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The anti vaxxers are gonna have a field day with this one. Fully vaccinated and still succumbs to covid. They will conveniently leave out that he has been suffering from multiple myeloma, a cancer of white blood cells in the bone marrow which affects the body’s ability to fight infections. Research has shown that the vaccine is far less effective in those with multiple myeloma.
Either way, RIP. And shout out to world star hip hop for breaking the story (to me).
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He was immunocompromised.. He had Multiple Myeloma he had been battling for awhile.. So he fits in the typical demographics of those who've died from Covid.. Over 65 and had a major comorbidity.. Anybody who doesn't know what MM is its cancer which affects the bone marrow.. Its especially notorious for affecting immunity in individuals thus making them more susceptible to infections both bacterial and..... VIRAL... He likely got the shots and they didn't really take well.. If he got Pfizer which is already known to wane in effectiveness.. Well.. He probably wasn't protected worth a damn.. He's the poster child for those who actually are at risk from dying from Covid..
He admitted his reputation suffered after he made “faulty” claims to the UN. Faulty claims?
Welcome to hell, buddy.
The left is getting pissed off today that right wing anti-vaxxers are citing Powell's death as an example of how the vaccine doesn't work.
The left then rightfully points out that he had multiple myeloma and was 84 years old, and his body likely wasn't able to mount an immune response which healthy/younger vaccinated people would.
Funny how logical the left can be about science when the facts are on their side, yet they constantly lie/mislead about the COVID danger to kids, and support mandatory masking & COVID vaccinations of young children when the science doesn't back it.
BUT THEM ERS WERE SO FULL OF KIDZ IN AUGUST THO
so if your kid died from covid you would be cool with it? I mean it's not killing that many kids as a percentageQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
If my kid died of anything at a young age I wouldn't be "cool with it".Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterso if your kid died from covid you would be cool with it? I mean it's not killing that many kids as a percentageQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
But that doesn't mean potentially harmful measures should be forced upon him, in order to reduce what is already a tiny chance of death.
Every day is a series of risk calcluations. When I chose to take my kid on a road trip in July to Colorado and Arizona, I was definitely increasing the chance that he would die in a car accident during those two weeks. However, the benefit of the trip versus the low chance he'd die in a car accident made the tradeoff worth it.
Similarly, I do not feel the need for oppressive masking and distancing rules (which have definite social costs to developing kids), nor do I feel the state should mandate vaccination for a disease which is handled very well by almost all kids, and where it appears they are rarely transmitting.
Why didn't you support mandatory masking during the 2018-19 flu season, which killed a similar number of kids per month as COVID has?
Knee-jerk idiots are casting the COVID danger of older adults onto kids, and it's not at all comparable. We wouldn't be talking about COVID if the general population was dying from it at the low rate kids are. It would be a non-issue, like the Swine Flu was.
99% of all COVID deaths in the US are people over 35 years old, even though people 35+ make up only a little more than half the population. Kids under 18 make up 0.06% of all COVID deaths, despite being about 23% of the population.
Mathematics doesn't seem to mean much to the SCIENCE left, though.
I agree with your math for younger adults + kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffIf my kid died of anything at a young age I wouldn't be "cool with it".Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
But that doesn't mean potentially harmful measures should be forced upon him, in order to reduce what is already a tiny chance of death.
Every day is a series of risk calcluations. When I chose to take my kid on a road trip in July to Colorado and Arizona, I was definitely increasing the chance that he would die in a car accident during those two weeks. However, the benefit of the trip versus the low chance he'd die in a car accident made the tradeoff worth it.
Similarly, I do not feel the need for oppressive masking and distancing rules (which have definite social costs to developing kids), nor do I feel the state should mandate vaccination for a disease which is handled very well by almost all kids, and where it appears they are rarely transmitting.
Why didn't you support mandatory masking during the 2018-19 flu season, which killed a similar number of kids per month as COVID has?
Knee-jerk idiots are casting the COVID danger of older adults onto kids, and it's not at all comparable. We wouldn't be talking about COVID if the general population was dying from it at the low rate kids are. It would be a non-issue, like the Swine Flu was.
99% of all COVID deaths in the US are people over 35 years old, even though people 35+ make up only a little more than half the population. Kids under 18 make up 0.06% of all COVID deaths, despite being about 23% of the population.
Mathematics doesn't seem to mean much to the SCIENCE left, though.
However the problem is if you let covid run wild from age 35 downwards, what do you think is going to happen when they visit grandparents or other family?
Or they get in close contact with their basketball coach or whatever.
If your answer is to vaccinate 35+ at a rate of 100% I'm slightly more interested but what do you do about the idiots who won't get vaccinated?
it's a flu faggot, where were you two years ago with your masks and mandates dweeb, if you're scared, stay home(which Canada is forcing you to do anyway, and if you're poor you're not allowed to travel without high fees for tests and quarantine hotels)Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogI agree with your math for younger adults + kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
However the problem is if you let covid run wild from age 35 downwards, what do you think is going to happen when they visit grandparents or other family?
