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hey druff, i had two strokes on july 14th, stop being suxh a pussy, try sleeping while u cant move ur whole left side and an iv in one arm and a blood pressure cuff on the other taking ur pressure every 15 minutes and nurses checking ur vitals every two ohours, and then having a cath put in cuz u cant piss!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Get well soonQuote:
Originally Posted by DrPetershey druff, i had two strokes on july 14th, stop being suxh a pussy, try sleeping while u cant move ur whole left side and an iv in one arm and a blood pressure cuff on the other taking ur pressure every 15 minutes and nurses checking ur vitals every two ohours, and then having a cath put in cuz u cant piss!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPetershey druff, i had two strokes on july 14th, stop being suxh a pussy, try sleeping while u cant move ur whole left side and an iv in one arm and a blood pressure cuff on the other taking ur pressure every 15 minutes and nurses checking ur vitals every two ohours, and then having a cath put in cuz u cant piss!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
What a buzz kill.
sorry, but had to say something. this shit fucking sux, I'm stuck here in inpatient for the next month and then probably gonna have to do outpatient rehab for another 6 months but luckily my left side is coming back more and more each day. guys, don't be dumb like me and get ur blood pressure checked and go see ur doctor if u aren't feeling right. u don't want to have a stroke, I promise uQuote:
Originally Posted by KuntmissionerJesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPeters
What a buzz kill.
thanks hongkongerQuote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerGet well soonQuote:
Originally Posted by DrPeters
That stinks, get well soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPetershey druff, i had two strokes on july 14th, stop being suxh a pussy, try sleeping while u cant move ur whole left side and an iv in one arm and a blood pressure cuff on the other taking ur pressure every 15 minutes and nurses checking ur vitals every two ohours, and then having a cath put in cuz u cant piss!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Are you overweight? Drug user? Do you have any idea why you had a stroke? Strokes scare the fucking life out of me so just curious.
We are all getting old.
The next generation of posters (Krypt, Plol, lewfather, etc) need to start pulling their weight.
Someone has to pay our medical bills when we're old.
three factors were cause of my strokes, genetics was main reason, sleep apnea, and yes im overweight. I am 36 years old, 6 foot 1 and weigh 260 pounds. if I had just not been dumb and gone to the doctor or checked my blood pressure at some point in the last 15 years, all of this could have been avoided. but I'm very lucky to be alive and I am going to make a full recovery. my blood pressure was 265/160 when I went to emergency room and they estimate my bp has prolly been around 200/150 for the last 10 years. I'm very lucky to be alive. they lowered it too fast in the icu and that caused an extension of my stroke which caused my left side to not work. luckily I haven't lost any memory, speech or cognitive skills and after 2 weeks in therapy I'm already walking with a cane, so the future is bright.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickThat stinks, get well soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPeters
Are you overweight? Drug user? Do you have any idea why you had a stroke? Strokes scare the fucking life out of me so just curious.
