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The founders of the US were well aware of how disastrous strict democracy was for Athens. After Pericles died in the smallpox epidemic, the mob veered back and forth supporting demogogues who eventually frittered away any advantage the Athenian League had over the Spartan alliance. In fact, the war with the Spartan league was started foolishly following the democratic mob impulse for "glory". They had a good thing going and fucked it up because cooler heads were ignore by the rabble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
It's a classic post. You need a few fish at the table to keep the conversation alive. So there is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Let's just say the process has an interesting structure. Let's not give democracy a bad name. Watch how you toss that word around.
Love to see the kids have a 'Murica Spring type uprising.
Also, don't forget that only free male citizens had a say in the government, so woman and the considerable population of slaves (essentially, the working class) had no say. Something the modern GOP would be drooling over being able to replicate in this day and age.
Well, I guess you see it as -1000/-2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhat don't you understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I would be absolutely shocked if Trump loses. Like, beyond -600 shocked. I'm talking -2000 or higher shocked. He has been crushing in SC the whole way, and I don't see that changing in the next 5 days.
If you think I'm simply betting it because I believe Trump has the best chance to win, you don't understand why I bet it.
While I am enjoying the Trump show, I have a healthy respect for his potential (willingness?) to self-detonate. I don't know how to apply math toward that potential.
Going after ex-President Bush hammer & tongs. Iraq etc. Love it. Fucking unprecedented attack of his own party's icon. Especially interesting given old man Bush is hitting the campaign trail.
This is Trump. He is one remark over the next week or two from vaporizing that lead. You need to take a quiet moment to quantify that very real risk.
The above is really just me jousting with you. I am hugely impressed with the energy and intellect you use to make reads of individuals personality and motives. Thus, I have been amazed with your disconnect as the campaigns have unfolded. Crowd psychology or whatever might not be your thing. I have seen evidence on other issues. Your ability to separate your own feelings and make a dispassionate assessment of reality. Your early Rubio analysis crippled your credibility with me. I so far have dismissed that you understand the voter zeitgeist. It gives me a bit of insight into your world as I develop my own read of you. Fun stuff is all.
Your current acceptance that Trump is leading is one thing. But do you understand why?
Do you have a point here? I dare you to make one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyThe founders of the US were well aware of how disastrous strict democracy was for Athens. After Pericles died in the smallpox epidemic, the mob veered back and forth supporting demogogues who eventually frittered away any advantage the Athenian League had over the Spartan alliance. In fact, the war with the Spartan league was started foolishly following the democratic mob impulse for "glory". They had a good thing going and fucked it up because cooler heads were ignore by the rabble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
Also, don't forget that only free male citizens had a say in the government, so woman and the considerable population of slaves (essentially, the working class) had no say. Something the modern GOP would be drooling over being able to replicate in this day and age.
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I'll help.
We do not live in a direct democracy.
We are or are not educated or informed enough to select our own representatives.
Modern communication does not facilitate informed voting.
Toss the Bitcoin kid a bone. Vote via blockchain. Increase participation.
just bet 50k then. free money anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWhat don't you understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
I would be absolutely shocked if Trump loses. Like, beyond -600 shocked. I'm talking -2000 or higher shocked. He has been crushing in SC the whole way, and I don't see that changing in the next 5 days.
If you think I'm simply betting it because I believe Trump has the best chance to win, you don't understand why I bet it.
It's not a technology issue. It's a psychological one. Because people routinely ignore information that contradicts their beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarDo you have a point here? I dare you to make one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
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I'll help.
We do not live in a direct democracy.
We are or are not educated or informed enough to select our own representatives.
Modern communication does not facilitate informed voting.
Toss the Bitcoin kid a bone. Vote via blockchain. Increase participation.
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...you-innumerate
Just read above how Druff doubts the economics stats for Dems and Repubs summarized in a table, and then covers himself by claiming it wasn't "fair" because of "events" or whatnot. So many voters are like him on both sides of the political spectrum who just ignore information that doesn't support their politically sacred beliefs, no level of tech -- short of in-brain hardwiring to force a person's brain to accept objective facts -- will overcome this psychological impediment to "informed" voting.
Can someone please explain why the nig is still in this thing?
