read Massad Ayoob's writings on self-defense with firearms (In the Gravest Extreme or Deadly Force). Ayoob estimates you will spend $10,000 in legal fees for every bullet you shoot in self-defense even if you are 100% justified. It's all about control and monopolization of the use of force by police & government for the purpose of maintaining order for business, not about protecting or serving the public.

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Originally Posted by country978

How is this even being tried? Because you're correct that anyone who has seen the video knows he fired in self defense. Its an injustice. Makes it seem like hes being charged because someone does not like his politics

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Because as a matter of public policy law enforcement and local/state government want to discourage severely any use of firearms by citizens--read Massad Ayoob's writings on self-defense with firearms (In the Gravest Extreme or Deadly Force). Ayoob estimates you will spend $10,000 in legal fees for every bullet you shoot in self-defense even if you are 100% justified.

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what about the reasonable person standard? what reasonable person would say there is evidence of murder or any of the lesser charges associated with the killing after seeing the video? What other evidence should there need to be to show he acted in self defense? I'm sure there have been many instances where a person kills another person and sufficient evidence exists to prove the innocence of the person doing the killing and this leads to a dismissal of charges or no charges at all. He's not entirely innocent but charging him in the killing itself seems politically motivated in whats supposed to be a country free from such injustice.

He could not be on trial unless he was indicted by a grand jury. That doesn’t mean he will be convicted, as an indictment is easier to get than a conviction. Clearly there was enough evidence against him to at least get the indictment.

The system doesn’t work based on what you or I think is right, it works based on the law.

2 dead and 1 shot, of course the kid needs to be tried for something.

Will probably get the max on the weapons charge and not guilty on the rest.

Guy brought a skateboard to a gun fight….dipshit.

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Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger

Because as a matter of public policy law enforcement and local/state government want to discourage severely any use of firearms by citizens--read Massad Ayoob's writings on self-defense with firearms (In the Gravest Extreme or Deadly Force). Ayoob estimates you will spend $10,000 in legal fees for every bullet you shoot in self-defense even if you are 100% justified.

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what about the reasonable person standard? what reasonable person would say there is evidence of murder or any of the lesser charges associated with the killing after seeing the video? What other evidence should there need to be to show he acted in self defense? I'm sure there have been many instances where a person kills another person and sufficient evidence exists to prove the innocence of the person doing the killing and this leads to a dismissal of charges or no charges at all. He's not entirely innocent but charging him in the killing itself seems politically motivated in whats supposed to be a country free from such injustice.

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your objections are well founded---this should be an easy win for the defense imo...yet, local government fears loss of control so they will try this case even though they know they have poor chance of conviction; their goal is to discourage the public from using firearms by subjecting Rittenhouse to a drawn out, expensive trial; 130 years ago in the American frontier this is a matter that goes no farther than an inquest, no trial brought--it's just that social forces in the law have tilted against firearms and citizen on citizen violence.

I think you are still severely underestimating how much politics is playing a role in this.

In Chicago a couple weeks ago there was a shootout between rival gangs with multiple fatalities and noone was even charged. They didn't even charge the shooters with illegally having firearms, despite the fact Chicago has strict gun laws; never mind the fact multiple people actually died.

If the politics are different this doesn't go to trial at all IMO.

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Originally Posted by Kalam

I think you are still severely underestimating how much politics is playing a role in this.

In Chicago a couple weeks ago there was a shootout between rival gangs with multiple fatalities and noone was even charged. They didn't even charge the shooters with illegally having firearms, despite the fact Chicago has strict gun laws; never mind the fact multiple people actually died.

If the politics are different this doesn't go to trial at all IMO.

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black privilege

Brothers I saw the videos mentioned earlier in the thread with the kid being chased and potentially having a gun pulled on him. Personally not a fan of this going to trial but I am also not a fan of showing up to a violent protest armed. Can only lead to trouble. Pipes doesn’t protest one way or the other. Not a good thing to be involved with!

Funny how the media massages what happened, nowhere does cnn mention skateboard guy trying to bash the kid in the head…also states the guy with the gun just had his hands up while holding a pistol and had no real intent to shoot the kid

Huber appeared to reach for Rittenhouse's gun with his hand while holding his skateboard in the other, the criminal complaint said. As Huber tried to grab the gun, Rittenhouse pointed it at his body and fired one round, according to the complaint. Huber was seen staggering away and then fell to the ground, the complaint said. He died from his gunshot wound.
Huber was "completely indescribable" and stood by his beliefs and convictions, Gittings said last year.
"He was an incredibly intelligent person, literally the smartest person I've ever met," Gittings said. "He knew exactly what was at risk for him chasing down somebody with a weapon."

He put his hands in the air and then began to move toward Rittenhouse, who then fired one shot, hitting Grosskreutz in the arm, according to the complaint. Grosskreutz was holding a handgun but had his hands up, the complaint says.

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Funny how the media massages what happened, nowhere does cnn mention skateboard guy trying to bash the kid in the head…also states the guy with the gun just had his hands up while holding a pistol and had no real intent to shoot the kid

Huber appeared to reach for Rittenhouse's gun with his hand while holding his skateboard in the other, the criminal complaint said. As Huber tried to grab the gun, Rittenhouse pointed it at his body and fired one round, according to the complaint. Huber was seen staggering away and then fell to the ground, the complaint said. He died from his gunshot wound.
Huber was "completely indescribable" and stood by his beliefs and convictions, Gittings said last year.
"He was an incredibly intelligent person, literally the smartest person I've ever met," Gittings said. "He knew exactly what was at risk for him chasing down somebody with a weapon."

