Typical response. You argue poorly and base your argument on stupid assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
So instead of thinking and debating your logic you would rather get emotional and combative. Shocking behavior for a liberal, Ive never seen that before.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
Obviously you are an idiot.
If there was less AR'S in the suburbs the death toll would reduce. That's a fact that doesn't need a crystal ball.
So we ban them from being sold (seems reasonable) but let everyone keep their current guns, that leaves 400m guns in the country and 10m semi automatics.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesAs an example i don't think you can buy an automatic rifle of any type if you're joe civilian.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
That has been deemed dangerous.
So from not moving your finger to moving it as fast as you can seperates legal from illegal.
End result to WalMart shopper?....nada.
So let the organized crime world do what they do. They typically don't see a profit
in shooting up Walmarts. That does not include disgruntled
20 year old psycho copy cat freaks with no lives.
I've never said take the guns away from Joe. It's this particular version that
is reaking havoc.
Typical response. You bring exact zero thoughts to the discussion and instead get emotional and call names. Time for you to take your ball and go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusTypical response. You argue poorly and base your argument on stupid assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Obviously you are an idiot.
If there was less AR'S in the suburbs the death toll would reduce. That's a fact that doesn't need a crystal ball.
With that thinking, 10% of murders committed against the most innocent should not be addressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI agree with you but that is what the die hards are afraid of, and there’s millions of them. And they have a point, a believe something like 90% of the murders in this country are from hand guns, why wouldn’t the road lead to eventually taking them away?Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
What is wrong with you?
We're not talking about self defense. Simply pyscho mass murder options
It's the very least concession for a gun crazed society.
Dude their has to be a shift in thinking as well...Just cause Daddy owned slaves doesn't make it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishSo we ban them from being sold (seems reasonable) but let everyone keep their current guns, that leaves 400m guns in the country and 10m semi automatics.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
Same thing with guns and future generations
Of course it should be addressed, and I’ve already said at this point something needs to be done no matter if it works or not. My point is, I still haven’t heard an idea that in my opinion will actually work.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesWith that thinking, 10% of murders committed against the most innocent should not be addressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
What is wrong with you?
We're not talking about self defense. Simply pyscho mass murder options
It's the very least concession for a gun crazed society.
Deaths from self defense aren't murder, not sure why you brought that up.
So you’re for getting rid of the second amendment?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesDude their has to be a shift in thinking as well...Just cause Daddy owned slaves doesn't make it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Same thing with guns and future generations
Folks like you are the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishTypical response. You bring exact zero thoughts to the discussion and instead get emotional and call names. Time for you to take your ball and go home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
I'm sure you're a fucking idiot, perhaps well intentioned but a fucking idiot none the less, there is no point picking apart your stupidity further.
Yes I'm a flawed human being. Calling you an idiot is a selfish pleasure.
Good day. :)
"And they have a point, I believe something like 90% of the murders in this country are from hand guns, why wouldn’t the road lead to eventually taking them away?"Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishOf course it should be addressed, and I’ve already said at this point something needs to be done no matter if it works or not. My point is, I still haven’t heard an idea that in my opinion will actually work.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
Deaths from self defense aren't murder, not sure why you brought that up.
Your words, 90% murders/hand guns.
So hand guns are worse than assault type rifes. This death better
than the other death?
People who went to pick up some SunnyD are slaughtered but
that's just 10 per cent of our insanity
Realize that guns (generally) are the problem.
I'm just playing to the ignorant crowd of Americans
that think the whole shit show should not be wiped out.
Loser country
YOU ARE SUCH A DUMB GROUP OF PEOPLE....YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID
AND YOU SHOULD NOT ARGUE WITH STUPID.....STUPID DOESN'T KNOW
IT'S STUPID......IT'S STUPID
SLEEP IN YOUR SHIT STUPID
People get murdered every day picking up Sunnyd and walking to school and walking their baby (ask Dwayne Wade’s cousin) but people only seem to care about the large mass murders. Same weekend as the two mass murders, 7 murdered in Chicago and 52 others shot, for some reason no one cares about them. The murders, poverty and crime in the big cities are really the root of many problems in America but they get no help.
Look over there somene got murdered....Oh gee ya it was by a gun.....ok . don't know what to say now . I'm dumb
Dumber than a brick
You bring so much to the table. This forum is lucky to have you. You wasted time making 4 posts with exactly zero ideas, well done sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusFolks like you are the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I'm sure you're a fucking idiot, perhaps well intentioned but a fucking idiot none the less, there is no point picking apart your stupidity further.
Yes I'm a flawed human being. Calling you an idiot is a selfish pleasure.
Good day. :)
People get murdered every day picking up Sunnyd and walking to school and walking their baby (ask Dwayne Wade’s cousin) but people only seem to care about the large mass murders. Same weekend as the two mass murders, 7 murdered in Chicago and 52 others shot, for some reason no one cares about them. The murders, poverty and crime in the big cities are really the root of many problems in America but they get no help.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles"And they have a point, a believe something like 90% of the murders in this country are from hand guns, why wouldn’t the road lead to eventually taking them away?"Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Your words, 90% murders/hand guns.