Best of luck man and hoping you have a full recovery. I hope you make some life changes too so you don't have any other health issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPetersthree factors were cause of my strokes, genetics was main reason, sleep apnea, and yes im overweight. I am 36 years old, 6 foot 1 and weigh 260 pounds. if I had just not been dumb and gone to the doctor or checked my blood pressure at some point in the last 15 years, all of this could have been avoided. but I'm very lucky to be alive and I am going to make a full recovery. my blood pressure was 265/160 when I went to emergency room and they estimate my bp has prolly been around 200/150 for the last 10 years. I'm very lucky to be alive. they lowered it too fast in the icu and that caused an extension of my stroke which caused my left side to not work. luckily I haven't lost any memory, speech or cognitive skills and after 2 weeks in therapy I'm already walking with a cane, so the future is bright.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
thanks big dick, and the life changes have already started. its amazing how a near death experience puts everything in perspective, it just sucks I had to have 2 strokes to realize it
Some of us have to learn the hard way brother, but at least you now know it and are going to do something about it. Keep us updated plzQuote:
Originally Posted by DrPeters
yessir, thanks for the support
In the spirit of trying to make lemonade out of lemons, perhaps we can set up a timed walking match between you and The Lurker using simultaneous video feeds into a single Twitch stream, with Druff acting as the referee, and the usual PFA radio show cohosts providing commentary. Could get some decent wagering going on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPetersthree factors were cause of my strokes, genetics was main reason, sleep apnea, and yes im overweight. I am 36 years old, 6 foot 1 and weigh 260 pounds. if I had just not been dumb and gone to the doctor or checked my blood pressure at some point in the last 15 years, all of this could have been avoided. but I'm very lucky to be alive and I am going to make a full recovery. my blood pressure was 265/160 when I went to emergency room and they estimate my bp has prolly been around 200/150 for the last 10 years. I'm very lucky to be alive. they lowered it too fast in the icu and that caused an extension of my stroke which caused my left side to not work. luckily I haven't lost any memory, speech or cognitive skills and after 2 weeks in therapy I'm already walking with a cane, so the future is bright.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
yes mumbles I'm wearing the hospital provided cpap at night and am scheduled for a sleep study when I get out of rehab to get a better custom cap. I can already tell a huge difference in just a couple weeks of wearing the cpap, yes sleep apnea is no fucking joke
Why are all the quotes on this page fucked up?
Posting on the internet is hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
Godspeed, Dr. Peters.
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Originally Posted by simpdog
Either Big Dick or Dr Peters or both had a stroke and voila
Excellent. BTW, that brother-in-law I mentioned who almost died was also in his thirties at the time. He dropped over a hundred pounds over two years after he started using a cpap machine. All the best on your recovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPeters
FAT MOTHERFUCKING STROKE VICTIM COCK.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPeters
But get well soon btw.
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Originally Posted by DrPeterssorry, but had to say something. this shit fucking sux, I'm stuck here in inpatient for the next month and then probably gonna have to do outpatient rehab for another 6 months but luckily my left side is coming back more and more each day. guys, don't be dumb like me and get ur blood pressure checked and go see ur doctor if u aren't feeling right. u don't want to have a stroke, I promise uQuote:
Originally Posted by Kuntmissioner
Best of luck to you . 260 pounds, while heavy, isn't ridiculous for some someone 6-1. History of hypertension in the family?
god speed
Most likely, his extreme hypertension was caused by chronic sleep loss brought on by the sleep apnea.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by DrPeters
Best of luck to you . 260 pounds, while heavy, isn't ridiculous for some someone 6-1. History of hypertension in the family?
god speed
No, most likely it was brought on by genetics, which is by far the biggest factor in high blood pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyMost likely, his extreme hypertension was caused by chronic sleep loss brought on by the sleep apnea.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
People hate the fact that high blood pressure and high cholesterol are almost entirely due to genetics. Humans like to feel like they control their own destiny. Eat healthy, exercise, and your blood pressure & cholesterol levels should stay low, right? Wrong. But the myths still persist that lifestyle is the primary cause of these conditions.
I agree that genetics plays the largest role in blood pressure and heart disease but lifestyle, especially a very bad one also is a factor not to be ignored. There is no excuse for being a fat pig, your health will get compromised and you're likely a shittier person in the process. Theres increasing evidence that high sodium and high sugar diets as well as diets extremely low in sodium fuck with our moods to the point of mimicking depression.
After I quit drinking years ago I noticed a very clear link between awful food and my moods, especially the day after a horrible late meal. Personally I am incredibly happy and optimistic when I string days and weeks together eating a diet under 2300mg per day of sodium and no refined sugars. Of course I fall off the clean eating occasionally and without fail I notice my mind gets rooted in more negative thoughts, I get irritated more easily and I rarely give someone the charitable option when I'm unclear what their intent was in a convo/email/text.
