ChicagoJoey makes a video accusing ACR players multi-accounting/bots/collusion

You see it all the time on Facebook and other poker forums. Fish making claims that "online poker is rigged." Rarely ever does a big name professional poker player, especially one that makes what I assume is most of their income on Online Poker.

ChicagoJoey aka Joey Ingram calls out several individual accounts that he believes are all being ran by 1 person. That 1 person will sit multiple accounts all at the same cash table, and play against unsuspecting players.

Here is the video:

https://youtu.be/yHP2F9auRco

If it weren't for the fact that I know Joey is a relatively intelligent guy with a reputation of being king of the softball / letting people get off easy, this video would make me respect him only a little bit more than thespartan.

But he deserves better than that.

I wish he'd provide some more proof, math, or anything really.

Something isn't right with the WPN network.

They have always shrugged off collusion reports like no big deal. I've reported plenty back in the day and read numerous people reporting the same peoplem, yet they make excuses or dodge the subject.

I'm not sure if they have ever closed any accounts for collusion in the past. If they have they certainly haven't refunded people properly because I never got a dime, nor do I know people who have while on Bovada/Ignition I've received refunds on several occasions.

This is the only bigger network that I know of that don't provide mucked hands at showdown in the hand history. For online integrity purposes this is something that should always be done and why all the other sites do this.

A lot of people claim bots and others suspect internal house accounts are going on with this network to not want to show hole cards at showdown. It would make sense if they do have internal cheating go on because less collusion reports can be provided. Players can still put together educated conclusions based on what certain players are doing in games but providing actual hands isn't easy to do as we don't get to see them at showdown that often.

You could argue that WPN is taking so much of a hit with these million dollar guarantee tournaments while giving away a bunch of tickets and providing the best rakeback/perks in the industry that it's hard to understand why they can continue to do this?

The network has made claims it's expenses they are willing to take on to grow the network but come on seriously how much can you really give away? If their was some internal cheating going on to offset all of what they are giving away then it would make sense that they can afford to do so.

So many questions about things that the network continues to dodge or give terrible responses for.

A rep over on 2+2 his first reply in a thread about plo bots wasn't to defend the site as much as target a guy who has stated numerous times he don't play anymore on there. Here is what the reps response is:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...takes-1695993/

That is the thread and the actual post is #57 : https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...9&postcount=57

People ripped on him hard for that as they should because it's irrelevant and somewhat dodging the topic with a generic response.

WPN still pays for a sponsored thread and Mason will continue to take their money I'm sure unless shit really hits the fan.

Good on Joey for calling them out and hopefully it will lead to more investigating because as I said their entire business model if doing things 100% honestly doesn't add up to being profitable yet they've been able to continue with the same strategy for years now.

Was kind of a pain to dig through the thread an find WinningTDs response so here it is,

Seems to be the only response WinningTD has made in thread.

Quite a lot of accusations were made, very little if any evidence was provided. We give a great deal of trust to the accusations because Joey is a respected member of the community. I think however if your going to make accusations of "superuser" and name accounts that are colluding/same person, you need a high level of evidence/reason/data something to provide the community.

There are huge differences in botting, superusers and collusion. Bots very well could be a distant 3rd importance to the other two, here are my thoughts.

It's important that we at least ASK a few questions and think about our reasons for how we answer these questions.

These are important questions - and because I ask them does not mean I take a stance any particular way, I only think these are important discussions.

1) Are Bots good for, or at least helpful post black Friday online poker?
The line between free range human play, and automation has grown smaller every year consistently. Most winning players are using automation of some sort to some degree. We can debate to what extent automation is "in control" of decision making, but let's not pretend it's fair for fun players that have never heard of HM/PokerTracker, solvers, etc..

2) Are bots simply high tech prop players that take little from the player pool?
are they killing the games in the sense of playing so well that avg players are getting destroyed by them? I am aware that a few years ago the biggest winners on PokerStars low/mid stakes 6max games were bots however was that due to the volume of play or the winrate?

