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Is Jared a pedo? How would this tie in to the former employee?
(CNN)Investigators raided the Indiana home of longtime Subway pitchman Jared Fogle on Tuesday morning, seizing electronics in a search that the sandwich chain says might be linked to the earlier arrest of someone who once worked for him.
after reading the story, it seems that jarred's employee may have used equipment belonging to jarred and that's why the raid. Unless I missed something?
No. I guess I'm more curious if Jarred could have had this on his computer and not know about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
The thing about this that makes no fucking sense at all is that Jared worked with Russell Taylor, who was involved in a CP ring but he got busted 2 MONTHS ago.
So either it took them 60 days of forensic work to discover indicators that Russell Taylor had quietly used Jared's computers/servers as repositories for CP (totally possible), or they discovered something that is making them suspect Jared is into it.
If this was just a standard 'expanding ring' style investigation, they would have impounded and imaged Jared's gear like right off the bat, 2 months ago, because Jared is so close to the epicenter of the crime scene basically.
So yeah, something happened recently I'm guessing that made them go after Jared. Note that Russell Taylor tried to kill himself in jail at some point, so its totally possible that he decided to come clean 100% and copped to stashing something on Jared's hosts, or even remotely browsing images using Jared's laptop. Either scenario or anything in between would account for the raid today.
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Originally Posted by LLLNo. I guess I'm more curious if Jarred could have had this on his computer and not know about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
To speak to this point exactly, a very well seasoned journalist famous for going hard at the Obama administration got a tip that she was being set up for something ugly if she didnt slow her roll. She went to her attorney, they hired an computer forensic technician, and they discovered that someone had placed top secret documents in a weird ass temp folder on her laptop that she didnt even know existed, ostensibly as a way to make charges stick if they had to rendition her.
Which is first level thinking.
Next level is where you realize someone with a beef with the Obama administration planted the documents, then tipped her off about them so she would run to an attorney, discover them, and flip out and reach the logical and very public conclusion that the Obama administration were on some Nixon shit.
I posted a while back about a husband of my wife's friend who got popped by FBI for child porn on computer. FBI claimed they had been tracking him for 5 years.
I cannot wrap my head around the size of the NSA/FBI operation as they track web activity. Even if they are just acting on tips and informants within busted sites and not an outright dragnet we are still talking about a lot of eyes on a lot of machines building cases.
I am in the camp that everything is getting sifted.
So while Sonatine answered a direct question in an entertaining way I wonder if he thinks shit is a lot more nefarious on the government side?
How could you possibly think that spying on it's own citizens like they are criminals before the fact is nefarious? Poppycock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
It probably isn't a big deal regarding Jared.
I think sonatine's analysis is likely correct. Something made them realize 2 months later that more evidence could be on Jared's computers, so they went after them.
Just because Jared's employee was a pedo doesn't really increase the chance that Jared was, unless that's how Jared met him in the first place. It's not like other forms of crime, where one person can influence the other to get involved. If you're part of the vast majority of society who find pedophilia disgusting, absolutely nobody could talk you into it or get you into it.
Let me put it real bluntly;Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
The government built this shit. It's theirs to monitor as they see fit. And they see very, very fit to archive pretty much everything you can imagine. Because honestly; why not? Why on earth not? We have no right to privacy on the internet; its not ours.
That said, CP is a whole different ballgame. For one thing, the good guys arent just the FBI etc, its every single government that answers to INTERPOL. So right off the bat, if youre fucking with CP, you're on borrowed time.
For another thing, back in the days I wanted to build an OCR layer to read poker cards off the screen. I asked a friend whose deep into the public sector infosec game for some help and he pointed me to this totally weird little library that was designed to assess color palettes / profiles from image files in arbitrary ways.
You know who was developing it?
Google.
You know why?
Because they use it to actively monitor every single image that passes through gmail.com to see if it matches known samples of CP.
And that was well over a decade ago.
Surveillance is seriously the natural state of things, privacy is a goofy myth. If you want to opt out, get a cabin in the woods and get to work on that manifesto.
