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he's gonna have to grind the tables live again like the rest of us.
LMK how that 40/80 at the commerce is
The only hope we have is if the sports betting fish we play against complain that they want a one stop shop with poker included and Bovada loses some action to sites that have this instead of separating the poker from the sports betting site.
LOL at them saying it was acquired by Ignition Casino which they own. They are fooling nobody:
https://www.ignitioncasino.eu
RIP Bovada as we know it without tons of sports betting goons losing on there. If Bodog is the same pool of players without this happening then we will get a few donators still but it won't be the same.
It looks as if the new site has some hefty fees for cashouts unless you use bitcoin. Some people on 2+2 are saying it's 3k max for bitcoin withdrawals which hopefully isn't the case but if it is then that makes this transition even more fucked.
Not really sure what I'll do at this point except nothing until next month since we have until September 30th and I could give two shits about a welcome free roll ticket to migrate over early.
Use all your Bovada poker points asap because for everyone who does go over they aren't transferable which is a bunch of shit because the company owners are clearly the same.
I don't see anything about segregated player pools anywhere. Can someone link me to something Bovada said about segregating pools.
In any event even if they did RINGFENCE USA players then that would not be a bad thing for USA players IMO.
Lastly, this is probably just another renaming thing like when they went from Bodog to Bovada and now it is Ignition.
Its interesting because they claim Ignition uses the same platform but there is a lot of wiggle room there regarding whether or not they are going to maintain anonymous players etc.
Because IIRC thats literally the only reason Druff plays there, and I doubt hes alone in that opinion.
the only reason he plays on bovada is because it's anonymous? Why would anyone want to play on anonymous if there are no fish/whales? I think most people tolerate the anonymous shit cus the games are good
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Originally Posted by big dick
No one will sit with him, hes a legit winning player apparently.
Being anonymous allows him to sit in ripe games without spooking the action.
Im sure there are other reasons eg cashing in/out, US availability, but IIRC the crown jewel was no one can make him for a long term winner at the tables.
Actually on second thought, this is going to be very bad possibly
Because most of the donators are probably sportsbook guys. And after September 30th they are going to have to deposit specifically for poker on ignition to play poker.
Somehow my mind skipped past that when I read the email.
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Makes sense. thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by big dick
No one will sit with him, hes a legit winning player apparently.
Being anonymous allows him to sit in ripe games without spooking the action.
Im sure there are other reasons eg cashing in/out, US availability, but IIRC the crown jewel was no one can make him for a long term winner at the tables.
One other question, Does Ignition have a casino/sportsbook?
They are offering a $10 cash bonus now I see but at 1250 points which is LOL. Points typically have a 1 cent value for tourney tickets and a little better of a rate for sports which have a 3x roll over.
We are going to need a call from Chico Loco to Ignition Casino on radio this week to get the scoop on the changes, max you can deposit, max cashout, etc...
New Article up on calvinayre.com is very vague. The writer makes it sound as if Bovada don't own this Ignition Casino but they ain't fooling me.
http://calvinayre.com/2016/08/09/pok...-bovada-poker/
No sportsbook, and video poker/slots for the casino.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinamaniac
I actually predict Bovada to move a good portion of the online casino offering over to ignition within the next 2 years or so.
A bit off topic but they had a segment about online gaming / poker on CNBC today which Jason Somerville was on.
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000541764
I thought Jason spoke well but that hair makes him lose credibility.
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I actually have mixed feelings about the anonymous tables. I like how they allow me to forget about who I'm playing and concentrate on pure poker. I sometimes ran into problems playing my best against players who were historically lucky or successful against me. Now I can't see who's who, so I play the same against everyone (until I adjust to them at the specific table from things I observe of their playstyle).
Of course the downside to anon tables is the inability to immediately spot good games (or huge fish at the table), as well as the inability to detect cheating/superusing.
But the main two reasons I play there:
1) Sportsbook and casino fish in poker games
2) Reliable cashouts for fairly large amounts of money
So #1 is going away completely, and #2 is reducing.
Bad, bad, bad.
This might be the end of decent/good limit holdem games online in the US market.
The only hope I see for the games remaining good is if they recruit new fish from other markets, such as China, and don't ringfence the US players from them.
The only confirmation we have right now is that Bovada will be separating its sportsbook and casino from the poker, and the poker will be a separate site called Ignition (which pretends to be a separate company, but isn't).
So fucking standard. These religious fucks make me sickQuote:
Apparently it's going to be u.s players only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I keep seeing people say that, but where is the source for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickApparently it's going to be u.s players only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I called bovada and that is what the cs guy told me. Who knows though.
This is a fucking disaster
onlinepokerreport says this:
http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/218...nition-casino/Quote:
The Ignition Casino poker page lists the same poker promotions as Bovada and its closely related site Bodog. Currently Bovada and Bodog share the same online poker player pool and it looks like this arrangement is set to continue.
The Bovada brand accepts US players, and will continue to do so under Ignition, whereas the Bodog brand is primarily used for Asian customers.
The above is poorly written, but I think it's trying to say that Ignition will continue to share players with Bodog.
That will at least help the games somewhat, given Bodog's aggressive marketing to Asia, where there are more fish than sharks.
Still, even if true, I have to imagine that the games will seriously go downhill and there will be less of them.
The games I've been playing in the summer are significantly tougher than the ones during NFL season.
The prevailing belief for the reason of the separation is that Bovada is tired of the fish losing their rolls in poker too quickly, which actually translates into a net loss for them.
Take this example:
Freddy Fish deposits $500 onto Bovada, and sits down at 30/60 limit holdem.
I beat Freddy on two consecutive hands and bust him. The rake is $3 each hand, so Bovada raked a whopping $6 on Freddy's deposit.
But they didn't even make $6! That's because I'm a winning player, and I am likely to cash that money out at some point soon (along with other money I've won), and they have to pay cashout fees on that.
So they actually lose money on Freddy, and they don't like that.
There is also very little upside to Freddy playing poker. Even if he goes on a heater and wins, he is still dead money, and will lose it all back very soon, if not the same night. Occasionally Freddy might take his winnings and lose it in the casino or sportsbook, but that probably isn't common. The reverse (Freddy losing his entire deposit quickly, while the money barely gets raked) is probably MUCH more the occurrence.
However, if Freddy deposits in the sportsbook or casino, he likely loses all $500 to Bovada, definitely making it worth their while. Yes, there are rare cases where Freddy hits a jackpot in the casino and cashes out, or goes on a hot run in sports and cashes out, but that is the exception. In most cases, they get his entire $500.
That's what they want.
And as far as poker goes, if it's mainly winners with existing balances on there trading money back and forth, that's ideal for Bovada (errrr..... I mean Ignition), too.
Bovada likes it when I play Pete Pokerpro heads up, because regardless of who wins, they're raking the game and one of the two of us is cashing out that money anyway.
They hate it when I play Freddy Fish, though.
So that's what this is likely about. They want the poker product to succeed or fail on its own, not succeed at the expense of the sportsbook and casino, which it has done for a long time.
They've probably had a hard time quantifying whether the poker room has been a net positive or net negative for them (and if a net positive, it's hard to tell how much), so this is their way of protecting the golden goose (sports, casino) while separating out the questionable asset.
Of course, they are risking the possibility that the removal of the poker product will kill their overall appeal to players (both recreational and pro), as right now it's a one-stop-shop for all gambling, and soon it won't be that anymore.
However, I don't think this is as "stupid" as it appears, and in fact might be the right move business-wise.
Rather than dumping poker completely, they are separating it and making it stand on its own two feet. And if it can't, they will likely mercifully put it down like an old horse that can't run anymore.
Games are def worse in the summer than during nfl season. They start to get really good early-mid october. 4 table cap is a big part of the reason games stay pretty good along with the sb fish.
I just called ignition and they told me it's the same player pool as bodog.His their number 1-855-370-0600 if anyone wants to call them and ask questions.
I hav to agree with druff on this one(rare) they are just seperating the poker players from the sb fish and will just shut down poker 100% ifn they aren't making enough money @ 'ignition"
today is a sad fucking day.
Bovada is also not accepting new players as of today.
this sucks
What do you mean by this exactly?Doesn't everyone who has a bovada account have to xfer over to this ignition site?And if they don't already have one don't they have to open up an ignition acct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
Ok I just went over to Ignitions site and it says IGNITION CASINO has acquired Bovada Poker.. So am I missing something this looks like they are gonna have casino and sports betting at all if so then I don't see the huge downside everybody is claiming.. Should we not see the same kind of casino/sports donks dumping money into poker on Ignition that we do on Bovada?? The Casino gaming is already live they gave me free money for poker and casino just to sign up plus 100% match on BTC deposits... My guess is Sportsbook betting is coming as well..
Ya its Ignition Casino so I think the drop off will not be as big as it is being made out to be. They will still have the base of asian degens in the games making it still the best facing US option. If they don't have a sportsbook it might hurt slightly but we don't even know if that will be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by ftpjesus
Bovada in the FAQ stated they are not accepting new poker customers at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickWhat do you mean by this exactly?Doesn't everyone who has a bovada account have to xfer over to this ignition site?And if they don't already have one don't they have to open up an ignition acct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shizzmoney
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Are you accepting new poker players?
Unfortunately Bovada isn’t accepting new poker players at this time and the 100% Poker Welcome Bonus won’t be issued to players whom make their first deposit after August 9.
You are still eligible to receive the Sports and Casino Welcome bonuses which can be found in our promotions section.
Perfect timing for this really. Just reloaded last night and was prepping to get back to a steady online grind. Fuck it, guess I'll just put it all on black #yolo
R.I.P. bodog
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In other news, 49 year old R. Kelly is dating a 19 year old.
at least it's legal this time...Quote:
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In other news, 49 year old R. Kelly is dating a 19 year old.