duped_samaritan: Had nothing to do with the post lol, just mocking his intellect
natch but my question still stands of course.
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duped_samaritan: Had nothing to do with the post lol, just mocking his intellect
natch but my question still stands of course.
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Originally Posted by TheXFactor
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Originally Posted by sonatine
In my humble (and current) opinion.............Quote:
because morality doesnt come into an impeachment, its about constitutional law / executive branch law.
if it was not illegal for the president to hire a foreign power to gin up a conspiracy theory built from the ground up to help a president get re-elected, then im sorry but there isnt much to impeach on here.
i hope that it's illegal, for obvious reasons, but ultimately someone with an actual education on the subject should be trotted out to make his case.
Impeachment doesn't (and shouldn't) have shit to do with whether or not the President broke a law. I think the only reason it's such a big deal is because it's something relatable for americans to talk about.
Congress has no business enforcing laws anyway since they are the ones that write them. It's super clear in the constitution that an impeachment + Senate conviction doesn't mean a man is guilty of anything. It just means they are unemployed.
When it comes down to it, I don't think impeachment is much different than the Board of a major company voting to remove the CEO to keep the stock holders happy. The company shouldn't have to keep a CEO they think sucks because they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he sucks.
It’s official: The FOP has resoundingly come out in favor of a fascistic rightwing American presidency.
The Fraternal Order of Police’s attack on impeachment reads like it was written by Sean Hannity
America’s largest police union doesn’t seem to understand what “due process” is.
https://www.vox.com/2019/11/1/209432...s-sean-hannity
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Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
none of this strikes me as 'wrong' but again id like to hear a constitutionally accurate/educated/informed opinion from a subject matter expert, and its weirdly hard to find.
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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
No shit, no actual man would follow the lead of the biggest faggot on the planet adam Schiff
Apparently the Israeli government just banned dancing. That has to be fake news. Someone google dancing Israelis and confirm.
TIA
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Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
none of this strikes me as 'wrong' but again id like to hear a constitutionally accurate/educated/informed opinion from a subject matter expert, and its weirdly hard to find.
aaaand this will do:
The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct by officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, refusal to obey a lawful order, chronic intoxication, and tax evasion.
so basically he's fucked and the only saving graces he has going for him is he wasnt drunk and people keep mysteriously misplacing his tax filing documents.
The untouchable God King.
But there are lots of people touching him in that pic.Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
The untouchable God King.
And look to the left, someone's grabbing a pussy over there.
Legit.
How about that Terry Bean, you guys.
All the best people.
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Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
i don't think the framers of the constitution intended that a duly-elected president could be thrown out of office at the discretion of the legislature. that would seem to make the legislative branch superior to the executive.
the founders made impeachment possible only for "high crimes and misdemeanors." they didn't have to include that phrase so we have to assume that it was intended to mean something.
the problem is there's no real definition of what that means and no one uses that phrase anymore. from what i've read on the subject, i don't think actual criminality is required for impeachment. it looks like "high crimes and misdemeanors" was a term of art that meant something other than actual crimes. disloyalty, abuse of power, etc., will probably suffice.
The legislative branch doesn't have the power to decide that someone has or has not committed a crime though.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
i don't think the framers of the constitution intended that a duly-elected president could be thrown out of office at the discretion of the legislature. that would seem to make the legislative branch superior to the executive.
the founders made impeachment possible only for "high crimes and misdemeanors." they didn't have to include that phrase so we have to assume that it was intended to mean something.
the problem is there's no real definition of what that means and no one uses that phrase anymore. from what i've read on the subject, i don't think actual criminality is required for impeachment. it looks like "high crimes and misdemeanors" was a term of art that meant something other than actual crimes. disloyalty, abuse of power, etc., will probably suffice.
It's definitely interesting to think about and I'm not totally confident in my stance.
"So they have a brand-new president in Ukraine, good guy by the way. I’m on a phone and I know many people are on the phone,” Trump said before mocking the idea that he wanted help in digging up dirt on his potential 2020 rival, Joe Biden. “Because when you call the leaders of country many people listen. I’m on the phone and they want me to say to this brand-new president who just got there, called to congratulate him, ‘Please, could you help me?'”
“I’m an honest person anyway,” Trump claimed. “Do you think when I’m making a call to a newly elected president of the country that I would say something improper, when I know there are so many people listening on the line?”
good point by trump here. you'd have to think he is an actual retard to believe he would threaten the ukraine even though people are listening, and that can't be right.
I reckon he thought he could get away with it, if he didn't directly mention the aid he held up. He knew what he was doing, he wanted dirt and tried to get it without obviously breaking laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Don't believe a word he says, the manner in which he's trying to discredit Schiff for clearly paraphrasing the events in question is extremely dishonest. Verging on comedy.
yeah I'm being sarcastic. he is obviously a retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusI reckon he thought he could get away with it, if he didn't directly mention the aid he held up. He knew what he was doing, he wanted dirt and tried to get it without obviously breaking laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Don't believe a word he says, the manner in which he's trying to discredit Schiff for clearly paraphrasing the events in question is extremely dishonest. Verging on comedy.
Not that I know shit about Schiff, he could be another dishonest politician for all I know. But carrying on like a fucking child and clearly making things up to discredit him is retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeyeah I'm being sarcastic. he is obviously a retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
He even said it three times I believe that he was paraphrasing.
I hope he wins another term honestly, the comedy/entertainment is priceless.
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
aaaand this will do:
The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct by officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, refusal to obey a lawful order, chronic intoxication, and tax evasion.
so basically he's fucked and the only saving graces he has going for him is he wasnt drunk and people keep mysteriously misplacing his tax filing documents.
An appropriate song for this moment in history.
https://youtu.be/wqbEsS5kFb8
how horrible is this line? ya trump didnt make it at all in NY becoming POTUS. imagine following the lead of pelosi, schumer and Schiff, these are the leaders of the wannabe tranny blowers. can't you see that u need to let the democrats fail miserably and get new ppl at the top of the party. and not the squad JFC u are guys are a mess
Agreed. Insulting people on Twitter is beneath someone in such a high office.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
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Originally Posted by tony bagadonutsSource?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
https://www.constitution.org/cmt/high_crimes.htm
New York City area UFC fans gave Trump a grand send-off from being a resident of their fair state.
https://youtu.be/FLyJYCs1xVk
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Also relevant and pretty interesting: https://harvardlawreview.org/wp-cont...l132_Bowie.pdf
cliffs:
- Johnson wasn't convicted because his defense (who quit the supreme court to defend him) just kept saying “There must be some law; otherwise there is no crime.” over and over again. (sound familiar?)
- Pretty much all the law nerds since then (150+ years) thought it was ridiculous defense. The Senate got duped.
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In the end, however, it doesn’t really matter how logical Benjamin
Curtis’s argument may have been considering how often it has been
ignored in practice. In the century-and-a-half since 1868, six federal
judges have been convicted and removed from office for conduct that
wasn’t necessarily a crime when they committed it
in what i believe to be the entirety of my objections to trump being elected president of the united states distilled into one perfect tweet, trump has declared that he cant be impeached for bribery because bribery is not against the law.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Trump signs off on plan to cap US refugee limit at 18,000 in 2020
https://nypost.com/2019/11/03/trump-...18000-in-2020/
Not good enough...President Trump should cap the U.S. refugee limit at zero and return at least one million illegals a year.Quote:
President Trump on Saturday signed off on a plan to cap the number of refugees taken in by the United States at 18,000 in fiscal year 2020.
The number represents the lowest amount of possible refugees accepted by America since the program’s creation in 1980.
Religious and humanitarian groups cried foul over the plan when it was first introduced by the State Department in September.
The Trump administration this year agreed to let in as many as 30,000 refugees. In the final year of the Obama administration, the refugee ceiling was 85,000.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a Saturday statement that refugee resettlement “is only one aspect of U.S. humanitarian-based immigration efforts.”
He cited diplomatic efforts to find solutions to crises as well as humanitarian aid.
https://i.imgur.com/sA3Br1x.jpg
Looks like Richard Spencer got fired from the FBI.
so trump has to give up his tax returns.. very very curious to see if it was nothing but a rope-a-dope where they are spotless and he's like SEE? SEE WHAT A VICTIM I AM OF THE WITCHUNTS? or if they are filled with kompromat / fraud... its definitely going to be one or the other.
Not if Gorsuch and Kavanaughty have anything to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
It's def going to the SC right?
So I’m trying to research Zumba classes for my upcoming trip to Tel Aviv. Can someone google dancing Israelis and help me out.
TIA
i won't google that for obvious reasons but can someone else do that and let me know what comes up
If Trump rigged his casinos like this, maybe they wouldn't have gone bankrupt
This is the second time you've asked us to do this. I feel like just maybe you're leading us into something we'd rather not see.Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Also, you're going to Tel Aviv like I'm going to a Klan rally.
https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webi...2-large?cozy=1
This is a real thing.
he literally looks like caligula.
Oh.
So is this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00...g?v=1568616993
So it this:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactorSo is this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00...g?v=1568616993
Were going to bomb Mexico and make them pay for it #2020slogans