For those of you in love with your bad diets you'll instantly disregard this info as nonsense. Much like in the drinking thread people will find ways to defend their behaviours. It's a wicked blind spot tons of us have. If anyone is interested I can link some studies and share how I eat. I promise if you get through the initial sugar flu (lasts a week) you'll notice a drastic increase in moods, you won't get irritated with silly shit anymore and you will obsess less in negative thoughts
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2491403/
Post daily diet plz tyQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Good post and you make a good point about feeling good based on food you eat.
While it can be debated how much genetics plays a role, there is really no doubt in my mind that the food you eat effects the way you feel. People that dismiss this generally are people that have been eating shitty their whole lives so they dont know there is any other way to feel. With that said, I drink too much so you can say i am being hypercritical which would be fair. However, I realize that having two vices is worse than one. I never liked sweets so it has been easy for me to stay away from sugar. I also dont have a big thing on "food." For example, some people cant wait for lunch to have sweet and sour pork, I just know it would make me feel sick. You are absolutely right that if you stop eating sugar and then re introduce it in large amounts your body gets pissed off. It is almost like drinking for a long time, stopping, and then drinking heavily again. Your body isnt ready for the poison and has no tolerance.
I pretty much each the same shit every day:
Breakfast - Two hard boiled eggs, coffee or piece of toast with peanut butter (no added sugar)
Lunch - Some kind of mexican salad or Lebanese bowl. No rice in any of the bowls and no chips or tortillas for mexican bowl . Pork, chicken, steak or gyro. Avocados are great, beans, tomatoes, etc
Snacks - packs of almonds and Epic Pork rinds.
Dinner - Some sort of meat, usually fish, salad . I throw in some broccoli sprouts everyday as there has been some interesting studies on those.
I also run 5 miles a day, 6-1 and fluctuate between 180-190. I also go in the sauna every other day for 20 mins as there is some interesting studies on sauna use and longevity.
If you are a drinker, beer is the worst for putting on weight. Anything distilled (like whiskey) has way less of an impact on weight gain.
There are really no longer term clinical trials on nutrition (comparing one diet against another) so a lot of it is speculation as to if a diet plays any sort of role in longevity. But who cares. If you are going to live to 75 regardless of what you eat, I would think you would want to do so with as much energy as possible and to feel good as much as possible.
good posts guys, since my stroke i have been on a heart healthy diet which basically means low sodium, under 1500 mgs a day, low fat, no red meat, just lean chicken breast meat, occational lean pork,and no caffiene or refined sugars. so basically lots of vegetables, fresh fruit and lean protein. its just common sense, i feel way better and have lost almost 20 pounds since july 17th and i dont plan on changing my diet to my old ways ever againQuote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Good post and you make a good point about feeling good based on food you eat.
While it can be debated how much genetics plays a role, there is really no doubt in my mind that the food you eat effects the way you feel. People that dismiss this generally are people that have been eating shitty their whole lives so they dont know there is any other way to feel. With that said, I drink too much so you can say i am being hypercritical which would be fair. However, I realize that having two vices is worse than one. I never liked sweets so it has been easy for me to stay away from sugar. I also dont have a big thing on "food." For example, some people cant wait for lunch to have sweet and sour pork, I just know it would make me feel sick. You are absolutely right that if you stop eating sugar and then re introduce it in large amounts your body gets pissed off. It is almost like drinking for a long time, stopping, and then drinking heavily again. Your body isnt ready for the poison and has no tolerance.
I pretty much each the same shit every day:
Breakfast - Two hard boiled eggs, coffee or piece of toast with peanut butter (no added sugar)
Lunch - Some kind of mexican salad or Lebanese bowl. No rice in any of the bowls and no chips or tortillas for mexican bowl . Pork, chicken, steak or gyro. Avocados are great, beans, tomatoes, etc
Snacks - packs of almonds and Epic Pork rinds.
Dinner - Some sort of meat, usually fish, salad . I throw in some broccoli sprouts everyday as there has been some interesting studies on those.
I also run 5 miles a day, 6-1 and fluctuate between 180-190. I also go in the sauna every other day for 20 mins as there is some interesting studies on sauna use and longevity.
If you are a drinker, beer is the worst for putting on weight. Anything distilled (like whiskey) has way less of an impact on weight gain.
