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Historically speaking. It rarely, if ever ends well for minorities in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
jesus christ. and what is your "solution" for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
Do nothing and eventually their power and influence is taken from them by the pissed off majority appears to be the normal solution.
how should jews' power and influence be taken from them? what policy position are you advocating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusHistorically speaking. It rarely, if ever ends well for minorities in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Do nothing and eventually their power and influence is taken from them by the pissed off majority appears to be the normal solution.
You're quoting figures of those who practise Judaism as a religion and ignoring those with Jewish ancestors, and or dual Israeli citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnPUS population is 1.5% Jewish, 6% of the House Jewish, 8% of the Senate. Your numbers are way off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
There is currently at least 13 senators with dual Israeli citizenship alone.
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Benjamin Cardin (D-MD) Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Al Franken (D-MN) Herb Kohl (D-WI) Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) Joseph Lieberman (Independent-CT) Carl Levin (D-MI) Bernie Sanders (Independent-VT) Charles Schumer (D-NY) Ron Wyden (D-OR) Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Add Brian Schatz and Jackiy Rosen and that's at least 15% of the Senate.
this looks like you just listed all jews in the senateQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusYou're quoting figures of those who practise Judaism as a religion and ignoring those with Jewish ancestors, and or dual Israeli citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
There is currently at least 13 senators with dual Israeli citizenship alone.
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Benjamin Cardin (D-MD) Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Al Franken (D-MN) Herb Kohl (D-WI) Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) Joseph Lieberman (Independent-CT) Carl Levin (D-MI) Bernie Sanders (Independent-VT) Charles Schumer (D-NY) Ron Wyden (D-OR) Michael Bennet (D-CO)
Uhhh... the bolded ones are definitely no longer in the US Senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusYou're quoting figures of those who practise Judaism as a religion and ignoring those with Jewish ancestors, and or dual Israeli citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
There is currently at least 13 senators with dual Israeli citizenship alone.
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Benjamin Cardin (D-MD) Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Al Franken (D-MN) Herb Kohl (D-WI) Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) Joseph Lieberman (Independent-CT) Carl Levin (D-MI) Bernie Sanders (Independent-VT) Charles Schumer (D-NY) Ron Wyden (D-OR) Michael Bennet (D-CO)
are you sure you're not a complete nutcase?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusYou're quoting figures of those who practise Judaism as a religion and ignoring those with Jewish ancestors, and or dual Israeli citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by VaughnP
There is currently at least 13 senators with dual Israeli citizenship alone.
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Benjamin Cardin (D-MD) Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Al Franken (D-MN) Herb Kohl (D-WI) Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) Joseph Lieberman (Independent-CT) Carl Levin (D-MI) Bernie Sanders (Independent-VT) Charles Schumer (D-NY) Ron Wyden (D-OR) Michael Bennet (D-CO)
The strange, anti-Semitic Internet rumor that Bernie Sanders has Israeli citizenship
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7fc335bee819
this moron got that list from quora.
"Sichel tracked down a mention of Sanders being a dual citizen in the comments section of a Facebook page, where a user had posted a list of senators and representatives who "have both Israel and U.S. citizenships."
"No source is given," Sichel wrote, "because the list is a total fabrication, not to mention created by an anti-Semite and anti-Zionist, which is given away by the fact that it says ‘Jewish Lobby,’ ‘#israelwarcrime,’ ‘AIPAC: Buying Congress one seat at a time,’ ‘Rothschild,’ and features an American flag with a Star of David replacing the 50 stars."
https://www.politifact.com/punditfac...-bernie-sande/
this is the same list this idiot is referring to.
and i assume the salty_aus account is now history and fps can move on to his third one
Or perhaps this kook-authored site:Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
https://prepareforchange.net/2018/06...p-with-israel/
Or the one it got a cunard-generating graphic from:
https://govbanknotes.wordpress.com/2...dual-citizens/
Looks like Stone is going back to Court over this - he (and his lawyers) better wear an extra pair of underwear to the hearingQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
@NBCNews
NEW: Exclusive: Trump admin. launches global campaign to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it's still illegal to be gay, US officials tell @NBCNews
Thanks Obama.
Franken resigned, Boxer retired, and Herb Kohl hasn't been a Senator for 6 years, same thing with Lieberman. Levin hasn't been for 3 years. Geez.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeare you sure you're not a complete nutcase?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
The strange, anti-Semitic Internet rumor that Bernie Sanders has Israeli citizenship
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7fc335bee819
By putting up his outdated and innacurate list, Salty does highlight an important reality moving forward. The Democratic Party is de-Jewing itself. Most of the people on that list who actually are still senators won’t be around in 20 years, and there are no young Jews in the pipelines to take their place. MoSt young Jews realize that due to intersectionality and the oppression olympicss which increasingly shape the emerging left, there is no place for white Jews in leftist politics.
If you do actually think there is a Jewish problem in US politics rest assured that demographic trends will make this a non issue soon enough.
Yup that was shit post. On my phone and realised the moment I hit send that list was utter bullshit... one of them is dead too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyOr perhaps this kook-authored site:Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
https://prepareforchange.net/2018/06...p-with-israel/
Or the one it got a cunard-generating graphic from:
https://govbanknotes.wordpress.com/2...dual-citizens/
Flame away chaps.
i appreciate owning up to it, but what type of websites do you go to in order to believe that sort of thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusYup that was shit post. On my phone and realised the moment I hit send that list was utter bullshit... one of them is dead too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Or perhaps this kook-authored site:
https://prepareforchange.net/2018/06...p-with-israel/
Or the one it got a cunard-generating graphic from:
https://govbanknotes.wordpress.com/2...dual-citizens/
Flame away chaps.
Weirdly, american jews marry non-jews far more often than not, and their children are over 80% more likely to marry non-jews. There won't even be jews in the US at all as this continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
I know salty will be pissed.
Minorities in power is a bit of an historical problem. I have no idea is it a real problem since people in power get shuffled all the time anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeWeirdly, american jews marry non-jews far more often than not, and their children are over 80% more likely to marry non-jews. There won't even be jews in the US at all as this continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
I know salty will be pissed.
Say imperialism/colonialism to stuff within our lifetime like South-Africa, Iraq and Syria. More of a 3rd world thingie today with some help from West, Russia and China.
Obv do know the traditional antisemitism, dogwhistles and plethora of solid information about the "jew problem" far right has spread for decades (Russia also does that just to stir things up).
In US politics there's a bit of influence from Israel. Dunno how much of it is bought, how much is natural and how much is some batshit crazy christian right stuff.
This incident highlights something about prejudice: How likely one is to believe and pass along bullshit in the heat of an argument. Extremists and the disingenuous want the inflammatory bullshit to penetrate as far into the minds of the mainstream as possible. And it can result in even marginally biased folks putting faith in highly dubious claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakei appreciate owning up to it, but what type of websites do you go to in order to believe that sort of thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
The number of Jewish people within our political parties really should be a non-issue. If you have a problem with the fact that somebody is Jewish and holds a level of power then that pretty much makes you Anti-Semitic. (actually, it makes you a raging Anti-Semite)
But if you have a Jewish politician who acts in the interest of Israel, sometimes before the country they were elected to serve, then you have every right to question that without being labelled as an Anti-Semite.
And when ordinally people do question the integrity of such politicians, they're ridiculed and crucified on every single public platform in the country. And it's even worse for political/public figures. Because if they dare to even hint at there being a conflict of interest with certain Jewish politicians who have put Israel before their own country & party, then their careers are as good as over.
And I'm speaking here from the perspective of my own country, not America. Because maybe it's different over there and isn't even an issue?
israel is somehow more popular with non-jews (particularly evangelicals) than jews in the US congress. somehow israel has become the symbol against islam to the GOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
LOTF, what makes you have the anti-israel avater photo?
Hella collusion bro...
Putin: We'll target USA if Washington deploys missiles in Europe
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...lUK?ocid=ientp
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Originally Posted by blake
Well, the photo clearly suggests that Palestine doesn't really have a loud enough voice due to Israeli political influence in the outside world. And I fully stand by that.
But don't mistake that for me being anti-Israel, because that is just nonsense. I support Israel on many controversial issues. Like the wall, or the military strikes against Hamas in built-up areas.
I believe that the Palestinians claim to now occupied land by the Israelis is also unrealistic and they should accept that it is gone forever.
But I also have strong opinions on the contempt which the Israeli's show towards completely innocent Palestinians. The brutality is barbaric and some of the treatment is just pure fucking mean.
Since the age of 13 I have visited that part of the world on numerous occasions. Both groups are good peoples and my interest in seeing peace is strong.
And as the avatar again. It is pretty shit tbf, but just haven't been arsed to change it.
are you palestinian or of palestinian descent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the FraudQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
Well, the photo clearly suggests that Palestine doesn't really have a loud enough voice due to Israeli political influence in the outside world. And I fully stand by that.
But don't mistake that for me being anti-Israel, because that is just nonsense. I support Israel on many controversial issues. Like the wall, or the military strikes against Hamas in built-up areas.
I believe that the Palestinians claim to now occupied land by the Israelis is also unrealistic and they should accept that it is gone forever.
But I also have strong opinions on the contempt which the Israeli's show towards completely innocent Palestinians. The brutality is barbaric and some of the treatment is just pure fucking mean.
Since the age of 13 I have visited that part of the world on numerous occasions. Both groups are good peoples and my interest in seeing peace is strong.
And as the avatar again. It is pretty shit tbf, but just haven't been arsed to change it.
i'm asking only because i'm curious as to to why you're passionate enough about the plight of the palestinians to make it your avatar.
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Originally Posted by blakeare you palestinian or of palestinian descent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
i'm asking only because i'm curious as to to why you're passionate enough about the plight of the palestinians to make it your avatar.
Christ, its just an avatar, not a fucking tattoo.
But yes, I take an interest in the plight of Palestinians probably because I've spent huge amounts of time in the company of Palestinians.
But so what even if I had zero connections with the region? Millions of people take a keen interest without holding a shred of animosity towards Jewish people.
And your suspicion of my own interest in the conflict is quite frankly insulting.
So just cut to the chase and ask me straight out if I am a Jew-hating Nazi and we can all go to bed?
sorry if you find it insulting (ok i'm not) but it's a reasonable question. a person that uses an avatar with an israeli hand silencing someone's mouth might just not be that fond of jews, since jews are often equated with israelis. would you honestly be shocked if you saw users on stormfront using the same avatar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the FraudQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
Christ, its just an avatar, not a fucking tattoo.
But yes, I take an interest in the plight of Palestinians probably because I've spent huge amounts of time in the company of Palestinians.
But so what even if I had zero connections with the region? Millions of people take a keen interest without holding a shred of animosity towards Jewish people.
And your suspicion of my own interest in the conflict is quite frankly insulting.
So just cut to the chase and ask me straight out if I am a Jew-hating Nazi and we can all go to bed?
it's like if i used a confederate flag as my avatar. now i might not be racist, but what would your first thought be? wouldn't you think i have some issues with black people? a lot of people view the MAGA hat the same way.
you explained a legitimate reason for using that avatar, which is fine. but it's a reasonable question.
There’s no “somehow” about it. Conservative Christians overwhelming tend to literally believe in the End Times prophecy in the Book of Revelation. And the End Times can’t happen unless Israel exists as a nation state. Too bad, though, for the Jews there who don’t convert to believing that Jesus is God’s Son, the Messiah, etc., when He returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeisrael is somehow more popular with non-jews (particularly evangelicals) than jews in the US congress. somehow israel has become the symbol against islam to the GOP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-ev...ls-love-israel
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The problem is that things don’t go well for Israel or the Jews in particular. Carey explained that their promotion of “unwavering loyalty to the State of Israel” is tied to the fact that “they envision an international assault against the nation of Israel” at the end of times. The rebuilding of the temple is just “to prepare way for this final conflict.”
The problem is that while this is a joyful event for the small group of faithful Christians who are raptured, it spells disaster for members of other religions. “None of this is good news for the people who live in and around Jerusalem, who amount to pawns in this end-time scenario. The suffering of Arab peoples is taken for granted, while Jews take the brunt of this final ‘great tribulation.’” Carey observed that Jeffress himself thinks that Jews will not be saved without first converting to Christianity. The support of the state of Israel, therefore, should not be misconstrued as unwavering support for the religious rights of Jews; at the end of time Jews must convert or die.
Christianity is a jewish psyop.
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Originally Posted by blakesorry if you find it insulting (ok i'm not) but it's a reasonable question. a person that uses an avatar with an israeli hand silencing someone's mouth might just not be that fond of jews, since jews are often equated with israelis. would you honestly be shocked if you saw users on stormfront using the same avatar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
it's like if i used a confederate flag as my avatar. now i might not be racist, but what would your first thought be? wouldn't you think i have some issues with black people? a lot of people view the MAGA hat the same way.
you explained a legitimate reason for using that avatar, which is fine. but it's a reasonable question.
In some ways, your line of questioning justifies the photograph in question.
People often ask why a powerful, civilized Western democracy behaves so appallingly towards their destitute neighbours... only to be hit with "well why do you give a fuck?" followed by subtle accusations of Anti-Semitism.
