Serial killer in Idyllwild, California?

Idyllwild is a small mountain community with a population around 4,000. It is fairly remote, with the closest nearby city being Hemet about 20-25 miles away. It's about 30 miles away from Casino Morongo, and about 50 miles from Palm Springs (though Palm Springs would be fairly close if impassable mountains weren't in the way).

Anyway, it appears the area either has a serial killer, multiple killers, or some people with really bad luck.

There are now 6 people unrelated missing from Idyllwild since March. Five of the six are women.

Jade Kemerer vanished around July 22, last being seen at the Bluebird Inn there.

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Venessa Vlasek disappeared in mid-May.

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Melissa Lane went to go hiking in Idyllwild on June 15 "without a destination", and then vanished without a trace.

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Lydia "Dia" Abrams is a 65-year-old who owns a large property in Idyllwild, and keeps many animals on the premises. She vanished on June 7, with her car and other personal belongings still at home.

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73-year-old Rosario Garcia is from nearby Hemet, and vanished in Pinyon Pines, which is 40 miles southeast of Hemet, and 26 miles from Idyllwild. Garcia's car was found empty on the highway on July 7.

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The lone missing male was also the one which dates the farthest back. Roy Prifogle was an Idyllwild local who went out on a hike on March 4. He was seen at a market at 6:30pm, about 5 hours after starting his hike, and then vanished into thin air. Given that Prifogle hasn't been heard from in 5 months, it's safe to assume he's dead.

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Now, there are various possible explanations here which don't involve serial killers. I googled all the names involved and came up with a few things.

Three of the missing people -- Jade Kemerer, Melissa Lane, and Venessa Vlasek all had fairly unstable ilves. Kemerer, in fact, has an arrest record.

Rosario Garcia is thought to suffer from some degree dementia or Alzheimer's.

Hiking accidents also occur all the time, and usually missing solo hikers are the result of an accident or health issue, rather than anything sinister. (Remember the sports handicapper who completely vanished at Mount Charleston, only to be found having died from falling off a cliff, after an extensive search?) That could explain the disappearances of Roy Prifogle and Melissa Lane.

The most suspicious disappearance of the bunch was that of Lydia "Dia" Abrams. Lydia was not going out to hike, her vehicle and belongings were still on her property, and she was a successful ranch owner. She is 65, but was not known to be suffering from any significant mental decline (which wouldn't be all that common at 65, anyway). She vanished into thin air. I'm guessing someone kidnapped and/or killed her. Whether this criminal is responsible for all or most of these other disappearances is a big question.

Someone I know in Idyllwild told me that this entire situation is highly unusual, and that they've never seen this many people vanish at once. If I had to guess, something pretty bad is going on there.

Here's an article about the missing people: https://idyllwildtowncrier.com/2020/...ssing-in-area/

wait wtf steve kerr and his maid got murdered

wait as im reading this more closely did we lose the pickle heiress NOT THE PICKLE HEIRESS PEOPLE

get it venessa vlasek get it

also that steve kerr and his maid joke was literally plat ur welcome idiots

lol @ removing my post Druff, shame

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Originally Posted by lol wow

also that steve kerr and his maid joke was literally plat ur welcome idiots

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Wow that really is Steve Kerr

So either Roy Prifogle is doing the killings, or Druff is bragging about his own crimes.
Druff with the classic "O I would never go hiking these days" to distract us from it.

on second look its autistic daniel craig how dare you murderer

btw honey boy on amazon prime is absolutely stunning and they now have kingdom on netflix ur welcome idiots

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So either Roy Prifogle is doing the killings, or Druff is bragging about his own crimes.
Druff with the classic "O I would never go hiking these days" to distract us from it.

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If it really is Roy, and he's living in the woods like a mountain man after faking his own disappearance, that would be pretty brilliant.

On a side note, it seems that when a lone female hiker sets out into the woods or mountains with "no set destination", it rarely ends well.

Also this story reminds me of the Malibu serial killer, who was murdering campers but for some reason the police and media treated the whole thing as ho-hum and felt the killings were not related.

Then they caught the guy, and yeah, he was a serial killer: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...area-campsites

Where was Brad Booth going camping again?

