Propaganda in our schools

Interesting essay by Paul Rossi, a teacher at Grace Church High School in Manhattan, a high-end private school: https://nypost.com/2021/04/13/nyc-te...l-race-theory/

Basically the school indoctrinates teachers with the controversial "critical race theory" (which essentially blames racism for all problems in the US), and teachers are in turn told to indoctrinate children. Dissent from these teachings is not allowed -- either by the students or the faculty. Anyone who disagrees is "coached" and "taught" to go along with the narrative, until they relent.

Before you say, "Well, it's a private school, they can do whatever they want", be aware that the same is occurring at many public schools across the nation.

They're not just teaching critical race theory -- they're requiring an unquestioning adherence to it. The same is being required at many corporations. That's the reason Trump made it illegal for companies receiving federal funding to require critical race theory courses, only to have Biden immediately roll that back (lol).

Diversity of thought is not allowed anymore. You are required to see the world exactly the way you're told, and you're an evil human being if you question it. In fact, those who publicly question it run the risk of being cancelled and unemployable going forward.

These are all hallmarks of fascism -- far moreso than a few hundred hicks and morons storming the Capitol building.

The mainstream news media now acts as a propaganda arm for one political party. Alternative news sources are censored and/or discredited via further propaganda. Books are being banned by the biggest booksellers. Spineless corporations, eager for the path of least resistance, have learned to repeat the extreme messaging by the media, or suffer intense financial consequences.


Sadly, many liberals who would have found this behavior abhorrent twenty years ago have gone silent.

"The narrative from the right is dangerous and misleading, so it must be silenced", some of them say.

"The truth is left-biased. The mainstream media is simply reporting truth that the right can't handle", others claim.

"It's the free market at work. If corporations take a particular political position or don't want to hire certain people because of things they've said, that's they're right", some will claim.

"It's not censorship if the state isn't doing it," say some liberals in denial.

History is filled with fascist regimes which rose to power in the exact same fashion, yet somehow this one is "different", and this time it's supposedly righteous to engage in media censorship and public punishment of dissenters.

Even on PFA, many approve of shit like this. Even others deny it's happening, or make excuses for why it's not that bad.

Any decent human who loves true freedom needs to stand up and speak out against this shit, or we haven't learned a thing.

Sometimes kinda glad that I don't have kids...

These lol 'issues' don't exist in my world, not a Parent so just noise to me actually =)

are American kids still indoctrinated with the pledge of allegiance every morning?

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Originally Posted by MrTickle

are American kids still indoctrinated with the pledge of allegiance every morning?

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No I think that has mostly been removed from the every morning happenings now, or in most States. i'm 42 now so going to school in America for me always started with the morning announcement's and pledge of allegiance (LOL ohh to be young again) but now they removed it. Which in some ways to me, is actually kind of un-American really. That is just how it was, and in American school systems when I grew up, the Pledge of Allegiance was just a normal. And when Fundamental normals and things begin getting changed, that's when im a little like, ohh o.k. maybe that is a little too far, or much....

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are American kids still indoctrinated with the pledge of allegiance every morning?

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That's not indoctrination. Most of them don't even understand what they're saying, and just see it as a required thing they have to do every morning. That's how I saw it growing up.

This is a full-on propaganda movement with required thought compliance.

As a longtime believer in free speech, it has been especially upsetting to hear/read the justifications for censorship of alternative viewpoints, and the societal-level punishments handed down for respectfully dissenting opinions.

It's also very eye opening regarding how other populations have been manipulated into believing that censorship and thought policing was acceptable in civilized society. Reading the history books (and even the current news about other countries), I always wondered how that came to be. Now I'm living it.

It's like everyone on the left is just discovering that misinformation is a side-effect of complete freedom of speech, yet aren't realizing that this side-effect is much less dangerous than censorship and ideological intolerance. The more speech is suppressed and the more the media is sympathetic to one side, the less freedom and democracy thrives. It's always been that way since the beginning of civilized society, and it's no different today.

Many arrogant minds on the left reason that they can do censorship "correctly", and therefore it's a positive. Ideological suppression is never a positive for society.

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are American kids still indoctrinated with the pledge of allegiance every morning?