It is a similar line taken by Netanyahu & Co. And it works a treat because good decent people from all over the world are shamed into not speaking up for the deeply oppressed Palestinians because they're literally bullied into keeping it shut.
And that is exactly what the picture symbolizes.
shut up naziQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord of the FraudQuote:
Originally Posted by blake
In some ways, your line of questioning justifies the photograph in question.
People often ask why a powerful, civilized Western democracy behaves so appallingly towards their destitute neighbours... only to be hit with "well why do you give a fuck?" followed by subtle accusations of Anti-Semitism.
It is a similar line taken by Netanyahu & Co. And it works a treat because good decent people from all over the world are shamed into not speaking up for the deeply oppressed Palestinians because they're literally bullied into keeping it shut.
And that is exactly what the picture symbolizes.
Nah, people can’t articulate very well why they give a fuck because they don’t really know. They are just sheeple bah’ing along. They are told this is something they are supposed to have a strong opinion about and so they do. It isn’t much more than that.
The real question I Should be asking myself is why i care so much about people I don’t know on the other side of the world pretending to care about other people I don’t know. That is a real head scratcher.
#Breaking Fmr DOJ Official @BruceFeinEsq: McCabe was trying to reverse an election
Coup! Coup! CA-CHOOOOOOO!!!
Some people just aren't very good at articulating their thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
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Originally Posted by devidee
Fein is a resident scholar at the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA), works with the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund, and actively denies the Armenian Genocide.
Fein has penned several articles on the topic, including in The Washington Times and The Huffington Post.[4] Fein denies racial, ethnic or religious motivation for the Armenian Genocide.[3]
im sure its all a big ((( misunderstanding ))) tho.
Have you read either of the articles linked in his Wikipedia article that you copy-pasted here? I’ve been in the “It was a genocide” camp for quite some time, but found the argument Fein made against calling it a genocide in the footnote [3] linked article to have considerable merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Fein is a resident scholar at the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA), works with the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund, and actively denies the Armenian Genocide.
Fein has penned several articles on the topic, including in The Washington Times and The Huffington Post.[4] Fein denies racial, ethnic or religious motivation for the Armenian Genocide.[3]
im sure its all a big ((( misunderstanding ))) tho.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce..._b_211408.html
But let’s be clear: What the Turks did to those Armenians was definitely a war crime akin to the Japanese Army’s Bataan Death March of war prisoners, and the US Army’s Trail of Tears relocation of the Cherokee.
so mueller will be done next week and he never bothered to talk to julian Assange where he got the emails. so it was seth rich then obv
devidee: It only counts if its 6 gorillian.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyHave you read either of the articles linked in his Wikipedia article that you copy-pasted here? I’ve been in the “It was a genocide” camp for quite some time, but found the argument Fein made against calling it a genocide in the footnote [3] linked article to have considerable merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce..._b_211408.html
But let’s be clear: What the Turks did to those Armenians was definitely a war crime akin to the Japanese Army’s Bataan Death March of war prisoners, and the US Army’s Trail of Tears relocation of the Cherokee.
Fein’s argument isn’t that it’s not genocide because the number killed isn’t in the millions, but that as claimed by the Armenians immediately after World War I when they were arguing for their own country, the Ottoman Turks acted against them was because the Armenians had been belligerents against the Turks during the war. It fact, it is well documented that the Armenians collaborated with the Russians against the Turks before the Soviets overthrew the Russian government. And when they couldn’t get the post-war powers to give them their own homeland based on that argument, the Armenians then claimed that the Ottoman Turks subjected them to genocide.
And later to add fuel to the fire of this claim, later generations of genocide claimants dramatically, and ahistorically, escalated the number of Armenians killed by the Turks in that event in order to drum up sympathy in Congress to officially rule that the Turks had committed intentional genocide.
That’s the brunt of Fein’s argument. He may be lawyerly splitting hairs by not calling it a genocide, but I don’t believe that the Allies made a claim that Japan committed genocide in the Bataan Death March. And officially declaring it a genocide has international implications beyond one of merely a war crime.
Those poor Turks having to carry the burden of falsely committing a genocide. Thank God they have grounded intellectual saviors like MJL to speak "truth" to evidence. Also maybe devi will post a cool pic and it'll magically disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Fein is a resident scholar at the Turkish Coalition of America (TCA), works with the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund, and actively denies the Armenian Genocide.
Fein has penned several articles on the topic, including in The Washington Times and The Huffington Post.[4] Fein denies racial, ethnic or religious motivation for the Armenian Genocide.[3]
im sure its all a big ((( misunderstanding ))) tho.