+250 it's Karen Nathan
+150 it's bottomset
-135 it's Mumbles

I would look for a EX/current military fella who washed out of SEAl/Ranger/recon training...and is mentally ill...
very rare to kill Male and female to where the bodies are not found.

W/M 25-30. ex military, a wash out. misfit...find the last couple years records of which military conducted exercises There...
Then look for washed out/discharged with OTH other Than Honorable situation....On the case baby...

Similar to meth timeline photos, starts with good looking, progresses to old, then killer finally turns to dudes.

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Similar to meth timeline photos, starts with good looking, progresses to old, then killer finally turns to dudes.

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Guy was 1st.
Thinking on this, might be a old local, that snatches em and hunts them in a remote spread...

The two young ones are alive.

Jade Kemerer and Venessa Vlasek were found safe.

I pretty much called it when I said that those two were unstable and might have just run away from their existing lives. That's what happened.

Kemerer is 30, has a 10-year-old son, and was moving back to Ohio. Her mom came out, flew the son back, and Jade promised to drive back, since she had to get her car to Ohio.

On July 28, she called her friend & lied that her car had broken down, then wouldn't answer her phone and pretended it broke. She was found staying with a friend in Anaheim.

Looks like her plan was to ditch her son with her mom and run off.

Don't have the details on the pickle lady but she also voluntarily vanished.

The other four haven't been located. My prediction is that Melissa Lane will be found alive (she was also unstable), but the other 3 aren't alive anymore.

I'm also now believing it wasn't a serial killer.

My guess is that Roy Prifogle had a hiking accident, Lydia Abrams was murdered by someone she knows, and Rosario Garcia wandered off due to dementia and died somewhere.

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The two young ones are alive.

Jade Kemerer and Venessa Vlasek were found safe.
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My guess is that Roy Prifogle had a hiking accident, Lydia Abrams was murdered by someone she knows, and Rosario Garcia wandered off due to dementia and died somewhere.

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Looks like I called another one correctly.

While the murder hasn't been solved, the most likely scenario was that Lydia was killed by her 71-year-old boyfriend, who convinced her to move her assets into a trust he managed. If she were to be gone for 5 years, the assets would go to him.

He convinced her to transfer the assets to the trust because she was having a dispute over her truck, which her late husband's kids were trying to get.

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/in...e-cb04937fe62f

Nobody has been arrested yet, though, and Lydia has not been found.

As always Druff is/was correct!!

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/l...2-89f9bfcf39f8

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A large group of neighbors and friends searched the entire ranch on Sunday – on foot, on horseback, and by vehicle – but they could not locate Abrams.

One of the neighbors ended up calling a Riverside Sheriff’s lieutenant on Sunday.

But by the time deputies finally arrived to search the ranch on Monday afternoon, Abram’s fiancé had left the property.

Harper told News 8 he drove his RV out of state, for business in New Mexico and Colorado, while deputies spent three days searching the Bonita Vista Ranch for the missing Abrams.

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Yeah, totally sounds like the actions of an innocent man -- leaving the state in an RV "for business" right after your fiancee goes missing.

Also, apparently the estate dispute involving her late husband involved their kids, as opposed to kids her husband brought into the marriage. The dispute had something to do with a prenuptual agreement signed in 1984, and her attempt to invalidate it. This led to her fiancee getting her to create that trust, and then 2 weeks later she vanishes and he drives out of state.

Not suspicious at all.

I don't think we will ever see the other 3 solved. It is possible that two of them were hiking accidents in remote areas.

Rosario Garcia was found on February 5.... dead.

She was found in Pinyon Pines, which is where her car was discovered abandoned last year.

Not much more is known at this time, but investigators are claiming no evidence was found of foul play. It is likely her dementia caused her to simply wander off, and she got lost and died.

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/lo...e-85c5af272138


This leaves three unaccounted for: Lydia Adams, Roy Prifogle, and Melissa Lane

As I mentioned in the post above, it looks like Adams' fiancee may have been involved in her disappearance.

New missing person in the area: Diana Perez Gonazlez, age 29

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She was reported missing by her boyfriend on December 11. It is not clear where she was last seen. She is/was pregnant, and also had a young child.

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New missing person in the area: Diana Perez Gonazlez, age 29

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She was reported missing by her boyfriend on December 11. It is not clear where she was last seen. She is/was pregnant, and also had a young child.

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Cases like this immediately sound suspicious given that boyfriends/husbands that kill their girlfriend/wife will sometimes claim they just “went missing” after sufficiently disposing of the body. Especially one who is pregnant and the boyfriend wanted out of the relationship. Shades of Scott Peterson and Chris Watts, perhaps?

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Rosario Garcia was found on February 5.... dead.

She was found in Pinyon Pines, which is where her car was discovered abandoned last year.

Not much more is known at this time, but investigators are claiming no evidence was found of foul play. It is likely her dementia caused her to simply wander off, and she got lost and died.

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/lo...e-85c5af272138


This leaves three unaccounted for: Lydia Adams, Roy Prifogle, and Melissa Lane

As I mentioned in the post above, it looks like Adams' fiancee may have been involved in her disappearance.

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The fact that one of the missing is a male makes me think it's not a serial killer. Unless he is the very rare disorganized type.

Looks like I hit 5 of the 6 of these. Idyllwild Police Dept, if you're hiring, take note. I'll work remotely.

Jade Kemerer
My prediction: Intentional disappearance, will be found alive
Actual result: Intentional disappearance, found alive

Venessa Vlasek:
My prediction: Intentional disappearance, will be found alive:
Actual result: Intentional disappearance, found alive

Rosario Garcia:
My prediction: Wandered off due to dementia, will be found dead
Actual result: Found dead, likely wandered off due to dementia and died in the elements

Roy Prifogle:
My prediction: Had fatal hiking accident, will either be found dead or never found
Actual result: 11 months not found, last seen hiking. Likely dead from hiking accident.

Lydia "Dia" Adams:
My prediction: Murdered by someone she knows, will either be found dead or never found
Actual result: Local TV station and police implying high chance she was murdered by fiancee, are investigating

Melissa Lane:
My prediction: Intentional disappearance, will be found alive
Actual result: Unknown. Not found alive for many months, likely dead.

Aside from Melissa Lane, looks like I got the rest correct.

Not sure what to say about the most recent one. Not enough info, except that, as Mumbles said, her boyfriend reporting her missing is suspicious.

I don't think there's a serial killer out there, though. Honestly the only one of the original six which looks like a possible random murder is Melissa Lane, and there's a decent chance she just had a hiking accident like Roy Prifogle.

BTW, when men over 45 disappear while hiking, almost 100% of the time it's either a hiking accident or a health condition which brings on a hiking accident (such as a heart attack which causes the guy to fall off a cliff or roll down a hill).

This is because hiking is a physical activity, and men 45-60 are far more prone to sudden heart attacks than women of that age.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

BTW, when men over 45 disappear while hiking, almost 100% of the time it's either a hiking accident or a health condition which brings on a hiking accident (such as a heart attack which causes the guy to fall off a cliff or roll down a hill).

This is because hiking is a physical activity, and men 45-60 are far more prone to sudden heart attacks than women of that age.

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Once when hiking on Camelback Mountain about 20+ years ago during the winter, I rendered aid to a middle-aged guy on the trail who had just suffered a heart attack. He was just below me on the trail a couple hundred feet from the summit, was struggling and had just collapsed. Fortunately someone next to him kept him from hitting the ground hard, and he was responsive but disoriented and breathing super hard.

It was about 40 degrees that day that high up on the trail and he hadn’t brought a jacket or swewtshirt, just a long sleeve shirt. I had brought a sweatshirt and had it on given the temp there, but I took it off and helped get it on him to keep him warm, and a few of us stayed with him until the fire rescue paramedics came about 20-30 minutes later. The heart-attack vitim recovered nicely, but my sweatshirt, which was a fave of mine, was a casualty of the affair, having gotten torn by the paramedics to administer aid.

A few months later, after his recover, the guy and his wife sent me a thank you note for helping out, as well as a pullover nylon/microknit sailing sweater with his yacht club’s name and logo on it. Unfortunately, since then, I’ve done a lot less hiking and it soon was way too small for my mumbling corpulance.

She was found near twenty nine palms!

Add her to the serial killer list?




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