I was disappointed in the Joey video.

I was hoping he would present some numbers, hand histories, or at least SOMETHING proving his assertions.

Oddly, he called out certain screen names, yet didn't provide even one hand history, despite claiming to have spent countless hours studying and observing these players.

Huh?

I'm not saying that Joey is wrong. I trust his feel of the situation more than I trust the shady elements behind ACR, but let's not jump too much on the bandwagon until we sort this out further.

I will discuss this more on radio on Wednesday. Hopefully Joey will release more by then.

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As johnnysprinkles said above, Joey is making so many different accusations that it's a bit tough to take them all seriously, as they are all separate.

Superusing, colluding, and botting don't necessarily go together. Collusion and botting can (because those are indicative of lax security, plus bots can collude), but superusing is entirely different. A superuser does not need to collude or use bots, as he already has a tremendous advantage.

Yes, it's possible all three are happening, but honestly Joey's claims about the colluding and botting sound more credible than his claims of superusing.

We're going to need to see some evidence before concluding much more.

To answer johnnysprinkles' other question, YES, botting is cheating, and is far worse than using HUDs. And yes, at least at low-mid stakes, bots are big winners, especially if they are sharing hole card information with one another. Even "fair playing" bots will typically crush low and mid stakes, due to volume, a tough-to-exploit style, and lack of fatigue/emotion/human error.

I should also point out that bots have long been a problem on the smaller and mid-sized networks, dating back many years.

I proved back in 2009 that there were certain bots routinely in the limit holdem games on Bodog, but nothing was done. In fact, when I took countermeasures by tricking one of the bots into playing more than 80 consecutive hands against me where I got the button every time, the bot operator complained and Bodog threatened to ban me if I did it again. I spoke to one of the higher managers there, who basically told me that I had "no proof" it was a bot (lol), and that I had no right to exploit that glitch no matter who the opponent was. I asked him how any high volume, winning player could ever let another regular winner (me) take the button against him 80 consecutive times, and he didn't have an answer for that. Back in those days, everyone had screen names, so there wasn't even the explanation that he didn't realize he was playing someone competent. I was a high volume limit holdem regular there and everyone on the site knew I was one of the top winners there.

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I was disappointed in the Joey video.

I was hoping he would present some numbers, hand histories, or at least SOMETHING proving his assertions.

Oddly, he called out certain screen names, yet didn't provide even one hand history, despite claiming to have spent countless hours studying and observing these players.

Huh?

I'm not saying that Joey is wrong. I trust his feel of the situation more than I trust the shady elements behind ACR, but let's not jump too much on the bandwagon until we sort this out further.

I will discuss this more on radio on Wednesday. Hopefully Joey will release more by then.

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As johnnysprinkles said above, Joey is making so many different accusations that it's a bit tough to take them all seriously, as they are all separate.

Superusing, colluding, and botting don't necessarily go together. Collusion and botting can (because those are indicative of lax security, plus bots can collude), but superusing is entirely different. A superuser does not need to collude or use bots, as he already has a tremendous advantage.

Yes, it's possible all three are happening, but honestly Joey's claims about the colluding and botting sound more credible than his claims of superusing.

We're going to need to see some evidence before concluding much more.

To answer johnnysprinkles' other question, YES, botting is cheating, and is far worse than using HUDs. And yes, at least at low-mid stakes, bots are big winners, especially if they are sharing hole card information with one another. Even "fair playing" bots will typically crush low and mid stakes, due to volume, a tough-to-exploit style, and lack of fatigue/emotion/human error.

I should also point out that bots have long been a problem on the smaller and mid-sized networks, dating back many years.