TIA
Books, Speaking fees, Etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pooh
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/these-...51828707.html#
Yea you're probably right, my bad mumbles. He wasn't a fish on PFA radio. Mumbles needs to get on that CB radio "Breaker one nine this here's Mumbles, vote for Hillary or Bernie", haha. Watch out for those guys with confederate flags all over their rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarIt's a classic post. You need a few fish at the table to keep the conversation alive. So there is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Let's just say the process has an interesting structure. Let's not give democracy a bad name. Watch how you toss that word around.
Love to see the kids have a 'Murica Spring type uprising.
Good bet. A +EV bet is a +EV bet, Its not like a big favorite can't be +EV. I maxed out on this one this morning too at -600, checked it tonight, and now its at -2000. Big move!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
He said he max bet it at $1500Quote:
Originally Posted by big dickjust bet 50k then. free money anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Line at Sanders event.
http://gfycat.com/FairLoathsomeAfricanwilddog
Interesting discussion of the MSM and political establishments of both parties vs Trump and Sanders.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/commen...emu_ypsilanti/
Once Trump picks a running mate the illusion will be over imo.
Lol, that reddit thread looked like a cut and paste of our threads here.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Registered Democrat? This video will rock you to your core.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY7...ature=youtu.be
The Dems will be fucked if they nominate her. They just don't know it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Well at least you're not afraid to admit how deep in the sand your head actually is. All Democrats lie to everyone, knowing that no matter what they say, their idiot voters will vote for them on their single issue bullshit and the very educated voters vote for them because they know already that they are lying and understand that when they get into office, they'll just continue to advance the agenda, no matter who the candidate is. That's why the morality of a Democrat has never mattered.
What a load of horseshit. Politicians tend to lie regardless of party affiliation. I was a Young Republican and won election as president of my social science class in middle school after vigorously debating for Tricky Dick in his re-election campaign. And I voted for Reagan in 84 and Poppy Bush in 1988. I never voted for Clinton, and almost voted for W in 2000. But after seeing the bullshit leading up and including the Iraq War, and the corruption of the GOP Congress related to the war spending, and then the failure to rein in the mortgage bubble in the mid-2000s, I finally realized that Milton's time-honored adage applies to *both* parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsQuote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Well at least you're not afraid to admit how deep in the sand your head actually is. All Democrats lie to everyone, knowing that no matter what they say, their idiot voters will vote for them on their single issue bullshit and the very educated voters vote for them because they know already that they are lying and understand that when they get into office, they'll just continue to advance the agenda, no matter who the candidate is. That's why the morality of a Democrat has never mattered.
So, fuck party loyalty! And vote to limit the power of the assholes currently fucking it up the worst!
This is hilarious. Only Democrats lie? News flash.....all these fuckers lie. Look at the "options" we have....Clinton, Sanders, Bush, Cruz, Trump, Rubio? We are fucked no matter what lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
Question: When Hillary inevitably wins the nomination, are you going to remain this critical of her during the general election?Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
What "disconnect"?Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarWell, I guess you see it as -1000/-2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
While I am enjoying the Trump show, I have a healthy respect for his potential (willingness?) to self-detonate. I don't know how to apply math toward that potential.
Going after ex-President Bush hammer & tongs. Iraq etc. Love it. Fucking unprecedented attack of his own party's icon. Especially interesting given old man Bush is hitting the campaign trail.
This is Trump. He is one remark over the next week or two from vaporizing that lead. You need to take a quiet moment to quantify that very real risk.
The above is really just me jousting with you. I am hugely impressed with the energy and intellect you use to make reads of individuals personality and motives. Thus, I have been amazed with your disconnect as the campaigns have unfolded. Crowd psychology or whatever might not be your thing. I have seen evidence on other issues. Your ability to separate your own feelings and make a dispassionate assessment of reality. Your early Rubio analysis crippled your credibility with me. I so far have dismissed that you understand the voter zeitgeist. It gives me a bit of insight into your world as I develop my own read of you. Fun stuff is all.
Your current acceptance that Trump is leading is one thing. But do you understand why?
Wat "early Rubio analysis" of mine was incorrect?
When Rubio was on the rise late last year, I said so, and I said that he seemed to be the favorite to end up challenging Trump for the nomination.
When he stagnated, I said that it looked more like a 2-man race, with Rubio being the outside 3rd.
After Iowa, Rubio's candidacy was reinvigorated, and I said he was again going to be viable. Political analysts and even the sportsbooks agreed.
After the bad debate, I said that it would probably hurt Rubio and destroy his momentum, and it did.
At the moment I am conceding that Trump is the favorite for the nomination, as much as I don't like it.
So where am I disconnected?