Or they get in close contact with their basketball coach or whatever.
If your answer is to vaccinate 35+ at a rate of 100% I'm slightly more interested but what do you do about the idiots who won't get vaccinated?
I just got word from his sister. Here I was posting arguments one second and get a kick in the nuts the next second. Fuck. This is fucking terrible. He seemed to be doing ok last I saw him. Shocked and now starting to cry. A great guy he was. Fuck
People who choose not to vaccinate take the risk into their own hands. I don't think we should work policy around them. Everyone in the US over 12 can get a vaccine if they want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdogI agree with your math for younger adults + kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
However the problem is if you let covid run wild from age 35 downwards, what do you think is going to happen when they visit grandparents or other family?
Or they get in close contact with their basketball coach or whatever.
If your answer is to vaccinate 35+ at a rate of 100% I'm slightly more interested but what do you do about the idiots who won't get vaccinated?
It does not appear kids transmit COVID much. See other thread. There have not been any known student-transmitted school outbreaks in the first 2 months of the 21-22 school year. There have been a few where the teacher has infected the class, but not many because most teachers are vaccinated. The only pediatric outbreaks have been community-related, in areas with high general transmission, where kids likely got it from infected parents.
It appears kids can get COVID as easily as adults, but they don't transmit it much, and they rarely have worse than flu-like symptoms.
Sorry for your loss Jack Daniels. I know this has been a tough year for you. Thank you Sanlmar for not allowing his death to pass without mentioning that he died in shame for his role in the invasion of Iraq. Also, now Joe Biden walks through a restaurant with no mask even though one is required. If everyone would just stop pushing these masks on everyone else most of the conflict due to covid would be over. FFS even the democrat president flaunts the mask rule.
Can I add a little side note? How much of a pretentious douche do you have to be to have a fairly run of the mill name like Colin be pronounced differently than what is standard?
Colon??
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Originally Posted by country978
You mean flout.
Actually I support this fully, everyone should wear a mask when they are sick & stay the fuck home. but our work culture has this bullshit mentality engrained where people absolutely have to work even when they are sick. look at Asian countries during the flu season vs the US and you can see that masking up can stop a lot of this shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffIf my kid died of anything at a young age I wouldn't be "cool with it".Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
But that doesn't mean potentially harmful measures should be forced upon him, in order to reduce what is already a tiny chance of death.
Every day is a series of risk calcluations. When I chose to take my kid on a road trip in July to Colorado and Arizona, I was definitely increasing the chance that he would die in a car accident during those two weeks. However, the benefit of the trip versus the low chance he'd die in a car accident made the tradeoff worth it.
Similarly, I do not feel the need for oppressive masking and distancing rules (which have definite social costs to developing kids), nor do I feel the state should mandate vaccination for a disease which is handled very well by almost all kids, and where it appears they are rarely transmitting.
Why didn't you support mandatory masking during the 2018-19 flu season, which killed a similar number of kids per month as COVID has?
Knee-jerk idiots are casting the COVID danger of older adults onto kids, and it's not at all comparable. We wouldn't be talking about COVID if the general population was dying from it at the low rate kids are. It would be a non-issue, like the Swine Flu was.
99% of all COVID deaths in the US are people over 35 years old, even though people 35+ make up only a little more than half the population. Kids under 18 make up 0.06% of all COVID deaths, despite being about 23% of the population.
Mathematics doesn't seem to mean much to the SCIENCE left, though.
Also why are you referring to masking up as "harmful measures?" What is more harmful, masks or the flu? Masks or covid?
You say that covid hits kids at a lower rate than those older - fine, but with your method kids are still going to die but you find that acceptable over wearing masks? Why?
Also we wouldn't be talking about covid if a huge portion of right wing retards got their fucking vaccination. That's the real truth. If everyone got vaccinated this shit would be fucking eradicated. SCIENCE BITCH
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Originally Posted by nunbeaterActually I support this fully, everyone should wear a mask when they are sick & stay the fuck home. but our work culture has this bullshit mentality engrained where people absolutely have to work even when they are sick. look at Asian countries during the flu season vs the US and you can see that masking up can stop a lot of this shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Also why are you referring to masking up as "harmful measures?" What is more harmful, masks or the flu? Masks or covid?
You say that covid hits kids at a lower rate than those older - fine, but with your method kids are still going to die but you find that acceptable over wearing masks? Why?
Also we wouldn't be talking about covid if a huge portion of right wing retards got their fucking vaccination. That's the real truth. If everyone got vaccinated this shit would be fucking eradicated. SCIENCE BITCH
There are several countries with very high vaccination rates. None are anywhere near rid of COVID. This isn't an argument against vaccination. I got vaccinated myself, and I try to convince other right wingers to do so (especially ones over 45). However, it's false to state that their failure to vaccinate has caused COVID to remain.
Regarding your "what is more harmful" argument, that can apply to anything.
