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There's a chance it could backfire on Trump. They've been throwing out all sorts of numbers that he's been getting 'paid', but there's only record of money going to a private equity firm he runs with Archer. Actual payments to him directly could be much smaller than the numbers they've been throwing around.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by blake
yale etc.
there are a lot of people far less deserving of 6 figure a year jobs.
But they'll get to ask Bidens son what it's like to smoke crack while millions watch live, so probably worth the risk.
it's been reported hunter got $83,000 a month for a ceremonial role, which no one's disputed and i assume is true. hunter probably would have disputed it, if not.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanThere's a chance it could backfire on Trump. They've been throwing out all sorts of numbers that he's been getting 'paid', but there's only record of money going to a private equity firm he runs with Archer. Actual payments to him directly could be much smaller than the numbers they've been throwing around.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
But they'll get to ask Bidens son what it's like to smoke crack while millions watch live, so probably worth the risk.
also the burisma timeline looks horrible for so many reasons and the bidens would look absolutely terrible if forced to testify about this.
April 15, 2014: Burisma sends Hunter’s business partner, Devon Archer, $112,000.
April 16, 2014: Archer visits Vice President Biden at the White House.
April 21, 2014: The veep arrives in Ukraine bearing millions in aid for the Ukraine energy industry.
May 12, 2014: Hunter Biden joins Burisma’s board.
February, 2015: Ukrainian authorities seize property of Burisma’s CEO and go after unpaid taxes.
March, 2016: Biden demands that Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Victor Shokin, be fired and threatens to hold up $1 billion in US loan guarantees.
the absolute best case scenario for hunter is that he knew that burisma was using him for the "biden" name while his dad was vice president, but that there were no favors given to burisma, and that he had nothing to do with the prosecutor getting fired. this is all still horrible, even if true.
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Originally Posted by blakeit's been reported hunter got $83,000 a month for a ceremonial role, which no one's disputed and i assume is true. hunter probably would have disputed it, if not.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
also the burisma timeline looks horrible for so many reasons and the bidens would look absolutely terrible if forced to testify about this.
April 15, 2014: Burisma sends Hunter’s business partner, Devon Archer, $112,000.
April 16, 2014: Archer visits Vice President Biden at the White House.
April 21, 2014: The veep arrives in Ukraine bearing millions in aid for the Ukraine energy industry.
May 12, 2014: Hunter Biden joins Burisma’s board.
February, 2015: Ukrainian authorities seize property of Burisma’s CEO and go after unpaid taxes.
March, 2016: Biden demands that Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Victor Shokin, be fired and threatens to hold up $1 billion in US loan guarantees.
the absolute best case scenario for hunter is that he knew that burisma was using him for the "biden" name while his dad was vice president, but that there were no favors given to burisma, and that he had nothing to do with the prosecutor getting fired. this is all still horrible, even if true.
Where did you get that timeline?
Going off wikipedia it's off, but I haven't checked all the sources. Not claiming to be an expert on this stuff, just trying to figure out wtf really happened.
- Burisma CEO had properties seized in April 2014, not Feb 2015.
- Bidens visit to Ukraine was in December 2015, March 2016 was when Ukraine parliament voted out Shokin. (Seems like Biden was exaggerating what happened when he was bragging in that infamous video)
Prosecutor who got fired:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola...InvestigationsQuote:
Failure to properly investigate Burisma Holdings
In 2012, the Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Pshonka began investigating Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of the natural gas company Burisma Holdings, over allegations of money laundering, tax evasion, and corruption during 2010–2012.[34][35]
In 2015, Shokin became the prosecutor general, inheriting the investigation. The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts".[23] Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma and using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.[34]
While visiting Kiev in December 2015, then-U.S. Vice President Joe Biden warned Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that, if he did not fire Shokin, the Obama administration was prepared to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees. Biden later said: "I looked at them and said, 'I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' [...] He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."[36][37] Shokin was dismissed by Parliament in late March 2016.