He put his hands in the air and then began to move toward Rittenhouse, who then fired one shot, hitting Grosskreutz in the arm, according to the complaint. Grosskreutz was holding a handgun but had his hands up, the complaint says.

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Brother the news is fake

https://youtu.be/tI6IUEMUTSU

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Originally Posted by Kalam

I think you are still severely underestimating how much politics is playing a role in this.

In Chicago a couple weeks ago there was a shootout between rival gangs with multiple fatalities and noone was even charged. They didn't even charge the shooters with illegally having firearms, despite the fact Chicago has strict gun laws; never mind the fact multiple people actually died.

If the politics are different this doesn't go to trial at all IMO.

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Can you link to this Chicago case? A quick, cursory Google using your descriptives comes up blank for me.

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Originally Posted by Kalam

I think you are still severely underestimating how much politics is playing a role in this.

In Chicago a couple weeks ago there was a shootout between rival gangs with multiple fatalities and noone was even charged. They didn't even charge the shooters with illegally having firearms, despite the fact Chicago has strict gun laws; never mind the fact multiple people actually died.

If the politics are different this doesn't go to trial at all IMO.

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Can you link to this Chicago case? A quick, cursory Google using your descriptives comes up blank for me.

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I believe that brother Kalam is referring to this story. Note: it really is disgusting and a tragedy what is going on in Chicago.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-m...s-war-of-words

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Originally Posted by Kuntmissioner

Can you link to this Chicago case? A quick, cursory Google using your descriptives comes up blank for me.

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I believe that brother Kalam is referring to this story. Note: it really is disgusting and a tragedy what is going on in Chicago.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-m...s-war-of-words

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what a horrible story! I've never been to Chicago and I'm pretty sure I never will. There is one mitigating factor; the person killed was firing into a house. He was killed when those inside the house fired back. He got what he deserved and the DA pretty much chalked it up to street justice. I'd just as soon go to Bridgeport.

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Originally Posted by Kalam

I think you are still severely underestimating how much politics is playing a role in this.

In Chicago a couple weeks ago there was a shootout between rival gangs with multiple fatalities and noone was even charged. They didn't even charge the shooters with illegally having firearms, despite the fact Chicago has strict gun laws; never mind the fact multiple people actually died.

If the politics are different this doesn't go to trial at all IMO.

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Can you link to this Chicago case? A quick, cursory Google using your descriptives comes up blank for me.

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There is your problem. The google algorithm is increasingly becoming woke and it is becoming harder and harder to search for any news story that doesn't fit the preferred narrative. I would suggest using duck duck go.

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Can you link to this Chicago case? A quick, cursory Google using your descriptives comes up blank for me.

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There is your problem. The google algorithm is increasingly becoming woke and it is becoming harder and harder to search for any news story that doesn't fit the preferred narrative. I would suggest using duck duck go.

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I found it immediately by googling "Chicago gang shootout" You must be doing something wrong

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There is your problem. The google algorithm is increasingly becoming woke and it is becoming harder and harder to search for any news story that doesn't fit the preferred narrative. I would suggest using duck duck go.

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I found it immediately by googling "Chicago gang shootout" You must be doing something wrong

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What he was doing wrong was not linking to what he was posting about. It's simple forum etiquette that I was trying to remedy. JoeD already took care of it.

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Can you link to this Chicago case? A quick, cursory Google using your descriptives comes up blank for me.

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There is your problem. The google algorithm is increasingly becoming woke and it is becoming harder and harder to search for any news story that doesn't fit the preferred narrative. I would suggest using duck duck goo.

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I would think only the old timers like Druff still used Google with their Facebook.

Tighten up your game Kunt

Fuck Google.

New footage / angle of the shooting of Joseph Rosenbaum, where he chases Kyle across the lot, throws the bag, and corners him between a few burned out cars, only to get blasted from about a foot away.

Kyle retreated until he couldn't retreat anymore.

Shit should be a wrap, this is an injustice.

The Kenosha Kid shouldn't have been out there, but he was, and has a right to defend himself. Had an angel watching over him that night.

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New footage / angle of the shooting of Joseph Rosenbaum, where he chases Kyle across the lot, throws the bag, and corners him between a few burned out cars, only to get blasted from about a foot away.

Kyle retreated until he couldn't retreat anymore.

Shit should be a wrap, this is an injustice.

The Kenosha Kid shouldn't have been out there, but he was, and has a right to defend himself. Had an angel watching over him that night.

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this guy should worry about his relatives that didn't OD on fentanyl and stop tampering with a jury.

imagine this idiot thinking anyone gives a fuck what he has to say.


KYLE RITTENHOUSE IS GOD

When do they expect this trial to be over? Wrap it up is he guilty or not?

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When do they expect this trial to be over? Wrap it up is he guilty or not?

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I think the prosecution is still going. I dont think the defense has even started yet.

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When do they expect this trial to be over? Wrap it up is he guilty or not?

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I think the prosecution is still going. I dont think the defense has even started yet.

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Prosecution wrapped today. Probably best for them, the more evidence and witnesses testimony they have presented, the more clear it has become self defense.

30 rounds in the mag, and he only spent 8 with amazing efficiency, on targets who were directly attacking him.

Violent people came to Kenosha for a spectacle and got what they wanted. After watching all the rioting and leftist violence for 6 months, I'm glad someone finally had the balls to play the "best defense is a good offense" game.

Zero apologies to the dead bipolar pedo wigger, the woman beating skater bro, and the revolutionary partially armed paramedic.

Good guys get a W, here.

This has been one of the biggest prosecution self-owns in high-profile case history.

What we learned this week is that violent Antifa is violent, and most of these people have skeletons in their closets and fucked up histories. Normal people don't show up at night to riot.

Shocking, I know.