Considering the season Eli had this season I probably look a little foolish saying I would take him over Kap though. That's the guy I would single out and say "WTF are you thinking?". Only reason I would consider him over Kap is because of the two Superbowl rings, but he definitely took a lot of steps back this season.
Same thing with Eli and Cutler, they both seemed to be a model of regression. Foles I can understand I guess, at least stats wise he had a solid year. The thing with Kap though is he is still young and I think all of his cons can be turned around, let's see how hard he works in the off-season to correct his mistakes. Hell, if I were a Bears fan I would still take Kap over Cutler through next season because I think he will just do much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
I would definitely take Foles, he has everything I want in a QB. He's intelligent, accurate, somewhat mobile, strong arm and doesn't make mistakes. These are the attributes of a HOF QB. He is only going to get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
Cutler on the other hand I can understand not picking over Kap, he is prone to make game changing mistakes and does seem to fold under pressure a bit. However, at this point I do feel he is a better all around QB. The only reason Bears fans would jump on the chance to get Kap is because he has a much larger upside over Cutler down the road, but at this stage if we are talking about a QB to lead you through just next season I would probably stick with Cutler. It's close though for sure.
The other one that had me scratching my head was Big Ben. I think he is just past his prime, maybe the Steelers are in the post season conversation for the next couple of years but I think they will mainly be there to motivate other teams to win and not in a "control their own destiny" manner.
The rest of your list is basically the cream of the crop so I can't argue too much there, although Drew Brees I might leave out just because his actual production has been lower than the expectations for him. Obviously it can be debated though.
Big Ben is definitely on the downside of his career, but he is still in a different class than Kap. Knock out the first 4 games of this season where the Steelers had no offensive line or run game and they are a legit contender to win another Superbowl, even with their old D. They had one of the best second halves of any team this season. I will take Big Ben for another 3-4 years over Kap at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeaterSame thing with Eli and Cutler, they both seemed to be a model of regression. Foles I can understand I guess, at least stats wise he had a solid year. The thing with Kap though is he is still young and I think all of his cons can be turned around, let's see how hard he works in the off-season to correct his mistakes. Hell, if I were a Bears fan I would still take Kap over Cutler through next season because I think he will just do much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
The other one that had me scratching my head was Big Ben. I think he is just past his prime, maybe the Steelers are in the post season conversation for the next couple of years but I think they will mainly be there to motivate other teams to win and not in a "control their own destiny" manner.
The rest of your list is basically the cream of the crop so I can't argue too much there, although Drew Brees I might leave out just because his actual production has been lower than the expectations for him. Obviously it can be debated though.
Yeah I give them props on their second half but still, I don't see big Ben being a force to reckon with for the next 3-4 years. I could be wrong though.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Big Ben is definitely on the downside of his career, but he is still in a different class than Kap. Knock out the first 4 games of this season where the Steelers had no offensive line or run game and they are a legit contender to win another Superbowl, even with their old D. They had one of the best second halves of any team this season. I will take Big Ben for another 3-4 years over Kap at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunbeater
Ben had a really good year this year all things considered. Pouncey went down the first week, his OL didn't come together until the end of the season, the Steelers lost Wallace to Miami. Leveon Bell was out until the last 6 games or so. The Steelers defense wasn't nearly as good and he was forced to try and do everything early. Once Bell came back and gave them a little running game and a guy who could catch out of the backfield, they were much better, and he was looking really good. He still lengthens plays and finds guys downfield that only a handful of QB's could. He's only 31 coming up on 32. Getting older, but like 13 months older than Cutler and maybe 18 months older than Rodgers. He's got a good 4-6 years left at a high level.Quote:
The other one that had me scratching my head was Big Ben. I think he is just past his prime
That's the thing about Kap. He's almost 1-2 years older than most of the guys he is being compared to. He'll turn 27 during the season next year. He's a full year older than Wilson who played all 4 years in college.
The ages of the young guns.
11/87 kap
5/89 Newton
11/88 Wilson
2/90 rg3
1/89 Foles
That has to be a consideration when you're looking at the future of a guy who runs a lot. I like Kap, and find him in the middle of where Mulva thinks he is, and where JimmyG thinks he is. I prefer him to Cutler on Vegas list, Foles is too early to tell. He's good, but he isn't rg3'S age when you look at his development. In age, he's more similar to Bradford born 5 days after Kap yet drafted a year earlier. He would have been one of the older guys in the 2010 draft, let alone the '11 draft. Ben is as close in age to Rodgers and Cutler that Kap is to Newton and Wilson who were drafted in the same year.
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Kap is hella overrated. Sure he can run, but he has terrible awareness and can't make some of the most basic throws (i.e., a ten yard pass that isn't a laser). Also, he tried his best to kill my fantasy team earlier this year by sucking (literally had to waive him for alex smith).
QBs i would rather have if i was an NFL GM:
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Russell Wilson
Cam Newton
Matt Ryan
Nick Foles
RG III (seriously)
Andrew Luck
Philip bolo tie noodle arm Rivers
QBs i would have to flip a coin to decide whether id rather have than Kap
Matt Stafford
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Ben Rapelberger
Ryan Tannehill
QBs i know for sure id rather have Kap than
Andy Dalton
Any qb with the vikings, the browns, the jags, the titans, the rams, the texans (though if case keenum could read a blitz then i might change my mind), and the raiders.
Carson Palmer
Joe Flacco
Mike Glennon (see case keenum)
Im just gonna go ahead and pretend romo, vick, and eli dont exist because i dont want to make jimmy's head explode.
Also mulva totally has rent in jimmy's head and he also won this thread
They were also a play away from the Super Bowl the year before he became a starter. Anyone that's trying to argue that the 49er's defense isn't the heart and soul of that team is bat shit crazy. Ya he had a good first half running the ball but he also only had 35 yards passing. They had all the momentum at the beginning of that game and if he was an average NFL passer they would have built a bigger lead. Reality is that you could plug in several average QBs in the NFL and the 49ers would have had similar success the last two years, Alex Smith included.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
You already looked like a fool w/your gore statement, now just the defense did it???? fng clown.
If you want to keep looking like a fool and say the guy who led them to the SB, then got w/in one play of the Sb again, sucks, keep writing,
Makes a lot of sense.
I can't argue w.pure nonsense, so I'll just put you on the Mulva plan.
he lost this thread the second he hit send, I understand that as PFA trolls, most of you wouldn't get that, but ask any NFL GM, and you will see. Believe me, I'm a 49er fan, if he sucked I'd be the loudest one on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by rum dick
The stats don't lie, the W-L doesn't lie. I don't care about changing your opinion, and I certainly don';t care about yours.
Seriously, if he won the super bowl , you clowns would say something like "its only 1"
He brings something you can't see in a box score and it is sad that you guys don't see it.
All you guys must live in areas w/ a real high threshold for a successful QB, I only live in SF, 5 time Superbowl champions, and home to Joe Montana and Steve Young.
I just keep spitting out facts, you trolls keep spitting out opinions.
I'll have an intelligent convo w/anyone, to say it was all Defense, or "he sucks", simply isn't one.
OMG Alex smith?????? Even the radio hosts would hang up on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishThey were also a play away from the Super Bowl the year before he became a starter. Anyone that's trying to argue that the 49er's defense isn't the heart and soul of that team is bat shit crazy. Ya he had a good first half running the ball but he also only had 35 yards passing. They had all the momentum at the beginning of that game and if he was an average NFL passer they would have built a bigger lead. Reality is that you could plug in several average QBs in the NFL and the 49ers would have had similar success the last two years, Alex Smith included.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415
we've hit the official stupidest post on the thread, (only because you are trying to bring facts, at least the other posts are 100 % opinions.)
you guys are too into Fantasy sports, to get it.
I only care about winning.
moron we were up 10-3 when he "only had 35 yards passing",
I'll side w/Jim Harbaugh, he is a bit more accomplished than Mulva in his football career.
Look at Alex Smith's regular season record. He also almost had the 49ers in a few superbowls.
I don't think anyone is really saying KAEP sucks. I think(at least me personally) I am saying he's not ELITE.
You keep insinuating he is an elite QB.
Yes, he will get a huge contract. Will it fail? Probably IMO, just IMO, not yours. Lots of QBs have huge contracts. That doesn't make them elite.
You keep saying he went to two NFC Championships, but Alex Smith basically accomplished the same things he has(minus the running stats)
Your team would be a playoff team with about 15-20 QBs in this league. He just happened to get drafted and play there. The Niners needed to blame someone for them not winning a SB, and Alex Smith was the perfect scapegoat. KAEP has not done THAT MUCH BETTER.
It would honestly be a really good debate as to whether or not the Niners would've been just as good with Alex Smith this year as KAEP. If you don't think that's debatable than YOU are the one who isn't worth arguing with.
You keep citing NFL GM's as if you and bottomset have them all on speed dial. You have no clue.
I've said this a few times already, of course they are going to covet KAEP. He's not bad, he's just not elite. He has the possibility of becoming elite, but it won't happen with his legs. IMO those legs will just get him killed in the long run, turning it into a short run. He needs to become a better/smarter player, and he has a shot. He clearly has the athleticism.
Nothing else to really say in this thread.
Mulva is clearly trolling when he says he's horrible, and you're clearly just a homer when you say he's ELITE.
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Weiss: What does ninth in passing stats mean? Did you just pick the friendliest stat and call it "passing stats". I've never heard of such a ranking.
Well it has been around for 30 years +, guess it shows where your football knowledge is.
Passer rating.
Look who's number 1. Is he elite?
Also KAEP's completion % is bottom tier of the league.
Not gonna say that's awful, but it definitely could use a huge improvement, ie: decision making
(Unless Druff overrides me)Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
You have no say as to when this thread ends. So stop acting like you have some power to do so.
I KEEP W/ the facts you guys keep w/ the opinions.
# 1 here is the Alex Smith Era, Great WL record
# 2 this thread is 100 % about if Kap sucks or not, or in reality if the 49ers "shit the bed " when picking him in the 2nd round.
I get that it has evolved to I lose if he isn't the best QB in NFL history,
but I never said he was elite,
Ok, so just going on the Qbs rated under him just based on QB rating alone, also assuming that this Qb would join the already amazing DEF of the niners and reliable running game, also assuming 100% health. You can honesly say you'd have KAEP over the following? Also basing this on this season that just passed and next season.
Matt Ryan
Cam Newtown
Tom Brady
Andrew Luck
Matt Stafford
Leaving out questionable ones like
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Andy Dalton
RG3
Eli Manning
There are 5 right there behind KAEP in passer rating this year that I think would've been better than him. Another five would have a great shot at having a better outcome as well
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Originally Posted by vegas1369Relax bro, all I was talking about was him reading D's and going through his progressions, and whether or not I think he is a top 10 QB. Read my last sentence again, I clearly stated I don't think he sucks like Mulva said.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyG_415
Also, try to answer this truthfully... Do you really think San Fran would have gotten this far the last 2 seasons without the stellar D and offensive line they have? Every QB on that list I made above would have taken them this far as well IMO, and some would have gone further. I'm not saying San Fran made a mistake drafting him and giving him the starting job, all I'm saying is there is a lot of room for improvement with this guy, and arguing for however many pages over this like you have is kind of silly.
I'll agree w/that silly remark, but, You guys keep firing silly opinions at me,
I'll keep firing silly stats back to prove he is not a shitty 2nd round pick.
That is all I'm trying to say, the stats that I provide obviously prove I'm so right that you just take it as though I'm making a case for him to get in the HOF.
The 49ers win w/Kaepernick and will continue to do so.
Any NFL team, (even philly) would take what he has given to the 49ers from a 2nd rounder.
We would rather have Foles in the third round
See here you go putting words in my mouth again, when did i say i wouldn't trade him for anyone EVER.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTIFIEDhomicide
Again this post has gotten to far away from the Op.
If you want an intelligent response from me,
All posts have to read;
I agree w/Mulva that 49ers made a bad decision in picking Kaepernick w/ their 2nd round pick because _______________
If you can't start your post w/that sentence, then
you agree w/me and not Mulva, and needless to say you will be ignored.