In a sworn affidavit dated 4 September 2019,[38] for a European court, Shokin testified that "On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the criminal case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company, but I refused to close this investigation."[39] Shokin wrote the affidavit in support of Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash.[40] John Herbst, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine during the George W. Bush administration, said that Shokin's support of Firtash, who had been arrested for bribery in 2014, undercuts Shokin's claims to be motivated by transparency.[41][42]
Shokin claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings.[30][43][44] However, Vitaly Kasko, who had been Shokin's deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, provided documents to Bloomberg News indicating that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.[45][46]
The investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before[47] Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings in 2014.[48] US President Donald Trump's subsequent bid to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to announce an investigation of Joe Biden in relation to Burisma led to the December 2019 impeachment of Trump.
CEO of Burisma:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor...risma_HoldingsQuote:
Investigations
In 2012, Viktor Pshonka,[a] the Ukrainian prosecutor general, began investigating Burisma Holdings owner, Zlochevsky, over allegations of money laundering, tax evasion, and corruption during 2010-2012.[15][16]
In April 2014 the Serious Fraud Office froze approximately $23 million belonging to companies controlled by Zlochevsky.[17] At the end of 2014, Zlochevsky fled Ukraine amid allegations of unlawful self enrichment and legalization of funds (Article 368-2, Criminal Code of Ukraine) during his tenure in public office.[18] In January 2015, Prosecutor General Vitaly Yarema announced that Zlochevsky had been put on the wanted list for alleged financial corruption.[19] At the end of January 2015, the Central Criminal Court in London released the $23 million that were blocked on accounts of Zlochevsky due to inadequate evidence.[18] In June 2018, the Serious Fraud Office stated that the case was closed.[20]
Zlochevsky returned to Ukraine in February 2018 after investigations into his Burisma Holdings had been completed in December 2017 with no charges filed against him.[21][22]
On April 18, 2018, an alleged recording of part of a conversation between President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and fugitive Ukrainian lawmaker Oleksandr Onyshchenko was released by Onyshchenko which implicated Zlochevsky in graft.[3][23][24]
On June 15, 2018, after the Solomyansky District Court in Kyiv had annulled the ruling of the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office (SAP) to close a criminal proceeding against him in 2017, Zlochevsky was accused of having illegally issued, while he was Ecology Minister in 2010–2012, oil and gas licenses to the companies that belonged to him.[25]
According to Ukrainian authorities Zlochevsky is suspected of "theft of government funds on an especially large scale".[26] Authorities said the criminal investigation on suspicion of embezzlement is currently on hold because Zlochevsky whereabouts cannot presently be determined.[27] As of 2019, Zlochevsky is reported to live in Monaco.[28]
new york postQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/the-bi...investigation/
i haven't researched it either and have no idea if it's correct.
See? They fell ONTO MEXICO. Trump wins again!Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
So a piece of the wall fell in high winds.
You realize it can be fixed, right?
Never understood the opposition to the wall. Just because it's not 100% effective doesn't mean that it's not helping. It's like saying that you shouldn't lock your doors at night because people have broken into locked houses. Really dumb argument.
Somehow the left believes a wall is racist, yet its purpose is to bring down the rate of illegal immigration. How is that racist?
It's not the wall itself that's racist. It's the mobs of angry white people chanting "Build the wall!" and the president saying 'they're bringing drugs, their/they're rapists and some, I assume (does not know for sure) are good people'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It's also just an impossible promise he made, and always talked about how big and strong and beautiful it would be, and what a great builder he is, so easy red meat for the left when it falls over.
Imagine a similar situation but swap out Trump for Hillary.
Oh I understand the left trying to make fun of it, but I just never understood the entire opposition to the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanIt's not the wall itself that's racist. It's the mobs of angry white people chanting "Build the wall!" and the president saying 'they're bringing drugs, their/they're rapists and some, I assume (does not know for sure) are good people'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
It's also just an impossible promise he made, and always talked about how big and strong and beautiful it would be, and what a great builder he is, so easy red meat for the left when it falls over.
Imagine a similar situation but swap out Trump for Hillary.
We have a southern border where a lot of illegal immigration pours through.
A wall is being built to reduce (but not eliminate) that. I can't see what the objection could possibly be.
