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Amazingly, RATM's first performance was taped and found its way onto Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAN0H...ature=youtu.be
They apparently hadn't written lyrics to Killing In The Name yet. There are only 8 lines in that entire song.
Compare that crowd to this one, 19 years later. Jump to 2:05. I can't seem to embed the time code.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwpyGZ06b-s&t=2m5s
you got scooped b
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...bums-1996-2011
but def deserves it's own thread
If I had to choose one of the three worst bands in rock history, KoRn, Insane Clown Posse or Rage Against The Machine, it would be Rage Against The Machine.
Painfully awful sound, sophomoric lyrics and less instrumental skill than The Monkees.
Shamefully poor 'Happy Meal Generation' band.
love or hate ratm all you want, but this is an absolutely ignorant statementQuote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
their guitarist, drummer, and bass player are all really good at what they do
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Originally Posted by WillieMcFMLlove or hate ratm all you want, but this is an absolutely ignorant statementQuote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
their guitarist, drummer, and bass player are all really good at what they do
Regardless of whether you like them or not those are two horrific videos, both acoustically and visually speaking.......
Deserving it's own thread?..... yeah whatever, but the band reached a level of importance that could be described as average
I spoke the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFMLlove or hate ratm all you want, but this is an absolutely ignorant statementQuote:
Originally Posted by SixToedPete
their guitarist, drummer, and bass player are all really good at what they do
However, you're correct in that the Rage Against The Machine band members are really good at convincing idiots like you that they produce great rock music.
They don't.
you have to skip to the 6:00 minute mark
http://youtu.be/qPXzUKsasU0
If you want an excellent live performance look no further
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7yapr8Hxmw&feature=related
Are you kidding, Rage Against the Machine and Phish....we are talking c-listers or slightly above.....that's it
Actually DRK posted this like a year ago on Boris but whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
Good OP. Cool contrast of the two videos. The rest of the rubbish in this thread is just that.
Their debut album, Rage Against The Machine, not only kicks ass, but was groundbreaking.
Here is a track that hopefully can bring peace and common ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMHwFMQ2EI
I cleaned up the thread and gave the fight/debate its own thread.
Carry on.
Apparently it's been de-rubbished. Thanks, Todd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandwich
In late 1992, the charts were dominated by weak ass R&B like Boys II Men and TLC. Nevermind came out a year earlier, and basically killed the last of the hair bands. RAtM showed that they would be replaced by more than "alternative" rock.
I'm probably in the minority here, but I actually liked a lot of the hair bands, and was sad to see them smacked out of existence by Nirvana. (I will admit that there were some really terrible ones, though -- as often lampooned on Beavis and Butthead.)Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyBApparently it's been de-rubbished. Thanks, Todd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandwich
In late 1992, the charts were dominated by weak ass R&B like Boys II Men and TLC. Nevermind came out a year earlier, and basically killed the last of the hair bands. RAtM showed that they would be replaced by more than "alternative" rock.
Notice in the first video that Killing in the Name is done as an instrumental warmup. They must have written lyrics for it shortly before the album was recording. I learned recently that if you don't count the "yeah, come on"s and "motherfucker", there are only 7 different lines in that song. That album's liner notes list the lyrics for every song besides that one.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ragea...inthename.html
I do agree that those early '90s R&B bands were terrible.
I also hated how rap pretty much dominated the top 40 around 1990, to where rap was even incorporated to some degree into some non-rap songs.
The grunge revolution of 1991 pretty much killed that, too, and resulted in the rise of the weak R&B bands you're referring to.
I was never a fan of Nirvana or grunge, though I do admit that Kurt Cobain was very talented and single-handedly changed popular music in that era. There's no telling what he would have done if he hadn't killed himself.
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RATM has always been one of my favorite bands since they showed the ability to fuse funk and hard rock without making it sound corny as hell.
Sixtoedpete that quote above ranks as one of the dumbest things i've ever read in 2012. I dont frequent these forums that often, but I looked at some of your previous posts and it quickly becomes apparent that you are simply a dimwit at best. Just admit you dont like RATM because their message is anti-corporate and leftist in nature. Your obviously a right-wing nut racist/facist scum of the earth faggot who lives in an alternative dimension.
ALSO CAN I GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO BAD BRAINS/ SICK BAND I JUST DISCOVERED IM ONLY 19 SO GIMME A BREAK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa-U1LTcrwg&feature=related
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I picked a random week in the middle of 1990.
http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-...ate=1990-07-10
1) New Kids on the Block
2) Roxette
3) Some guy featuring Bobby Brown
4) Bell Biv Devoe
5) En Vogue
6) Phil Collins
7) Taylor Dayne
8) Billy Idol
9) Wilson Phillips
10) Johnny Gill
That was also the year that MC Hammer was big. So there was technically some hip hop on the charts. But I would say that the first real, modern rap album to really hit the top 40 charts was The Chronic in late 1992.
It's interesting that all 5 members of New Edition were on that week's chart.
I'm impressed that any 19 year old listens to Bad Brains. They were so amazing and unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
The Beastie Boys took that name so they would be BB, like Bad Brains.
Here's a serious question: Since when did good music become a fact, and not a matter of opinion?
Who the fuck is anyone to tell anyone what is "good" and what's not?
Not referring to the OP or anything, just a general question I have from the comments in this thread
Music is of course subjective. Logical comparisons can be done based on the perceived talent of the artist and their impact on music in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
Then there are issues of genre. You could point me towards the most talented, most influential country music star ever, and I wouldn't really like any of their songs. Similarly, I respect Jazz as a genre, but I never actually listen to Jazz music.
Talent can always be recognized as talent. I don't like Rap, but common sense tells me that Ice Cube is better than Little Wayne. I don't like Country, but could tell you with near certainty that Garth Brooks is better than Billy Ray Cyrus.Quote:
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Originally Posted by DirtyBMusic is of course subjective. Logical comparisons can be done based on the perceived talent of the artist and their impact on music in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
Then there are issues of genre. You could point me towards the most talented, most influential country music star ever, and I wouldn't really like any of their songs. Similarly, I respect Jazz as a genre, but I never actually listen to Jazz music.
I obviously know the answer to my own question. It was more of an open question to STP "speaking the truth" without directly questioning HIM.
These new rules have me all conscious of how I debate on here, and I stopped smoking weed three days ago, so I am on a rampage...
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Originally Posted by Anal_HershiserTalent can always be recognized as talent. I don't like Rap, but common sense tells me that Ice Cube is better than Little Wayne. I don't like Country, but could tell you with near certainty that Garth Brooks is better than Billy Ray Cyrus.Quote:
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But again, isn't that just an opinion? I bet I could find millions of people who would disagree with you. I don't think it would make either of you correct. Some people can rap with deep meaning and crazy rhyme schemes, and some people are just rapping simple words together, but I don't know how you judge who is "more talented"
Some people just like the sound of a certain voice, or a certain beat. Wouldn't that be included in talent?
Don't worry. As you mature your music tastes and appreciation will also mature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
That doesn't surprise me at all. RATM band members have made millions of dollars from millions of naive young fans.Quote:
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I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but I'm encouraged that you're a teenager who actually reads.Quote:
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How quickly? Did you time this cognitive exercise?Quote:
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Sorry but you're wrong. Some of Bruce Springsteen's music conveys an anti-establishment message but I believe he is very talented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
I just don't think RATM is a good band.
I will admit that their socialist, anti-capitalist and spit-on-America message is laughably absurd and hypocritical. RATM is a multi-million dollar enterprise that partners with some of the largest corporations in the music industry. RATM is corporate America! Eventually you will grasp this.
Naive teenagers like you keep buying RATM/Che T-shirts, concert tickets and music while the RATM band members laugh at you as they sip champagne poolside.
My my....and Druff just cleaned up this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krypt
Don't become so upset. In my earlier posts I was just being honest and truthful about an overrated band.
Not IMO. There are plenty of acts you or I have probably never heard of in the Rock and Roll HOF.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicideQuote:
Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
But again, isn't that just an opinion? I bet I could find millions of people who would disagree with you. I don't think it would make either of you correct. Some people can rap with deep meaning and crazy rhyme schemes, and some people are just rapping simple words together, but I don't know how you judge who is "more talented"
Some people just like the sound of a certain voice, or a certain beat. Wouldn't that be included in talent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Fame_inductees
We've all heard of someone like Nickelback(lol) or Sum 41(bigger lol), but I don't think you'll be seeing them there any time soon because it is generally accepted that they lack the talent to be there. Popular? Yes. Talented? No. There will always be debates, but from my perspective, talent is always recognizable.
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Originally Posted by Anal_HershiserNot IMO. There are plenty of acts you or I have probably never heard of in the Rock and Roll HOF.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Fame_inductees
We've all heard of someone like Nickelback(lol) or Sum 41(bigger lol), but I don't think you'll be seeing them there any time soon because it is generally accepted that they lack the talent to be there. Popular? Yes. Talented? No. There will always be debates, but from my perspective, talent is always recognizable.
Alright, I can see what you're saying there. I didn't even think to separate the meaning of popular and talented. I'd imagine the HOF is a good starting point for a measuring stick of who's talented.
Starting point would probably be a good way to put it as there are always gonna be deserving musicians left out and overrated artists let in, but I think they do a pretty good job.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Anal_Hershiser
Alright, I can see what you're saying there. I didn't even think to separate the meaning of popular and talented. I'd imagine the HOF is a good starting point for a measuring stick of who's talented.