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Chicago cops at it again
LOL at the guy on the ground with his pants down by his knees!Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicide King
But seriously. That stomping was fuuuuuucked up!
What say you DRK Nazi? (You gonna red rep me?)
stop being such a pussy mumbles. That head stomp shoulda been 10 stomps that dumb n-word was resisting arrest 1st cop couldn't even handcuff him.
That first cop was an out-of-shape desk jockey who couldn't wrestle a bear claw to the ground unless its pants were sagging.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
P.S. One of my nephews, who is a cop, and former Marine Reservist who served over in Iraq when it was really shitty, coulda snapped that saggy pantser into the cuffs without even having to cry for backup. All while being super polite. ("Thank you, folks. The show is over. Go about your business, now.")
And you haven't seen my nephew. Good chance, though, that one or more of the perp's shoulders would have been dislocated getting cuffed by him.Quote:
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DRK Star: Ignorant Gimp. You know very little about what happened during that arrest.
And he has a super calm demeanor. No anger issues to percolate. Just strong, decisive law enforcement technique on him. But I guess that aspect of his personality would disqualify him for working with some of jokers "featured" by the CPD. Once his state trooper training is over, he'll be patrolling his state's highways with professionalism and efficiency.
It really would be amazing to watch DRK justify that stomp to the head, or perhaps he can point us to where that is in the handbook.
Look at the crowd surrounding the arrest. I don't see how the cops can operate in the hood at all. I am surprised the locals didn't start throwing bricks and just jump them. The suspect was resisting arrest, biting the coppers and fighting them. Then they are surrounded by gang bangers and neighborhood loud mouths all yelling . Was he supposed to turn his back on the crowd or get on the ground to help his partner subdue the guy? Why bother making the arrest though, why bother even going into the area. They don't want the police, don't respect the police, will attack the police, curse the police, lie as witnesses and "no snitch" on each other. What a disaster. Mad Max style anarchy in the hood. And this guy just hit the ghetto lottery. When his homies kick him in the head he gets no $, but CPD kicks and cha ching.
DRK: Hey, here is all kinds of info about the cops, and whats going on behind the scenes, out of the public eye.
Mob: "DRK!! STFU!! STOP POSTING ABOUT COP SHIT"
DRK: OK
Mob: "DRK!! GET BACK HERE AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COPS, ASSHOLE!!"
Is the first mob the same group of people as the second one?Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
Usually I'm against this kind of shit
but this guy deserved it big time
If you guys want an explanation of what happened prior to and during the video, PM me.
The Use of Force model says its completely justified, btw
Don't do it... I've gotten the PM and it is as bad as you might imagine....Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
No one is arguing the guy being arrested isn't a piece of shit. As a cop though, walking over and stomping on a guys head is wrong. If he had been shot for resisting you would have defended that as well. Shall we give the cop credit for only stomping on his head and not shooting him? Is that where we are in our society. I will take you at your word that stomping a guys head is a legal move for a cop to use when assisting in an arrest and dealing with a piece of shit that won't comply.... but perhaps it's things like that, that we should be changing. Something in the handbook like "Don't stomp a guys head, especially when he is being held down by another officer."
No one is saying cops shouldn't do there jobs... just don't be a dick. Again, if it is legal, fine... we should make head stomping against the rules for cops though.
rational thinking here, will go no where with drk star.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GalloDon't do it... I've gotten the PM and it is as bad as you might imagine....Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
No one is arguing the guy being arrested isn't a piece of shit. As a cop though, walking over and stomping on a guys head is wrong. If he had been shot for resisting you would have defended that as well. Shall we give the cop credit for only stomping on his head and not shooting him? Is that where we are in our society. I will take you at your word that stomping a guys head is a legal move for a cop to use when assisting in an arrest and dealing with a piece of shit that won't comply.... but perhaps it's things like that, that we should be changing. Something in the handbook like "Don't stomp a guys head, especially when he is being held down by another officer."
No one is saying cops shouldn't do there jobs... just don't be a dick. Again, if it is legal, fine... we should make head stomping against the rules for cops though.
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Originally Posted by El GalloDon't do it... I've gotten the PM and it is as bad as you might imagine....Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
No one is arguing the guy being arrested isn't a piece of shit. As a cop though, walking over and stomping on a guys head is wrong. If he had been shot for resisting you would have defended that as well. Shall we give the cop credit for only stomping on his head and not shooting him? Is that where we are in our society. I will take you at your word that stomping a guys head is a legal move for a cop to use when assisting in an arrest and dealing with a piece of shit that won't comply.... but perhaps it's things like that, that we should be changing. Something in the handbook like "Don't stomp a guys head, especially when he is being held down by another officer."
No one is saying cops shouldn't do there jobs... just don't be a dick. Again, if it is legal, fine... we should make head stomping against the rules for cops though.
<GALLO DRAGGING ME OUT OF RETIREMENT....BLAME HIM IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, OR JUST IGNORE, WHICH IS VERY EASY TO DO>
"Don't do it... I've gotten the PM and it is as bad as you might imagine...."
So, now you are just going to assume that people will find it bad?...and we have to imagine?
"No one is arguing the guy being arrested isn't a piece of shit".
You dont even know what he did
"As a cop though, walking over and stomping on a guys head is wrong."
As much as I dont want to see that, he was justified. He's a complete moron though for several reasons...one of which is to not assess the situation and realize that he could have just punched the guy, or yanked the guys arm away from the other cop, as that cop was being choked. You have to be aware of what today's climate is, and that people hate the police and wont understand nor care about what is actually happening.
"If he had been shot for resisting you would have defended that as well."
Once again, you just assume you know what I would think, and you would be totally fucking wrong. But...keep on guessing as to what I would think. You of course, enjoy taking large objects up your ass. I'm sure of it. Is that cool for me to assume/state as if its accurate?
"Shall we give the cop credit for only stomping on his head and not shooting him?"
Thats up to you.
"Is that where we are in our society."
Please explain where we are. Then admit that you didnt know shit about the case until I explained it to you. All you focused on is a cop stomping a guys head.
"I will take you at your word that stomping a guys head is a legal move for a cop to use when assisting in an arrest and dealing with a piece of shit that won't comply"
You dont have to take my word. You should read what the USE OF FORCE model allows for, when a cop has been attacked. A foot is essentially the same as a punch.
".... but perhaps it's things like that, that we should be changing."
What do you want to change, that hasnt already been looked at and ruled on for decades, in probably thousands of cases?
"Something in the handbook like "Don't stomp a guys head, especially when he is being held down by another officer."
You clearly didnt fully observe or know what was going on in that situation. Look at what the guy on the ground was doing to the officer at that moment.
"No one is saying cops shouldn't do there jobs... just don't be a dick."
So, dont defend yourself and/or protect fellow officers who are getting choked. Got it.
"Again, if it is legal, fine... we should make head stomping against the rules for cops though."
Talk to all the judges who wrote those laws. Use of Force model. Read it, learn it, then keep it in mind for all future comments.
For the Peanut gallery:
The person being arrested was a recently released Felon, out on Parole. The two tact officers (plain clothes, do a lot of the dirty work) were arresting him (apparently for heroin distribution). He had the heroin on him. They had to chase him around for a bit prior to that point where the video started. That block they are on is a warzone, and some of the animals over there threaten the police on a daily basis. Some of those people were at the scene, threatening to whack one of the cops. There are issues there daily, and abandoned homes, empty lots (city will essentially give those lots away, should you want to build on them). Lovely area.... <for my favorite Moron, Corrigan, its just west of that super secret "Black Ops" site you love so much>. By the way, there were CI reports of gangs, a few months ago, plotting to shoot/kill cops walking out of that building, because they dont have their vests on yet, and would be easy to kill. Feds apparently had to inform CPD of the plots.
The guy being arrested was resisting arrest. He had actually bitten one of the cops, he then bit the other (both officers had to go to the hospital for treatment). Officer on the ground apparently spent most of the day at the hospital for his bite wounds. <Think about this.....the Chief of Police, spent the time after the incident, visiting with the Felon to apologize, and never checked on the cop who was in the hospital for his wounds....Im sure that will be taken very well by all of the officers in this city> During the time he was on the ground, he bit the cops arm, and one of his fingers is a mess, and the cop was repeatedly trying to reach behind him and grab his cuffs (they are usually kept behind them, with guns on their side) to put them on the guy resisting. The felon is now resisting arrest and using force against an officer, and "force BY an officer", to protect himself, can be applied. The Felon is resisting, and using force against an officer, and the officer's life is in danger.
Since force can be applied, while defending yourself, the felon continued to resist, and if you look closely prior to the head stomp (which was the reason for the other cop to come over and apply the head stomp), the felon was reaching up and choking the officer. The officer was trying to pull his head back to get away. The other officer came to his aid and stomped the guys head, so he would let go of the other officer's neck.
Can you argue he could/should have done something else? Sure. That action looks horrible. When you have an entire city, salivating at the chance to sue the cops, you need to take that split second to decide what to do and what the ramifications will be
Did he have a right to head stomp? Probably. Protecting the other officer from injury. Use of Force. It doesnt state you cant use your foot. These laws are gray areas so you are allowed a lot of options. The cop could have used a billy club and smashed him right in the face. He chose to quickly go over and stomp him, so he would stop choking his partner. How does it look to the public? Horrible.
Should he have done that, knowing he was on video? Fuck no. You will now be tossed under the political bus, possibly lose your job, have Rahm and the idiot commander come out and state that it was "concerning" (or some stupid remark), and then tell the public "we are trying to gain the respect of the community, blah blah blah". You HAVE to have the intelligence to know that you are going to be viewed worse than the felon.
Should he have done it anyway, knowing the public will be all up in his ass for this? Fuck no
Do I agree with it? No. If you have a moment to think rationally, grab the guys arm away from choking your partner. Ignore the fact that he attacked both of you and resisted arrest, and that everyone around you is screaming at you, and people are threatening your life (several people threatened to kill that cop).
Should he be taken off duty for a while and retrained? Yep
Should he even have been making an arrest in the first place? No...fucking idiot. Sit in your car. Write reports. Respond to calls. No one loves you anymore. Why risk your life, arresting some felon for selling heroin, when you have nothing to gain anymore. Drive around, let the public know you are there, dont exit your vehicle unless its mandatory. Write up ISR reports. Dont put yourself in a position where you could be injured, shot, killed, lose your job.
Was his superior likely pushing for arrests and making threats to the tact guys if they didnt start doing something out there, and arresting people?
Yup...
Officers are very likely being threatened <secretly> by superiors because of "the numbers". Arrests are down. <no shit....if you are just going to have the ACLU and random attorneys investigate every single thing I do, what motivation do I have to arrest people?>
You have guys telling the tact guys that if you dont start making arrests, Im going to make you wear your uniforms, or change your shifts, or put you in different areas. They wont put anything in writing, however. No paper trails.
This officer screwed up IMO. He should never have left his car. That guy wasnt doing anything (overlook the fact that he was selling heroin). Move along. Its not your problem anymore. City is fucked and you should just let it rot and collect a paycheck on 1st and 16th.
LOL @ the main thing he did wrong was getting out of his car to arrest a heroin dealer.... Thanks for the explanation though, I will try my hardest to never ask again. I find it difficult to understand how I could disagree with you any more than I do. I don't want to break it all down the way you did... just know that we disagree... and I feel that is ok.
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Originally Posted by El Gallo
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Yes, had he never gotten out of his car, in pursuit of a felon, this could have all been avoided.
think how sad that sentence is.
Also, I know you disagree. You are welcome to do that. I just dont want people thinking your assessment is correct. Its not. There are laws, and those laws were followed. You dont have to like them (you dont), but you cant say that someone is wrong for following a law. Neither one of us wanted to see a boot stomp there. However, he wasnt wrong, legally, in doing so. If you dont like that, which you dont, you can attempt to change that law. I cant see that happening, because of LOL attorneys.
You can say, "I feel that bootstomping him there was wrong". You are entitled to that.
I just want the public to know what the laws are so that they can decide to argue with what happened or just stay silent and go, oh yeah, that sucks, but, the guy resisted arrest and attacked the officer, and when he choked him, the other cop kicked him so he would not hurt/kill his partner. I see what happened now.
Unfortunately, all I see in the press is terrible headlines, atrocious/ignorant comments and a never ending cycle of stupidity.
Its only going to get worse. Cops are either going to do absolutely nothing around here, or make dumb, nervous mistakes. Its bad.
There is so much more I want to address here, but need a break from engaging you with it for fear my fucking head will explode from seeing how linear/old school/fundamentally flawed thinking you are clinging to ad defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
But, I will come back to so. Now, time for some calm.
So....I am the numbskull, because YOU have the opinion that it needs to be changed....even though lawyers and judges completely disagree with you, and have for decades, Im the numbskull and you are the wise old sage?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
And notice how you used the word "seemingly"? Just because YOU think its brutal, doesnt mean its LEGALLY brutal, therefore, your opinion is moot.
If the CPD had any true leadership or legal representative, they would be up in front explaining how the Use Of Force model works, and shut the public's outrage down, but they are under Rahm's control, and cant do anything. The head of FOP is in his pocket.
Easily in the Top 5 of the worst posts I've ever read anywhere. Wow! I have nothing else of value to add... as you were sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK StarSo....I am the numbskull, because YOU have the opinion that it needs to be changed....even though lawyers and judges completely disagree with you, and have for decades, Im the numbskull and you are the wise old sage?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
And notice how you used the word "seemingly"? Just because YOU think its brutal, doesnt mean its LEGALLY brutal, therefore, your opinion is moot.
If the CPD had any true leadership or legal representative, they would be up in front explaining how the Use Of Force model works, and shut the public's outrage down, but they are under Rahm's control, and cant do anything. The head of FOP is in his pocket.
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Originally Posted by El GalloEasily in the Top 5 of the worst posts I've ever read anywhere. Wow! I have nothing else of value to add... as you were sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
You're entitled to your opinion, but I posted about 7 shitposts that were just fucking terrible two days ago, so if THIS post is one of the top 5 worst, IN YOUR OPINION, your opinion is either awful, or your exaggerating. ;)
(Sit this one out, Gallo. You deserve a rest.)Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK StarSo....I am the numbskull, because YOU have the opinion that it needs to be changed....even though lawyers and judges completely disagree with you, and have for decades, Im the numbskull and you are the wise old sage?Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
And notice how you used the word "seemingly"? Just because YOU think its brutal, doesnt mean its LEGALLY brutal, therefore, your opinion is moot.
If the CPD had any true leadership or legal representative, they would be up in front explaining how the Use Of Force model works, and shut the public's outrage down, but they are under Rahm's control, and cant do anything. The head of FOP is in his pocket.
You fucking idiot!!! Just because something is *currently* LEGAL *doesn't* means the broader public will any longer *accept* it! The police work for the *public*, not the other way around! Get that through your thick fucking skull! Because no amount of "explaining" by police chiefs will turn back the public sentiment clock on this matter!
And if you don't understand how changes in public sentiment cause changes in public policy regarding the legality of the use of force by the authorities, not so long ago on a cultural evolutionary scale, this was a legal form of punishment in the Western societies for certain non-capital offenses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA6Uyon7xQo
Seriously... WAKE the fuck UP!
You need to wake up, Mumbles.
You dont fully understand what happened, and you dont realize what police are allowed to do TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.
Because all you see is a guy headstomping some guy on the street....judges view this differently, and if the cop is allowed to use FORCE to defend himself, You cant change this law!
What are you going to do....change it so it says, Well, they can defend themselves, but they must use their elbows, their pinky fingers, or a 12 pound ham.
You have to leave it ambiguous. Hillariously, you arent at all defending the cop, FROM THE ILLEGAL and DEADLY ACTIONS taken upon him by a DANGEROUS FELON.
blame the cops....ignore the asshole breaking the law.
thats where the state of the nation is, Gallo, in case you were doing some research on that.
Trump 2016
at the risk of going full drk, i didn't think what happened in that video was excessive. the guy was actively resisting arrest and basically wrestling with the officer (who is carrying a gun). not sure what was running through that officer's mind, but if i was in his shoes, i would have been afraid that he would have tried to reach for my gun and shot me. officers have been killed in similar situations, not to mention the fact that there's an angry mob forming.
Honestly, what did the cops do wrong here? He was dealing drugs, the offer told him you're under arrest for breaking the law, the guy then assaulted the police offer and refused to be subdued... the cops did 0 wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicide King
Not all cops are saints, but the good ones vs the bad ones is like 99% vs 1%. Anyone who thinks differently I hope is robbed and pistol whipped heeb style while a group of cops watch.
With all that said, seriously DRK... shut it down.
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Originally Posted by handicapmeHonestly, what did the cops do wrong here? He was dealing drugs, the offer told him you're under arrest for breaking the law, the guy then assaulted the police offer and refused to be subdued... the cops did 0 wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicide King
Not all cops are saints, but the good ones vs the bad ones is like 99% vs 1%. Anyone who thinks differently I hope is robbed and pistol whipped heeb style while a group of cops watch.
With all that said, seriously DRK... shut it down.
With all due respect, can you specifically indicate to me what about my responses makes you want me to "shut it down"?
Im serious
I just gave you and the others here, who are interested, a lot of information that most of you would not have known. I explained the details of the case, and when argued with, explained the complications with those arguments.
