I officially hate Dana White now

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05-29-2012, 07:15 AM
shortbuspoker

I officially hate Dana White now

They've "banned" Jason Miller from the UFC for being to flashy outside the ring. I would be alright with it if he said it was because Mayhem dropped his first two fights since returning to the octagon, but to let him go for trying to bring some showmanship is just wrong. He knew when he signed Mayhem that he was getting a fighter who was going to go out and shamelessly self promote and try to entertain the fans. I guess if he was a champion he could get away with whatever he wanted.

http://www.inquisitr.com/243511/ufc-...r-dumb-bullst/

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“Mayhem’s done. He’s gone,” while adding that the incident that led to his firing was “just some bulls–t that I don’t want to talk about. We’re on a crazy string here of dumb bulls–t.”

Miller began his career in the UFC but eventually moved over to Strikeforce before returning to the UFC after he spent some time coaching on The Ultimate Fighter.

Speaking about Jason Miller’s playful entrances to the UFC Octagon Dana White said of his Saturday entrance:

“When you get embarrassed the way he did against Michael Bisping, then you show up in that pink whatever that thing was, I’m not into that stuff. It’s not my thing. I guess I don’t really care if guys do it because you see it at weigh-ins all the time. Just take this thing serious. If you want to be a clown do that stuff on your reality show.”
05-29-2012, 07:28 AM
gut

obviously there's more to this story. Dana knows what makes him money, and its not getting boring dudes from Iowa who know how to fight. Lesnar pulled some WWE-type heel shit when he first joined, and Dana was fine with that.

Or, maybe he just will deal with bs if you're a winning fighter.
05-29-2012, 07:37 AM
PLOL

Wait, he's a guy and his name is Dana?
05-29-2012, 08:11 AM
FPS_Russia

I think Dana's cool as hell and Mayhem Miller is washed up and the most annoying dude ever. Butthurt over Mayhem Miller GTFO with that weak azz shiz.

I hope Dana steps up and "really" tries to get the sport PED free. I think Lorenzo uses PED's and so he may be a PED use sympathizer.

Anywho here's a vid of Dana talking about his meniere's disease and how he's going to get surgery that will require him to relearn how to walk etc.
I think there's a divide between Dana and Lorenzo on PED's check this vid out starting at the 16 min mark, he really calls out Overeem hard for being a fucking liar. Whole vids good imo but the start talking about his disease and the 16 min mark are the most interesting imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1QLitr1HZg
05-29-2012, 08:52 AM
peter mcneil

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Originally Posted by gut

obviously there's more to this story. Dana knows what makes him money, and its not getting boring dudes from Iowa who know how to fight. Lesnar pulled some WWE-type heel shit when he first joined, and Dana was fine with that.

Or, maybe he just will deal with bs if you're a winning fighter.

Dana was not fine with Brock's WWE shit at all, he ripped him in a new one publicly and Brock said it was worse privately. You'll notice Brock never had another incident like that again in the UFC. The difference between Brock and Miller is that Brock was a huge draw and relevant as a fighter, Miller has looked fucking horrible in his first 2 fights and has no business in the UFC anymore. It's not like the UFC didn't do him any favors, they let him coach a season of TUF and gave him a legit top 10 guy to fight and then an opportunity to beat a struggling UFC guy to keep his spot on the roster. Miller is a washed up fighter, glad to see him gone from the UFC.

THe incident that Dana is referring to was Miller wanting to wear a gas mask out to the ring under the painted mask he had on. On the way out to the ring he was asked by a UFC staffer not to wear the mask, that it's not an image the UFC is comfortable with and Miller made a huge stink and threw a fit before proceeding to go out and look like shit against fucking CB Dolloway. Miller and Dana both admit they've bumped heads since he came over to the UFC. Knowing all that, why would the UFC possibly keep Miller? He cant fight worth a shit anymore and he's a problem behind the scenes.
05-29-2012, 09:25 AM
sonatine

uh they banned him for throwing shit at cb dollaway & corner while screaming at the NSAC staff backstage.

miller fucked himself out a job. yawn, next.
05-29-2012, 10:43 AM
peter mcneil

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Originally Posted by sonatine

uh they banned him for throwing shit at cb dollaway & corner while screaming at the NSAC staff backstage.

miller fucked himself out a job. yawn, next.

not saying this is wrong, think he was getting the punt incident or not. Is there a link that that this is what happened? Miller was on Ariel's podcast yesterday and said that is all bs, that there was absolutely no incident with CB or his corner that the only incident was the pre fight gas mask one. Miller could be lying but why would he when he knows this would all come out anyway.

http://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/2012/...m-done-for-now
05-29-2012, 06:41 PM
SixToedPete

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

They've "banned" Jason Miller from the UFC for being to flashy outside the ring. I would be alright with it if he said it was because Mayhem dropped his first two fights since returning to the octagon, but to let him go for trying to bring some showmanship is just wrong. He knew when he signed Mayhem that he was getting a fighter who was going to go out and shamelessly self promote and try to entertain the fans. I guess if he was a champion he could get away with whatever he wanted.

http://www.inquisitr.com/243511/ufc-...r-dumb-bullst/

Quote:

“Mayhem’s done. He’s gone,” while adding that the incident that led to his firing was “just some bulls–t that I don’t want to talk about. We’re on a crazy string here of dumb bulls–t.”

Miller began his career in the UFC but eventually moved over to Strikeforce before returning to the UFC after he spent some time coaching on The Ultimate Fighter.

Speaking about Jason Miller’s playful entrances to the UFC Octagon Dana White said of his Saturday entrance:

“When you get embarrassed the way he did against Michael Bisping, then you show up in that pink whatever that thing was, I’m not into that stuff. It’s not my thing. I guess I don’t really care if guys do it because you see it at weigh-ins all the time. Just take this thing serious. If you want to be a clown do that stuff on your reality show.”

I agree with you. Even though Dana White has given Mayem Miller some great opportunities (two fights plus TUF coaching job), I feel White went too far dissing then firing Miller after UFC 146.