God speed Dr Peters. Please refrain from hiking & camping too else all the other hard work could be for not.
Don't let Druffs suffering be in vain. We can learn from his mistakes.
cmoney surely has incorporated this habit into his HOF lifestyle
pork rhinds are amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Good post and you make a good point about feeling good based on food you eat.
While it can be debated how much genetics plays a role, there is really no doubt in my mind that the food you eat effects the way you feel. People that dismiss this generally are people that have been eating shitty their whole lives so they dont know there is any other way to feel. With that said, I drink too much so you can say i am being hypercritical which would be fair. However, I realize that having two vices is worse than one. I never liked sweets so it has been easy for me to stay away from sugar. I also dont have a big thing on "food." For example, some people cant wait for lunch to have sweet and sour pork, I just know it would make me feel sick. You are absolutely right that if you stop eating sugar and then re introduce it in large amounts your body gets pissed off. It is almost like drinking for a long time, stopping, and then drinking heavily again. Your body isnt ready for the poison and has no tolerance.
I pretty much each the same shit every day:
Breakfast - Two hard boiled eggs, coffee or piece of toast with peanut butter (no added sugar)
Lunch - Some kind of mexican salad or Lebanese bowl. No rice in any of the bowls and no chips or tortillas for mexican bowl . Pork, chicken, steak or gyro. Avocados are great, beans, tomatoes, etc
Snacks - packs of almonds and Epic Pork rinds.
Dinner - Some sort of meat, usually fish, salad . I throw in some broccoli sprouts everyday as there has been some interesting studies on those.
I also run 5 miles a day, 6-1 and fluctuate between 180-190. I also go in the sauna every other day for 20 mins as there is some interesting studies on sauna use and longevity.
If you are a drinker, beer is the worst for putting on weight. Anything distilled (like whiskey) has way less of an impact on weight gain.
There are really no longer term clinical trials on nutrition (comparing one diet against another) so a lot of it is speculation as to if a diet plays any sort of role in longevity. But who cares. If you are going to live to 75 regardless of what you eat, I would think you would want to do so with as much energy as possible and to feel good as much as possible.
don't know about the rest of the healthy shit.
if you want to put off weight and eat like a goon, ride a bike like me.
cmoney, wet or dry sauna?
Nothing nastier than a hot wet Petrie dish sauna.
If your taking a wet sauna at Caesars (where maintenance and cleaning aren't offered to anyone including 7 Stars) we need to discuss succession planning around here and possibly the "cmoney charitable trust for degenerates"
*Druff's gonna tilt so hard at that forgotten apostrophe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I don't think it's hypocritical at all to be aware of the mood altering effects of bad food but still choose to drink, humans are pretty nuanced creatures. I like to hunt and eat meat, my wife hates hunting but loves meat, I think one can reconcile those two seemingly counter facts just by being a human being. If I could control my eating I'd likely still drink but it seemed drinking, awful food, gambling and hookers all went together. Anything I could do to get a dopamine and beta endorphin rush I'd do. All or nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Good post and you make a good point about feeling good based on food you eat.
While it can be debated how much genetics plays a role, there is really no doubt in my mind that the food you eat effects the way you feel. People that dismiss this generally are people that have been eating shitty their whole lives so they dont know there is any other way to feel. With that said, I drink too much so you can say i am being hypercritical which would be fair. However, I realize that having two vices is worse than one. I never liked sweets so it has been easy for me to stay away from sugar. I also dont have a big thing on "food." For example, some people cant wait for lunch to have sweet and sour pork, I just know it would make me feel sick. You are absolutely right that if you stop eating sugar and then re introduce it in large amounts your body gets pissed off. It is almost like drinking for a long time, stopping, and then drinking heavily again. Your body isnt ready for the poison and has no tolerance.