Record long drug-smuggling tunnel discovered below San Diego
https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/worlds...low-san-diego/
A wall won't stop these Mexicans from getting in the country.Quote:
The longest known Southwest drug-smuggling tunnel into the United States has been discovered at the Mexican border, officials said Wednesday.
The intricate underground pathway is more than three-quarters of a mile long and features a rail system and an elevator, according to US Customs and Border Protection.
One tunnel entrance is in an industrial area in Tijuana, Mexico, and stretches more than 4,300 feet into a San Diego neighborhood, CBP said.
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...rip=all&w=1033
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...trip=all&w=720
kind of an obvious point but these tunnels arent for people.
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"ALL THE WITNESSES: Ok, we all agree. This is what happened.
REPUBLICANS: None of you were in the room!
BOLTON: *raises hand* Well I was in the...
REPUBLICANS: Who asked you?! Shut up! You’re a liberal pawn!
BOLTON: Um... I’m actually I’m a lifelong Republican and I was literally Trump’s national security advi...
REPUBLICANS: Shut your mustache! Somebody bring back the first national security advisor.
FLYNN: *in orange jumpsuit* Hey sorry guys I’m in jail lol.
REPUBLICANS: What? Why?
FLYNN: For lying to the FBI about the Russia investigation.
REPUBLICANS: Well what idiot told you to do that?!
FLYNN: The Pres...
REPUBLICANS: Shut up! No one believes either of you!
KELLY: *raises hand* I believe them. And I was Trump’s Chief of sta...
REPUBLICANS: Shut up! Let’s talk to the real chief of staff. Who is he?
MULVANEY: *raises hand* It’s me.
REPUBLICANS: Shit. Never mind.
PARNAS: *raises hand* I was also in the room. In fact, here’s a cell phone video of the President saying that...
REPUBLICANS: Wait what?! How in hell did you sneak a cell phone into a meeting with the President?
PARNAS: It was easy I just walked right in and...
REPUBLICANS: Shut up! You’re a criminal!
PARNAS: Correct. And I just walked right into...
TRUMP: I don’t know him.
PARNAS: And here’s 500 pictures of me with the President because we’re besties.
REPUBLICANS: Wait... What idiot introduced you to the President??
PARNAS: His personal lawyer.
REPUBLICANS: Cohen??
COHEN: *also in orange jumpsuit* Hey no sorry guys I’m in jail too.
REPUBLICANS: Why?
COHEN: For campaign finance violations.
REPUBLICANS: Who’s campaign?
COHEN: The Pres...
REPUBLICANS: Shut up!
PARNAS: It was Giuliani.
YOVANOVITCH: Giuliani! That’s the guy who had me fired from my job!
REPUBLICANS: Who are you??
YOVANOVITCH: I was the ambassador to Ukraine.
REPUBLICANS: Wait, you had her fired? Do you work for the government??
GIULIANI: Nope.
REPUBLICANS: Well who is the ambassador to the European Union??
SONDLAND: *raises hand* Me. I was also in the roo...
REPUBLICANS: F@$&!!!
PUTIN: *smiles in satisfaction as his fingers circle his nipples on his shirtless chest*"
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Except for the fact, they were used to smuggle both people and drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
https://image.businessinsider.com/57...36&format=jpegQuote:
The passageway, discovered by authorities in August, is about 5˝ feet high and 2 feet wide and is an average 70 feet below ground.
In addition to an extensive rail-cart system and an elevator at one tunnel entrance, the passageway is outfitted with a ventilation system, high-voltage power cables and a complex drainage system, CBP said.
Following the tunnel’s discovery, authorities located one entrance about a half-mile west of the Otay Mesa port of entry in San Diego.
That entrance was concealed by a small industrial building.
I just want to be the first to congratulate Fox "news" on turning the USA in being a dictatorship.
And Trump the tyrant reign will last past this week. Too bad for Ailes & the dead Koch brother they were around to see it.
'Nixon shouldn't have been impeached' I've heard 0 times in my life, yet, if he had a Fox "news" he wouldn't have even been close to having to resign.
Any comparison to Clinton is a joke, he lied to save his marriage. Didn't effect USA at all. But now they sound like they have the votes.
Say what you want w/Pelosi, she 0 to lose by holding that, every day she delayed new stuff came out about him, it was closer than it would've been last month.
This defense, (despite what Hannity says) was pathetic,
the only reason they have the balls to say this shit is, they know they aren't talking to an impartial jury.
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is jimmyg a dupe cuz I just figured out that's obv parody troll account right? real person or no?
Even though his 49ers are in the promise land he still has an avatar of kaepernick, that's about all we need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
one of trump's rape victims apparently has his dna on her dress.
probably a big misunderstanding.
Does that mean she was raped?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
When Trump gets acquitted, the market is gonna get a bump correct? Cause thats all that matters to me.
"They want to kill our cows. That means you're next." — Donald Trump, just now, in Iowa
Really hoping half the crowd are under cover democrats with some sweet chants ready to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Are you at all embarrassed by your party completely capitulating to this doddering lunatic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I detest both Trump and the GOPers in Congress for caving to the ridiculous leverage he has over them given the $300+ million war chest Trump has already raised, amplified by his incredible reach to his base in the Twitterverse, that he could use to crush their hopes of surviving a primary challenge if they stray from full-throatedly supporting him. But, hey, Republicans are supposed to be paragons of morality and shining examples of acting on principle, amirite, Druff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeAre you at all embarrassed by your party completely capitulating to this doddering lunatic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Oh that rascally GOP controlled Congress serious question why do you faggots argue politics no one is getting their mind changed by some zinger post the fuck are you losers doing
Two answers to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeAre you at all embarrassed by your party completely capitulating to this doddering lunatic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
First off, what is the party's choice here? He's the guy for 2020. You can say that they could have nominated someone different, but that's not happening in either party involving in an incumbent in this day and age.
The Democrats are not interested in bipartisanship. There's no such thing as, "If we don't support Trump, you guys back off and quit with the far left proposals."
Let's take the hypothetical world where a lot of Republicans reject Trump. The party would splinter into very angry factions hating each other, Democrats would easily win the Presidency, and they'd also take back the Senate. We'd be looking at the Democrats in control of all three houses in 2021, and we'd see all kinds of new laws passed which directly contradict the Republican platform in every way.
So what's better? Support an imperfect and sometimes weird incumbent who, when it comes down to it, is mostly aligned with mainstream Republican interests? Or take a hardline stance against the President, destroy the party, and cede complete control to the Democrats? The answer for most Republicans is obvious.
Second, when it comes down to it, it's more important to me what Trump does than what he says. I have agreed with the vast majority of Trump's decisions while in office, and his "I don't give a shit what my opponents or other countries think" attitude is actually a positive at times. He's a guy who actually attempts to do a lot of what he promised, which is refreshing.
I was anti-Trump in 2016, was very unhappy to see him win the primary, and didn't vote for him (or Hillary) in the election. I have warmed to him somewhat in the 3+ years since. I see all of his flaws -- and they're numerous -- but given the nasty and increasingly extreme politicians on the left nowadays, I think he's actually the type of President the Republicans need right now, as strange as it sounds.
I'll be voting for him this time around.
Here is the type of shit we'd be looking forward to if the Democrats were to take all 3 houses:
Socialized medicine
"Free" college for all
Universal basic income
No bail except for the most violent of violent felons (see NYC in 2020)
Transgender 3-year-olds
Required use of preferred pronouns under penalty of law
Boycott/Divest/Sanction of Israel
Wealth tax
High inheritance tax
Outlawing of death penalty
$15 minimum wage federally
Complete college loan forgiveness
Black reparations
Male-to-female transgenders being force-allowed into all women's sports
Return of highly burdensome regulations which kill jobs
70%+ upper tax bracket
Four month waits to see specialist doctors or get tests done
Tons of laws crafted around identity politics
Making horrible deals with terrorist groups and countries in a vain attempt to achieve "peace"
Scale-down of military readiness and capabilties
Higher taxes for everyone middle class and above
Hiring and salary quotas for "underrepresented" groups in all industries
I could go on and on.
None of the above is paranoia of the extreme. These are all positions championed by many of the current Democratic Presidential candidates and many Democratic members of the House and Senate.