Mayhem said he wanted to wear the military gas mask during his walkout to recognize the Troops. He was never told not to wear it until he started his walk to the ring. Why fuck with a fighter's focus moments before a fight? Anyway, Miller said he removed it and there was not a big commotion.

Miller almost won that fight against C. B. Dollaway. He hurt him twice with solid strikes. That one judge scored it 30-26 was a travesty. Unfortunately, Mayhem blew his knee out during training (Jason actually dropped to canvas when it gave way during fight) and could not neutralize Dollaway's excellent wrestling with only one good leg.

Dana White gave Dan Hardy chance after chance after chance even though Hardy kept losing. Mayhem Miller suffers two losses then gets fired. Not fair at all but Dana's the plantation overseer and rarely tolerates a UFC field hand who doesn't walk the straight and narrow.

Also, Mayem announced that he would retire if he couldn't defeat C. B. Dolaway. During the Ariel Helwani interview Jason admitted he 'retired' after the loss and seemed genuinely surprised when Ariel told him Dana had cut him. Jason dealt with it well and said he would pursue other 'adventures'.

I like Mayhem. He's funny, intelligent, irreverent and a very good fighter. His outlandish behavior sold that fight. No one showed up or tuned in to watch C. B. Dolaway.

More hypocrisy from Dana White:

UFC ring girl Arianny Celeste was arrested today in Las Vegas on domestic battery charges.

Celeste, real name Arianny Lopez, was brought in to the Clark County Detention Center at around 7:30 this morning. She was released later on $3000 bond. Celeste has not commented on her arrest yet.

UFC president Dana White told TMZ:

“Arianny is our baby. She has been with us for over five years. She is a good girl and an amazing ambassador for UFC. I don’t know all the details of what happened but we have her back and support her 100%.”

Source

Arrested with $3000 bond....Dana supports her 100%

Wear a pink boa.......You're fired!
05-30-2012, 02:35 AM
peter mcneil

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Originally Posted by SixToedPete

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

They've "banned" Jason Miller from the UFC for being to flashy outside the ring. I would be alright with it if he said it was because Mayhem dropped his first two fights since returning to the octagon, but to let him go for trying to bring some showmanship is just wrong. He knew when he signed Mayhem that he was getting a fighter who was going to go out and shamelessly self promote and try to entertain the fans. I guess if he was a champion he could get away with whatever he wanted.

http://www.inquisitr.com/243511/ufc-...r-dumb-bullst/

I agree with you. Even though Dana White has given Mayem Miller some great opportunities (two fights plus TUF coaching job), I feel White went too far dissing then firing Miller after UFC 146.

Mayhem said he wanted to wear the military gas mask during his walkout to recognize the Troops. He was never told not to wear it until he started his walk to the ring. Why fuck with a fighter's focus moments before a fight? Anyway, Miller said he removed it and there was not a big commotion.

Miller almost won that fight against C. B. Dollaway. He hurt him twice with solid strikes. That one judge scored it 30-26 was a travesty. Unfortunately, Mayhem blew his knee out during training (Jason actually dropped to canvas when it gave way during fight) and could not neutralize Dollaway's excellent wrestling with only one good leg.

Dana White gave Dan Hardy chance after chance after chance even though Hardy kept losing. Mayhem Miller suffers two losses then gets fired. Not fair at all but Dana's the plantation overseer and rarely tolerates a UFC field hand who doesn't walk the straight and narrow.

Also, Mayem announced that he would retire if he couldn't defeat C. B. Dolaway. During the Ariel Helwani interview Jason admitted he 'retired' after the loss and seemed genuinely surprised when Ariel told him Dana had cut him. Jason dealt with it well and said he would pursue other 'adventures'.

I like Mayhem. He's funny, intelligent, irreverent and a very good fighter. His outlandish behavior sold that fight. No one showed up or tuned in to watch C. B. Dolaway.

More hypocrisy from Dana White:

UFC ring girl Arianny Celeste was arrested today in Las Vegas on domestic battery charges.

Celeste, real name Arianny Lopez, was brought in to the Clark County Detention Center at around 7:30 this morning. She was released later on $3000 bond. Celeste has not commented on her arrest yet.

UFC president Dana White told TMZ:

“Arianny is our baby. She has been with us for over five years. She is a good girl and an amazing ambassador for UFC. I don’t know all the details of what happened but we have her back and support her 100%.”

Source

Arrested with $3000 bond....Dana supports her 100%

Wear a pink boa.......You're fired!

Miller conceded in the post that I linked that he didnt ok the gas mask with the UFC staff which is expected when wearing anything out of the ordinary for a ring entrance. Dana commented on this today and stated that Miller was pretty verbally abusive with the staffer who asked him not to wear it and caused a big scene, in that interview Miller kinda seemed to downplay the incident and he didnt say there was no big commotion, he admitted he had a problem with it. Top that off with two very shitty fights, one which was totally embarrassing and there is no reason for Miller to stay in the UFC. Whether the incident happened or not Miller doesnt belong in the UFC, he hasnt had a single good perfomance there in his life and has been given a handful of fights. BTW - I love Miller, enjoyed him a ton on his season of TUF and think he's a great character but he simply isnt a good enough fighter to stay in the UFC 'almot beating CB Dollaway' is exactly what should get a fighter punted from the UFC after that embarrassing performance he put on against Bisping. Miller should move into commentary or try to line up some none related MMA type show, he's good tv, he just doesnt make any sense for the UFC to have in their organization.

Hardy is staying in the UFC because he's constantly involved in fight of the nights and has a winning UFC record, Miller has never won a single fight or been close to a fight of the night type performance. GSP mopped the floor with him when he was young in his career at 170, He was an absolute embarrassment against Bisping, had no gas and looked like something out of a tough man competition and he lost to CB Dollaway, fucking CB Dollaway. Can you think of any other UFC fighter who started their career with the promotion 0-3 and still had a roster spot? Especially after losing a fight to a guy who is lucky to be with the organization and will never be more than an undercard guy? Hardy has put on some terrific performances, knocked some solid competition out and most importantly he is great for the business and the UFC's push into England. CB is lucky to have a spot in on the roster still, anybody losing to him has no place in the UFC. If miller was to stay what the fuck do they even do with him? Who should he fight? Miller also has a history of causing problems in fight organization, he was the center of the live tv embarrassment with the Diaz bros, which he was suspended for and he had that horrible campaign to try to get a fight with Diaz. Dana seems to reward loyalty to the UFC, long term staff and fighters. I think him giving Arianny a pass on this is just fine, I don't even know how its comparable to wanting a problematic over the hill fighter at all.
05-30-2012, 07:38 AM
Jasep

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Originally Posted by peter mcneil

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Originally Posted by SixToedPete

I agree with you. Even though Dana White has given Mayem Miller some great opportunities (two fights plus TUF coaching job), I feel White went too far dissing then firing Miller after UFC 146.

Mayhem said he wanted to wear the military gas mask during his walkout to recognize the Troops. He was never told not to wear it until he started his walk to the ring. Why fuck with a fighter's focus moments before a fight? Anyway, Miller said he removed it and there was not a big commotion.

Miller almost won that fight against C. B. Dollaway. He hurt him twice with solid strikes. That one judge scored it 30-26 was a travesty. Unfortunately, Mayhem blew his knee out during training (Jason actually dropped to canvas when it gave way during fight) and could not neutralize Dollaway's excellent wrestling with only one good leg.

Dana White gave Dan Hardy chance after chance after chance even though Hardy kept losing. Mayhem Miller suffers two losses then gets fired. Not fair at all but Dana's the plantation overseer and rarely tolerates a UFC field hand who doesn't walk the straight and narrow.

Also, Mayem announced that he would retire if he couldn't defeat C. B. Dolaway. During the Ariel Helwani interview Jason admitted he 'retired' after the loss and seemed genuinely surprised when Ariel told him Dana had cut him. Jason dealt with it well and said he would pursue other 'adventures'.

I like Mayhem. He's funny, intelligent, irreverent and a very good fighter. His outlandish behavior sold that fight. No one showed up or tuned in to watch C. B. Dolaway.

More hypocrisy from Dana White:

UFC ring girl Arianny Celeste was arrested today in Las Vegas on domestic battery charges.

Celeste, real name Arianny Lopez, was brought in to the Clark County Detention Center at around 7:30 this morning. She was released later on $3000 bond. Celeste has not commented on her arrest yet.

UFC president Dana White told TMZ:

“Arianny is our baby. She has been with us for over five years. She is a good girl and an amazing ambassador for UFC. I don’t know all the details of what happened but we have her back and support her 100%.”

Source

Arrested with $3000 bond....Dana supports her 100%

Wear a pink boa.......You're fired!

Miller conceded in the post that I linked that he didnt ok the gas mask with the UFC staff which is expected when wearing anything out of the ordinary for a ring entrance. Dana commented on this today and stated that Miller was pretty verbally abusive with the staffer who asked him not to wear it and caused a big scene, in that interview Miller kinda seemed to downplay the incident and he didnt say there was no big commotion, he admitted he had a problem with it. Top that off with two very shitty fights, one which was totally embarrassing and there is no reason for Miller to stay in the UFC. Whether the incident happened or not Miller doesnt belong in the UFC, he hasnt had a single good perfomance there in his life and has been given a handful of fights. BTW - I love Miller, enjoyed him a ton on his season of TUF and think he's a great character but he simply isnt a good enough fighter to stay in the UFC 'almot beating CB Dollaway' is exactly what should get a fighter punted from the UFC after that embarrassing performance he put on against Bisping. Miller should move into commentary or try to line up some none related MMA type show, he's good tv, he just doesnt make any sense for the UFC to have in their organization.

Hardy is staying in the UFC because he's constantly involved in fight of the nights and has a winning UFC record, Miller has never won a single fight or been close to a fight of the night type performance. GSP mopped the floor with him when he was young in his career at 170, He was an absolute embarrassment against Bisping, had no gas and looked like something out of a tough man competition and he lost to CB Dollaway, fucking CB Dollaway. Can you think of any other UFC fighter who started their career with the promotion 0-3 and still had a roster spot? Especially after losing a fight to a guy who is lucky to be with the organization and will never be more than an undercard guy? Hardy has put on some terrific performances, knocked some solid competition out and most importantly he is great for the business and the UFC's push into England. CB is lucky to have a spot in on the roster still, anybody losing to him has no place in the UFC. If miller was to stay what the fuck do they even do with him? Who should he fight? Miller also has a history of causing problems in fight organization, he was the center of the live tv embarrassment with the Diaz bros, which he was suspended for and he had that horrible campaign to try to get a fight with Diaz. Dana seems to reward loyalty to the UFC, long term staff and fighters. I think him giving Arianny a pass on this is just fine, I don't even know how its comparable to wanting a problematic over the hill fighter at all.

:this

I was just about to write the same thing
05-30-2012, 09:28 AM
sonatine

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Originally Posted by peter mcneil

Whether the incident happened or not Miller doesnt belong in the UFC, he hasnt had a single good perfomance there in his life and has been given a handful of fights.

I take some exception with this... not much but some.

GSP was an apex predator by the time Miller fought him, and Miller turned in an extremely game performance given who he was fighting.

His performance against Bisping was terrible, no argument, but my only beef with Miller for the Dollaway fight was showing up crippled. Dollaway disgraced himself considerably harder than Miller as I see it; Dollaway had no excuses for what was really a laughable display of blanketry in between getting his mush popped by someone who couldnt even move fast enough to catch him as he fish danced away.

Dana is a bit of a bully. He picks and chooses who he wants repping the franchise and his criteria are really quite arbitrary. Hes _never_ liked Miller.

Im not sure what my point is here honestly.. Miller clearly sank his own boat, but I think if you subtract his personality and his antics outside the cage, a fourth fight in the UFC (and the third since coaching TUF) would have been justified, especially if it was on the undercard.
05-30-2012, 10:01 AM
Jasep

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by peter mcneil

Whether the incident happened or not Miller doesnt belong in the UFC, he hasnt had a single good perfomance there in his life and has been given a handful of fights.

I take some exception with this... not much but some.

GSP was an apex predator by the time Miller fought him, and Miller turned in an extremely game performance given who he was fighting.

His performance against Bisping was terrible, no argument, but my only beef with Miller for the Dollaway fight was showing up crippled. Dollaway disgraced himself considerably harder than Miller as I see it; Dollaway had no excuses for what was really a laughable display of blanketry in between getting his mush popped by someone who couldnt even move fast enough to catch him as he fish danced away.

Dana is a bit of a bully. He picks and chooses who he wants repping the franchise and his criteria are really quite arbitrary. Hes _never_ liked Miller.

Im not sure what my point is here honestly.. Miller clearly sank his own boat, but I think if you subtract his personality and his antics outside the cage, a fourth fight in the UFC (and the third since coaching TUF) would have been justified, especially if it was on the undercard.

I will give you the GSP loss and even the Dolloway/Knee situation as mulligans, but honestly, based on the amount of shit talked to performance given in the Bisping fight ratio that would probably be enough. Guys can lose fights and keep their job, Dan Hardy is the prime example of this, but when you talk the amount of shit that Miller talks, Showboat like he does and then perform how he performs then it's time to be shown the door...

He knew that the CB fight was a career changer for him, so instead of focusing on weigh-in shenanigans, gas mask stuff etc, maybe buckle down (or pull out for injury) and focus on winning the most important fight of his career against a gate keepers gate keeper.

Maybe if Miller came in injured and fought his heart out and actually showed that he took the fight more serious than his persona than maybe he would be given a third post TUF opponent.
05-30-2012, 10:36 AM
sonatine

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Originally Posted by Jasep

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Originally Posted by sonatine

I take some exception with this... not much but some.

GSP was an apex predator by the time Miller fought him, and Miller turned in an extremely game performance given who he was fighting.

His performance against Bisping was terrible, no argument, but my only beef with Miller for the Dollaway fight was showing up crippled. Dollaway disgraced himself considerably harder than Miller as I see it; Dollaway had no excuses for what was really a laughable display of blanketry in between getting his mush popped by someone who couldnt even move fast enough to catch him as he fish danced away.

Dana is a bit of a bully. He picks and chooses who he wants repping the franchise and his criteria are really quite arbitrary. Hes _never_ liked Miller.

Im not sure what my point is here honestly.. Miller clearly sank his own boat, but I think if you subtract his personality and his antics outside the cage, a fourth fight in the UFC (and the third since coaching TUF) would have been justified, especially if it was on the undercard.

I will give you the GSP loss and even the Dolloway/Knee situation as mulligans, but honestly, based on the amount of shit talked to performance given in the Bisping fight ratio that would probably be enough. Guys can lose fights and keep their job, Dan Hardy is the prime example of this, but when you talk the amount of shit that Miller talks, Showboat like he does and then perform how he performs then it's time to be shown the door...

He knew that the CB fight was a career changer for him, so instead of focusing on weigh-in shenanigans, gas mask stuff etc, maybe buckle down (or pull out for injury) and focus on winning the most important fight of his career against a gate keepers gate keeper.

Maybe if Miller came in injured and fought his heart out and actually showed that he took the fight more serious than his persona than maybe he would be given a third post TUF opponent.

Yeah I mean, I cant argue with any of this. As they say, I dont have a horse in this race. Miller needed a good sports shrink about 2 careers ago, around the time he crawled through his ex-girlfriends window in Hawaii while drunk and got pinned down in a pool of his own tears by her new boyfriend before being carted off to jail.

But the dude did good work in various orgs, hes a huge name with cross over cultural appeal, and generally speaking *could* have been cultivated to the benefit of all if Dana didnt have one of his infamous Axes To Grind.
05-30-2012, 11:01 AM
shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Jasep

I will give you the GSP loss and even the Dolloway/Knee situation as mulligans, but honestly, based on the amount of shit talked to performance given in the Bisping fight ratio that would probably be enough. Guys can lose fights and keep their job, Dan Hardy is the prime example of this, but when you talk the amount of shit that Miller talks, Showboat like he does and then perform how he performs then it's time to be shown the door...

At that rate Rashad should have been shown the door after phoning it in against Phil Davis and getting out classed by Jones.
05-30-2012, 11:03 AM
NaturalBornHustler

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Originally Posted by Jasep

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Originally Posted by peter mcneil

Miller conceded in the post that I linked that he didnt ok the gas mask with the UFC staff which is expected when wearing anything out of the ordinary for a ring entrance. Dana commented on this today and stated that Miller was pretty verbally abusive with the staffer who asked him not to wear it and caused a big scene, in that interview Miller kinda seemed to downplay the incident and he didnt say there was no big commotion, he admitted he had a problem with it. Top that off with two very shitty fights, one which was totally embarrassing and there is no reason for Miller to stay in the UFC. Whether the incident happened or not Miller doesnt belong in the UFC, he hasnt had a single good perfomance there in his life and has been given a handful of fights. BTW - I love Miller, enjoyed him a ton on his season of TUF and think he's a great character but he simply isnt a good enough fighter to stay in the UFC 'almot beating CB Dollaway' is exactly what should get a fighter punted from the UFC after that embarrassing performance he put on against Bisping. Miller should move into commentary or try to line up some none related MMA type show, he's good tv, he just doesnt make any sense for the UFC to have in their organization.

Hardy is staying in the UFC because he's constantly involved in fight of the nights and has a winning UFC record, Miller has never won a single fight or been close to a fight of the night type performance. GSP mopped the floor with him when he was young in his career at 170, He was an absolute embarrassment against Bisping, had no gas and looked like something out of a tough man competition and he lost to CB Dollaway, fucking CB Dollaway. Can you think of any other UFC fighter who started their career with the promotion 0-3 and still had a roster spot? Especially after losing a fight to a guy who is lucky to be with the organization and will never be more than an undercard guy? Hardy has put on some terrific performances, knocked some solid competition out and most importantly he is great for the business and the UFC's push into England. CB is lucky to have a spot in on the roster still, anybody losing to him has no place in the UFC. If miller was to stay what the fuck do they even do with him? Who should he fight? Miller also has a history of causing problems in fight organization, he was the center of the live tv embarrassment with the Diaz bros, which he was suspended for and he had that horrible campaign to try to get a fight with Diaz. Dana seems to reward loyalty to the UFC, long term staff and fighters. I think him giving Arianny a pass on this is just fine, I don't even know how its comparable to wanting a problematic over the hill fighter at all.

:this

I was just about to write the same thing

So was I.
05-30-2012, 11:07 AM
Jasep

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Jasep

I will give you the GSP loss and even the Dolloway/Knee situation as mulligans, but honestly, based on the amount of shit talked to performance given in the Bisping fight ratio that would probably be enough. Guys can lose fights and keep their job, Dan Hardy is the prime example of this, but when you talk the amount of shit that Miller talks, Showboat like he does and then perform how he performs then it's time to be shown the door...

At that rate Rashad should have been shown the door after phoning it in against Phil Davis and getting out classed by Jones.

Rashad has something Miller does not... A successful, winning UFC record... He has Highlight Reel Knocks, Big name victories, a TUF Title and is a former LHW Champion... That dude can showboat, etc because he earned it in the UFC. Miller is 0-3 in the UFC, therefore he has not earned shit.
05-30-2012, 11:16 AM
shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Jasep

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

At that rate Rashad should have been shown the door after phoning it in against Phil Davis and getting out classed by Jones.

Rashad has something Miller does not... A successful, winning UFC record... He has Highlight Reel Knocks, Big name victories, a TUF Title and is a former LHW Champion... That dude can showboat, etc because he earned it in the UFC. Miller is 0-3 in the UFC, therefore he has not earned shit.

Ok he beat Forrest for the title almost four years ago. Before that all he did of note was beat a washed up Chuck Lidell and would have lost to Tito "the only person I can beat is Ken Shamrock" Ortiz had there not been a point deducted for grabbing the fence. He got demolished by Machida in his title defense, decisioned Thiago, squeaked by a Rampage that didn't seem to give a shit, and then beat the same washed up Ortiz. He then proceeded to throw the biggest hissy fit in the history of mma when he left Jakcson's campp because Jones had the audacity to take the championship bought when Rashad got hurt.

My original point still stands that Dana did not base his decision on in ring performance but instead on his personal opinion of Miller. No doubt Dana is embarrassed that he gave Mayhem the contract and a push on Tuf and now feels let down.

p.s. Let's not forget his highlight head kick ko of a fighter who has admitted to giving up in fights and looking for a way out. Matt Hughes called it right the first time he saw Rashad fight on Tuf.
05-30-2012, 11:31 AM
sonatine

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Rashad has something Miller does not... A successful, winning UFC record... He has Highlight Reel Knocks, Big name victories, a TUF Title and is a former LHW Champion... That dude can showboat, etc because he earned it in the UFC. Miller is 0-3 in the UFC, therefore he has not earned shit.

Ok he beat Forrest for the title almost four years ago. Before that all he did of note was beat a washed up Chuck Lidell and would have lost to Tito "the only person I can beat is Ken Shamrock" Ortiz had there not been a point deducted for grabbing the fence. He got demolished by Machida in his title defense, decisioned Thiago, squeaked by a Rampage that didn't seem to give a shit, and then beat the same washed up Ortiz. He then proceeded to throw the biggest hissy fit in the history of mma when he left Jakcson's campp because Jones had the audacity to take the championship bought when Rashad got hurt.

My original point still stands that Dana did not base his decision on in ring performance but instead on his personal opinion of Miller. No doubt Dana is embarrassed that he gave Mayhem the contract and a push on Tuf and now feels let down.

p.s. Let's not forget his highlight head kick ko of a fighter who has admitted to giving up in fights and looking for a way out. Matt Hughes called it right the first time he saw Rashad fight on Tuf.

Your mistake is polarizing the event; Miller is as much to blame as Dana. Perhaps no more and no less.
05-30-2012, 11:32 AM
Jasep

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Originally Posted by Jasep

Rashad has something Miller does not... A successful, winning UFC record... He has Highlight Reel Knocks, Big name victories, a TUF Title and is a former LHW Champion... That dude can showboat, etc because he earned it in the UFC. Miller is 0-3 in the UFC, therefore he has not earned shit.

Ok he beat Forrest for the title almost four years ago. Before that all he did of note was beat a washed up Chuck Lidell and would have lost to Tito "the only person I can beat is Ken Shamrock" Ortiz had there not been a point deducted for grabbing the fence. He got demolished by Machida in his title defense, decisioned Thiago, squeaked by a Rampage that didn't seem to give a shit, and then beat the same washed up Ortiz. He then proceeded to throw the biggest hissy fit in the history of mma when he left Jakcson's campp because Jones had the audacity to take the championship bought when Rashad got hurt.

My original point still stands that Dana did not base his decision on in ring performance but instead on his personal opinion of Miller. No doubt Dana is embarrassed that he gave Mayhem the contract and a push on Tuf and now feels let down.

p.s. Let's not forget his highlight head kick ko of a fighter who has admitted to giving up in fights and looking for a way out. Matt Hughes called it right the first time he saw Rashad fight on Tuf.

I mean, I'm not a huge Rashad fan, but you mentioned yourself he has wins over Rampage, Griffin, Lidell, Ortiz, Phil Davis, Silva plus Michael Bisping, Stephan Bonnar....

His only two losses are to two of the top LHW on the planet.

Regardless of your opinion on how he fought those fights, he fought em and he won em.

Miller on the other hand.... 0-3.... Losses against CB fucking Dolloway, gets embarressed by Michael Bisping and imo got lucky that he lost against a fighter as Highlander level as GSP so atleast people will shrug at that loss and say, "Its GSP man, what are you gonna do?".

outside of the UFC in the last 3 years he lost to Jake Shields and soccer kicked himself into a no contest... his only wins are against LOL Sakuraba and Tim Stout... What talent are you talking about? From like 03 to 06 he was relevant in that he won a bunch of fights against good opponents in other organizations, but that was 6 years ago... As Sonatine said... another career or 2 ago...

There is no argument anyone can make that Jason Miller is UFC level at all, therefore he does not belong in the UFC.

Oh and PS - Sean Salmon looking for a way out of his fight is probably true, but if the only way he was able to find was getting blasted in the head with a kick, he is an idiot...
05-30-2012, 11:48 AM
Crowe Diddly

LOL at comparing Rashad and Hardy. Rashad is clearly one of the best in the light heavy division, and has beaten a handful of legends. Dan HArdy is an exciting but terribly flawed fighter who's entertainment value trumps his skill level, and who's beaten people like Mike Swick, Rory Markam, MArcus davis,and Bang. Solid names, no doubt, but none of those guys are gonna be seen hanging around the UFC HoF any time soon.

That said, HArdy can easily lose the next 2 without getting cut. He's one of the most popular fighters they got, somehow, and if for some ungodly reason the UFC cuts him, it will only be to put him in Strikeforce. No f'n way does Zuffa let that cat get away from them.

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His performance against Bisping was terrible, no argument, but my only beef with Miller for the Dollaway fight was showing up crippled. Dollaway disgraced himself considerably harder than Miller as I see it; Dollaway had no excuses for what was really a laughable display of blanketry in between getting his mush popped by someone who couldnt even move fast enough to catch him as he fish danced away.

If you give miller credit for being injured, then CB deserves at least as much, if not more, for fighting a few months after hip labrum surgery. I know CB's not a firecracker or anything exciting usually, but he beat a more experienced fighter with probably a lot worse of a training camp. It is what it is. He managed to beat a bigger, more experienced, and stronger fighter.
05-30-2012, 11:52 AM
sonatine

The Rashad tangent is fundamentally ignorable.

Im hesitant to give CB a pass simply because hes always been pretty lackluster. But we will find out the bottom line with him soon enough Im sure.
05-30-2012, 12:26 PM
shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by sonatine

The Rashad tangent is fundamentally ignorable.

Im hesitant to give CB a pass simply because hes always been pretty lackluster. But we will find out the bottom line with him soon enough Im sure.

Not for nothin but I've always kinda thought that the UFC was sorta willing to take Dollaway at least in the beginning to stay on good terms with his team i.e. Bader(who was supposed to be the next big thing at lhw) and Aaron Simpson(who was on a good roll until the losses to Leben and Munoz). I realize that he was a finalist on Tuf and he has had success in the UFC but I don't ever see him being a true main card fighter.

A bit off subject but I saw a tweet from Joe Rogan that Mike Brown retired. That's kinda sad because I found his fights to be really entertaining.
05-30-2012, 12:30 PM
Jasep

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by sonatine

The Rashad tangent is fundamentally ignorable.

Im hesitant to give CB a pass simply because hes always been pretty lackluster. But we will find out the bottom line with him soon enough Im sure.

Not for nothin but I've always kinda thought that the UFC was sorta willing to take Dollaway at least in the beginning to stay on good terms with his team i.e. Bader(who was supposed to be the next big thing at lhw) and Aaron Simpson(who was on a good roll until the losses to Leben and Munoz). I realize that he was a finalist on Tuf and he has had success in the UFC but I don't ever see him being a true main card fighter.

A bit off subject but I saw a tweet from Joe Rogan that Mike Brown retired. That's kinda sad because I found his fights to be really entertaining.

Just so long as Matt Brown keeps fighting I will be happy
05-30-2012, 12:54 PM
sonatine

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by sonatine

The Rashad tangent is fundamentally ignorable.

Im hesitant to give CB a pass simply because hes always been pretty lackluster. But we will find out the bottom line with him soon enough Im sure.

Not for nothin but I've always kinda thought that the UFC was sorta willing to take Dollaway at least in the beginning to stay on good terms with his team i.e. Bader(who was supposed to be the next big thing at lhw) and Aaron Simpson(who was on a good roll until the losses to Leben and Munoz). I realize that he was a finalist on Tuf and he has had success in the UFC but I don't ever see him being a true main card fighter.

Interesting, totally feasible.
05-30-2012, 02:53 PM
peter mcneil

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Jasep

I will give you the GSP loss and even the Dolloway/Knee situation as mulligans, but honestly, based on the amount of shit talked to performance given in the Bisping fight ratio that would probably be enough. Guys can lose fights and keep their job, Dan Hardy is the prime example of this, but when you talk the amount of shit that Miller talks, Showboat like he does and then perform how he performs then it's time to be shown the door...

At that rate Rashad should have been shown the door after phoning it in against Phil Davis and getting out classed by Jones.

wtf? he beat an up and coming LHW prospect and lost to one of the top 5 p4p fighters in the world and is clearly a top 5 guy at 205 and somehow hes comparable to Dan Hardy? Every fight Rashad has is at the top level of 205, hes got a massiving collection of wins and a mixed bag of exciting fights, some great KO's and a few dull fights. Rashad is a lock in the UFC for awhile to come, how is his name even being discussed?

The only reason I can think of people caring so much about Miller is that he's a very charismatic guy, Dana wanted to punt him after the Bisping embarassment but because of fan support brought him back and gave him what is one of the most winnable UFC fights at 185. Miller has been given every opportunity to be a success in the UFC. I don't think the GSP or Bisping losses are bad ones but he wasnt even competitive in those fights and they were shitty. Dana will bring back guys who put on a good show in the ring, Miller is 0-3 in that regard in the UFC and tends to cause problems. If any other fighter other than Miller had these performances nobody would even notice or give a shit that he is gone. Fighters are consistently fighting injured, it's part of the game. How many excuses should give Miller a pass and another shot? If he wants to get back in the UFC he should do just what others guys do who get cut and find their way back, go to Bellator or another organization and work your way back. If Miller is a guy worthy of the UFC he will be able to work his way back. Him out of the UFC is a no brainer, he simply doesnt belong.

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by sonatine

The Rashad tangent is fundamentally ignorable.

Im hesitant to give CB a pass simply because hes always been pretty lackluster. But we will find out the bottom line with him soon enough Im sure.

Not for nothin but I've always kinda thought that the UFC was sorta willing to take Dollaway at least in the beginning to stay on good terms with his team i.e. Bader(who was supposed to be the next big thing at lhw) and Aaron Simpson(who was on a good roll until the losses to Leben and Munoz). I realize that he was a finalist on Tuf and he has had success in the UFC but I don't ever see him being a true main card fighter.