This may sound like the dumbest shit ever posted on the internet but........Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineLet me put it real bluntly;Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
The government built this shit. It's theirs to monitor as they see fit. And they see very, very fit to archive pretty much everything you can imagine. Because honestly; why not? Why on earth not? We have no right to privacy on the internet; its not ours.
That said, CP is a whole different ballgame. For one thing, the good guys arent just the FBI etc, its every single government that answers to INTERPOL. So right off the bat, if youre fucking with CP, you're on borrowed time.
For another thing, back in the days I wanted to build an OCR layer to read poker cards off the screen. I asked a friend whose deep into the public sector infosec game for some help and he pointed me to this totally weird little library that was designed to assess color palettes / profiles from image files in arbitrary ways.
You know who was developing it?
Google.
You know why?
Because they use it to actively monitor every single image that passes through gmail.com to see if it matches known samples of CP.
And that was well over a decade ago.
Surveillance is seriously the natural state of things, privacy is a goofy myth. If you want to opt out, get a cabin in the woods and get to work on that manifesto.
I am not in any way a conspiracy theorist & don't agree with almost anything posted bt regaymer ot thesparten but I agree with almost everything posted here.
god my manifesto would be so on fleek just cheese souffle recipes and conspiracy theories about malaysian people
Beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineLet me put it real bluntly;Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
The government built this shit. It's theirs to monitor as they see fit. And they see very, very fit to archive pretty much everything you can imagine. Because honestly; why not? Why on earth not? We have no right to privacy on the internet; its not ours.
That said, CP is a whole different ballgame. For one thing, the good guys arent just the FBI etc, its every single government that answers to INTERPOL. So right off the bat, if youre fucking with CP, you're on borrowed time.
For another thing, back in the days I wanted to build an OCR layer to read poker cards off the screen. I asked a friend whose deep into the public sector infosec game for some help and he pointed me to this totally weird little library that was designed to assess color palettes / profiles from image files in arbitrary ways.
You know who was developing it?
Google.
You know why?
Because they use it to actively monitor every single image that passes through gmail.com to see if it matches known samples of CP.
And that was well over a decade ago.
Surveillance is seriously the natural state of things, privacy is a goofy myth. If you want to opt out, get a cabin in the woods and get to work on that manifesto.
I can't help but make a small detour here and ask why Google would care wether it's users were exchanging CP via their service.
Developing tech to detect CP would only appear to increase their exposure/awareness. I don't get it.
I just felt Google long ago joined the race to assemble your profile in words and pictures
If your up to responding to this & the bonus question:
How has your recognition that there is no privacy affected your behavior on the web? Do you make an effort to keep a small footprint or have you surrendered as it ain't worth the effort?
You have whet my appetite to revisit my hatred of the social media con - we just turn on a firehose of personal data to be harvested and sold. There has got to be an entertaining book or article to get me fired up.
At one time (maybe still?) Google hired people to sift through all their products looking for gore, bestiality and child porn. Imagine having to look at that shit for 40 hours every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
It pains me to link to Buzzfeed, but this guy talks about his experience doing exactly that.
They cut him loose after a year, as per their policy for independent contractors.
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I dealt with all the products that Google owned. If anyone were to use them for child porn, I’d have to look at it. So maybe like 15,000 images a day. Google Images, Picasa, Orkut, Google search, etc.
I had no one to talk to. I couldn’t bring it home to my girlfriend because I didn’t want to burden her with this bullshit. For seven, eight, nine months, I was looking at this kind of stuff and thinking I was fine, but it was putting me in a really dark place.
Google got someone from a federal agency to talk to me, and that’s when it occurred to me that I needed therapy. She showed me photos of seemingly innocuous activities (kind of like a modified Rorschach test) and asked me for my first visceral reaction. I was like, “That’s fucked up!” It was just a father and a child.
So I went to get therapy. Google covered one session with a government-appointed therapist — and encouraged me to go out and get my own therapy after I left.
from 2004 to 2005 i made dickgirl websites for about 30 to 40% of my working day.
no biggie
The guy they arrested is probably co-operating and implicated Jared.
A search warrant is a pretty big deal. Maybe they asked nicely and Jared said "warrant". Who knows. I think there is more to it than still trying to convict the first guy
Pure conjecture but informed conjecture:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
<Feds> Google, we are already seeing evidence that organized CP rings are using your free services to distribute content. You either need to aggressively identify the parties responsible or we are going to simply roll up all you nerd faggots on conspiracy charges.