I proved back in 2009 that there were certain bots routinely in the limit holdem games on Bodog, but nothing was done. In fact, when I took countermeasures by tricking one of the bots into playing more than 80 consecutive hands against me where I got the button every time, the bot operator complained and Bodog threatened to ban me if I did it again. I spoke to one of the higher managers there, who basically told me that I had "no proof" it was a bot (lol), and that I had no right to exploit that glitch no matter who the opponent was. I asked him how any high volume, winning player could ever let another regular winner (me) take the button against him 80 consecutive times, and he didn't have an answer for that. Back in those days, everyone had screen names, so there wasn't even the explanation that he didn't realize he was playing someone competent. I was a high volume limit holdem regular there and everyone on the site knew I was one of the top winners there.

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I agree with almost everything here Druff. I too was working to get the HU bots on FTP off the site back in '09-'10 not really because they were hard to beat, they were "decent" but my winrate vs the average player was far better and the bots were getting a bigger piece of the pie because of the volume they would play. I have often wondered if I were playing full ring/6max if it would have been better to have them fill more tables vs have them destroyed. I could be delusional in this idea and it might be catastrophic :) I only play Heads up..

what is the formula you use to determine if bots should be kicked off?

If bot is losing 1bb/100 but making money from RB/Bonus do we turn away since we profit in game?
If bot is slightly winning maybe .5-1bb/100 how do we feel?

I think you agree these situations are far different than bots winning 10bb/100 is that correct assumption?

I just want to gauge where we agree or disagree as far as ethics aside, what is better for the poker eco-system..

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1) Are Bots good for, or at least helpful post black Friday online poker?
The line between free range human play, and automation has grown smaller every year consistently. Most winning players are using automation of some sort to some degree. We can debate to what extent automation is "in control" of decision making, but let's not pretend it's fair for fun players that have never heard of HM/PokerTracker, solvers, etc..

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full disclosure, I use a HUD...

theres a huge difference between me playing with a HUD and me designing a bot to play exactly like I do...

1. the bot will always play an A game regardless of whether it's an hour or 11 hours into a session...a human, no matter how well trained in playing long sessions, will show slippage in play from hour 1 to 11...
2. bot will always play perfect frequencies in every spot...
3. bot will never tilt...

probably missing some, but there's at least a few reasons how they are totally different...

I was in no way comparing the use of a HUD to having a full blown bot. My point was that automation being used has increased and become more powerful and there are many scripts, scrapers, solvers etc, out there that are being used. most of it is impossible to detect.

Also, I am a bit skeptical as to how profitable these bots are. I've heard everything from "barely winning - huge crusher" I think this is important to find out..

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I was disappointed in the Joey video.

I was hoping he would present some numbers, hand histories, or at least SOMETHING proving his assertions.

Oddly, he called out certain screen names, yet didn't provide even one hand history, despite claiming to have spent countless hours studying and observing these players.

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The problem is they WPN don't have mucked hands at showdown in the hand history so providing proof is a tough task to do. People can report suspicious activity but WPN could easily not investigate even though they can see the hands and the players can't.

This is nothing new lots of collusion and botting reports have been going on for several years. In the hyper turbo HU sngs they were dominated by guys from Saint Petersberg, Russia for a long time. While most of the original names are gone it don't mean they can't hop on another skin to play.

The use of multiple skins is another thing if some person has two computers with two different internet sources they could play on multiple accounts at the same table and get away with it forever because WPN doesn't seem to care.

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I was in no way comparing the use of a HUD to having a full blown bot. My point was that automation being used has increased and become more powerful and there are many scripts, scrapers, solvers etc, out there that are being used. most of it is impossible to detect.

Also, I am a bit skeptical as to how profitable these bots are. I've heard everything from "barely winning - huge crusher" I think this is important to find out..

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on acr the bots don't need to be profitable to work...they merely need to be slightly losing at worst and youll make a killing...if I could make a PLO bot to play 0.25/0.50 for 40K hands a week I think (don't quote me on this cause I don't know the exact number, but I think my estimate is decent) I could generate around 17,500-20,000 beast points every week...most weeks this will get you $1,000 in rake race money...so that's $52,000 per year PLUS your combat points...honestly don't know how to estimate how many points you would get by year end, but lets say that's 300K to be VERY conservative...if you start off as a general that's $22,600 in rakeback...so all in all your slightly profitable/losing bot generated almost $75,000...you live in some third world shithole you are livin the good life off of $75,000...