I pretty much each the same shit every day:
Breakfast - Two hard boiled eggs, coffee or piece of toast with peanut butter (no added sugar)
Lunch - Some kind of mexican salad or Lebanese bowl. No rice in any of the bowls and no chips or tortillas for mexican bowl . Pork, chicken, steak or gyro. Avocados are great, beans, tomatoes, etc
Snacks - packs of almonds and Epic Pork rinds.
Dinner - Some sort of meat, usually fish, salad . I throw in some broccoli sprouts everyday as there has been some interesting studies on those.
I also run 5 miles a day, 6-1 and fluctuate between 180-190. I also go in the sauna every other day for 20 mins as there is some interesting studies on sauna use and longevity.
If you are a drinker, beer is the worst for putting on weight. Anything distilled (like whiskey) has way less of an impact on weight gain.
There are really no longer term clinical trials on nutrition (comparing one diet against another) so a lot of it is speculation as to if a diet plays any sort of role in longevity. But who cares. If you are going to live to 75 regardless of what you eat, I would think you would want to do so with as much energy as possible and to feel good as much as possible.
It's also likely you don't crave sugar because you get plenty from the alcohol. I never cared for dessert but as soon as I took booze out of the equation I couldn't get enough.
How do you control your eating when drunk or hungover? I had no free will in those moments.
DrPeters - my sis is an OBGYN so heart disease isn't her area of expertise but my old man has had 5 heart attacks and she has access to all the studies behind the scenes that doctors evaluate. Of course don't follow my advice but look into it - there is increasing evidence that a low sodium, zero sugar but higher fat diet is very healthy for humans in general and in particular those with heart disease. I'll ask her to send me some studies but that's how we all eat now. Low carb, high fat, zero sugar and I am lean as hell (down 75lbs since I quit drinking), very good hunger control and steady moods. My old man is 82, had quadruple bypass a year ago and he is also eating this way and I think he's the healthiest I've seen him in 20 years.
Druff wants to blame his high blood pressure on genetics so he can continue drinking his Pepsi and Orange Juice and gobbling up his pizza and subway sandwiches with tomatoes on the side. Maybe his entire family has bad eating habits, especially being Jews and their love for bagels which are full of sugar. Do an experiment Todd, cut the carbs for the rest of the year and lets see if your blood pressure becomes normal. I will bet that it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Good post and you make a good point about feeling good based on food you eat.
While it can be debated how much genetics plays a role, there is really no doubt in my mind that the food you eat effects the way you feel. People that dismiss this generally are people that have been eating shitty their whole lives so they dont know there is any other way to feel. With that said, I drink too much so you can say i am being hypercritical which would be fair. However, I realize that having two vices is worse than one. I never liked sweets so it has been easy for me to stay away from sugar. I also dont have a big thing on "food." For example, some people cant wait for lunch to have sweet and sour pork, I just know it would make me feel sick. You are absolutely right that if you stop eating sugar and then re introduce it in large amounts your body gets pissed off. It is almost like drinking for a long time, stopping, and then drinking heavily again. Your body isnt ready for the poison and has no tolerance.
I pretty much each the same shit every day:
Breakfast - Two hard boiled eggs, coffee or piece of toast with peanut butter (no added sugar)
Lunch - Some kind of mexican salad or Lebanese bowl. No rice in any of the bowls and no chips or tortillas for mexican bowl . Pork, chicken, steak or gyro. Avocados are great, beans, tomatoes, etc
Snacks - packs of almonds and Epic Pork rinds.
Dinner - Some sort of meat, usually fish, salad . I throw in some broccoli sprouts everyday as there has been some interesting studies on those.
I also run 5 miles a day, 6-1 and fluctuate between 180-190. I also go in the sauna every other day for 20 mins as there is some interesting studies on sauna use and longevity.
If you are a drinker, beer is the worst for putting on weight. Anything distilled (like whiskey) has way less of an impact on weight gain.
There are really no longer term clinical trials on nutrition (comparing one diet against another) so a lot of it is speculation as to if a diet plays any sort of role in longevity. But who cares. If you are going to live to 75 regardless of what you eat, I would think you would want to do so with as much energy as possible and to feel good as much as possible.