So hand guns are worse than assault type rifes. People who went to pick up some SunnyD are slaughtered
The had nothing in it. Realize that guns are the problem. I'm just playing to the ignorant crowd of Americans
that think the whole shit show should not be wiped out.
Loser country
if you think the only action worth taking is one that solves the problem like some sword of damocles, you dont understand how society works or what laws are.
honestly its like looking down and seeing your pant leg is on fire and refusing to put out the fire or take the pants off because youre not sure what pants youll put on after and you dont want the rest of the pant leg to get wet.
its not about making people safe, its about making people safer.
making america less mass murder'y is going to be a long process and you can do it the easy way or you can have your door blown off its hinges and get tased by robots at 4am because a drone with an xray sniffed out your kashmiri knock off ak47.
Funny part is the drones haven’t struck yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I agree with everything you’re saying. It’s gonna be a loonnnggggg process and it’s gonna end badly IMO. This road eventually leads to doors be knocked on, many x more extremists, civil world etc etc etc. I’m not seeing any scenario that leads to less deaths, quite the contrary actually. I hope I’m wrong. Remember when we went to Iraq ( I was there in 2004 and 2005) and we thought we were ridding the world of some terrible people but we didn’t do it the correct way? This thing called ISIS was the result after many people died. But hey we were in a crisis, something had to be done right, couldn’t just watch those towers burn. Same thing now, something has to be done but no real good ideas and with the country already divided things will get ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
In these specific horrific situations,Public Hangings immed. would suffice.
the whole new dixie / civil war end game has its perks.
most of it would be settled in court, and then everyone north of New Gilead could get back to making bank writing code and having weird polyamorous relationships while the UN drone strikes kid rock on ppv.
tesla owners would get free streams sfo.
dont get shut out.
It hasn't been in effect since WW2. The current armament you allow for civilians is only effective against a government that tries to avoid civilian casualties and with improvements to drone technology even that's becoming less of an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishSo you’re for getting rid of the second amendment?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
The current direction of smuggling weapons is from US to Mexico and Canada. Almost all black market weapons are once legal weapons from theft or fraud. Burglaries mostly in both cases.
Europe has bit of an issue with illegal military grade small armaments. It has it's roots with the fall of the soviet block and few relatively current civil wars. So they tend to get smuggled to neighboring countries because it's cost-effective. US doesn't have that problem. It's not even cost-effective to smuggle weapons from South-America.
you're talking to a bunch of people (myself included) that get giddy at the prospect of southern gun-clingers refusing to turnover their AR-15's to the tanks on their front door.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI agree with everything you’re saying. It’s gonna be a loonnnggggg process and it’s gonna end badly IMO. This road eventually leads to doors be knocked on, many x more extremists, civil world etc etc etc. I’m not seeing any scenario that leads to less deaths, quite the contrary actually. I hope I’m wrong. Remember when we went to Iraq ( I was there in 2004 and 2005) and we thought we were ridding the world of some terrible people but we didn’t do it the correct way? This thing called ISIS was the result after many people died. But hey we were in a crisis, something had to be done right, couldn’t just watch those towers burn. Same thing now, something has to be done but no real good ideas and with the country already divided things will get ugly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Wow lots of enthusiasm for the government completely takes over everything / freedom dies scenario. Fuck it, you guys are probably right it’s inevitable anyway. Up next freedom of speech.
if that graphic is real, i imagine eliminating philadelphia and wilmington would put us in dead last.
Just illustrates the real problem that needs to be solved IMO. With all the guns in this country it’s still very safe to live almost anywhere other than the inner city.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
heres the thing. the key word there is state. not federal.
with federal laws, people couldnt drive 90 minutes to the state fair and purchase military weapons with no background check.
but because the republicans have weaponized the concept of gun control itself and turned it into the hill they want to die on politically, we end up with bandaids to hold together a crumbling dam while the republicans give themselves tax breaks while investing in the band aid industry and accepting massive life-changing donations from the band aid lobby.
These stats are not accurate. This meme has been disproven many times over the past couple years. Someone literally just made that shit up in 2015 and people still post it every time a white guy goes to a crowded area and shoots a bunch of random people.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...utlier-cities/
All the numbers and rankings are wrong, but most lol is this:
Quote:
The cities cited in the meme accounted for 1,568 of 17,250, or 9.1 percent, of all homicides reported to the FBI in 2016, Tom Kovandzic, a criminologist at the University of Texas, Dallas, calculated for us. And without those cities, the homicide rate (per capita) would only decline by 7.73 percent, or from 5.34 to 4.93.
When we applied those reductions to the UN data, the United States barely budged in its international standing. It moved down four spots in per capita murders and stayed the same in total murders. That’s inconsequential compared with the 186-spot jump the meme concocted.