Republicans simply cannot afford to push back on Trump, allow Democrats to completely take over during the fallout from that, and watch the country's policies turn hard left.
Many of today's ideas coming from the 2020 left would be seen as crazy or extreme by most Democrats 20 years ago. I can't support doing anything which would enable that.
The economy is much less of an issue with voters.
If the election comes down to character, then Trump is fucked.
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxbu....png?ve=1&tl=1
Rofl If the election comes down to character lulllzzzz
What. A. Post.
That is funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
Honestly we abandoned "character" 28 years ago when shady, dishonest, chronic philanderer Bill Clinton was elected.
"Forget his personal life, forget his character, it's how he governs that counts," said Democrats at the time.
Well, they got their wish. That set the stage for Trump.
Poor Nixon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThat is funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
Honestly we abandoned "character" 28 years ago when shady, dishonest, chronic philanderer Bill Clinton was elected.
"Forget his personal life, forget his character, it's how he governs that counts," said Democrats at the time.
Well, they got their wish. That set the stage for Trump.
He was just ahead of his time.
Did you mean Kennedy?Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanPoor Nixon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
He was just ahead of his time.
Nixon wasn't regarded as all that shady until after he was elected. That's different.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanPoor Nixon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
He was just ahead of his time.
Clinton was the first modern winner of a modern Presidential where personal shortcomings were a serious concern, but ultimately didn't stop him.
Interestingly, very promising Democratic candidate Gary Hart was derailed just 6 years earlier for pretty much the same thing as Clinton was doing.
I mean, again, Kennedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffNixon wasn't regarded as all that shady until after he was elected. That's different.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
Clinton was the first modern winner of a modern Presidential where personal shortcomings were a serious concern, but ultimately didn't stop him.
Interestingly, very promising Democratic candidate Gary Hart was derailed just 6 years earlier for pretty much the same thing as Clinton was doing.
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Originally Posted by gutI mean, again, Kennedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Don't forget his replacement, Johnson.
trump's getting acquitted today. a little weird seeing the dems freaking out about this when they knew going in this was an absolute certainty
And the Republicans have set the stage — correction: already started the precedent — for a party in control of one of the houses of Congress ignoring the Constitution when the president they like shits all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThat is funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
Honestly we abandoned "character" 28 years ago when shady, dishonest, chronic philanderer Bill Clinton was elected.
"Forget his personal life, forget his character, it's how he governs that counts," said Democrats at the time.
Well, they got their wish. That set the stage for Trump.
I look a few times a week at indeed or other job sites. For the last two years there was an increase in wages for manufacturing jobs and construction related jobs. People living paycheck to paycheck on the margins. This is almost the entirety of the Obama/Trump voting block in the rust belt. Things have fallen off significantly the last several months. It coincides with what I hear when I talk to people involved in small businesses. It’s been slow is what I keep hearing since the fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
I think Trump will pass the are you better off than 4 years ago test for enough people and consider him still a large favorite, but not an ideal trend still 10 months out from Election Day if it continues. This is more important than impeachment hearings or any other nonsense in the states that matter.
If the economy took a significant turn for the worse though, he’s susceptible here. Only to Bernie though. Biden couldn’t beat him here regardless of the situation. I’m not speaking to who might be the better candidate nationally. It’s possible Bernie drives moderate Republicans and right-leaning independents to the polls who would have sat it out in numbers that would overwhelm the disenchanted Trump voter. I’m unsure about that. I Just don’t know a soul whose voting record would be Obama/Trump/Biden here. Not one person I’ve talked to. Even those doing well and disenchanted with trumps antics. Biden has zero appeal to anyone I encounter.
Druff always conflates the hicks with the rust belt. Don Lemon is a compete ass who I hope dies of AIDS, but the guy who sounds like the guy he was mocking isn’t the Obama/Trump voter. I don’t know anyone that sounds like that who wasn’t already a republican. He’s insulting rural people. Rural people in these areas vote 80/20 red in any election and always have. So while he’s an elitist ass, he’s not really offending the Obama/Trump voter. If you’re part of the 20% in rural areas, you aren’t changing your mind over some anchor. You have your entire family already busting your balls constantly for not being on the train.