What am I doing that you disaprove of, and why is it so apparently difficult for you to just avoid reading what I wrote and move on to the next post?
why does the cop deserve jail time and which decisions were horrible?Quote:
DRK Star: kid was an asshole. Cop deserves jail time. Horrible decisions.
much appreciated.
There you go again! Repeating the same old "It's legal!" argument without countering that I've said that the public doesn't fucking care that it is CURRENTLY legal. And that public sentiment will change the law, defacto or otherwise. Just like it did regarding this activity that was once legal in a large portion of the US for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by DRK Star
depending on the state they were in, I dont know if he the cop, can just open the kids door, and then reach in and grab him like that.
He was very quick to use the taser, and then once the kid was on the ground, he could have stopped it, but he didnt. He kept it going. Was unnecessary. The kid was face down and not a threat and had no weapons. He carried the kid over to the grass, but just dropped him, callously on the ground, right on his face. He technically disobeyed the commands of the officer, but I dont know their rules for entering his car like that. I dont even know what he was pulled over for, so maybe that plays a role? If the kid visibly had a weapon in the car, the officer could have deemed the lengthy taser time necessary until he could determine if the kid had that weapon on him.
He should have called for back up and they could have carried the kid over, if he was going to struggle like that.
He should either be massively suspended, or lose his job. Turns out the kid is now in very serious condition.
thats the best I can say, with what little I know, and not asking cops for more info
For someone who seems actually quite smart, you make a bold -- and unsubstantiated claim. And one that conveniently sidesteps the well-known phenomenon called the "blue wall of silence." Which the required use of cams by police, body or otherwise, has troublingly exposed and challenged in recent years as more widespread that commonly thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by handicapmeHonestly, what did the cops do wrong here? He was dealing drugs, the offer told him you're under arrest for breaking the law, the guy then assaulted the police offer and refused to be subdued... the cops did 0 wrong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicide King
Not all cops are saints, but the good ones vs the bad ones is like 99% vs 1%. Anyone who thinks differently I hope is robbed and pistol whipped heeb style while a group of cops watch.
With all that said, seriously DRK... shut it down.
http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2...-silence-video
And here is a disgusting example of what happened to a good cop who challenged that "wall".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piZ_EW4g1mM&feature=youtu.be
And another.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamah...all-of-silence
And let's not forget one whose story got made into a major motion picture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBJQ1pK372Q&feature=youtu.be
But, go ahead. Keep deluding yourself. You aren't likely to targeted by the bad cops in NYC who get protected by the blue wall of silence. You're in the wrong income group. (You could easily hire a good lawyer who would give them trouble.)
Handicap me?....
please respond
lol drk, when your IRL friends think you're going off the deep end, i think you need to take a good look at yourself. you're the only person who believes this shit you say. i think you need a break from the Internet, buddy. too many YouTube videos man. you've gone full mong.
To give you guys an idea as to how totally fucked up and ass backward this city is right now...the head of CPD just released the felon from the video. No charges were placed on him.
this is a felon, who was resisting arrest, choking and biting officers, and had 3 bags of heroin on him. The officer, of course, has been stripped of his powers and is on desk duty.
I cant even imagine what is going through the minds of all the officers in this department. If the gangs dont destroy this city, the CPD might beat them to it.
Cherry On Top: The Felon's name is Shaquille O'Neal
that makes me sick
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...615-story.html
the comments section of the this article in the Chicago Tribune, sums things up nicely
at least he caught a kick to the head
Most likely the head of the CPD did right by the city, the department and the officers involved by letting the felon out. That is if they are able to dodge a few more law suits as a result. It also speaks volumes about how legal the actions of the officer were. It would have been nice if the head of the CPD had wasted time to go see the officers boo boo instead of making some efforts for the city to save money and secure some kinda future for the officers involved in the incident but sometimes the feelings of officers that are accused of police brutality just aren't a huge priority.
There's really nothing wrong with most use of force models and in this case unless Chicago uses some extra retarded model it's not an issue of the model but it's application. You see kicking alone can qualify as use of deadly force and in this case with a stomp in the head when the felon is already on the ground with a hard surface behind the back of his head it actually is seen as using deadly force. For it to be correct all other lesser alternatives should have been reasonably considered and exhausted prior the use of deadly force. When i can come up with about 27 things i could do between asking nicely and using deadly force then there might be a problem.
Reasonable elucidation regarding use of force standards in second paragraph. However, I take umbrage with a point you raise in the first paragraph, as visually explained here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
Law suits:
Lawsuits:
But other than that matter, well said!