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I was in no way comparing the use of a HUD to having a full blown bot. My point was that automation being used has increased and become more powerful and there are many scripts, scrapers, solvers etc, out there that are being used. most of it is impossible to detect.

Also, I am a bit skeptical as to how profitable these bots are. I've heard everything from "barely winning - huge crusher" I think this is important to find out..

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on acr the bots don't need to be profitable to work...they merely need to be slightly losing at worst and youll make a killing...if I could make a PLO bot to play 0.25/0.50 for 40K hands a week I think (don't quote me on this cause I don't know the exact number, but I think my estimate is decent) I could generate around 17,500-20,000 beast points every week...most weeks this will get you $1,000 in rake race money...so that's $52,000 per year PLUS your combat points...honestly don't know how to estimate how many points you would get by year end, but lets say that's 300K to be VERY conservative...if you start off as a general that's $22,600 in rakeback...so all in all your slightly profitable/losing bot generated almost $75,000...you live in some third world shithole you are livin the good life off of $75,000...

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This is one of my points, if the bot is barely winning and making all it's money from RakeBack then it would be better to have bots than to not have them. they would help fill tables/games for us... Why are we so bent on destroying bots that barely break-even?

A followup, If bots are sitting same table and sharing cards that would be terrible for the games. I guess there is a good possibility that is going on? but we cannot know 100% until we get info from operators somehow.

Just a couple of more reasons global rocks

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Hopefully the video makes it out in time for tonight's radio show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBo3PhOg8wQ

Ok, CJ is pretty clearly on to something. I think that's clear now. Watched a part of his 2nd video (that one ^^^) and a guy on 2p2 said it best:

"(This loophole of late reg. has) been exploited within WPN/APR for years. For those unaware: WPN/APR allows for extremely long registration periods (~3 hours), and allows for those joining at the last minute to all be seated together."

Come on. 3 hours of late registration? This is the site's own greediness (to pull in casual bystander players for an additional 3 hours after start) and incompetence (see what CJ says about the Poker room security/manager guy named Dan) and I wouldn't want to play on the Winning Network.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I was disappointed in the Joey video.

I was hoping he would present some numbers, hand histories, or at least SOMETHING proving his assertions.

Oddly, he called out certain screen names, yet didn't provide even one hand history, despite claiming to have spent countless hours studying and observing these players.

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The problem is they WPN don't have mucked hands at showdown in the hand history so providing proof is a tough task to do. People can report suspicious activity but WPN could easily not investigate even though they can see the hands and the players can't.

This is nothing new lots of collusion and botting reports have been going on for several years. In the hyper turbo HU sngs they were dominated by guys from Saint Petersberg, Russia for a long time. While most of the original names are gone it don't mean they can't hop on another skin to play.

The use of multiple skins is another thing if some person has two computers with two different internet sources they could play on multiple accounts at the same table and get away with it forever because WPN doesn't seem to care.

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The wpn rep just tottaly ignores a deflects from the mucked cards..

I never understood the mucked cards thing either.. They have updated and added tins of features but are unable to fix mucked cards,, lol..

W.p.n. keeps on tottally ignoring the complaints for mucked card for YEARS and just deflects the complaints or tottaly ignores them..

I think this will end up very bad for them. At this point its obvious if it wasnt before..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBo3PhOg8wQ


Interesting.

The loophole Joey is describing was told to me privately a few days ago by someone else.

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Just a couple of more reasons global rocks

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Hate to tell you Sparten but there is a well known bot program which can and does play on Global Poker

If ya don’t believe me check out www.pokerbot.com

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Ok, CJ is pretty clearly on to something. I think that's clear now. Watched a part of his 2nd video (that one ^^^) and a guy on 2p2 said it best:

"(This loophole of late reg. has) been exploited within WPN/APR for years. For those unaware: WPN/APR allows for extremely long registration periods (~3 hours), and allows for those joining at the last minute to all be seated together."