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That's not indoctrination. Most of them don't even understand what they're saying, and just see it as a required thing they have to do every morning. That's how I saw it growing up.

This is a full-on propaganda movement with required thought compliance.

As a longtime believer in free speech, it has been especially upsetting to hear/read the justifications for censorship of alternative viewpoints, and the societal-level punishments handed down for respectfully dissenting opinions.

It's also very eye opening regarding how other populations have been manipulated into believing that censorship and thought policing was acceptable in civilized society. Reading the history books (and even the current news about other countries), I always wondered how that came to be. Now I'm living it.

It's like everyone on the left is just discovering that misinformation is a side-effect of complete freedom of speech, yet aren't realizing that this side-effect is much less dangerous than censorship and ideological intolerance. The more speech is suppressed and the more the media is sympathetic to one side, the less freedom and democracy thrives. It's always been that way since the beginning of civilized society, and it's no different today.

Many arrogant minds on the left reason that they can do censorship "correctly", and therefore it's a positive. Ideological suppression is never a positive for society.

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Couldnt help but think of this guy when I just read that lmao....

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Originally Posted by MrTickle

are American kids still indoctrinated with the pledge of allegiance every morning?

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No I think that has mostly been removed from the every morning happenings now, or in most States. i'm 42 now so going to school in America for me always started with the morning announcement's and pledge of allegiance (LOL ohh to be young again) but now they removed it. Which in some ways to me, is actually kind of un-American really. That is just how it was, and in American school systems when I grew up, the Pledge of Allegiance was just a normal. And when Fundamental normals and things begin getting changed, that's when im a little like, ohh o.k. maybe that is a little too far, or much....

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So you don’t have kids, have no idea, but yet speak as if you do on the matter.

My 2nd grader recites it every morning; even when doing virtual school.

Fortunately Ben has not been taught any of this propaganda... yet.

If he does, I will object to it, though I know many other parents who would, as well. I'm not the type who freaks out about what is taught in the schools, but I would definitely draw the line at any kind of thought policing regarding controversial race theory.

I'm fine with the teaching of the history of racism in this country, and a message that it's bad to treat someone differently because of their skin color. But that's where it needs to stop. None of this bullshit where any instance of black people doing worse is because of existing systemic racism.

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are American kids still indoctrinated with the pledge of allegiance every morning?

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That's not indoctrination. Most of them don't even understand what they're saying, and just see it as a required thing they have to do every morning. That's how I saw it growing up.

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Exactly. That's why it is such effective indoctrination.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

That's not indoctrination. Most of them don't even understand what they're saying, and just see it as a required thing they have to do every morning. That's how I saw it growing up.

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Exactly. That's why it is such effective indoctrination.

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:lol2

I agree this is nonsensical.

American partisanship is going to create an ending for the country similar to War of the Roses.

Did your son or daughter get fucked by their teacher?

If not, they were probably an ugly child.


Married biology teacher jailed after ‘filming sex’ with teen student

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...2d34e9d19e8de2

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...f9b8?width=650

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Fortunately Ben has not been taught any of this propaganda... yet.

If he does, I will object to it, though I know many other parents who would, as well. I'm not the type who freaks out about what is taught in the schools, but I would definitely draw the line at any kind of thought policing regarding controversial race theory.

I'm fine with the teaching of the history of racism in this country, and a message that it's bad to treat someone differently because of their skin color. But that's where it needs to stop. None of this bullshit where any instance of black people doing worse is because of existing systemic racism.

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I hope you stand firm on this issue and protect Ben from the BS. Sounds like it’s hard to avoid, but hope it’s possible.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Interesting essay by Paul Rossi, a teacher at Grace Church High School in Manhattan, a high-end private school: https://nypost.com/2021/04/13/nyc-te...l-race-theory/

Basically the school indoctrinates teachers with the controversial "critical race theory" (which essentially blames racism for all problems in the US), and teachers are in turn told to indoctrinate children. Dissent from these teachings is not allowed -- either by the students or the faculty. Anyone who disagrees is "coached" and "taught" to go along with the narrative, until they relent.

Before you say, "Well, it's a private school, they can do whatever they want", be aware that the same is occurring at many public schools across the nation.

They're not just teaching critical race theory -- they're requiring an unquestioning adherence to it. The same is being required at many corporations. That's the reason Trump made it illegal for companies receiving federal funding to require critical race theory courses, only to have Biden immediately roll that back (lol).

Diversity of thought is not allowed anymore. You are required to see the world exactly the way you're told, and you're an evil human being if you question it. In fact, those who publicly question it run the risk of being cancelled and unemployable going forward.

These are all hallmarks of fascism -- far moreso than a few hundred hicks and morons storming the Capitol building.

The mainstream news media now acts as a propaganda arm for one political party. Alternative news sources are censored and/or discredited via further propaganda. Books are being banned by the biggest booksellers. Spineless corporations, eager for the path of least resistance, have learned to repeat the extreme messaging by the media, or suffer intense financial consequences.


Sadly, many liberals who would have found this behavior abhorrent twenty years ago have gone silent.

"The narrative from the right is dangerous and misleading, so it must be silenced", some of them say.

"The truth is left-biased. The mainstream media is simply reporting truth that the right can't handle", others claim.

"It's the free market at work. If corporations take a particular political position or don't want to hire certain people because of things they've said, that's they're right", some will claim.

"It's not censorship if the state isn't doing it," say some liberals in denial.

History is filled with fascist regimes which rose to power in the exact same fashion, yet somehow this one is "different", and this time it's supposedly righteous to engage in media censorship and public punishment of dissenters.

Even on PFA, many approve of shit like this. Even others deny it's happening, or make excuses for why it's not that bad.

Any decent human who loves true freedom needs to stand up and speak out against this shit, or we haven't learned a thing.

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BCR at head of line in support of this shit. I hear it’s the daily pledge at the traitor site lolz.

Druff- I thought of this Megyn Kelly with Bill Maher interview on Race in Education that I watched a couple months back. You'll like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pabbzNjZ2s

lol republicans, no problem with idiots spouting off in schools about creationism and denying climate change, but one mention of calling out their white supremacy bullshit and all of the sudden they are up in arms

Indoctrination is inevitable. The question is, and will remain, whose doctrine?

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lol republicans, no problem with idiots spouting off in schools about creationism and denying climate change, but one mention of calling out their white supremacy bullshit and all of the sudden they are up in arms

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Druff is right, teaching trendy theories in school is wrong.

You're right as well; I grew in a system where sex education was abstinence only and optional, because Jesus.

Evolution was presented with a million caveats and a chaplain came into my science class to basically refute in, in total garb.

In Texas my kids get the joy of pledging allegiance to both the US and TX flags

Stupid as shit...how can I have allegiance to both...I tell them fuck that TX flag allegiance, it’s almost exactly the same as the US one.

Every time they start spouting it at a function I sit down....I am Colin Kaepernick light.

Here is the TX pledge in case you thought this state couldn’t be dumber...

Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible."

Yuck.

Hey Duff, what's your memory from early school years? Specially, what were you taught regarding the near annihilation of Native Americans and the true story of slavery, including innumerable murders committed by white “owners”

But you’re concerned are you?

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lol republicans, no problem with idiots spouting off in schools about creationism and denying climate change, but one mention of calling out their white supremacy bullshit and all of the sudden they are up in arms

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Druff is right, teaching trendy theories in school is wrong.

You're right as well; I grew in a system where sex education was abstinence only and optional, because Jesus.

Evolution was presented with a million caveats and a chaplain came into my science class to basically refute in, in total garb.

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I’m wondering why Druff isn’t up in arms complaining about this given how this is likely how those subjects are handled in countless red-state schools.

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Druff is right, teaching trendy theories in school is wrong.

You're right as well; I grew in a system where sex education was abstinence only and optional, because Jesus.

Evolution was presented with a million caveats and a chaplain came into my science class to basically refute in, in total garb.

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I’m wondering why Druff isn’t up in arms complaining about this given how this is likely how those subjects are handled in countless red-state schools.

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I don't know of any public schools in 2021 where evolution isn't taught. If there are any, they're few and far between. We don't have to worry about an epidemic breaking out of creationism suddenly being taught in the public schools.

If creationism is taught at religious private schools, clearly the parents signed up for that and wanted it.

However, critical race theory is indeed being taught in schools, and is both trendy and on the rise. This idea is no longer fringe. Many Democrats support teaching such theories in the classroom, believing that any teachings which supposedly "combat hate" and "fight racism" are appropraite for schools, even if they're teaching controversial political opinion as fact.

It's incredibly foolish to believe that, if left unchecked, this won't spread into a lot of public school systems in the US. Most of these schools are run by Democrats, so what's to stop it from happening?

DeSantis did the right thing. Rather than allowing some left-wing local administrators add this to curriculums in bluer areas of his state, he just outlawed the entire thing before it can even get started.

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I’m wondering why Druff isn’t up in arms complaining about this given how this is likely how those subjects are handled in countless red-state schools.

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I don't know of any public schools in 2021 where evolution isn't taught. If there are any, they're few and far between. We don't have to worry about an epidemic breaking out of creationism suddenly being taught in the public schools.

If creationism is taught at religious private schools, clearly the parents signed up for that and wanted it.

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First, you are entirely wrong that religious private schools should not be teaching creationism as part of their science curriculum. Because regardless of whether a K-12 school in the US is public or private, their science curriculum is supposed to be sactioned by the state education standards. And any state that still allows the teaching of creationism/intelligent design as a comparable scientific alternative to the theory of evolution is NOT supporting the teaching of science to his youth.

Second, there are still many K-12 schools in the US that are still teaching religious popcockery alongside evolution, as well as NOT teaching evolution at all, as this research paper published just last year documents.

Teaching evolution in U.S. public schools: a continuing challenge
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcen...52-020-00126-8

Here’s a result that shows the persistence of that misinformation being passed off as science in many US schools.

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Table 3 shows that fewer teachers report discussing creationism and intelligent design in high school biology classes, down from 23 to 14% (the 95% margin of error for each percentage, accounting for design effects, is under ± 3%).

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And here’s a chart summarizing more results.



That’s right, folks. About 13% of high schools in the US are AVOIDING teaching evolution in their mandatory-for-graduation biology classes, while another roughly 20% are either sending mixed messages about the scientific validity of evolution or flat out teach creationism along side it as science!

So, on again, Druff, you have used your personal anecdotal evidence to explain how something that is truly corrosive to a proper secondary education in the US supposedly “doesn’t happen” because you don’t want to call out the idiocy of the religious nutcases on the right who promote and support it.

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I don't know of any public schools in 2021 where evolution isn't taught. If there are any, they're few and far between. We don't have to worry about an epidemic breaking out of creationism suddenly being taught in the public schools.

If creationism is taught at religious private schools, clearly the parents signed up for that and wanted it.

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First, you are entirely wrong that religious private schools should not be teaching creationism as part of their science curriculum. Because regardless of whether a K-12 school in the US is public or private, their science curriculum is supposed to be sactioned by the state education standards. And any state that still allows the teaching of creationism/intelligent design as a comparable scientific alternative to the theory of evolution is NOT supporting the teaching of science to his youth.

Second, there are still many K-12 schools in the US that are still teaching religious popcockery alongside evolution, as well as NOT teaching evolution at all, as this research paper published just last year documents.

Teaching evolution in U.S. public schools: a continuing challenge
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcen...52-020-00126-8

Here’s a result that shows the persistence of that misinformation being passed off as science in many US schools.

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Table 3 shows that fewer teachers report discussing creationism and intelligent design in high school biology classes, down from 23 to 14% (the 95% margin of error for each percentage, accounting for design effects, is under ± 3%).

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And here’s a chart summarizing more results.



That’s right, folks. About 13% of high schools in the US are AVOIDING teaching evolution in their mandatory-for-graduation biology classes, while another roughly 20% are either sending mixed messages about the scientific validity of evolution or flat out teach creationism along side it as science!

So, on again, Druff, you have used your personal anecdotal evidence to explain how something that is truly corrosive to a proper secondary education in the US supposedly “doesn’t happen” because you don’t want to call out the idiocy of the religious nutcases on the right who promote and support it.

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your party wants to cut male kid's genitals off and pump girls with testosterone.

you don't get to call anyone nutcases

Mumbles knows more than GO* because he read a book! Take a look at this guy, SMH!

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These are all hallmarks of fascism -- far moreso than a few hundred hicks and morons storming the Capitol building.

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nigga what?