https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RvVT1cDiNc
I want this to be good, but it looks like it's going to be awful.
Also... how does card counting relate to poker?
Looks like the writers are confused.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RvVT1cDiNc
I want this to be good, but it looks like it's going to be awful.
Also... how does card counting relate to poker?
Looks like the writers are confused.
Unlikely that you can make a movie that realistically portrays the life of a full time counter and is also exciting to the mass market moviegoer. It's a grind.
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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
its extremely doable.
if any producers out there want a spec script, ping me.
looking at you in particular jamie gold.
I liked Schrader's early films Hardcore, American Gigolo and Light Sleeper. I liked him more when he shot on film. His old films had grime and grit. They felt part of a tough and unforgiving reality. The Card Counter looks a little too bright and clear visually. Like HD video.
Based on the romantic leads, dessetrunner will be first in line.
It’s truly strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
For some reason, I get this feeling that Ivey’s edge sorting story has some relevance.
Either some script about poker couldn’t get made, and they saw Ivey story and it was interesting, so they threw that angle in there and got it made by people who don’t realize how incoherent the idea is, or someone just read his story and wrote a script not grasping that it was a marriage of two disciplines that have nothing to do with each other.
I’m not saying it has anything to do with edge sorting as that makes for a boring movie, but just his story making headlines everywhere put a bad idea into someone’s head about trying to combine great poker player with advantage play and most people have heard of card counting, so we get this.
Movie looks like it has too much going on....card counting, poker, romance, some sort of revenge on willem Defoe who seems to have tortured people in the military....does the guy have OCD with those sheets....?
Hope it turns out good but the romance angle seems forced as they don’t have much chemistry and the females haircut is shit.
Yeah I heard he has all kinds of spare cash to commit to projects like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
its extremely doable.
if any producers out there want a spec script, ping me.
looking at you in particular jamie gold.
I saw the extended trailer. It’s hard to judge but I do believe the main character is shown playing BJ as a card counter then moves to Poker. I doubt they would make such a blatant mistake of combining a blackjack concept with poker. I hope I’m right. Seeing how the man named Scorsese is involved as EP I can’t see him allowing such a mistake to occur either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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Originally Posted by Walter SobchakYeah I heard he has all kinds of spare cash to commit to projects like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
coge but hes essentially a middle man at this point. like i dont know if things have changed radically since but last time he put feelers out for scripts he was flat buss and hosting like, riverboat poker rooms.
Just checked the trailer you posted the official one on YouTube look at it around :30 it shows a brief shot of him playing Blackjack and again 10-15 sec later. When Haddish asks him about him counting cards it’s when it shows blackjack so it does appear that the card counting is attributed proper in the trailer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
That’s also the last I heard of him. Wasn’t he the celebrity of a 1/2 game or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
coge but hes essentially a middle man at this point. like i dont know if things have changed radically since but last time he put feelers out for scripts he was flat buss and hosting like, riverboat poker rooms.
Druff any stories of going on card counting trips? Would you be staying at hotels? Or local joints so just drive from home? Ever work with anybody else?
He’s all in?
Isn’t that what Druff did, albeit he was counting cards for YEARS before someone convinced him to give poker a shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by ftpjesusI saw the extended trailer. It’s hard to judge but I do believe the main character is shown playing BJ as a card counter then moves to Poker. I doubt they would make such a blatant mistake of combining a blackjack concept with poker. I hope I’m right. Seeing how the man named Scorsese is involved as EP I can’t see him allowing such a mistake to occur either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The point he’s making is that there’s no way to count cards in most poker games. Though in stud you need to remember the cards that were face up before being folded.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyIsn’t that what Druff did, albeit he was counting cards for YEARS before someone convinced him to give poker a shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by ftpjesus
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Everyone hates this movie. It's criticized as being boring, slow, pointless, and basically terrible in every way.
Also I guess the gambling stuff sucks, too.
Can't say I'm surprised.
Intriguing. When did you watch it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I didn't. Every person in poker and gambling social media who has watched it says it sucks. And not just from the technical standpoint of the gambling. They just hate it in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1marley1Intriguing. When did you watch it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
From the trailer, the whole thing looks too busy to me. It's somehow a movie about blackjack card counting, poker, AND some kind of weird revenge plot? It looks like it's trying to be too many things at once, and does none of them well.