Come on. 3 hours of late registration? This is the site's own greediness (to pull in casual bystander players for an additional 3 hours after start) and incompetence (see what CJ says about the Poker room security/manager guy named Dan) and I wouldn't want to play on the Winning Network.

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Have to agree 100% on this. The reg periods on most tournaments are insanely long and still don’t get why some folks would do it other then potential collusion because by the time late reg is about to end effective starting stacks are in bingo mode because it’s down to fold shove at 10-12bbs

WPN builds it's prize pools as big as they are because of 3 to 5 hour late registration on a majority of mtts allowing unlimited re-entries.

It's amazing how many people some being self-proclaimed mtt pros who will fire several bullets in some mtts where they will need to get to the final table quite frequent in fields over 1k entries in order to make a decent profit.

A normal person who waits to buy in late takes that risk and it will be difficult to run it deep but when cheater teams do it they can pull various tactics (as mentioned) to at least get ITM netting a profit and saving a whole lot of time.

If they dump to one another after getting itm then they give themselves a decent chance to go super deep where the true money is.

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Just a couple of more reasons global rocks

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Hate to tell you Sparten but there is a well known bot program which can and does play on Global Poker

If ya don’t believe me check out www.pokerbot.com

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I absolutly believe u on most things b&p..

Just saw it...THAT SUCKS.. but that krakken bot looks "intresting"

Doug Polk did a podcast with ChicagoJoey today discussing this. I didn't listen to all of it to know if anything knew was covered but figured I'd put this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1G1bnbul2M

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Doug Polk did a podcast with ChicagoJoey today discussing this. I didn't listen to all of it to know if anything knew was covered but figured I'd put this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1G1bnbul2M

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I wouldn’t listen to that low IQ dope Chicago Johnny unless I was completely sauced and he had nude women doing card tricks

But I just might listen to this one. Polk’s brain might make Chicago Joey disappear.

It could be like shorting the positive to negative terminals of your car battery with a screwdriver.

However, you end up with a dead battery and the audience prolly loses ... again

Not one response by wpn even though it's raining a shit storm on them..

I think they just want it to blow over.. Even after YEAR'S of complaining about mucked cards still no response!!..

There is no reason for them not showing them (mucked cards) after years of scores of players complaining.

After this latest incedent, and ignoring online poker norms, if they dont show mucked cards something is definatly up.

How stupid can we be when u cant see your oppenants hand when u paid your chips to do soo!!!!

Even as a rec player that made no sense and is really wierd. How much of a degen can we be to keep playing with mucked cards and a site like that.

How more blatent and obvious can they be.

I've only been playing on ACR for ~2 months. However I know some of the players and see a lot of what is going on in cash games other than NLHE.

FWIW, my observations and some facts I know.

LHE bots are non-existent. It seems to me that if the site had a real big issue with bots they would be at every format? or is that a silly assumption? LHE bots have been around for years and even at HU, I've not encountered a single one.
There are some very good Russians/E. Euros but I know for a fact they are not bots.

The biggest winners on the site that play 6max PLO ($100-10,000) are not bots. I do not have the same opinion of games below $100

I have zero insight on SNG's or MTT's.

This is actually interesting. No clue about Chicago Joey but that sounds like sore losing to me so I wasn't paying attention to the thread.

This video goes into specifics stuff and it is obvious as fuck there is cheating.

I mean just think if you were able to sit 4 guys beside each other in a tournament. So each to pass chips to guys about to bust out. Then you have other standard cheating stuff that would work in a cash game. In a tournament it is even worse because there is the option to dump chips from high stack to low stack. That basically multiplies the damage that can be done. I don't know how to do any equations but if a guy with 1/10th the stack of some other player receives 3/10 and now has 4x his original stack, it is a huge positive. Trading low value chips into high value chips. lol tourneys.