I am not smart enough to comment on what alcohol does to your blood sugar levels once it enters your body. However, i always thought beer and liquor have very small amounts of sugar in them. My understanding is that the real danger with sugar and alcohol is in the mixed drinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilI don't think it's hypocritical at all to be aware of the mood altering effects of bad food but still choose to drink, humans are pretty nuanced creatures. I like to hunt and eat meat, my wife hates hunting but loves meat, I think one can reconcile those two seemingly counter facts just by being a human being. If I could control my eating I'd likely still drink but it seemed drinking, awful food, gambling and hookers all went together. Anything I could do to get a dopamine and beta endorphin rush I'd do. All or nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
It's also likely you don't crave sugar because you get plenty from the alcohol. I never cared for dessert but as soon as I took booze out of the equation I couldn't get enough.
How do you control your eating when drunk or hungover? I had no free will in those moments.
I actually have pretty good discipline when it comes to beer/liquor and food. Even when drinking, i am really good with sticking to no sugars and grains. Also, drinking a bunch of beer and eating chips, pizza, or whatever the snack there is around, just makes me sick.
Gambling is another story. I dont even like to gamble unless i am drinking. I find it completely boring without the booze.
If Druff reduced his sodium under 1500mg per day, eliminated refined sugars, dropped a few lbs I'd be willing to take a bet that his blood pressure improves dramatically, hard to say if it gets to a normal level because genetics play a huge role. I also agree that him believing his purely genetic allows him to continue with a behaviour he enjoys and doesn't want to quit (eating like shit). How do you know for sure what your family genetics are, Druff? It's very hard to study because eating patterns are generally passed down from parents. If most of your family eats like shit and heart disease/high blood pressure is an issue you won't know if it's genetic. Why not take a crack at living healthy for a year and find out the truth? It's a tough month changing the habits but well worth it, you'll also break a cycle and pass down a gift to your son that will improve everything about his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by snake_in_the_assDruff wants to blame his high blood pressure on genetics so he can continue drinking his Pepsi and Orange Juice and gobbling up his pizza and subway sandwiches with tomatoes on the side. Maybe his entire family has bad eating habits, especially being Jews and their love for bagels which are full of sugar. Do an experiment Todd, cut the carbs for the rest of the year and lets see if your blood pressure becomes normal. I will bet that it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
Sorry if I seem preachy, I just feel so fucking good with the changes I've made the last few years and I'd love to see others do the same.
Alcohol is generally a carb and will convert to sugars, it will raise your blood sugars and then dramatically reduce them in huge levels. This is also another contributing factor to wanting more booze.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoneyI am not smart enough to comment on what alcohol does to your blood sugar levels once it enters your body. However, i always thought beer and liquor have very small amounts of sugar in them. My understanding is that the real danger with sugar and alcohol is in the mixed drinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
I actually have pretty good discipline when it comes to beer/liquor and food. Even when drinking, i am really good with sticking to no sugars and grains. Also, drinking a bunch of beer and eating chips, pizza, or whatever the snack there is around, just makes me sick.
Gambling is another story. I dont even like to gamble unless i am drinking. I find it completely boring without the booze.
I'm the same. When I take a day off from the beer drinking, i'm just craving anything sugary....and I rarely ever eat sweets.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilI don't think it's hypocritical at all to be aware of the mood altering effects of bad food but still choose to drink, humans are pretty nuanced creatures. I like to hunt and eat meat, my wife hates hunting but loves meat, I think one can reconcile those two seemingly counter facts just by being a human being. If I could control my eating I'd likely still drink but it seemed drinking, awful food, gambling and hookers all went together. Anything I could do to get a dopamine and beta endorphin rush I'd do. All or nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
It's also likely you don't crave sugar because you get plenty from the alcohol. I never cared for dessert but as soon as I took booze out of the equation I couldn't get enough.
How do you control your eating when drunk or hungover? I had no free will in those moments.
thanks for the suggestion peter, i will definitely look into itQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Peters helping Peters...what a time to be alive