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What she's saying: Powell argues in her motion that "no reasonable person" would conclude that her accusations of Dominion's election-rigging scheme "were truly statements of fact."
LOL Trumptards. Thanks for the free cash betting on the golden calf after the election was over
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Originally Posted by BartHanson
I wish I could've raked in as much money on the election outcome as Bart, even if I didn't want Biden to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiQuote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
Am I too dense/obtuse to recognize this as humor or do you just respond negatively to all anti-Trump posts?
Her lawyers used the “Everyone knows Tucker Carlson is a bullshitter” defense. Typical for the rightwing these days when the legal shit hits the fan.
Sidney Powell was full of shit, but no less full of shit than the Democrats who claimed that the summer protests were "mostly peaceful" and that most of the violence involved police attacking innocent protesters.
This is your worst whataboutism ever, holy shit. She was a lawyer representing the President of The United States telling everyone there was overwhelming evidence that the machines were rigged. Tens of millions still believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Probably 100 million people believe the summer riots were peaceful protests which were brutalized by police.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishThis is your worst whataboutism ever, holy shit. She was a lawyer representing the President of The United States telling everyone there was overwhelming evidence that the machines were rigged. Tens of millions still believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It's not whataboutism at all.
You saw that I was always critical of Powell and thought the election fraud thing was nonsense. I still feel that way.
However, I laugh at arrogant Democrats who mock the fools who believed Powell, and yet they believe the summer protests were mostly peaceful.
Just really tired of the mocking of Republicans as gullible rubes, when we're seeing a tremendous number of arrogant Democrats who are incredibly gullible and believe everything CNN feeds them.
Sydney Powell was a lawyer filing lawsuits and outright lying in court filings across the country in the name of the President, trying to overturn the most important election our country conducts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
The comparison is ludicrous.
I provide no defense of Powell, and never liked her. I called all of this bullshit from day one, if you remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlySydney Powell was a lawyer filing lawsuits and outright lying in court filings across the country in the name of the President under the guise of a stolen election. Your comparison is ludicrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
However, the comparison is not ludicrous because we have most Democrats believing an absolutely absurd, dangerous narrative (that the summer protests were "mostly peaceful" and only not peaceful when agitated by police or right wingers). This is just as dumb as believing Powell that the election was stolen.
Both were claims which were completely devoid of reality and ran counter to all obvious evidence.
Both had mass numbers of people believing them -- and still believing them to this day.
How can you not see the similarity?
How can you not see the difference? Powell didn't believe the election was stolen. She lied in court filings over and over, to overturn a presidential election. That's kind of a major difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
One was made in state and federal court repeatedly, which is a pretty important point here. also, there's plenty of evidence in Boston alone that the police were the first ones that reacted violently to protestors, not the other way around. That didn;t happen in every city, but it was certainly commonplace across the country. In some places the rioters were the aggressors, but in many NE cities at the very least, it's pretty clear the police were the aggressors. Sydney has no comparative equal in her offenses.Quote:
Both were claims which were completely devoid of reality and ran counter to all obvious evidence.
bro, you are defending her right now, whether you want to call it that or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
How about we reframe things this way, to simplify and clarify why we're talking about Ms Powell.
All politicians lie at will, both parties, without regard for anything. We'll take that as a given.
This is about a lawyer representing the President of the United States, lying in court over and over at the behest of the president, so an election could be overturned and the will of the people and the law of the land were subverted, before judges that this same president appointed in many cases. Normally it's hard to prove someone lied in court, but this bitch was kind enough to straight out tell us so there's no debate on that point.
I don;t believe you can whatabout that one, but I'm sure you will try.
Yeah make believe election fraud but what about this other unrelated thing? Joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffProbably 100 million people believe the summer riots were peaceful protests which were brutalized by police.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
It's not whataboutism at all.
You saw that I was always critical of Powell and thought the election fraud thing was nonsense. I still feel that way.
However, I laugh at arrogant Democrats who mock the fools who believed Powell, and yet they believe the summer protests were mostly peaceful.
Just really tired of the mocking of Republicans as gullible rubes, when we're seeing a tremendous number of arrogant Democrats who are incredibly gullible and believe everything CNN feeds them.
It's 50/50 for him as far as I can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyspinI wish I could've raked in as much money on the election outcome as Bart, even if I didn't want Biden to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwai
Am I too dense/obtuse to recognize this as humor or do you just respond negatively to all anti-Trump posts?
She made these statements in court pleadings as statements of fact, and based on those statements of fact, requested legal relief. Now she is saying those were not statements of fact and nobody could believe that they were. She just basically disbarred herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Whether something is "mostly peaceful" is an opinion, not a statement of fact. It defames nobody, and was not being used in an attempt to steal a presidential election.
I think it's time to face the fact that a scary percentage of Americans of all political persuasions are gullible rubes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffProbably 100 million people believe the summer riots were peaceful protests which were brutalized by police.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
It's not whataboutism at all.
You saw that I was always critical of Powell and thought the election fraud thing was nonsense. I still feel that way.
However, I laugh at arrogant Democrats who mock the fools who believed Powell, and yet they believe the summer protests were mostly peaceful.
Just really tired of the mocking of Republicans as gullible rubes, when we're seeing a tremendous number of arrogant Democrats who are incredibly gullible and believe everything CNN feeds them.
The difference is you can't deliberately lie in court. You can say any kind of bullshit you want in the general public as long as you don't defame anyone, may not be a good idea but you can do it. In court there's a different standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI provide no defense of Powell, and never liked her. I called all of this bullshit from day one, if you remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crowe Diddly
However, the comparison is not ludicrous because we have most Democrats believing an absolutely absurd, dangerous narrative (that the summer protests were "mostly peaceful" and only not peaceful when agitated by police or right wingers). This is just as dumb as believing Powell that the election was stolen.
Both were claims which were completely devoid of reality and ran counter to all obvious evidence.
Both had mass numbers of people believing them -- and still believing them to this day.
How can you not see the similarity?
You're focusing on the content of the statements made by various people, but in this case the venue makes all the difference.
Why does everyone on the left keep trying to argue as if I'm comparing Powell's actions with the Democratic/media actions regarding the summer riots?
I'm not.
I'm commenting on the electorate on both sides. Not Powell herself, whom I think we can all agree is awful. You won't find one post from me on this forum where I stated otherwise.
Republicans who fell for Powell's BS were stupid and gullible.
Democrats who fell for the "mostly peaceful" and "it's only white supremacists being violent" narrative about the summer riots were also gullible.
So both parties had a large number of idiots in the past year, who fell for obvious lies told to them by their side.
However, there are several differences:
1) More Democrats believed the protests were "mostly peaceful" than Republicans believed that Trump really won the election.
2) Mainstream media sources were pushing the "mostly peaceful" crap, whereas only fringe elements were pushing the "Trump was cheated" narrative.
3) Today, most Republicans have a negative view of Powell and think she was full of shit -- even ones who initially believed her. Most Democrats still think the summer protests were mostly peaceful, and that the police were simply brutalizing innocent people trying to support black ilves.
I have no love for the idiot contingent in my own party. However, the amazing thing is seeing idiots on the Democratic side arrogantly posture that they're the smart ones who are above being manipulated.
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Originally Posted by Crowe DiddlyHow can you not see the difference? Powell didn't believe the election was stolen. She lied in court filings over and over, to overturn a presidential election. That's kind of a major difference.
One was made in state and federal court repeatedly, which is a pretty important point here. also, there's plenty of evidence in Boston alone that the police were the first ones that reacted violently to protestors, not the other way around. That didn;t happen in every city, but it was certainly commonplace across the country. In some places the rioters were the aggressors, but in many NE cities at the very least, it's pretty clear the police were the aggressors. Sydney has no comparative equal in her offenses.Quote:
Both were claims which were completely devoid of reality and ran counter to all obvious evidence.
bro, you are defending her right now, whether you want to call it that or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Not to mention most elected Republicans who said the election wasn’t rigged were censured by the Republican legislatures in their state. Still, the majority of the party believes it. Her statement, on its face, is an admission the party is almost fully radicalized and certainly devoid of logic or reason.
You know what's amazing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
What about Eric Greitens making a run at the Missouri senate?
The family loving Jesus guy who sexually abused and blackmailed his hairdresser with photographs, stole from a veteran's charity and resigned the governorship shortly after being ordered to reveal sources of his dark money?
What constitutes immorality on the right?
I realize I'm not an elected official or anyone famous, but I stated the entire time that it wasn't rigged. Many Republicans thought the same.
The reason the Republican politicians couldn't come out strongly and say this was that Trump wielded so much power at that point, that he would attack them, and they just didn't want the fallout from it. This was one of several things which really bothered me about Trump in his final months.
I talk to some other conservatives privately about politics (where there's no social media posturing), and we all basically agree that we hate the crazy wing of the party, and that the shenanigans from people like Powell just made the rest of us look bad.
However, it's also true that the media loves to exploit this and make it look like sensible Republicans are in the extreme minority, which simply isn't true.
It's also nothing new that both political parties have to deal with the fringe elements who embarrass them. To me, it's more relevant when those fringe elements start to heavily influence policy.
Trump and Biden are actually opposites in that way.
Trump came off as a narcissistic weirdo, yet his policy was mostly very mainstream GOP, with only minor deviations, and a few new ideas thrown in.
Biden comes off as tempered and normal (albeit senile), but his party is trying to remake America in a very radical way, and he's going along with a lot of it.
I don't understand your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeYou know what's amazing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
What about Eric Greitens making a run at the Missouri senate?
The family loving Jesus guy who sexually abused and blackmailed his hairdresser with photographs, stole from a veteran's charity and resigned the governorship shortly after being ordered to reveal sources of his dark money?
What constitutes immorality on the right?
You're talking about the Missouri senate. This person isn't influential at all on a national level, and even has very limited power on a state level. There are some really shitty people who get through in local type races. That's true for both parties, not just the GOP.
Obviously I don't want guys like that holding office in my party, but it doesn't really define the party as a whole.
You also stated time and time and time and time again that it was harmless and meaningless and that Trump would go away. And then January 6th happened and you said “I’m surprised; guess I was not right” (you’d never actually admit you were wrong).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
So there’s that.
So what's your point? I didn't predict Trump's actions correctly at the end of his term?
That has nothing to do with any of this.
You don't understand because Greitens has nothing to do with Dominion and Sidney Powell, just like people.reacting to antifa riots has nothing to do with it. Muhwhudda?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI don't understand your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
You're talking about the Missouri senate. This person isn't influential at all on a national level, and even has very limited power on a state level. There are some really shitty people who get through in local type races. That's true for both parties, not just the GOP.
Obviously I don't want guys like that holding office in my party, but it doesn't really define the party as a whole.
You REALLY struggle with deploying and detecting whatabouts and how dumb people who use them come off.
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That if you’re going to repeatedly tout over and over and over again how you were against Trump claiming the election was fraudulently rigged but fail to mention that you repeatedly said that his claims were meaningless and harmless when in fact they were objectively definitely not meaningless and harmless that it’s a bad look and undermines the credit you keep trying to take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
That’s all nothing more nothing less. And excuse the longest run on sentence ever.
Remains unfathomable why this lunatic ever gained traction.
Ok?
:lol2 LOL Team Druff
What about suing antifa and the liberal media tho?
big scary headline!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaibig scary headline!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
Druff, This really is the thing I don’t get about you. I’m going to assume that you are in favor of democracy even if you don’t agree with party in power (correct me if my assumption is wrong).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Whereas its patently obvious that a significant portion of the GOP would rather stay in power and have their policies in place at all costs regardless if they lost a democratically held election. But you continue to support the GOP because you agree with their policies. So which is more important, the policies or the democracy?
A good parallel would be if the GOP suddenly wanted to throw out all jews from the country. You would agree with them on almost all their policies, except the jewish exile, so would this be a disqualifying ideal for you to stop supporting the GOP? How is this any different from agreeing with all of the GOPs policies accept the support for upholding democratically held elections? And don’t kid yourself if you think that my premise is a flawed. Most of the entire GOP house was willing to throw out the results of the election.
As to your last sentence, it’s even worse on the state level. They are ostracizing anyone who doesn’t stand up and pledge allegiance to the cult and claim on the record there was election fraud. Not in Alabama. Basically places like Michigan and Pennsylvania. It’s full on radicalization.Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHansonDruff, This really is the thing I don’t get about you. I’m going to assume that you are in favor of democracy even if you don’t agree with party in power (correct me if my assumption is wrong).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Whereas its patently obvious that a significant portion of the GOP would rather stay in power and have their policies in place at all costs regardless if they lost a democratically held election. But you continue to support the GOP because you agree with their policies. So which is more important, the policies or the democracy?
A good parallel would be if the GOP suddenly wanted to throw out all jews from the country. You would agree with them on almost all their policies, except the jewish exile, so would this be a disqualifying ideal for you to stop supporting the GOP? How is this any different from agreeing with all of the GOPs policies accept the support for upholding democratically held elections? And don’t kid yourself if you think that my premise is a flawed. Most of the entire GOP house was willing to throw out the results of the election.
rofl get a grip old manQuote:
Originally Posted by BCRAs to your last sentence, it’s even worse on the state level. They are ostracizing anyone who doesn’t stand up and pledge allegiance to the cult and claim on the record there was election fraud. Not in Alabama. Basically places like Michigan and Pennsylvania. It’s full on radicalization.Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHanson
You’re a perfect candidate for authoritarian rule as strong white men have been telling you where to sit and eat your whole life. Most of us prefer democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwairofl get a grip old manQuote:
Originally Posted by BCR
Cool meme as always but what part is he wrong about?Quote:
Originally Posted by dwairofl get a grip old manQuote:
Originally Posted by BCR
Just assume Druff wishes America was still a prosperous 1950s sitcom (not I love lucy, there was a sneaky hispanic in that one) where the only thing black and white was the tv signal and you'll get most of whats going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BartHansonDruff, This really is the thing I don’t get about you. I’m going to assume that you are in favor of democracy even if you don’t agree with party in power (correct me if my assumption is wrong).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Actually, 1850s is probably Druff's jam as well.