If you're ever writing poker room software make sure you randomize people new to tourneys across all tables. This should probably be done live but if online it is just waiting for lolz.

Been keeping up with all the threads on 2+2.. On a side note pfa podcaste with joey was mentioned..

I know that regs ALWAYS threaten to withdraw there B.R. or rake less and they NEVER follow through.

I really think this time its diffrent.. They are really getting hit seriously and its constant and getting worse by well known posters and others whom seem very credible and who seem that there following through on there threats..

To this point there has been nothing from w.p.n
On this.. They dont even reply to (at the very least) fix the dam mucked cards issue.

You think they would at this fucken point (at the very least) but there are precariously refusing to do so through there silence and previous posts. ??? . thats just way too wierd and "shiesty"(dirty)..

It will get worse unless they do something transformative and drastic..
I really just think there happy chugging along with there degens, bots and in house super users and hope this will pass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUKdz58M44U

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Ive been researching all the excuses and claims about the mucked card situation on 2+2.

So many DIFFRENT excuses. Its self evident they dont want to do it for some insidious reason..

Phil could post TOMORROW that he is going to spend $1,000,000 on security to fight bots and collusion it wouldnt make a diffrence, its all talk to keep people playing.

IF he "JUST" fixed the mucked cards it would reestablish trust instantaneously. He would be heralded. A ton of deposits would come in. The withdrawal,s would stop. People will play more. Id even play some hands to check it out..BUT HE WONT!!!!! (Things that make you go hmmm?)

I see no evidence that there is mass WD's or people stopped playing since these threads started. I have pointed out from the beginning that 9/10 people posting about how shady the network is, are losing/rec players that love a good cheating scandal to mask their failures. I do not doubt there are issues, I am sure there are bots at the lower micro stakes. there are bots on every site!

WPN has handled the issue abysmally. no doubt.
Everyone is bitching about the 44bars account and how is cheating, yet the high stakes NL/PLO players who are confirmed real, love his action and have gone to the forums to post and say "no issues". but those posts get ignored because it's just not as fun as a good ole scandal!

I have heard account names come from Joey's mouth that are 100% real non bot accounts. He even made a big deal of an account having an "abnormal" WR at HU SNG's, problem is that account was playing HUPLO8 which is not comparable to standard winrates found at NL or PLO. If Joey saw my winrates/streaks at HUFL SNG's he would label me a cheater as well.

I will summarize his issue/blatant ignorance of eastern europeans/Belarussians this way, they are the best/winningest poker players for a reason, and it's not cheating.. They are just that fucking much better than the rest of the world.. in some formats it's the Germans in MOST it's Russia/Belarus..

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I see no evidence that there is mass WD's or people stopped playing since these threads started. I have pointed out from the beginning that 9/10 people posting about how shady the network is, are losing/rec players that love a good cheating scandal to mask their failures. I do not doubt there are issues, I am sure there are bots at the lower micro stakes. there are bots on every site!

WPN has handled the issue abysmally. no doubt.
Everyone is bitching about the 44bars account and how is cheating, yet the high stakes NL/PLO players who are confirmed real, love his action and have gone to the forums to post and say "no issues". but those posts get ignored because it's just not as fun as a good ole scandal!

I have heard account names come from Joey's mouth that are 100% real non bot accounts. He even made a big deal of an account having an "abnormal" WR at HU SNG's, problem is that account was playing HUPLO8 which is not comparable to standard winrates found at NL or PLO. If Joey saw my winrates/streaks at HUFL SNG's he would label me a cheater as well.

I will summarize his issue/blatant ignorance of eastern europeans/Belarussians this way, they are the best/winningest poker players for a reason, and it's not cheating.. They are just that fucking much better than the rest of the world.. in some formats it's the Germans in MOST it's Russia/Belarus..

