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So Iran has a nuclear bomb ready to go? And they could one day is not the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
This should be interesting... ya know if your fear is based in reality or not.
is this schtick who you want to be? like honestly im asking; when you go to sleep tonight, are you going to feel good about this being your new personality online?
I will address this in order of importance and the voice of Peter Griffin in my head ahem.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
So Iran has a nuclear bomb ready to go? And they could one day is not the answer.
This should be interesting... ya know if your fear is based in reality or not.
is this schtick who you want to be? like honestly im asking; when you go to sleep tonight, are you going to feel good about this being your new personality online?
1) Yes, this is the best online personality I currently have going. I do have a transgender Mandalorian character I am working on another forum but so far no one knows since we never take our helmets off.
2) Great job at avoiding the question, Ill help you. NO Iran has NO nuke to launch, I repeat NO WW3 nuke ready. What they have is a distant and weaker army. Unless the US allows them to strike ships we bring to them, they got nothing just terror.
google apt34
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Originally Posted by sonatine
id tell you the volume of USG dollars pouring into my industry as of 12 hours ago says otherwise.
i'm pretty sure this is wrong, or at the very least, the US is convinced they don't have them or we wouldn't have attacked them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
you know they have nukes right?
to be clear they are an undeclared nuclear power. those centrifuges werent just party favors.
countries with nuclear weapons don't get attacked
Fear is great motivation. Goes to show that those in control of your commodity.industry relish the fear, capitalize on it and thank the Dem's.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Q predicted this...
The hard-liners in Iran hated the nuclear deal and are glad that Trump scuttled it. That's how you know it was accomplishing something for us.
With no deal and no proposal from Trump for a deal he likes better, with nobody able to trust him whether friend or foe, and with this attack on top of it, their obvious move is to go all-out to test a nuke ASAP and also put their proxies to use to do maximum damage wherever and however they can.
Trump gets 100% of the blame.
I think the most important question in all of this:
Are Persians white?
Persian girls love giving head. Does that make their race more or less important to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Member that time Obama took out an entire elementary school with a drone strike?
The good old days.
Trump isn't losing any sleep about the attack.
He's just worried about how good his seats will be for the NCAA Football Championship game.
which county do you think is happiest about the thought of the US going to war with Iran?
yep, Israel...and chalk up another manipulation of US foreign policy to one of the most powerful lobby's in Washington--the Israel lobby (as influential as the NRA).
Israel was disappointed the US didn't include Iran with the Iraq invasion and they've been waiting since then for the US to go finish the job...so here it is, a decade and a half later and the relentless barrage by the lobby is about to pay off
well, the US unconditional support of Israel and foreign aid has got to stop if the US gets sucked into a conflict with Iran...and stop Israeli settlement in the West Bank, allow Palestinians back into the area (which the US has wanted since 1967 but no one had nerve enough to insist upon)--that will remove a major reason for why the Arab world hates the US...and of course, make Israel to dry-cleaning service for uniforms of all US soldiers involved in the conflict.
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Originally Posted by devideeQ predicted this...
Yes and leave NZ out of this nonsense.
Assassination? No. Soleimani was a troublemaker caught with his hand in the cookie jar in Iraq and got what was coming to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakei feel comfortable calling assassinating a foreign leader an act of war.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonaldTrumpsHairPiece
Act of war? Maybe, but in some respects we've been in a cold war with Iran since 1979. Iran has been getting intoxicated on their own waft for too long now and needed to be put in camel clutch, fucked in ass and made humble.
I have no issue with the action or the president's right to make it. Congress ceded this authority a LONG time ago and you can't put the genie back in the bottle just because you don't like who the genie is.
My problem is that I have zero confidence in the president's decision making in general and no confidence in his veracity.
All in all I want someone else calling these shots, aside from that it's a righteous action IMO.
Rose McGowan flipped out on Twitter, apologized to Iran, got destroyed, and then walked it back.
https://noqreport.com/2020/01/03/ros...wan-dear-iran/
LOL Hollywood
Ah yes, every country on earth makes plans to attack/kill diplomats. Where are you coming from on this, as if that's perfectly acceptable?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
its the equivalent of killing bolton or rumsfeld at the respective peaks of their careers.
also...:
“General Suleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region,”
thats called war games. every country on earth does this. what if we did this, what would happen if we did that, how would we accomplish x y z. you actively develop plans so youre ready to pivot to responses in real time.
Before Rose McGowan went crazy, she was once hot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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Israel lobby in action...it will also take aim at anyone that associates with her from now onQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You might disagree with the deal but it was agreed by all the major international players and the process for the US to make the deal was approved overwhelmingly by Congress, which had a period to review it and could have voted it down but didn't. It was universally agreed by everyone to be working, and it was extremely reckless of Trump to withdraw. He called it a bad deal and said he'd get a better deal but hasn't proposed one and nobody is working on it. Like the ACA and everything else, he isn't actually interested in addressing issues. All he wants to do is undo everything Obama did, just because he is the one who did it. What is Trump's solution to anything?Quote:
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Originally Posted by blakei'm pretty sure this is wrong, or at the very least, the US is convinced they don't have them or we wouldn't have attacked them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
countries with nuclear weapons don't get attacked
you may be right of course, there is no real proof either way, but consider the following:
- many years ago, we started the 'iran is within X years of having nuclear weapons'. we are well beyond that window at this point.
- dprk was also considered a non-nuclear nationstate until they tested their first nuke.
- both dprk and iran have extremely strong relationships with pakistan, who essentially provided a turn-key nuclear solution to dprk.
- we have been catching shipments of supplies for enrichment facilities to iran for not years but decades. ask the war on drugs what our interception stats look like.
- dprk lacked the sophistication/ability to test nuclear weapons in virtualized contexts, hence the tests. iran has no such limitations, in terms of both brainpower and economic resources. further, we test our own nuclear stockpiles at labs like lawrence livermore using software. this software is, of course, highly sensitive. both apt34 (iran) and apt3 (china) have been caught deep in virtually all of our classified networks. and we have a demonstrated kill chain of information sharing among russia and china based on the OPM hack, where the exfiltrated data managed to somehow leak from china into russian intelligence hands, and was used to flag CIA operatives under diplomatic cover by using very simple forensic indicators like income. so even if you subscribe to the belief that apt34 hasnt pilfered the software necessary to model nuclear weapon performance from our infrastructure, you also have to be sure that russia and china apts have failed as well. that assumption is difficult to justify based on the overwhelming evidence at bar of their respective successes.
the only material proof to your assertion would be iran's declaration that nuclear weapons are haram.
and this, again, is not a bankable perspective because if iran simply kept its enriched uranium payloads, firing mechanisms, and containment vessels in 3 different rooms, it can maintain the philosophical position that it does not have a single actual nuclear weapon, despite being moments away from assembling/arming at any given moment.
lastly, and this is my final note on the subject, you have placed stock in the assertion that our government would not go to war with a nuclear power.
our government did not strike iran. trump struck iran. the only people who knew about it were graham, russia, and the guests at mar a lago within earshot when trump announced he was going to bloody iran's nose.
if you see iran roll back its position on nuclear weapons being haram, stock up on iodine pills and avoid major coastal cities, i suggest.
the 'evidence' that iran was preparing to strike american interests came in 3 banner points basically;
1) suleimani had traveled to iraq, lebanon, and syria to meet with shia proxies with a history of anti-american opinions/conduct. note that hes been doing this for his entire adult life pretty much.
2) there was some evidence that indicated suleimani had requested approval for what may have been an operation from tehran, and tehran had said to come for further face to face consultation. one could interpret this as approval for an op, but it could also be a request for vacation days or arranging for retirement or promotion of a subordinate or literally anything; the nature of this request was never determined.
3) iran had become increasingly hostile towards american interests in iraq, demonstrated by a recent attack that killed an american contractor and the embassy protest.
the exact words used by an intelligence official present for the intelligence briefing was that connecting the dots between the 3 banner points and an imminent threat on american lives was an, and again, officials words here; 'illogical leap'.
make of that what you will.
shout out to tucker fucking carlson being dramatically to the left of this absolute shithole.
Tine,
What should America’s reaction be when a foreign nation state attacks our soft targets abroad? Not our troops I think we all understand that is part of conflict/war.
What should America’s response be to the person responsible for killing the most Americans since Bin Laden?
tucker's been hugely consistent in being anti-war. it's the main reason he loves tulsi
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Originally Posted by abrown83
north korea killed otto warmbier.
saudi arabia killed jamal kashoggi.
zero point zero consequences.
but we target the one guy whose somehow just as dangerous as a martyr as he is alive, and do so by deliberately bypassing all the checks and balances in place to prevent one (1) person from starting a war? it just doesnt pass the smell test to me.
we're in great hands.
"There is only one valid belief system, I know whats good for everyone, and anyone who disagrees is an enemy."
- GOP Evangelists
- Donald Trump
if i had to pinpoint my biggest concern regarding this situation, i think it's my belief that trump is, from a medical perspective, "intellectually disabled."
that worries me guys
“I will say the big headline is, this is a huge victory for American intelligence, a huge victory for our military, a huge victory for the State Department, and a huge victory and total leadership by the president.”
Sean "Deep State" Hannity
Warmbier was an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
north korea killed otto warmbier.
saudi arabia killed jamal kashoggi.
zero point zero consequences.
but we target the one guy whose somehow just as dangerous as a martyr as he is alive, and do so by deliberately bypassing all the checks and balances in place to prevent one (1) person from starting a war? it just doesnt pass the smell test to me.
Kashoggi wasn’t an American....for fucks sake
Also, how do you feel about the 2500 to 3000 drone strikes Obama approved without using the checks and balances?
If the person in office wasn’t named Trump but Obama, Clinton, hell even Bush how would you feel about this?
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Originally Posted by abrown83Warmbier was an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Kashoggi wasn’t an American....for fucks sake
Also, how do you feel about the 2500 to 3000 drone strikes Obama approved without using the checks and balances?
If the person in office wasn’t named Trump but Obama, Clinton, hell even Bush how would you feel about this?
none of the people you listed would be so clinically stupid as to kill the 2nd most powerful person in iran.
also im unaware of any of those drone strikes targetting senior officials in a foreign government, perhaps you can educate me there?
quick reminder that the GOP is literally a cult of populist anti-intellectualism:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/curiosi...vote-poll-gop/
Obviously Trump attacked Iran, one of Russia’s closest allies, because Putin ordered him to do it.
- signed every Boomer
totally normal thing to tweet.
Six years ago, Sheldon Adelson suggested this to Obama in a speech at Yeshiva University in New York:
What are we going to negotiate about? I would say ‘Listen, you see that desert out there, I want to show you something.’ …You pick up your cell phone and you call somewhere in Nebraska and you say, ‘OK let it go.’ And so there’s an atomic weapon, goes over ballistic missiles, the middle of the desert, that doesn’t hurt a soul. Maybe a couple of rattlesnakes, and scorpions, or whatever. Then you say, ‘See! The next one is in the middle of Tehran. So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development.
...in case anyone wondered if Sheldon Adelson, Donald Trumps #1 funds donor had any influence on what happened on January 3rd.
Influence? Like-minded thinking, probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
However, Truman (‘Merica) took precisely this action. The atomic bombing of Japan was intended to put Stalin in the right frame of mind during post WWII settlement/negotiations.
Our nuclear action in Japan and continued threat shaped Russia’s fear and distrust of the US. Truman and the Truman n doctrine folks.Quote:
On July 16, the first atom bomb was tested successfully at Alamogordo, N.M. On July 17, Truman sat down to talk with Stalin. And on Aug. 6, a bomb would fall on Hiroshima, ultimately killing an estimated 130,000 Japanese and changing the world.
I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. I have sat out many times but my record is pure. But I am really trying hard with the Democrats.
I got real issues with Sander’s policies but that the guy is moral and sincere in his conviction is beyond dispute. I could do a term of Carter following Nixon. It would be good for us.
The rest of the Democratic clown show has walked back and amended their initial response to the Soleimani hit. Sanders’ response didn’t screw around. You can listen to promises or you can witness Sanders’ behavior and votes. No fucking around. Guy is pure
His speech in Iowa immediately after the assassination made me proud such a person exists.
You can quibble about what our responses should be over there. How should we moderate our escalation or whatever-the-fuck. We shouldn’t have ever been there in the first place. You make that observation and you have my fucking ear with your ideas on how to go forward.
Sanders vs Trump on stage in a debate would be historic. A clash. In contrast, Old Joe Biden would be left weeping after some intellectual seizure. Trump will waste him. Biden has been credited with being “lucid” after recent debates. Yeah, damned by faint praise.
http://youtu.be/N-05PUO_vFM
Last time I’ll be serious here for a while. Back to your schtick
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Originally Posted by sonatine
You would only want to tweet something like this if #WWIII was trending and everyone under the age of 25 with a handle was tweeting about getting drafted.
In hindsight this was completely normal.
Trump needs to kill these motherfuckers.
We got a cruise missile with Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei's name on it.
The only thing Obama sent the Ayatollah was a secret love letter about Islamic terrorists and peace. Fuck that shit.
You're next motherfucker.
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