A bit off subject but I saw a tweet from Joe Rogan that Mike Brown retired. That's kinda sad because I found his fights to be really entertaining.

Dollaway deserved to be there at the beginning as he looked good in his season of TUF and had some decent early performances in the UFC, also an unquestionable wrestling background which often leads to future results. I don't think Dana is keeping fighters in the UFC to stay on good terms with guys. Do you really think Bader or Simpson would walk from the UFC or even question Dana if Dollaway were given his pink slip? Dollaway is just a decent gatekeeper in a somewhat thin 185lb division, thats why he's kept around...also to weed out hacks like Miller.
05-30-2012, 03:10 PM
limitles

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Originally Posted by PLOL

Wait, he's a guy and his name is Dana?

That's the only interesting point in this thread. What are his parents names?

Lily and Off?
05-30-2012, 03:12 PM
Crowe Diddly

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

A bit off subject but I saw a tweet from Joe Rogan that Mike Brown retired. That's kinda sad because I found his fights to be really entertaining.

Word is, mr brown has already realized that he had a very good showing, he's pretty healthy, and he may have jumped the gun on this.

Dude beat Urijah twice when nobody was beating Urijah, and was part of some of the best WEC shows of all time, which were also some of the best MMA shows of all time probably.
05-30-2012, 05:30 PM
ShadyJ

DW has to much power. Hes a more polarizing figure then Druff. The guy tells so many lies you can't believe anything he says, but who the fuck cares about mayhem the guys awful stick to bully beatdown.
05-31-2012, 03:29 PM
DJ_Chaps

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Originally Posted by sonatine

uh they banned him for throwing shit at cb dollaway & corner while screaming at the NSAC staff backstage.

miller fucked himself out a job. yawn, next.

:chortle

Oh and welcome to NS, get yer butt to Halifax so we can go get some 10s.

:to
05-31-2012, 03:45 PM
FPS_Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe2Po6-H-sw

Amazing how this vid. stays so low profile considering Dana's popularity.
Pretty explosive revelations.
05-31-2012, 05:26 PM
SixToedPete

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I agree with you. Even though Dana White has given Mayem Miller some great opportunities (two fights plus TUF coaching job), I feel White went too far dissing then firing Miller after UFC 146.

Mayhem said he wanted to wear the military gas mask during his walkout to recognize the Troops. He was never told not to wear it until he started his walk to the ring. Why fuck with a fighter's focus moments before a fight? Anyway, Miller said he removed it and there was not a big commotion.

Miller almost won that fight against C. B. Dollaway. He hurt him twice with solid strikes. That one judge scored it 30-26 was a travesty. Unfortunately, Mayhem blew his knee out during training (Jason actually dropped to canvas when it gave way during fight) and could not neutralize Dollaway's excellent wrestling with only one good leg.

Dana White gave Dan Hardy chance after chance after chance even though Hardy kept losing. Mayhem Miller suffers two losses then gets fired. Not fair at all but Dana's the plantation overseer and rarely tolerates a UFC field hand who doesn't walk the straight and narrow.

Also, Mayem announced that he would retire if he couldn't defeat C. B. Dolaway. During the Ariel Helwani interview Jason admitted he 'retired' after the loss and seemed genuinely surprised when Ariel told him Dana had cut him. Jason dealt with it well and said he would pursue other 'adventures'.

I like Mayhem. He's funny, intelligent, irreverent and a very good fighter. His outlandish behavior sold that fight. No one showed up or tuned in to watch C. B. Dolaway.

More hypocrisy from Dana White:

UFC ring girl Arianny Celeste was arrested today in Las Vegas on domestic battery charges.

Celeste, real name Arianny Lopez, was brought in to the Clark County Detention Center at around 7:30 this morning. She was released later on $3000 bond. Celeste has not commented on her arrest yet.

UFC president Dana White told TMZ:

“Arianny is our baby. She has been with us for over five years. She is a good girl and an amazing ambassador for UFC. I don’t know all the details of what happened but we have her back and support her 100%.”

Source

Arrested with $3000 bond....Dana supports her 100%

Wear a pink boa.......You're fired!

Miller conceded in the post that I linked that he didnt ok the gas mask with the UFC staff which is expected when wearing anything out of the ordinary for a ring entrance. Dana commented on this today and stated that Miller was pretty verbally abusive with the staffer who asked him not to wear it and caused a big scene, in that interview Miller kinda seemed to downplay the incident and he didnt say there was no big commotion, he admitted he had a problem with it. Top that off with two very shitty fights, one which was totally embarrassing and there is no reason for Miller to stay in the UFC. Whether the incident happened or not Miller doesnt belong in the UFC, he hasnt had a single good perfomance there in his life and has been given a handful of fights. BTW - I love Miller, enjoyed him a ton on his season of TUF and think he's a great character but he simply isnt a good enough fighter to stay in the UFC 'almot beating CB Dollaway' is exactly what should get a fighter punted from the UFC after that embarrassing performance he put on against Bisping. Miller should move into commentary or try to line up some none related MMA type show, he's good tv, he just doesnt make any sense for the UFC to have in their organization.

Hardy is staying in the UFC because he's constantly involved in fight of the nights and has a winning UFC record, Miller has never won a single fight or been close to a fight of the night type performance. GSP mopped the floor with him when he was young in his career at 170, He was an absolute embarrassment against Bisping, had no gas and looked like something out of a tough man competition and he lost to CB Dollaway, fucking CB Dollaway. Can you think of any other UFC fighter who started their career with the promotion 0-3 and still had a roster spot? Especially after losing a fight to a guy who is lucky to be with the organization and will never be more than an undercard guy? Hardy has put on some terrific performances, knocked some solid competition out and most importantly he is great for the business and the UFC's push into England. CB is lucky to have a spot in on the roster still, anybody losing to him has no place in the UFC. If miller was to stay what the fuck do they even do with him? Who should he fight? Miller also has a history of causing problems in fight organization, he was the center of the live tv embarrassment with the Diaz bros, which he was suspended for and he had that horrible campaign to try to get a fight with Diaz. Dana seems to reward loyalty to the UFC, long term staff and fighters. I think him giving Arianny a pass on this is just fine, I don't even know how its comparable to wanting a problematic over the hill fighter at all.