However, the reviews didn't even say that. In general the biggest complaint is that it's slow and boring.
I’ve replied to 2 of your idiotic posts this week and I still can’t red rep you… what’s broke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI didn't. Every person in poker and gambling social media who has watched it says it sucks. And not just from the technical standpoint of the gambling. They just hate it in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1marley1
From the trailer, the whole thing looks too busy to me. It's somehow a movie about blackjack card counting, poker, AND some kind of weird revenge plot? It looks like it's trying to be too many things at once, and does none of them well.
However, the reviews didn't even say that. In general the biggest complaint is that it's slow and boring.
Maybe you areQuote:
Originally Posted by 1marley1I’ve replied to 2 of your idiotic posts this week and I still can’t red rep you… what’s broke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I recently watched this movie and it is indeed bad. It's not bad in a Lucky You way (which I would argue is far more entertaining), it's bad in an overly artsy fartsy way. It's actually quite baffling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Won't do a full review but here are a few observations:
-It's called "The Card Counter" but the movie is way more about poker than blackjack. There's about 5 minutes at the beginning when the main character (Oscar Isaac) explains card counting and a few times he mentions that he was just playing blackjack but other than, most of the gambling in the movie is related to poker.
-Regarding the poker, they don't show any hands. It's just showing Oscar Isaac playing poker tournaments from afar. He keeps winding up at final tables with an Eastern European "poker celebrity" who has a pro-USA persona (his supporters follow him around and inexplicably yell "U-S-A" every time he wins a pot). It's very obnoxious and over-the-top. Joe Stapleton was the advisor for the poker segments in this film but I have to imagine all of his suggestions were disregarded and they made the actual poker play irrelevant. They also keep talking about Isaac's character trying to "qualify" for the World Series of Poker or something like that which, of course, doesn't make any sense unless he means earning $10,000 to enter the Main Event but he wins much more than that throughout the film.
-Tiffany Haddish plays Isaac's backer in poker tournaments and she's brutal in this film. Meanwhile, Isaac is a spectacular actor. It's like watching Jordan play one-on-one with a child.
-The characters have eccentricities and oddities for no apparent reason. Quirkiness for quirkiness sake which drives me nuts in these indie movies. For example, another main character is named "Cirk" (pronounced "Kirk") but with a "C". Also, Isaac's character stays in off-casino motel rooms where he carefully covers all of the furniture including lamps and chairs in linens. There's no explanation for this behaviour.
-There's a pivotal scene with Willem Dafoe that occurs off camera that's trying to make a point with its ambiguity but it's still very frustrating.
-The final shot of the film is so perplexing I can't even begin to understand it. It's like a two minute slow motion shot of two characters touching each others' index fingers. It must be an homage of some sort but I don't know the reference.
All in all, a bad flick. I don't recommend it. Do yourself a favour and rewatch "Mississippi Grind" or "California Split." Those are two superior road gambling movies.
Spoiler alert: Oscar Isaac dies early in this movie.
Oh shit, that was DUNE.
NM.
Oscar Isaac's best movie was probably Ex Machina from 2015.
He was great in it.
It was a small independent film which only had a small number of actors in the entire movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI8XBKb6DQk
He was also really good in “Inside Llewyn Davis” playing a struggling folk singer.
Might be one of the only movies that I liked Adam Driver.
Only non gamblers like this turd as far as I’ve seen.
All unanimous that Oscar is great and Tiffany stinks.
86% on Rotten Tomatoes?!
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_card_counter
Yet only 42% of the audience liked it.
Typical gap between critics and audience, where critics are impressed by artsy shit, and often that allows them to credit bad movies as good.
What’s shocking to me is it’s still not available via free streaming. Places Ive looked still $5.99 to watch it via rental or $19.99 to buy. Yeah no thanks… I’d be shocked if anybody was paying to watch this thing at all now.
Watched it last night, was a fucking train wreck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I am the market for films like this. I love much of Paul Schrader's stuff, including his previous one First Reformed that is similarly paced and themed. I love Oscar Issac, obv gambling stuff appeals to me.
Tiffany Haddish getting casted as the backer is truly confounding.
Avoid.
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Very dark movie, worth a watch and actually depicts the life of a poker player pro with authenticity.
Am a big Schrader and Oscar Issac fan, this one didn't land for me. All his usual beats are here too. No idea wtf Tiffany Haddish is in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO