Time to get on the TRUMP train

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Yeah bad bluff.

Google "domino theory" and ask yourself whether or not America can afford to lose the Europe to Russian or even Chinese influence.

Unless you're pointing out that this is exactly what Trump's end game is because all this is about him not getting into the right social clubs in Manhattan so fuck America.

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I'm not talking about what happens to us if we go isolationist. We tried it and it didn't work too well. I'm asking the guy who says that Trump and the U.S. are a joke in Europe what would happen to Europe without us.

Hell, you bring up a better point that what I originally thought of. How long could Europe and NATO stand in the face of Putin and the Chinese without the U.S.? What happens on the global stage if the meddling and empire building crusaders in the U.S. decide to pull funding and troops from the U.N?

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Yeah bad bluff.

Google "domino theory" and ask yourself whether or not America can afford to lose the Europe to Russian or even Chinese influence.

Unless you're pointing out that this is exactly what Trump's end game is because all this is about him not getting into the right social clubs in Manhattan so fuck America.

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I'm not talking about what happens to us if we go isolationist. We tried it and it didn't work too well. I'm asking the guy who says that Trump and the U.S. are a joke in Europe what would happen to Europe without us.

Hell, you bring up a better point that what I originally thought of. How long could Europe and NATO stand in the face of Putin and the Chinese without the U.S.? What happens on the global stage if the meddling and empire building crusaders in the U.S. decide to pull funding and troops from the U.N?

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Its hard to say how that shakes out but the thing is, its a pretty well established event sequence if we leave Europe to the wolves and it always ends with nukes being fired in anger.

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

Wunderbar

Here's what your "Home Run" looked like to the whole of Europe, Donald.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA8rJPTXYAAckp9.jpg

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Serious question for you since Trump and the U.S. are such a joke in the Old World. What happens on your continent if every single American soldier and piece of military hardware were removed from Europe tomorrow? You love to joke about Trump, who I admit invites it upon himself, and talk about how the United State fucks things up world wide, but what happens if our military isn't there to police the world? For all the fucked up shit we've done overseas, the U.S. has had an overall positive effect when it comes to keeping a status quo (not really peace) on the global stage.

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Britain and France are both nuclear powers. So Western Europe would be fine.

Though I must admit those former Soviet Eastern Block countries would be up for grabs again (which is Putin's ultimate end game in all of this)

Putin gets the band back together and eventually closes the gap in power between the US and the new Soviet Union. Definitely not what you want.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Its hard to say how that shakes out but the thing is, its a pretty well established event sequence if we leave Europe to the wolves and it always ends with nukes being fired in anger.

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In you mind, do you think that Russia or China would nuke Europe rather than invade or do you think the Brits and the French go scorched Earth and try to fuck everything up when they realize they will lose after being invaded? My thought is that Russia could conceivably roll through the whole of Europe with medium casualties at worst if the nukes don't come into play. In all honesty, I think that the U.S. and Russia would fight to a stalemate if both were able to get their full forces on a broad enough battlefield, but I don't think we could hold off China if they managed to get even half their forces across the Pacific to North American soil. The numbers game catches up at some point.

The Merkel meme's a great but we need to take her off the pedestal, she may be a crazy drunk bitch. Merkel is the poster woman for mass Muslim immigration. They want to do that here, I say let's see and what happens there first. Her popularity may be soaring because of her opposition to Trump but they'll use that as an excuse to bring in more Muslims, Canada's being Soros'd as well.
Serious question, how's it working out?

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The Merkel meme's a great but we need to take her off the pedestal, she may be a crazy drunk bitch. Merkel is the poster woman for mass Muslim immigration. They want to do that here, I say let's see and what happens there first. Her popularity may be soaring because of her opposition to Trump but they'll use that as an excuse to bring in more Muslims, Canada's being Soros'd as well.
Serious question, how's it working out?

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She's German. She could probably drink 6 of those and not feel it.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Its hard to say how that shakes out but the thing is, its a pretty well established event sequence if we leave Europe to the wolves and it always ends with nukes being fired in anger.

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In you mind, do you think that Russia or China would nuke Europe rather than invade or do you think the Brits and the French go scorched Earth and try to fuck everything up when they realize they will lose after being invaded? My thought is that Russia could conceivably roll through the whole of Europe with medium casualties at worst if the nukes don't come into play. In all honesty, I think that the U.S. and Russia would fight to a stalemate if both were able to get their full forces on a broad enough battlefield, but I don't think we could hold off China if they managed to get even half their forces across the Pacific to North American soil. The numbers game catches up at some point.

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This post is just insane. Are you on the ale?

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

Wunderbar

Here's what your "Home Run" looked like to the whole of Europe, Donald.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA8rJPTXYAAckp9.jpg

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The same 5 assholes couldn't convince the U.K. To stay. The EU isn't going anywhere. As a "project" it is a big plus to Germany and they really do own Europe. The EU got put on notice this week. We are still friends but you need to pay your way with us too.

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Originally Posted by Daly

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

Wunderbar

Here's what your "Home Run" looked like to the whole of Europe, Donald.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA8rJPTXYAAckp9.jpg

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The same 5 assholes couldn't convince the U.K. To stay. The EU isn't going anywhere. As a "project" it is a big plus to Germany and they really do own Europe. The EU got put on notice this week. We are still friends but you need to pay your way with us too.

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Brexit was 99% internal in the sense that the other EU leaders didn't really come into the discussion when the leave/remain debate was being held by our politicians/public. EU just had to hold its breath and hope. I was Trump style shocked as the results came in. Certainly wasn't how I voted.

btw I whole heartily agree that other NATO countries should be paying their way. But Trump suggesting they should be spending way more than 2% GDP on defence is ridiculous. And suggesting the US gets some kind of backdated refund from NATO is beyond farcical.

Nice little read here on where Merkel was coming from after she earlier bashed the UK and US in a speech.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/kaffe...rewing-germany

Tellafriend: bunch of moochers

UK pays its way. Tis the others that are the moochers.


Don't know who negotiated the 2% of GDP. But it should've been a strict condition of the original NATO agreement. Instead it was put in the contract as just an 'obligation'.

So moochers gonna mooch.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/w...r-weapons.html


sorry, we were discussing how leaving nato's ass in the wind is going to result in nukes fired in anger, if i recall correctly?


way to fucking go trump.

A break down of the Marc Rich pardon and much more.
Holy shit this blew my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-pHmSHwjzU&t
Plenty of similarities to what we face now.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/w...r-weapons.html


sorry, we were discussing how leaving nato's ass in the wind is going to result in nukes fired in anger, if i recall correctly?


way to fucking go trump.

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I'm gonna go ahead and need you to calm down.

Melania hears something to smile about. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN18O0G0

jesus cheeto looks like he swallowed a cockroach.

srlsy, gave the reporter a "come fuck me smile"

Ran across an report online that there are photos of Trump during his recent Mideast tour that were intentionally held back by the press that have shown up in an anonymous forum, possibly posted by a member of the press corps who is afraid of getting banned by Team Trump if identified. To prevent webcrawlers from finding this in an image search, I've reposted one of them here in a spoiler tag.

 

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Originally Posted by Daly

The same 5 assholes couldn't convince the U.K. To stay. The EU isn't going anywhere. As a "project" it is a big plus to Germany and they really do own Europe. The EU got put on notice this week. We are still friends but you need to pay your way with us too.

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Brexit was 99% internal in the sense that the other EU leaders didn't really come into the discussion when the leave/remain debate was being held by our politicians/public. EU just had to hold its breath and hope. I was Trump style shocked as the results came in. Certainly wasn't how I voted.

btw I whole heartily agree that other NATO countries should be paying their way. But Trump suggesting they should be spending way more than 2% GDP on defence is ridiculous. And suggesting the US gets some kind of backdated refund from NATO is beyond farcical.

Nice little read here on where Merkel was coming from after she earlier bashed the UK and US in a speech.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/kaffe...rewing-germany

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I have a lot of freinds over on Canary Wharf that were also shocked about the Brexit. Even if the vote came down 54/46 to stay 46% is enough of the vote that should signal people have some real Concerns. Same thing if Hillary won here. You hate to view either of these "victories" as a mandate but I honestly think people want the left to tap the breaks on a globalist/socialist agenda. I think conservatives realize the fastest way to losing power in the US or to lose momentum in the U.K. Is to go full "elections have consequences" mode. I think you are seeing that in the USA now. There really isn't much standing in the way of tax "reform", Obamacare rewrite etc but they don't want to touch the third rail so quickly. Liberals went full retard in 2008. Before they could even close the deal on the ACA they lost Ted Kennedys seat in Massachusetts..... Massachusetts! Still they pressed on got this PoS ACA and have lost the entire political war since 2009 with the one exception being the reelection of our first black president (lots of votes from typical non voters, sadly enough).

I think the point on 2% of GDP is because if the USA pulled out tomorrow they would likely have to spend 12% in order to not be vulnerable. We are 20T in debt and one of the many things we have to show for it is the worlds best Military by a factor of 10X. The whole of Europe/NATO benefits from that even if they don't want to admit it. Same with Japan and S Korea for that matter. I think the retro payments were put in the table as the first thing to go in a negotiation. That said I do think we are going to have a new/different/better deal with NATO and Europe going forward.

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Originally Posted by Daly

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud

Brexit was 99% internal in the sense that the other EU leaders didn't really come into the discussion when the leave/remain debate was being held by our politicians/public. EU just had to hold its breath and hope. I was Trump style shocked as the results came in. Certainly wasn't how I voted.

btw I whole heartily agree that other NATO countries should be paying their way. But Trump suggesting they should be spending way more than 2% GDP on defence is ridiculous. And suggesting the US gets some kind of backdated refund from NATO is beyond farcical.

Nice little read here on where Merkel was coming from after she earlier bashed the UK and US in a speech.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/kaffe...rewing-germany

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I have a lot of freinds over on Canary Wharf that were also shocked about the Brexit. Even if the vote came down 54/46 to stay 46% is enough of the vote that should signal people have some real Concerns. Same thing if Hillary won here. You hate to view either of these "victories" as a mandate but I honestly think people want the left to tap the breaks on a globalist/socialist agenda. I think conservatives realize the fastest way to losing power in the US or to lose momentum in the U.K. Is to go full "elections have consequences" mode. I think you are seeing that in the USA now. There really isn't much standing in the way of tax "reform", Obamacare rewrite etc but they don't want to touch the third rail so quickly. Liberals went full retard in 2008. Before they could even close the deal on the ACA they lost Ted Kennedys seat in Massachusetts..... Massachusetts! Still they pressed on got this PoS ACA and have lost the entire political war since 2009 with the one exception being the reelection of our first black president (lots of votes from typical non voters, sadly enough).

I think the point on 2% of GDP is because if the USA pulled out tomorrow they would likely have to spend 12% in order to not be vulnerable. We are 20T in debt and one of the many things we have to show for it is the worlds best Military by a factor of 10X. The whole of Europe/NATO benefits from that even if they don't want to admit it. Same with Japan and S Korea for that matter. I think the retro payments were put in the table as the first thing to go in a negotiation. That said I do think we are going to have a new/different/better deal with NATO and Europe going forward.

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People that voted for brexit weren't looking to weaken the socialist agenda, if anything they were looking to strengthen that. That's where the "if we leave we can give 350 million to NHS (National Health Service) every week"-part comes from.

The 2% was agreed upon in 2014 as a goal for 2024. It's not 2024.

I didn't know this, amazing. If you don't want to become Sanders supporter don't press play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmPsX2tNV1Y

Update: My instincts about Merkel were correct. Once these US companies get in compliance of German law the switch to the US and probably the rest of the world will be easy. They may decide to implement German law on everyone voluntarily. Merkel's being presented as the face of infinite wisdom but many people say she destroyed Germany, altho probably not for long. I don't know if she did or didn't but here's a quote fr The Washington Times.

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But at her party convention this month, German Chancellor Angela Merkel came out forcefully for a ban on Islamic face veils, or burqas, wherever “legally possible,” and vowed never to allow a repeat of the surge of refugees that has split her party and the nation.

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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...ng-hate-speech
How Germany Is Tackling Hate Speech
New Legislation Targets U.S. Social Media Companies
By Heidi Tworek

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Social media platforms may have once been praised as an inherently democratizing force, but in recent years they’ve gained more notoriety for the hate and harassment propogated on their networks. In response, the German government has taken the most decisive action of any democracy yet. In April 2017, the German cabinet passed new legislation on hate speech that the German Bundestag is scheduled to adopt in the summer. The law enables Germany to fine social media companies up to 50 million euros ($55 million) for not reacting swiftly enough to reports of illegal content or hate speech.

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Helluva fine

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...america-238872


So honestly forget Russia, forget leaks, this is the actual first shoe dropping; middle America just met the budget cuts they voted for.