Actually, Mayem's explanation (during the Ariel Helwani interview) of the 'backstage BS' did reveal he felt it was not a big deal. Ariel had to push him for details. Also, it's clear Jason was more upset with the UFC rep fucking with his mindset during his walkout than with the military gas mask.

I agree his fight with Bisping was ugly but I understand Mayhem's explanation for his poor performance. He hadn't fought in the UFC for years plus hadn't competed anywhere in over a year so suffered a huge adrenaline dump. It happens to the best fighters. He did much better vs. Dollaway (almost KO'd him twice) but couldn't deal with C.B.'s wrestling with only one good leg.

I like Dan Hardy but I don't believe he had a winning record in the UFC before UFC 146. I think he was @.500. Anyway, my earlier point was after suffering four straight losses in the UFC, Dana White still booked 'The Outlaw' for UFC 146.

I agree with Sonatine about Mayhem's first UFC fight against GSP. That was ages ago and he did well vs. a beast. So that bout should not be figured into White's decision.

That leaves the adrenaline dump fiasco and the C.B. Dollaway fight. In my opinion it was hypocritical of White to cut Miller after two losses while giving Hardy a chance for his fifth loss in a row. It's as simple as that.

You said the more important reason Dana White kept four-losses-in-row Hardy in the UFC was because "he is great for the business". That may be true but it reveals White's hypocrisy because the same argument can be made for giving Mayhem Miller another chance.

Mayhem is a big draw, much bigger than Hardy (except in UK) and certainly bigger than C.B. Dollaway. Jason has a huge fan base. He brings viewers to the UFC. No one showed up or tuned in to that fight to watch C.B. Dollaway! They wanted to see Mayhem.

IMO, Miller is not 'over the hill'. I think he's only @31.

With the Arianny Celeste comment I was just giving another example of Dana White's hypocrisy. Her charge is much more serious than Mayhem Miller wearing a pink boa and losing two fights. Yet White announced his 100% support for her before knowing all the facts.

This following Dana's firing of black ring girl Chandella Powell for not divulging some nude modeling she did years ago. There's even more hypocrisy when you realize Arianny also posed nude.
06-05-2012, 12:09 AM
Muck Ficon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlBfr609syk&feature=relmfu
06-05-2012, 07:10 AM
Shizzmoney

The UFC really needs a fighter's union or something.
06-05-2012, 08:49 AM
shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Muck Ficon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlBfr609syk&feature=relmfu

My first thought when I saw that was what the hell is Allen Kessler doing talking to Dana White
06-05-2012, 03:57 PM
SixToedPete

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe2Po6-H-sw

Amazing how this vid. stays so low profile considering Dana's popularity.
Pretty explosive revelations.

WOW, thank you for that!

I lived in Boston most of my adult life, with 12 of those years spent in Southie. South Boston is a tight knit community where everyone knows everyone but I never recalled running across Dana White.

I hung out at boxing gyms, local taverns and the many private Southie social clubs (gambling outfits where you could play cards, place any sports bet, ponies, dogs, trotters, pull on a slot machine or just enjoy a cold beer). These joints were all controlled by or paid tribute to Whitey Bulger.

It was only when I saw that picture of a younger, thinner (with hair) photo of Dana that I recalled seeing that guy. I never knew him but I do recall seeing him. He was just another unprepossessing Southie kid.

White does tell the story that he was 'forced' to leave South Boston after a couple of Whitey's guys put the squeeze on him for protection money at Dana's small boxing gym.

There's no doubt Dana White's life is a Horatio Alger story. He has achieved great success from a very humble beginning. I know he's often been hypocritical but I had no idea about all that other stuff his Mother reveals in that video interview. That's some serious character flaw baggage.
06-05-2012, 05:26 PM
NaturalBornHustler

LOL at his nutcase mother, who wrote a book trying to cash in when he told her to fuck off for wanting some of his money, claiming all this nonsense because he won't support her lazy ass.

She was just the perfect little mommy, and Dana just kicked her to the curb because he is an evil greedy man. Yeah, right.

Funny how our resident socialist posts this video, to no doubt highlight another "greedy rich guy" who doesn't love his mommy!! Fuck off.

There wouldn't BE a UFC if it wasn't for White, and even the best fighters would still be fighting for beer money instead of millions like the top guys are now.

Oh and the guy doing the "interview" Jerry Millen? Google him and see who he is, because obviously you all have no clue. The more you know!

http://www.cagepotato.com/video-jerr...m-for-back-up/

The reason why this video isn't more popular is because anyone who knows ANYTHING about MMA laughed at it because it is so ridiculous, and because Millen's soul has been crushed by White many times and he hates him.
06-05-2012, 06:57 PM
SixToedPete

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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler

LOL at his nutcase mother, who wrote a book trying to cash in when he told her to fuck off for wanting some of his money, claiming all this nonsense because he won't support her lazy ass.

She was just the perfect little mommy, and Dana just kicked her to the curb because he is an evil greedy man. Yeah, right.

Funny how our resident socialist posts this video, to no doubt highlight another "greedy rich guy" who doesn't love his mommy!! Fuck off.

There wouldn't BE a UFC if it wasn't for White, and even the best fighters would still be fighting for beer money instead of millions like the top guys are now.

Oh and the guy doing the "interview" Jerry Millen? Google him and see who he is, because obviously you all have no clue. The more you know!

http://www.cagepotato.com/video-jerr...m-for-back-up/

The reason why this video isn't more popular is because anyone who knows ANYTHING about MMA laughed at it because it is so ridiculous, and because Millen's soul has been crushed by White many times and he hates him.

While Dana's Mom doesn't sound like a nutcase in this video, I agree with much of what you said. The entire interview is unseemly. Why would a mother trash her son so severely?

It's an Oedipus complex in reverse. Something very strange indeed.

It's had no impact on Dana White's popularity but it is fucking weird.