If we reduced speed limits to 30 mph, there would be a lot fewer auto deaths. If we outlawed backyard pools, there would be a lot fewer drowning deaths. If we disallowed legal sales of alcohol, we would have fewer drunk driving deaths.
Rather than asking what harm it causes, why not ask if it's necessary to mandate? Masks suck and almost nobody likes them. We shouldn't be mandated to wear them unless we are getting a real, tangible benefit from them. I am seeing zero tangible benefit to children wearing masks in school, yet a lot of potential harm from it.
I am asking what harm it causes because that was a central point in your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff:noQuote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
There are several countries with very high vaccination rates. None are anywhere near rid of COVID. This isn't an argument against vaccination. I got vaccinated myself, and I try to convince other right wingers to do so (especially ones over 45). However, it's false to state that their failure to vaccinate has caused COVID to remain.
Regarding your "what is more harmful" argument, that can apply to anything.
If we reduced speed limits to 30 mph, there would be a lot fewer auto deaths. If we outlawed backyard pools, there would be a lot fewer drowning deaths. If we disallowed legal sales of alcohol, we would have fewer drunk driving deaths.
Rather than asking what harm it causes, why not ask if it's necessary to mandate? Masks suck and almost nobody likes them. We shouldn't be mandated to wear them unless we are getting a real, tangible benefit from them. I am seeing zero tangible benefit to children wearing masks in school, yet a lot of potential harm from it.
Also reducing speed to 30 mph would not mean fewer auto deaths, backyard pools being outlawed would not mean fewer drowning deaths, and making alcohol illegal sure as fuck would not stop drunk driving deaths. They would actually increase.
Yes they would, yes they would, and yes they would.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterI am asking what harm it causes because that was a central point in your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Also reducing speed to 30 mph would not mean fewer auto deaths, backyard pools being outlawed would not mean fewer drowning deaths, and making alcohol illegal sure as fuck would not stop drunk driving deaths. They would actually increase.
making alcohol illegal literally increases drunk driving lol I love how you spout off these facts when they have literally been proven to be false and then you base your whole argument on that. Well the foundation is shit and your arguments lately have been shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffYes they would, yes they would, and yes they would.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
Since there hasn't been prohibition in 89 years, I don't know how you can make this argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeatermaking alcohol illegal literally increases drunk driving lol I love how you spout off these facts when they have literally been proven to be false and then you base your whole argument on that. Well the foundation is shit and your arguments lately have been shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You're also straying from the point. Just because a decision leads to less death doesn't mean it's good public policy. All rules, laws, and personal decisions contain a certain risk/benefit calculation, and sometimes the risk part includes a small chance of death. Designing policy around absolutely minimizing death at any cost is terrible public policy.
Regarding masks. I don't know how they can be effective. Isn't it true that you are breathing in toxins which are then trapped when you inhale into the mask with no were to circulate?
designing policy around minimizing death at any costs? which deaths? the ones that come from wearing a mask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffSince there hasn't been prohibition in 89 years, I don't know how you can make this argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
You're also straying from the point. Just because a decision leads to less death doesn't mean it's good public policy. All rules, laws, and personal decisions contain a certain risk/benefit calculation, and sometimes the risk part includes a small chance of death. Designing policy around absolutely minimizing death at any cost is terrible public policy.
or do you mean all the literal human sacrifices that we have made to covid while you fucking retards try to push your anti-vaxx propaganda?
I'm not pushing any anti-vaxx propaganda, so I don't know what you think you're arguing.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterdesigning policy around minimizing death at any costs? which deaths? the ones that come from wearing a mask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
or do you mean all the literal human sacrifices that we have made to covid while you fucking retards try to push your anti-vaxx propaganda?
There should be no mandatory policies of any kind which don't produce a tangilble positive result. "What will it hurt? It's just an inconvenience" isn't a good reason to mandate something.
This is especially true when it comes to kids, who don't seem to be deriving any benefit from masking and distancing, but are suffering socially.
The mask has turned into a combination of a security blanket and political statement. You can pat yourself on the back for supporting mandating their usage, even for kids, believing yourself to be scientific and responsible. In reality, you're just supporting idiotic new restrictions which don't seem to serve much of a purpose.
Notice I don't have the same attitude about vaccines. Why? Because we have very clear and tangible evidence that they work. If someone says the vaccines are useless, it takes about one minute to google hard data showing that they're very effective. No such stats exist for masking, even after 20 months -- just a handful of pseudo-scientific, poorly conceived, highly-biased "studies" put together by people with a clear ideological agenda.
No population in the world has ever masked its way out of bad COVID outcomes.
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Originally Posted by nunbeaterdesigning policy around minimizing death at any costs? which deaths? the ones that come from wearing a mask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
or do you mean all the literal human sacrifices that we have made to covid while you fucking retards try to push your anti-vaxx propaganda?
Lol at sacrifices. You sacrifice yourself by living poorly.