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Russians are a determined people in general, they will also go to great lengths to get a lot of money regardless of the ethical feelings. I wish I could remember the podcast where a main event final tablest said he was working in Russia in a large room filled with people playing online... not saying they were colluding but the environment would have been ripe for some cheating. I will try to find the podcast pretty sure it was 2p2.

Edit: it was Sam Trickett I think also it was some time after the one drop 2nd place can’t remember the pod.

I found a interview where he indicated he was a poker “instructor” in South Africa.

Still he still didn’t stop. He sold his BMW to pay off his debts and accepted a job teaching poker to office workers in South Africa. His boss was so impressed he sponsored Sam at the World Series in Las Vegas in June 2010.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.mirr...ns-2528505.amp

Sorry for any confusion

no shit. people @ acr have been raping others for many years. nobody gives a shit as long as they still win and it doesn't effect them that much.

the addage is really true "rigged poker is better than no poker" especially if u can still beat it and get nice rake back.

the degens deserve all the raping they can handle. they'll still play regardless

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no shit. people @ acr have been raping others for many years. nobody gives a shit as long as they still win and it doesn't effect them that much.

the addage is really true "rigged poker is better than no poker" especially if u can still beat it and get nice rake back.

the degens deserve all the raping they can handle. they'll still play regardless

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Unless your an absolute poker nut, multitabling all day in dirty boxers and no social life while playing nit poker:: u have no buisness on acr..

Question, why havnt they fixed the muck card situation after all these years and complaints and being really unusual as far as poker norms. I think its the only room that does this on the planet earth.

It would ease tensions and give them "some" credibility.

Its becouse something is not right!! They dont care about collusion or bots unless u make a big stink about it then they do something "minimally" to pacify you for the moment.

They just want the rake.

And yes, they will pay u if u make it through all that..

Acr is like bronx style playground football. "Kill the man with the ball"..

They wont fix the mucked cards. It. Would fuck up half there annual rake through bots and collusion teams. Never mind there "house/stable players" that have magical poker powers.

The WPN bot problem has been well known among high volume online players . Especially SNG, HUSG , and smaller stakes ring game players.
Joey just put a popular voice to what everyone already knew.
The collusion or super user information is new. I had never heard that accusation prior to this.

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Originally Posted by Noodle

The WPN bot problem has been well known among high volume online players . Especially SNG, HUSG , and smaller stakes ring game players.
Joey just put a popular voice to what everyone already knew.
The collusion or super user information is new. I had never heard that accusation prior to this.

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True story, my first aim screen name was noodle because that's all the 14 year old girls wanted from me

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Originally Posted by AhoosierA

You see it all the time on Facebook and other poker forums. Fish making claims that "online poker is rigged." Rarely ever does a big name professional poker player, especially one that makes what I assume is most of their income on Online Poker.

ChicagoJoey aka Joey Ingram calls out several individual accounts that he believes are all being ran by 1 person. That 1 person will sit multiple accounts all at the same cash table, and play against unsuspecting players.

Here is the video:

https://youtu.be/yHP2F9auRco

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Cheating been going on forever.........I was cheated on Planet Poker.........but they had the sense to catch the cheat who broke the code and send all hands you played against him/her (never was told who it was) and the money was added to my account and all other players who lost.....1,220 I believe was the number I was in 38 hands against the dude or dudet.......and lost 25 of them ...he / she was clever enough to lose as well as win....

Queenstreet

Jeff Boski posted a live Youtube video of himself going deep in a $21 tourney. When someone asked about ACR cheating, around 8 mins in, he deleted it ("where my mods at?")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeFY...em-lbcastemail

More blatant cheating/collusion. Tournament started with 8 players, 6 players went all in on the first hand of the tournament, 5 get eliminated which puts the remaining 3 players ITM therefore forcing late registrations to close early (2nd hand of the tournament LOL). $66 buyin and a min cash for $1.2k...(PS, the guy that got 3rd is 100% not a bot or in on this collusion).