I'll never get used to people without security clearance accusing people with security clearance of 'lying' because they refuse to break the law and disclose classified data.
Sorry but I just can't stop laughing thinking about Trump vs Hillary.
Can you say highest ratings ever? Possible highest voter turnout as well?
I disavow this conversation. It never happened and we have never met.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Nope, Hillary's biggest fan @ SCOTUS vacancies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuestion: When Hillary inevitably wins the nomination, are you going to remain this critical of her during the general election?Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Real talk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymMfQUJY_BA
If you read past the sensational headline, you'll see that Rubio is actually pro-legalization of online poker, but is just against legalizing other forms of online gambling.Quote:
Originally Posted by big dick
He isn't a fan of the current state-by-state regulation and would prefer to do it federally, but it basically sounds like he wants to leave online poker alone, even though Adelson (who has expressed interest in backing him) is against online poker.
So that's good enough.
I wouldn't vote for the guy if he was a rabid online poker opponent, but since he's already qualifying that online poker is different and he'd be fine with regulation of it, I can feel fine about supporting him.
I guess it's the nature of the lying. Republicans lie but the base actually takes them at their word and holds them to a moral standard. That was the point of what I said. If a Republican goes back on his word i.e 'No new taxes', he gets his dick cut off and shoved down his throat. If a Democrat tells you that 'you can keep your doctor' and lies, everyone already knew that you wouldn't be able to but said it to lie to the republican side to get them on the hook. Democrats laugh that the lie worked. Republicans that vote for democrats are suckers because they are laughing at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muck FiconThis is hilarious. Only Democrats lie? News flash.....all these fuckers lie. Look at the "options" we have....Clinton, Sanders, Bush, Cruz, Trump, Rubio? We are fucked no matter what lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
Fascinating stuff going on in South Carolina.
Cruz has a Super PAC that has knocked on 100,000 doors, never been tried before by a Super PAC.
Will be interesting to see how that works out.
Early Predictions:
Trump 31%
Cruz 28%
Bush 16%
Rubio 11%
Kasich 8%
Carson 6%
If it goes this way, it will really fuck me. I have $600 at -120 for Trump winning by 8 or more. Looks like a lock, but if this Super PAC tightens the gap below 8, that will really suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
I still think my -600 bet for $1500 on Bovada for Trump to win OUTRIGHT is safe.
Election is only 4 days away, and Trump is ahead by 20 right now in poll averages.
Can we start taking bets on Bernie winning the popular vote in a State, but losing because of Superdelegates yet?
Problem with that is media just presumes all Super Delegates are pro Hillary. We will see if this continues to be close if they bail on her.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Dragons
Saw this story got recycled today, must be a slow news day.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...edirect-216501
This story came out in December
It was also posted on PFA back in December too... I should remember because I was the only one to positive rep such a post...Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83Saw this story got recycled today, must be a slow news day.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/1...edirect-216501
This story came out in December
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...olitics/page19
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Originally Posted by BetCheckBetIt was also posted on PFA back in December too... I should remember because I was the only one to positive rep such a post...Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...olitics/page19
oh funny, yeah i just noticed the tweet date was jan 6 2016. so apparently trumps team is making sure this stays trending.
LOL. There is no such thing as a lock. That is why they call it gambling. Pulling for you anyway. Good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffIf it goes this way, it will really fuck me. I have $600 at -120 for Trump winning by 8 or more. Looks like a lock, but if this Super PAC tightens the gap below 8, that will really suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
I still think my -600 bet for $1500 on Bovada for Trump to win OUTRIGHT is safe.
Election is only 4 days away, and Trump is ahead by 20 right now in poll averages.
More bullshit. For example, Team Bush lied about being a "compassionate consersative", and specifically about his "faith initiative". The guy who initially ran his faith initiative program quit after a few years after realizing that Team Bush was simply using "faith" to cynically promote other agendas. And he wrote a scathing indictment of the matter. But the vast swaths of religious conservatives continued to support Bush to get him re-elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4DragonsI guess it's the nature of the lying. Republicans lie but the base actually takes them at their word and holds them to a moral standard. That was the point of what I said. If a Republican goes back on his word i.e 'No new taxes', he gets his dick cut off and shoved down his throat. If a Democrat tells you that 'you can keep your doctor' and lies, everyone already knew that you wouldn't be able to but said it to lie to the republican side to get them on the hook. Democrats laugh that the lie worked. Republicans that vote for democrats are suckers because they are laughing at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon