How the FUCK?
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How the FUCK?
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as a career merchant mariner I can say that there is no fucking reason this ever should have happened
Apparently some Phillippino decided to take a nap while their massive fucking ship that weighs 40k TONS just smashed into the side of another vessel. I'm sure there were alarms going off everywhere in the wheelhouse, probably comparable to a bomb warning siren as they approached.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
Pic of ship that hit it....
Wait....you mean ships aren't supposed to crash into each other? Amazing. I bet everyone on a ship with you feels much safer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
i was told once by a former navy guy that often at sea freighters do not yield right of way--the freighters are commonly set upon a course and then run remote without a pilot...meanwhile US Naval ships have a pilot at their helms constantly...and the Navy almost always yields/changes course to avoid collision
perhaps the navy had a stubborn captain, an inexperienced pilot or was in a place without room to change course
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Originally Posted by Tyde
Lol, Tyde acting like the equivalent of a floating Red Robin busboy would have saved the day
:lol
I wonder if planes are supposed to crash. Guess we would need a "career stewardess" in here to let us know.
as career cyclist i can tell you, bikes aren't supposed to get hit by cars
USS Fitzgerald Collision Likely Caused by ‘Human Error,’ Not Tech
David Z. Morris
2:59 PM ET
The U.S. Navy’s USS Fitzgerald struck the Philippine container ship ACX Crystal near Japan on Saturday morning, leaving the destroyer seriously damaged and at least seven sailors missing.
According to one expert, there’s a good chance the collision was caused by the errors of human crew, despite the presence of onboard systems intended to prevent deadly collisions at sea.
Tom Dyer, a naval expert who spoke to Wired, says it’s likely that both the U.S Navy vessel and the container ship carried radar-based collision avoidance systems. Much like the systems in advanced automobiles, those systems are designed to not only see a ship’s surroundings, but also calculate whether it’s headed for a crash.
It’s possible those alert systems failed, Dyer says. But it’s far more likely a human pilot or captain on one of the ships made one or more missteps that proved impossible to correct.
“Maneuvering vessels of this size is not easy,” Dyer told Wired, “and they don’t respond quickly if someone makes a mistake.”The area where the collision took place, southwest of Yokosuka Naval Base, is near the heavily trafficked shipping lane that leads to Tokyo Bay. The complexity of the decision-making required to safely navigate such congestion is part of why shipping companies and researchers, including giant Maersk, are exploring the potential of more robust computer guidance system, or even fully autonomous ships.
any ship named Fitzgerald is doomed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A
LOL Marty taking lotsa heat itt
When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryLaffer
Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya
At seven pm a main hatchway caved in, he said
Fellas, it's been good t'know ya
So you hit the japs then according to this .Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
Change this thread title mods
Don't know how you strike another vessel starboard on but there you go.
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Originally Posted by Muck FiconWait....you mean ships aren't supposed to crash into each other? Amazing. I bet everyone on a ship with you feels much safer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
hey RETARD
state of the art navigational radar systems, and the multitude of precautions factored into charting courses and mapping cross traffic make this accident totally inexcusable
now run along back to your sweet gig at Burger King in buttfuck Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by TydeQuote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
hey RETARD
state of the art navigational radar systems, and the multitude of precautions factored into charting courses and mapping cross traffic make this accident totally inexcusable
now run along back to your sweet gig at Burger King in buttfuck Wisconsin
with all that knowledge it's a wonder why you're in the kitchen and not on the bridge with the captain.
LoL @ Burger King comment.
You work on a floating arby's making hot pockets.
12 grand a month and you're down there playing 50nl...
TYDE.
YOU ARE A FUCKING JOKE AND A HALF.
THATS RIGHT 1.5 JOKES = MARTIN
A certain poster used to call this "getting his shit packed in."Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryLafferQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyde
with all that knowledge it's a wonder why you're in the kitchen and not on the bridge with the captain.
LoL @ Burger King comment.
You work on a floating arby's making hot pockets.
when I was 31 years old, I was living in Hawaii working on a cruise ship making 5 grand a month
Larry is on his little bike grinding out 120 bucks a day in Chicago delivering random parcels
try not to get shot you fucking broke ass dickwad
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I think you've misconstrued what I actually do.
I work 8 hours a week (One SHIFT) and play poker. even though I do play fairly low stakes, I play much higher than 25 cent 50 cent no limit.
get fucked mexico boy.
you made 12 grand a month for a few months and will be broke again. rinse and repeat.
yadda yadda yadda when i was 31 years old blah blah blah beach bunnies blah blah blah
how old are you now is what's relevant and what you're doing with your life now 20+ years later is the topic of many threads here. Including this one where we hijacked it after you made the dumbest fucking comment available at the time.
again, get fucked and enjoy your poker in mexico
The good captain obviously never read this book-
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/18/w...?smid=tw-share
TOKYO — As an American destroyer cruised off the waters of Japan in clear weather after 2 a.m. Saturday, only a few dozen of the crew of 350 were likely to be awake: standing watch, keeping the engines running, manning the bridge.
Then, say Navy officers with decades of experience at sea, there were probably minutes of sheer terror aboard the Fitzgerald before the collision with an enormous container ship that killed seven sailors.
“My guess is they suddenly saw the lights of the other ship coming toward them and tried to veer off,” said retired Adm. James G. Stavridis, whose book “Destroyer Captain” recounts his time commanding a similar ship in the mid-1990s. “Suddenly your ship is sinking under you. It’s terrifying.”
Navy leaders on Sunday hailed the efforts of the surviving sailors who struggled to seal off compartments and pump out the water that poured in through gaping holes torn in the starboard side.
“Heroic efforts prevented the flooding from catastrophically spreading, which could have caused the ship to founder or sink,” said Vice Adm. Joseph P. Aucoin, commander of the Navy’s Seventh Fleet. “It could have been much worse.”
With the aid of tugboats, the Fitzgerald returned on Saturday to its home port, the American base at Yokosuka, Japan, south of Tokyo.
As hundreds of anxious spouses, children and fellow sailors waited for word, Navy divers entered flooded compartments below decks and recovered the bodies of seven sailors, according to former Navy officials.
Their names of the seven sailors were announced Sunday evening..
The Navy said the collision inflicted significant damage to the destroyer above and below the water line, flooding berths, a machinery area and the radio room.
Photographs showed the side of the Fitzgerald caved in about one-third of the way back. Among the compartments that flooded were cabins where 116 sailors were sleeping, Admiral Aucoin said.
A collision of a United States Navy ship resulting in fatalities is extremely rare; veteran seamen could recall only a handful in recent decades.
Admiral Aucoin said he would appoint a flag officer — an admiral, vice admiral or rear admiral — to conduct one of several investigations that will seek to establish exactly what happened and to apportion responsibility.
The Navy will conduct a separate safety investigation intended to find lessons on what might be done differently to reduce the risk of such accidents in the future.
The United States Coast Guard will also carry out a marine casualty investigation, Admiral Aucoin said, evidently because the crash involved a commercial ship, the 29,000-ton ACX Crystal, registered in the Philippines.
According to Navy veterans, the main investigation ordered by Admiral Aucoin will compile a minute-by-minute timeline of everything that happened before the collision, probably beginning at the first moment the ACX Crystal appeared on the Fitzgerald’s radar.
Investigators will interview everyone who was on duty that night and assess their training, experience, competence and sleep schedule. They will also assess the performance of the radar, which stores a recorded record like the “black box” on an aircraft.
They will determine whether anyone on the ship’s bridge pulled the collision alarm, a switch that would have caused an extremely loud signal to sound, directing every crew member to rush to their specifically assigned emergency stations on the ship.
“The crew is highly trained in damage control,” Admiral Stavridis said. “That includes fighting fires and fighting flooding.”
The mother of a sailor who survived the collision said her son kept diving to try to save his shipmates until the flooded berth began running out of air pockets, while others — believing the ship was under attack — hurried to man the guns.
