***OFFICIAL RUSSIA/UKRAINE WAR*** thread

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by vpbob

The argument that Russia is justified because we broke the binding agreement not to expand NATO, complete Russian lies.

The U.S. did not promise to limit NATO expansion. According to whom? Gorbachev.

“The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”

I don't ask you to look it up. Here is the citation, with the quote that Putin and you keep citing.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-fr...achev-says-no/

If the promise to limit NATO expansion was so important to Russia, why was it not put into writing?

An agreement that was put into writing was the Budapest Memorandum, in which Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchanges for certain assurances.

According to the three memoranda, Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following:
• Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
• Refrain from the threat or the use of force against the signatory.
• Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the signatory of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
• Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
• Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against the signatory.
• Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.

Putin is the only one breaking a binding commitment here. Asserting otherwise is abject stupidity.

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Putin invaded Ukraine, a country adjacent to Russia, over security concerns.

The United States invaded Iraq, a country over 6000 miles away from it's shores, over security concerns. At least that's what we were told.

So why the double standard? Why does the United States have a right to invade countries but Russia doesn't? Do we have more rights than everyone else?

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There were no security concerns. According to whom? Prigozhin.

In an interview from the past month, he said:

"On 24 February [2022] there was nothing extraordinary happening there. Now the Ministry of Defence is trying to deceive the public, deceive the president and tell a story that there was some crazy aggression by Ukraine, that - together with the whole NATO bloc - Ukraine was planning to attack us.

"The war was needed... so that Shoigu could become a Marshal, so that he could get a second Hero Star… the war wasn't for demilitarising or de-nazifying Ukraine. It was needed for an extra star."

Of course this was when Prigozhin thought he could separate Putin from the Ministry of Defense.

If the Russian people and military support the war, why was a ragtag army of 25,000 able to make it to within 100 miles of Moscow in a day.

I don't watch CNN. I do read old Ronald Reagan speeches.

"We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent."

“Freedom is not the sole prerogative of a chosen few; it is the universal right of all God’s children.” America’s “mission” was to “nourish and defend freedom and democracy.” More specifically, Reagan declared that, “We must stand by our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth.” “Support for freedom fighters is self-defense.”

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Originally Posted by vpbob

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Putin invaded Ukraine, a country adjacent to Russia, over security concerns.

The United States invaded Iraq, a country over 6000 miles away from it's shores, over security concerns. At least that's what we were told.

So why the double standard? Why does the United States have a right to invade countries but Russia doesn't? Do we have more rights than everyone else?

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There were no security concerns. According to whom? Prigozhin.

In an interview from the past month, he said:

"On 24 February [2022] there was nothing extraordinary happening there. Now the Ministry of Defence is trying to deceive the public, deceive the president and tell a story that there was some crazy aggression by Ukraine, that - together with the whole NATO bloc - Ukraine was planning to attack us.

"The war was needed... so that Shoigu could become a Marshal, so that he could get a second Hero Star… the war wasn't for demilitarising or de-nazifying Ukraine. It was needed for an extra star."

Of course this was when Prigozhin thought he could separate Putin from the Ministry of Defense.

If the Russian people and military support the war, why was a ragtag army of 25,000 able to make it to within 100 miles of Moscow in a day.

I don't watch CNN. I do read old Ronald Reagan speeches.

"We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent."

“Freedom is not the sole prerogative of a chosen few; it is the universal right of all God’s children.” America’s “mission” was to “nourish and defend freedom and democracy.” More specifically, Reagan declared that, “We must stand by our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth.” “Support for freedom fighters is self-defense.”

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The US literally started and funded a coup in 2014 (Nuland's cookies) ... you fucking boomers are so dumb. You have the memory of a small child. KYS ASAP

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Originally Posted by sah_24

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Originally Posted by vpbob

There were no security concerns. According to whom? Prigozhin.

In an interview from the past month, he said:

"On 24 February [2022] there was nothing extraordinary happening there. Now the Ministry of Defence is trying to deceive the public, deceive the president and tell a story that there was some crazy aggression by Ukraine, that - together with the whole NATO bloc - Ukraine was planning to attack us.