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If your up to responding to this & the bonus question:
How has your recognition that there is no privacy affected your behavior on the web? Do you make an effort to keep a small footprint or have you surrendered as it ain't worth the effort?
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100% not worth the effort. I survived the IRC hack wars in the 90s without getting busted or going to jail and parlayed all those skills into a blooming career in information security. I simply dont break laws any more. Why risk it?
I really and truly dont give a fuck if anyone watches what I do online.
The only thing that gives me pause is that all this military / gov grade snoop-tech is now being distributed to dumbshit cops who have absolutely no moral or legal compasses. (Thanks 9/11). That's where I insta-vote Democrat, mostly. The NSA monitoring is basically immune to partisan faggotry so there isnt any point in worrying about it, but when the average cop can do warrantless cell phone taps with zero oversite, I start to consider a life beyond these borders, straight up.
Woman posts on Facebook that her husband just got a new job. There are services that harvest that info in conjunction with Facebook. You're a realtor and are looking to lock up a new listing in your area ... Boom. This is just the innocent, kinda harmless scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
This kind of shit just always drove me to try to stay as dark as possible. All that info never goes away either. Kids are gonna have some embarrassing moments 15-20 years from now as some old online antics get dug up and broadcast.
Mark Cuban & CyberDust ......
I wasn't necessarily thinking Feds or law enforcement but I don't trust nitwits with criminal justice degrees from community colleges either. Your response has me questioning wether I should really give a fuck about all this too. I expected a different response.
The IRC reference had me time tripping to the days of using IRC to steal passwords for porn, and other stuff. There were some interesting groups out there.
It was all pretty easy back then. I can only imagine what someone who was a little more motivated than I was might have been up to.
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Originally Posted by Hockey GuyThis may sound like the dumbest shit ever posted on the internet but........Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I am not in any way a conspiracy theorist & don't agree with almost anything posted bt regaymer ot thesparten but I agree with almost everything posted here.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...am-online-data
Didn't Jared say he was confident the FBI wouldn't find anything?
http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/01/jared-...investigation/Quote:
Jared Fogle reportedly paid $100 to have sex with a 16-year-old girl ... an encounter he called "amazing."
The FBI has subpoenaed text messages between Jared and a Subway employee with whom he was having a sexual relationship, according to Business Insider, which broke the story.
According to the report, in 2008 Jared wanted the woman to advertise herself on Craigslist to have sex with other men so he could watch. He allegedly said he'd pay $500 per encounter. Business Insider says the woman responded, "Is this the same website you found that 16-year-old girl that you f*****? I still can't believe you only paid $100 to her."
The report says Jared responded, "It was amazing!!!"
The woman says she went to Subway to complain, but the company did nothing.
Fogle's attorney did not respond to Business Insider.
So a woman who said this to Jarred over the course of casual conversation:
"Is this the same website you found that 16-year-old girl that you f*****? I still can't believe you only paid $100 to her."
Then did this:
The woman says she went to Subway to complain, but the company did nothing.
It smells like a shakedown more than anything else.. Note that it says the FBI subpoenaed text messages but does not say they found anything in them.
Pretty sure the line here is like 15% chance Jarred is a legit supercreep pedo kid fucker, 85% this woman is in handcuffs by the end of the week, claiming her abusive boyfriend put her up to it.
hey man tl;dr but asking tine if someone's pedo only really gets one response, including tine himself.
i have watched tine play the forum game and the aim chat game for years, guy is super gimmicky and gamey but he's also basically indestructable because his life pretty much owns everyone he starts a war with and his tilt control is top top. i have never seen anyone more confident and powerful on the forums as tine. guy turns forum/chat wars into an art form, and to my knowledge weaker players (e.g. tyde) continue to challenge him relentlessly only to find themselves grossly outmatched. then they have to resort to lowly tactics like capitalizing everything or installing ***** alarms so that they can damage control until tine checkmates them and they realize they've been outplayed every street. then they leave or talk mad shit on skype or w/e and tine scoops the pot (i'm aware that the most recent war between tine and tyde was basically equivalent to this, perhaps a good analogy would be a street fighter game where tine perfected tyde who tilted over immense frustration and "left" the forum after trying to scapegoat todd).
and current over/under for tyde returning to the forum is based on: (7 days - # of days since last bender + 2 days) since for the duration of the time i chat with him regularly that was about how often he got schizo and unstable before disappearing from AIM and forums (passed out/hung over/hanging out with winnie/etc.) for like 48 hours straight. and he really only unbanned ppl and considered re-instating the Circle of Trust memberships during his benders.
in conclusion, really only one real conclusion i can even think about making every time i see tine claim another victim:
http://nypost.com/2015/08/01/text-re...or-sex-report/
jarred line just crept up to %35...
You just lobbed Tyde a softball.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Odds that his wife has him sleeping on the couch?
Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle told woman he had ‘amazing’ sex with 16-year-old girl: report
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2311417
He gives new meaning to the Subway slogan "Eat Fresh"Quote:
Disgraced former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle allegedly boasted to a franchisee about “amazing” sex he had with a 16-year-old girl, according to texts subpoenaed by the FBI.
The texts emerged as Fogle finds himself in a federal child porn probe, which hasn’t brought any charges but cost him his PR position with the sandwich franchise.
In April 2008, Fogel asked a female Subway franchisee, who he was apparently having a sexual relationship with, to advertise herself on Craigslist for sex with other men, Business Insider reported Friday night.
“Is this the same website you found that 16 year old you that you fucked?” the woman replied, according to an affadavit.
“I still can’t believe you only paid $100 for her.”
Fogle wrote back: “It was amazing!!!!”
“What part of her ad made you think she was selling sex?” the woman asked.
Fogle told her: “U will have to read them to see.”
The age of consent in Indiana, where Fogle lives, is 16.
The woman showed the texts to corporate management in 2008, but her higher-ups did nothing and have no record of her complaints, according to Business Insider.
“She also specifically warned them that he should not be interacting with young people,” the woman’s attorney told the site.
Fogle’s attorney and Subway have not commented on the creepy conversation.
The once-plump pitchman, who rose to TV fame 15 years ago by swearing Subway sandwiches helped him slim down, had his Zionsville home raided in early July after the FBI arrested one of his friends for having hundreds of child porn videos.
He was never charged or arrested, but Subway speedily severed all ties with him and wiped all mention of him on its websites and restaurants.
Fogel has a net worth of $15 million thanks to his squandered Subway gig.
If Subway is looking for a new spokeman, there is someone is available.
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/att...6&d=1363143993
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/att...7&d=1394645398
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Originally Posted by sonatine
This feels like a solid read. The problem for Jared is if he was actually fucking this woman there's a solid chance that whole text exchange, should it exist, was done with both phones in her hand while Jared was taking a shower.
And then, what's the chance that someone tried to shake you down for some underage girl shit and then in the future you have an associate get popped for child porn that may be tied to your computer? That's running really bad if he's an innocent party.
If he's innocent, he's lucky the shakedown artist made up 16 and not 12, or he's got way more explaining to do, as that puts him in pedo camp rather than perv camp. If her text didn't feel so much like a shakedown, I'd be leaning towards Druff's alternate explanation that he met this associate through some freaky shit.
Apparently age of consent where the alleged fucking went down is 16, so hes kinda in the clear there... which makes this whole affair even weirder.
But I agree that his proximity to the CP ring takes this from outright scammery to "where there's smoke...".
I just can't stop myself sometimes..
tine is a fat monster pedo who barely understands scripted television so just please people please
also honestly and i didnt want to say it but he suuuuuuuuucks at fishing
like think the fat kid who got cut from freshman football but then he acts like he knows whats going on
literally fish catch him
gare cant fish, his rod is too limp.
reusing other peoples metaphors is a cry for help
Wasn't it a similar situation with Sklansky and that Saura chick he met off a party line?
Like she was underage when she moved in with him, but he wasn't breaking the law because she was above the age of Nevada consent, from what I remember.
there needs to be like a comic horn waaaa waa waaa sound when todd posts