CNN called it for Joe Biden the second polls closed. Means it's going to be a blowout if they called it right away.
CNN called it for Joe Biden the second polls closed. Means it's going to be a blowout if they called it right away.
NO FUCKIN MERCY.
It looks incredibly bad for Bloomberg. I would much prefer him as the alternate to Bernie as opposed to Biden, but the networks are pushing him to drop even before Super Tuesday and use his ads for Biden, because if he doesn’t, then Biden can’t catch Bernie. He almost guarantees Bernie taking a delegate lead into convention. I hope he doesn’t drop. I don’t want any part of Biden, but Bloomberg needs to make some giant leap to be viable, and anything other than that assures Bernie going to convention ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Something I learned today. Bloomberg has paid his 2,500 staff through November! So if he drops out after Super Tuesday, he's going to be using his resources to help Biden.
Look at my African Americans over there!
If this margin holds (over 30%), Biden's going to become the delegate leader going in to Super Tuesday.
Biden/Harris 2020?
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Fucking Steyer. Spent $200 million, basically lived in S.C., ran on reparations and gets 0 delegates for the effort. See ya later my man.
Wow, that's very disrespectful. Let's honor Steyer dropping out properly by sharing this video
Credit where credit is due.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIT thisYeah, I might cover depending on how low he gets. Biden could win by 20 tomorrow pretty easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
With 99% reporting, Sleepy Joe woke up almost 50% of the Dem primary voters there, with Sanders a distant second at about 20%. Meaning, it really was an epic...Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIT this
Who would vote for Tom Steyer or Mike Bloomberg for President?
I guess the same people who thought Howard Dean would make a good President?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6i-gYRAwM0
i really lol @ woody harrelson playing ol' chompers on snl
Biden stomps on Bernie by 28.5 points in SC.
Wow.
Bigger than any projections.
The old senile coot is back alive.
Bernie is going to kill it in the west, but Biden should win big in the southeast.
Placed a longshot bet in Oklahoma on Bloomberg -- one of the few states where he has a chance at the moment.
Looks like a model from Drakes spring collection.Quote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
My pro-Bernie spin:
- more votes than in 2016, when he was against just one opponent
- only candidate to be top-2 in every state
- Biden spent 9mil in SC, Bernie 800k
Best case scenario: Bernie crushes CA, strong 2nd place in south. Centrist spoilers stay in until end of March (Bloomberg, Pete). Bernie wins plurality of delegates and somehow the DNC decide not to fuck him
if bernie doesn't enter the convention with the requisite number of delegates to win the nomination, he's absolutely getting fucked.
I think he will have the most pledged delegates. I think you’re probably right he gets fucked. I also think any down ballot concerns that go along with Bernie are also the result in an election where easily half of Bernies base sits out. If Bernie were getting fucked for some great candidate that independents were crazy about, it might not be the case. There isn’t a candidate anyone is enthusiastic about period. It’s which bad choice do we make so I don’t see a win anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
This is a GOP dream scenario unless corona virus continues and economy keeps tanking. If you hate Trump enough to wish that, not saying you do, that’s pretty much the only hope. That’s where we are at. The Dems produced a field so bad that only a plague can save them.
If Bernie has a significant lead, I'm not so sure. They definitely have to factor in all the 'corrupt DNC rigged it' sentiment. 'I told you so! Biden is only in this race because the DNC cheated!' would probably be an effective attack during the General.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
i think there are enough people who remember how hillary beat trump in all the polls who are going to think twice about shafting bernie for biden.
conservative texas latino democrats are trending bernie, thats significant.
and the downballot concerns are only concerns right now, i dont see any real actionable data backing them up beyond the obvious pipe dream factor behind debt relief and, to a lesser extent, medical insurance reform.
plus even if the house passed debt relief bills, 1000 times out of 1000 the senate nukes them, and that could translate into a blue wave if bernie presents republican obstruction as the only thing standing between millions of people and freedom of forced indentured fiscal slavery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P4ubDTpjhI
This is true, everyone would have to pay more in taxes in order to implement Bernie Sanders socialist programs.
Yes, a lot of wealthy people pay a great deal in taxes, however a lot of them know how to cheat the system and transfer money to overseas tax shelters. The system of taxing businesses is not fair. Why does Home Depot pay 36% in taxes and Amazon 0%?
Right now Biden is leading in the popular vote, and Sanders is leading in the delegate count. Sanders is benefiting from an electoral college like system. What ever happened to respecting the will of the voters?Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanIf Bernie has a significant lead, I'm not so sure. They definitely have to factor in all the 'corrupt DNC rigged it' sentiment. 'I told you so! Biden is only in this race because the DNC cheated!' would probably be an effective attack during the General.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
In what? A national poll of 50 crack addicts in South Carolina?Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIT thisRight now Biden is leading in the popular vote, and Sanders is leading in the delegate count. Sanders is benefiting from an electoral college like system. What ever happened to respecting the will of the voters?Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
Are you fucking nuts?
The only other state besides South Carolina that Biden is winning is North Carolina. Every other state Biden is losing.
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Uhh... in the actual vote totals of people who have voted so far. Look it up yourself. It's not an opinion, it's a factual statement you can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactorIn what? A national poll of 50 crack addicts in South Carolina?Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIT this
Are you fucking nuts?
The only other state besides South Carolina that Biden is winning is North Carolina. Every other state Biden is losing.
Bet. I'll give you 10 to 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
States where Biden is likely to win:
Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennesse, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware.
I'll take even odds for Biden winning any one of these states. Pick your favorite state where Biden's a lock to lose. I'll take Biden and you can have the field. Druff will escrow.
These are the only vote totals that mean anything.
Bernie Sanders...58 delegates
Joe Biden...50 delegates
Pete Buttigieg...26 delegates
Elizabeth Warren...8 delegates
Amy Klobuchar...7 delegates
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Ahh... so you are in favor of DNC rigging instead of letting voters decide. Just checking.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
EITHER we should abide by the popular vote, OR we should abide by the DNC rules. You can't abide by DNC rules when it suits you and abide by popular vote when it doesn't. That's trying to have your cake and eat it too.
honestly
the margin of improvement that literally any one of these candidates would present over the status quo, is so overwhelming, that i genuinely dont care which of them gets nominated.
I would have to do the math, but my guess is the amount Biden beats Bernie by in all those states combined doesn’t equal what Bernie will beat Joe by in California alone. The biggest would be Florida where 1.5 million voted last time. California had over 5 million when it was way later after it was already decided. I would guess they’ll be at 7 million this time around. Then he’s going to crush him in Colorado and beat him soundly in Texas also. Neither the delegates nor the popular vote will be close after Tuesday. Bernie will have a sizeable lead in both.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIT this
Texas might be closer than you think. But I agree with you, and it's why Bernie is still the favorite. But, things could definitely turn around. March 17th will be a big primary day when Florida, Illinois, Ohio, and Arizona vote. All big delegate states. Biden will be a big favorite in Florida. Then in the other 3 states, Sanders is a favorite right now, but these are all states where Biden /could/ win. Arizon would be the hardest, but if Biden pulls an upset and wins Florida, Ohio, and Illinois, this race becomes a toss-up. There's also the final debate on March 15th, which could shake things up. Some other possible events that would really shake the race up:Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRI would have to do the math, but my guess is the amount Biden beats Bernie by in all those states combined doesn’t equal what Bernie will beat Joe by in California alone. The biggest would be Florida where 1.5 million voted last time. California had over 5 million when it was way later after it was already decided. I would guess they’ll be at 7 million this time around. Then he’s going to crush him in Colorado and beat him soundly in Texas also. Neither the delegates nor the popular vote will be close after Tuesday. Bernie will have a sizeable lead in both.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIT this
- Bloomberg drops out right after Super Tuesday and throws his resources behind Biden (pretty good likelihood)
- Obama endorses Biden, or trashes Bernie without explicitly endorsing Biden (unlikely, but possible)
- Bernie has another heart-attack (unlikely, but Pence is praying for it)
Bloomberg, Warren, Bernie and Biden will stay in until the Democratic convention.
Trump prefers to go up against Sanders and he is urging his supporters to help make Bernie the democratic nominee.
Be careful what you wish for.
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You make a lot of very dumb statements, but never back it up with your wallet. Which makes me think you don't actually believe the things you're saying, or you're totally broke. Either way, waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
Pete dropping out! bye felicia
Biden endorsement pendingQuote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
LOL at how obvious it's become that CNN is the DNC's puppet.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
I mean, he's not wrong in the video, but 100% this was produced because they are trying to bash Bernie on behalf of their DNC buddies who hate him.
I love how the Bernie Bros are finally waking up and saying, "Oh wow, Trump actually had a point about the biased media!"
This helps Joe big time to be viable in California. Joe still gets killed, but certainly viable. Helps him elsewhere also. I heard he was wavering last night. Makes sense he’d be the easiest to push out. He has a future to worry about. The rest are ancient.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
I was just talking with Master Scalir about the primary last night, and he asked what I thought about Pete.
I told him that Pete has 40 years remaining to try to become President, so he has no urgency here. I also stated that I don't think Pete wants to hitch has wagon as VP to a fail candidate, which is pretty much what he'd be doing regardless of who the Democratic nominee ends up being.
Pete probably feels that he accomplished all he could, and that given a lack of realistic path to victory in any of the remaining states, he might as well drop out and use this as a building block for next time. He won Iowa and finished a very close 2nd in NH. As a 38-year-old former mayor, that's enough for the moment. Rather than get embarrassed throughout the remainder of the election, he dropped out and can hit the continue button in 2024 and beyond.
Pete is probably hoping that two things can change by the time he runs again. First, perhaps he will develop a better strategy to reach out to minorities and get their essential support, which for him was nonexistent. Second, he is probably hoping that as years pass, black people start to warm up to gays as the rest of the country has, and will be more willing to vote for him.
Believe it or not, Pete could also reinvent himself as a Republican, and then he won't need the black vote to win. He would still have to win over the Christian conservative vote, which might be tough, but he might be able to squeak by without a large portion of them.
He's such an insincere phony that I think he'd make any transformation possible in order to further his political career.
I do think that Pete might back Biden, possibly just to give a middle finger to Bernie, whom he clearly doesn't like.
As usual your analysis is spot on. In states where Warren, Biden, Bloomberg, and Buttigieg were competitive, it'd be hard for all of them to get to 15%. Now it's a lot easier. Also helpful to Warren in MA and Klob in MN.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCRThis helps Joe big time to be viable in California. Joe still gets killed, but certainly viable. Helps him elsewhere also. I heard he was wavering last night. Makes sense he’d be the easiest to push out. He has a future to worry about. The rest are ancient.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrTickle
i have to assume a lot of the candidates are just hanging on long enough to gain name recognition for 2024 but not long enough for it to be awkward.
The reason Bloomberg and Warren are staying in the race is that they are hoping for a contested convention and that somehow the DNC superdelegates will make them President.
Why Elizabeth Warren thinks she can still win the nomination
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