"The war was needed... so that Shoigu could become a Marshal, so that he could get a second Hero Star… the war wasn't for demilitarising or de-nazifying Ukraine. It was needed for an extra star."

Of course this was when Prigozhin thought he could separate Putin from the Ministry of Defense.

If the Russian people and military support the war, why was a ragtag army of 25,000 able to make it to within 100 miles of Moscow in a day.

I don't watch CNN. I do read old Ronald Reagan speeches.

"We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent."

“Freedom is not the sole prerogative of a chosen few; it is the universal right of all God’s children.” America’s “mission” was to “nourish and defend freedom and democracy.” More specifically, Reagan declared that, “We must stand by our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth.” “Support for freedom fighters is self-defense.”

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The US literally started and funded a coup in 2014 (Nuland's cookies) ... you fucking boomers are so dumb. You have the memory of a small child. KYS ASAP

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My memory’s fine. It does consist of more than repeating Russian propaganda though. Boy do you conservatives really hate America.

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Originally Posted by vpbob

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Originally Posted by sah_24

The US literally started and funded a coup in 2014 (Nuland's cookies) ... you fucking boomers are so dumb. You have the memory of a small child. KYS ASAP

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My memory’s fine. It does consist of more than repeating Russian propaganda though. Boy do you conservatives really hate America.

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No your memory is the typical MSM tv watching boomer memory ... I hate hypocrites with low IQs no doubt :)

https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status...497181184?s=20

and right on time


https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/s...768663042?s=20

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...841764352?s=20

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Originally Posted by OK2

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...841764352?s=20

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Elections are for peacetime
-Joe Biden

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Originally Posted by vpbob

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Putin invaded Ukraine, a country adjacent to Russia, over security concerns.

The United States invaded Iraq, a country over 6000 miles away from it's shores, over security concerns. At least that's what we were told.

So why the double standard? Why does the United States have a right to invade countries but Russia doesn't? Do we have more rights than everyone else?

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There were no security concerns. According to whom? Prigozhin.

In an interview from the past month, he said:

"On 24 February [2022] there was nothing extraordinary happening there. Now the Ministry of Defence is trying to deceive the public, deceive the president and tell a story that there was some crazy aggression by Ukraine, that - together with the whole NATO bloc - Ukraine was planning to attack us.

"The war was needed... so that Shoigu could become a Marshal, so that he could get a second Hero Star… the war wasn't for demilitarising or de-nazifying Ukraine. It was needed for an extra star."

Of course this was when Prigozhin thought he could separate Putin from the Ministry of Defense.

If the Russian people and military support the war, why was a ragtag army of 25,000 able to make it to within 100 miles of Moscow in a day.

I don't watch CNN. I do read old Ronald Reagan speeches.

"We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent."

“Freedom is not the sole prerogative of a chosen few; it is the universal right of all God’s children.” America’s “mission” was to “nourish and defend freedom and democracy.” More specifically, Reagan declared that, “We must stand by our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth.” “Support for freedom fighters is self-defense.”

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All you need to know about this site is in display. A member provides historical facts and logical arguments to an important topic and is virtually jumped by the proudly uneducated.

This is your ghost town. That is why it is this way

https://static.dw.com/image/39655338_605.jpg

https://i.insider.com/590a32ca2ceae9...jpeg&auto=webp

https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-conten...a-20160608.jpg

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

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https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-conten...a-20160608.jpg

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God you are fucking retarded

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

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Originally Posted by OK2

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...841764352?s=20

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Elections are for peacetime
-Joe Biden

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:popcorn

Consider this. Someone decides to take what is yours.
They are “serious”. They will stop at nothing to do so
and have stated so

It is a bluff.

Rule number one for these thugs is to scare the shit out of everyone

That tactic is lost when war in declared. Nothing changes the resolve of Ukraine and its many supporters

Total capitulation/surrender of Russia is the only way out

If you believe Russia enveloping Ukraine in a murderous campaign is possible or sustainable realize that would constitute a greater war.

Russia has fucked up big time.
It is over for them as they are

Imagine an autocratic entity, charged with
war crimes, now claims to represent many thousands
defeated in recent wars

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...1823148513.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/a6...81ebb2ac78.jpg

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Originally Posted by limitles

Consider this. Someone decides to take what is yours.
They are “serious”. They will stop at nothing to do so
and have stated so

It is a bluff.