They drive to places with lots of guns that don’t have murder problems. The focus should be why people commit murder on the daily in these cities and get them help. At some point you have to stop blaming Republicans and admit the local leadership has responsibilities as well. Remember how bad NYC used to be? They cleaned it up, maybe these other cities can try similar ideas that were used there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
heres the thing. the key word there is state. not federal.
with federal laws, people couldnt drive 90 minutes to the state fair and purchase military weapons with no background check.
but because the republicans have weaponized the concept of gun control itself and turned it into the hill they want to die on politically, we end up with bandaids to hold together a crumbling dam while the republicans give themselves tax breaks while investing in the band aid industry and accepting massive life-changing donations from the band aid lobby.
nightmarefish you have some explaining to do
In 2015, men committed 62% of murders and were 79% of all murder victims. Black men committed 36% of murders and made up 52% of all murder victims. White men committed 30% of murders and accounted for 43% of all murder victims. Homicide is largely intra-racial. Of crimes involving a single offender and victim: 81% of white victims were killed by a white perpetrator; 89% of all black victims were killed by a black perpetrator.Quote:
devidee: Now do the stats by the murderers race
source: FBI, Crime in the United States, 1995 - 2015, (U.S. Department of Justice)
https://www.ncjrs.gov/ovc_archives/n...micide_508.pdf
How much thought did you give to the abover before posting it?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Did you just trust Breitbart or some other highly respected news source?
Funny part is when they come to a new ranking by removing 5 major ciities.
Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesHow much thought did you give to the abover before posting it?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Did you just trust Breitbart or some other highly respected news source?
Funny part is when they come to a new ranking by removing 5 major ciities.
It illustrates where the real problem is in this country but no one gives a shit. Thats why I told you, the same weekend as the mass murders there where 7 murdered in Chicago and 52 more shot. This happens week after week after week after week. No one cares. If politicians can bring these communities up it will in turn automatically solve many other problems in this country.
I get it now. You are not speaking as directly as you might.
You want the n-word situation resolved. You believe blacks are responsible
for America's growing problems and they must be brought under control.
Is this more or less what you believe?
What you wrote is pretty horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
What I believe is these neighborhoods need help and we should do everything we can to give it to them, the entire country will benefit in the end. Kids born in these areas never have a chance. I’m fascally conservative but this is one area that I feel they should spend as much as needed to help these people out. Clean up the city, renovate all the broken buildings, fix the schools, recruit the best teachers in the country (pay them $150k a year if that’s what it takes). I thought you were liberal, you don’t agree with this? There are dems running for president that want to give free health care and college to illegal immigrants. I say invest that money in the inter-cities because IMO it’s a solvable problem.
It literally illustrates nothing that is true. A troll made all of those numbers up. You fell for it due to confirmation bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishQuote:
Originally Posted by limitles
It illustrates where the real problem is in this country but no one gives a shit. Thats why I told you, the same weekend as the mass murders there where 7 murdered in Chicago and 52 more shot. This happens week after week after week after week. No one cares. If politicians can bring these communities up it will in turn automatically solve many other problems in this country.
So 306 homicides so far this year in Chicago is a made up number?Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritanIt literally illustrates nothing that is true. A troll made all of those numbers up. You fell for it due to confirmation bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I was talking about the meme you posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishSo 306 homicides so far this year in Chicago is a made up number?Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
Yeah sorry, I confused you with the SPIT this post wanting these communities starved out.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishWhat you wrote is pretty horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
What I believe is these neighborhoods need help and we should do everything we can to give it to them, the entire country will benefit in the end. Kids born in these areas never have a chance. I’m fascally conservative but this is one area that I feel they should spend as much as needed to help these people out. Clean up the city, renovate all the broken buildings, fix the schools, recruit the best teachers in the country (pay them $150k a year if that’s what it takes). I thought you were liberal, you don’t agree with this? There are dems running for president that want to give free health care and college to illegal immigrants. I say invest that money in the inter-cities because IMO it’s a solvable problem.
its gonna be great on these websites when les is even older and dumber
yeah and lil we is getting younger and funnierQuote:
Originally Posted by lol wow
back to your thriving endeavour
Maybe we should just throw away our MAGA hats and wear MALMM hats and pretend everything is all right. That will solve the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019...guns-away.html
- former marine gets on stage at some proud boys love-in and waxes poetic about how he was going to 'slaughter' antifa.
- fbi uses oregon's new red flag law to confiscate his guns and put him in psych ward for 5 days.
massive plot twist alert:
the ex marine got back on his meds, requested an additional two weeks in the va hospital, and recognizes he basically left authorities no choice but to respond to a threat he presented, based on his behavior/appearance/circumstances.
BUT MUH GUN CONTROL
- pfa
BUT MUH ANTIFA TERRORTHUGS
- druff