Again, sooo are they gonna impeach this dude or what? Was actual impeachment ever really the plan here?
Printable View
do you really not understand how long a process impeachment is?
whats more, every time they file a discovery motion, this is what happens:
- 3 other impeachable offenses are discovered
- the white houses engages in obstruction while trying to do damage control, creating more impeachment charges
- the cycle begins anew
team retard's "lets get this over with quickly" plan would have likely worked if trump could keep his dick out of the blender long enough for anything at all to blow over but he somehow... cant... stop...
what's more is that 58% of all americans support impeachment proceedings compared to 38% that don't.
equally crazy is that full 49% of people polled say he should be removed as a result of those proceedings.
much like what happened with nixon, these poll numbers will only go up.
Dunno
Let me a ask you another toughie.
Do you think Trump should be impeached or prosecuted for violating the constitution?
Follow up.
Do you believe a sitting President should be immune from prosecution, as many
believe the constitution implies and should this idea of Presidential protection be cleared up
in the courts sooner than later?
it's really quite simple. he's not getting impeached.
White House says it won’t cooperate with ‘unconstitutional’ impeachment
https://nypost.com/2019/10/08/white-...l-impeachment/
https://static.politico.com/9f/b6/0f...80810-1160.jpgQuote:
The White House on Tuesday sent a defiant eight-page letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and top Democrats declaring why it would not cooperate with their impeachment proceedings, calling them “illegitimate and unconstitutional.”
Team Trump called the letter, which was written by White House counsel Pat Cipollone, historic, according to Fox News.
The letter, which Trump said Friday was being prepared, sets up a collision with Congress, which has been pressing ahead aggressively in the probe, sparked by the president’s apparent effort to get Ukraine to investigate political foe Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden.
“President Trump and his administration reject your baseless, unconstitutional efforts to overturn the democratic process,” the letter stated.
“Your unprecedented actions have left the president with no choice. In order to fulfill his duties to the American people, the Constitution, the Executive Branch, and all future occupants of the Office of the Presidency, President Trump and his administration cannot participate in your partisan and unconstitutional inquiry under these circumstances,” it continued.
“The president has a country to lead. The American people elected him to do this job, and he remains focused on fulfilling his promises to the American people,” the letter concluded.
The White House complained in the letter that there has not been a formal vote in the House to open an impeachment inquiry — something Pelosi has said was not required for proceedings to begin.
“In the history of our nation, the House of Representatives has never attempted to launch an impeachment inquiry against the president without a majority of the House taking political accountability for that decision by voting to authorize such a dramatic constitutional step,” the letter stated.
“Without waiting to see what was actually said on the call, a press conference was held announcing an ‘impeachment inquiry’ based on falsehoods and misinformation about the call,” the White House contended.
Pelosi said last week that Republicans would be wary of voting on an impeachment inquiry because it could lock them into a position that makes them vulnerable should there be more revelations.
Look at all the smart folks on this board still relying on polls with regard to Trump. It is as if they didn't learn anything.
anyone who thinks any outcome is certain at this point should take a lap, myself included.
in fairness, the national polls were actually fairly accurate in 2016. clinton was viewed as about 3 percentage points ahead of trump and that's about how it played out. the state polls were slightly less accurate, but actually not less accurate than historical averages.
decent article on the subject here
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...are-all-right/
i can't speak to the validity of the data quoted here but fwiw
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...ot-a-lot-rightQuote:
National polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
Ironically, all 12 polls that had Clinton ahead turned out to be closer to the final outcome than the poll that had Trump ahead. While that may seem crazy — since Trump, not Clinton, is headed to the White House — it's true. The poll that put Trump ahead (by 2 points) was off by 4.1 points, while polls that gave Clinton the lead were off anywhere from only one-tenth of a point to less than 4 points.
National polling did much better in 2016 than in 2012, when the average of the final polls in the contest between President Obama and GOP nominee Mitt Romney was off by more than 3 points. Polls showed Obama winning the popular vote by only seven-tenths of a point, and on Election Day he captured a wider 3.9-point vote margin.
turkey's invading northern syria in hours because despite lindsey graham's twitter warnings, no one in fact takes the united states seriously anymore.
When Trump got elected everyone was freaking out criticizing him saying John Bolton controlled his foreign policy and he was going to escalate US military presence in the Middle East. Then he fires Bolton and starts withdrawing military from the Middle East and now he is being criticized for this.
Whatever Trump's innumerable failings are, seems like Trump critics are talking out of both sides of their mouth on this one.
HOW COOL IS ATINE BTW
Okay?
Again, too much focus on popular vote. I get that this is making the point that Trump narrowly won a number of swing states, but it's no coincidence that he did far better than expected in several states where his chances of winning were considered fairly low -- Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Then he also landed on the right side of the close races in Ohio and Florida, and I think a few others.
This wasn't just dumb luck. The polls in the swing states underestimated him.
That's why he was given such a tiny chance to win -- something even I was fooled into believing, as well.
Instead of this dumb article twisting numbers to try and make themselves seem more right than they really were, they should be pushing that they were one of the few outlets claiming before the election that Trump had a realistic chance to upset.
Also, Democrats still haven't taken a serious look inward, and realized that Trump's victory was largely a result of the left abandoning white working class people, and not the sudden rise of a white supremacist movement in the US.
Trump has given them all kinds of valid reasons to attack him over the past 3 years. It's amazing how they're mostly shitting the bed, and focusing upon all the wrong things.
Who cares about your hand wringing introspection. Believe me many can out right think and out right write you. For instance you have no sense of humour, especially a self deprecating humour.
Very telling.
It ultimately means you are an idiot
You can go to school all day and come out
a moron. That’s you my friend
You know everything and talk about it You want free speech
Well listen up
I do like you kinda, but you’re an idiot
Your poor non wife must be driven crazy each and every day with the non stop
blatther
Of course not. Point being if Trump said we going into middle eastern country X with 15K incremental new troops the right would be all for it and the left would be against it. If one party was going to lead the way on getting all our troops home it would be the Democrats.