Rule number one for these thugs is to scare the shit out of everyone

That tactic is lost when war in declared. Nothing changes the resolve of Ukraine and its many supporters

Total capitulation/surrender of Russia is the only way out

If you believe Russia enveloping Ukraine in a murderous campaign is possible or sustainable realize that would constitute a greater war.

Russia has fucked up big time.
It is over for them as they are

Imagine an autocratic entity, charged with
war crimes, now claims to represent many thousands
defeated in recent wars

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You have repeatedly been proven wrong at every step of this conflict ... Ghost of Kyiv

What happened in Syria ? Lols

[QUOTE=sah_24;1087304]

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Originally Posted by limitles

Consider this. Someone decides to take what is yours.
They are “serious”. They will stop at nothing to do so
and have stated so

It is a bluff.

Rule number one for these thugs is to scare the shit out of everyone

That tactic is lost when war in declared. Nothing changes the resolve of Ukraine and its many supporters

Total capitulation/surrender of Russia is the only way out

Russia has fucked up big time.
It is over for them. /QUOTE]

You have repeatedly been proven wrong at every step of this conflict ... Ghost of Kyiv

What happened in Syria ? Lols

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Go right ahead and point to my errors when commenting on the invasion of Ukraine.
Do it. It’s text. It should be there if you say it is

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Originally Posted by limitles

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Originally Posted by vpbob

There were no security concerns. According to whom? Prigozhin.

In an interview from the past month, he said:

"On 24 February [2022] there was nothing extraordinary happening there. Now the Ministry of Defence is trying to deceive the public, deceive the president and tell a story that there was some crazy aggression by Ukraine, that - together with the whole NATO bloc - Ukraine was planning to attack us.

"The war was needed... so that Shoigu could become a Marshal, so that he could get a second Hero Star… the war wasn't for demilitarising or de-nazifying Ukraine. It was needed for an extra star."

Of course this was when Prigozhin thought he could separate Putin from the Ministry of Defense.

If the Russian people and military support the war, why was a ragtag army of 25,000 able to make it to within 100 miles of Moscow in a day.

I don't watch CNN. I do read old Ronald Reagan speeches.

"We in America have learned bitter lessons from two World Wars: It is better to be here ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We’ve learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent."

“Freedom is not the sole prerogative of a chosen few; it is the universal right of all God’s children.” America’s “mission” was to “nourish and defend freedom and democracy.” More specifically, Reagan declared that, “We must stand by our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth.” “Support for freedom fighters is self-defense.”

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All you need to know about this site is in display. A member provides historical facts and logical arguments to an important topic and is virtually jumped by the proudly uneducated.

This is your ghost town. That is why it is this way

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Anyone who believes Russia does not have security concerns with the countries on it's border is terminally stupid. Anyone that thinks the Russian defense minister started the war so he could get a medal is terminally stupid.

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

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Originally Posted by limitles

All you need to know about this site is in display. A member provides historical facts and logical arguments to an important topic and is virtually jumped by the proudly uneducated.

This is your ghost town. That is why it is this way

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Anyone who believes Russia does not have security concerns with the countries on its border is terminally stupid. Anyone that thinks the Russian defense minister started the war so he could get a medal is terminally stupid.

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“Countries on its border.” A direct quote from a guy named Mickey.
That is pretty normal if you identify as a nation.
The U.S. shares a border with Russia etc., etc., etc.

If your actions are the major cause of your insecurities, you’ll just have to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by limitles

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Originally Posted by mickeycrimm

Anyone who believes Russia does not have security concerns with the countries on its border is terminally stupid. Anyone that thinks the Russian defense minister started the war so he could get a medal is terminally stupid.

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“Countries on its border.” A direct quote from a guy named Mickey.
That is pretty normal if you identify as a nation.
The U.S. shares a border with Russia etc., etc., etc.

If your actions are the major cause of your insecurities, you’ll just have to deal with it.

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https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status...831858178?s=20

:lol2

Shut the fuck up retard

https://youtu.be/6Ejga4kJUts