Mia Sykes of Raleigh, N.C., told The Associated Press that her son, Brayden Harden, 19, was knocked out of his bunk by the impact. Sykes said her son told her that four men in his berth, including those sleeping on bunks above and below him died, while three died in the berth above his.
The investigators’ attention will be focused in particular on the Fitzgerald’s commander, Cmdr. Bryce Benson, who was in his stateroom on the destroyer’s starboard side when the Crystal’s bow struck right at that point. He was injured and airlifted by a Japanese Coast Guard helicopter to Yokosuka, along with two other crew members, all of whom were conscious, the Navy said.
“His cabin was destroyed. He’s lucky to be alive,” Admiral Aucoin said of Commander Benson, 40, who had commanded the Fitzgerald for a little more than one year.
Before retiring for the night, Cmdr. Benson would have signed routine “night orders,” updating the standing orders he had issued to the entire crew. They would almost certainly have dictated those on watch to wake him if another ship was expected to pass close to the Fitzgerald in the busy shipping lane south of Tokyo.
The fact that he was in his cabin when the collision occurred suggested that there was very little warning before the accident, Navy veterans said.
Some captains include in the night orders a generic admonition, “Call me if you’re in doubt.” Most ask to be awakened if another vessel’s closest point of approach, or C.P.A., is less than a certain set distance.
“My orders were always to call me if the C.P.A. was less than 5,000 yards,” said Bryan McGrath, a national security consultant who commanded a destroyer in the Atlantic between 2004 and 2006.
Such orders, in the kind of ocean traffic in that part of the Pacific, would make for much-interrupted sleep for the captain. But it reflects “the unique status of the captain of a Navy ship in American society — absolute authority, and absolute accountability,” Mr. McGrath said.
“It doesn’t matter if you’re asleep when the collision occurs,” Mr. McGrath said. “Why didn’t the watch standers call you? Were they not trained properly? Ultimately, it’s all your responsibility.”
Sean P. Tortora, a veteran merchant marine captain and consultant, said when he was in control of a ship, he would tell his crew to wake him with a C.P.A. of less than two miles.
“When I train people, I say, ‘Don’t call me up to the bridge to watch a collision,’” Mr. Tortora said.
The 505-foot-long Fitzgerald would have been far more maneuverable than the much heavier and larger Crystal, 730-feet long and loaded with shipping containers.
Several experienced ship commanders said the captain is all but certain to be relieved of command as a result of the accident, according to several experienced captains.
“It’s a terrible, swift sanction, but it sends a message to everyone else in the fleet – make sure you’re training harder, make sure they call you when another ship is approaching,” Mr. McGrath said.
Admiral Stavridis, the former destroyer commander, who is now dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts, said it was too early to speculate about the cause of the collision.
The Fitzgerald, under international maritime rules, would be expected to give the Crystal the right of way because it was on the destroyer’s starboard side when they hit. But Admiral Stavridis said the container ship “may have carried out some bizarre maneuver” before the crash.
Marine traffic records show the Crystal made a series of sharp turns about 25 minutes before the collision, which in crowded seas might conceivably have caused a cascade of maneuvers by other vessels as they tried to avoid one another.
About 400 vessels pass through the shipping lane each day, the Japanese Coast Guard said. Three major accidents have been reported in the area in the past five years, including at least one fatality, said Masayuki Obara, a Coast Guard official.
Whatever the ultimate findings, Admiral Stavridis said, “My heart is really with the captain. He’s got a rough passage ahead, to put it in nautical terms.”
Marc Tuell, who served as a personnel specialist on the Fitzgerald from 2010 to 2013, when he retired from the Navy, said it was deeply disturbing to watch the video of the damaged ship being towed to port in Japan.
“I was putting myself in the mind-set of what the crew is going through,” said Mr. Tuell, of Deltona, Fla., who now works at a Toyota dealer. “It’s pretty heart wrenching, having walked those decks for three years.
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You made 60k a year when you were 31? I can't believe someone is worse than bottomset at bragging about what they make.