IS SEALS WITH CLUBS DONKDOWN??? (Update: Micon charged with a felony in Nevada)

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Originally Posted by Forum Wars

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Originally Posted by Bootsy Collins

Oh I was thinking more on the hypothetical sense if he was to be let back in.

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Anyone know how he got out of the good ol' USA? How serious were any of the charges against him if they (law enforcement) didn't make him surrender his passport? Usually, that's a requirement along with a heavy bond in cases where law enforcement thinks someone may run. How could they not think he'd be a flight risk (they read his social media)...

Perhaps there was no such stipulations or even a large bond?

Anyways, sounds like a mismatch: 10 agents with guns picking getting him and no passport surrender requirement and free to leave the country less than 10 days later...

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It was a little bit weird, but I think him leaving the country so quickly probably took them by surprise.

They probably planned to seize his equipment, go through everything, and file charges later.

It's very possible that they were looking for evidence that he actually owned part of Seals, rather than just being an employee promoting it. They may not have had enough to charge him prior to the seizures.

He wasn't arrested, so I don't believe they could have legally prevented him from leaving the country without filing some kinds of charges against him.

Was Micon arrested or were charges made? Sounds like the just seized his equipment. Doubt he would be able to sneak out of the USA.

On a side note, we now know why Stealthmunk wiped his Twitter clean on February 11.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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Originally Posted by Forum Wars

Anyone know how he got out of the good ol' USA? How serious were any of the charges against him if they (law enforcement) didn't make him surrender his passport? Usually, that's a requirement along with a heavy bond in cases where law enforcement thinks someone may run. How could they not think he'd be a flight risk (they read his social media)...

Perhaps there was no such stipulations or even a large bond?

Anyways, sounds like a mismatch: 10 agents with guns picking getting him and no passport surrender requirement and free to leave the country less than 10 days later...

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It was a little bit weird, but I think him leaving the country so quickly probably took them by surprise.

They probably planned to seize his equipment, go through everything, and file charges later.

It's very possible that they were looking for evidence that he actually owned part of Seals, rather than just being an employee promoting it. They may not have had enough to charge him prior to the seizures.

He wasn't arrested, so I don't believe they could have legally prevented him from leaving the country without filing some kinds of charges against him.

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Exactly. Given the nature of the alleged crime, I am surprised they didnt charge him. He essentially got a pass as long as he stays abroad. Also this is assuming he actually gets charged. Either way, it was a good play on his part to leave and view everything that happens from a distance.

However, he needs to stop these new videos which are basically taunting the US government. Shut it all down and be happy you made it to the island you are at. Find a new business to get into and lay low.

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Originally Posted by cmoney

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

It was a little bit weird, but I think him leaving the country so quickly probably took them by surprise.

They probably planned to seize his equipment, go through everything, and file charges later.

It's very possible that they were looking for evidence that he actually owned part of Seals, rather than just being an employee promoting it. They may not have had enough to charge him prior to the seizures.

He wasn't arrested, so I don't believe they could have legally prevented him from leaving the country without filing some kinds of charges against him.

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Exactly. Given the nature of the alleged crime, I am surprised they didnt charge him. He essentially got a pass as long as he stays abroad. Also this is assuming he actually gets charged. Either way, it was a good play on his part to leave and view everything that happens from a distance.

However, he needs to stop these new videos which are basically taunting the US government. Shut it all down and be happy you made it to the island you are at. Find a new business to get into and lay low.

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Originally Posted by cmoney

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

It was a little bit weird, but I think him leaving the country so quickly probably took them by surprise.

They probably planned to seize his equipment, go through everything, and file charges later.

It's very possible that they were looking for evidence that he actually owned part of Seals, rather than just being an employee promoting it. They may not have had enough to charge him prior to the seizures.

[B]He wasn't arrested, so I don't believe they could have legally prevented him from leaving the country without filing some kinds of charges against him.

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Exactly. Given the nature of the alleged crime, I am surprised they didnt charge him. He essentially got a pass as long as he stays abroad. Also this is assuming he actually gets charged. Either way, it was a good play on his part to leave and view everything that happens from a distance.

However, he needs to stop these new videos which are basically taunting the US government. Shut it all down and be happy you made it to the island you are at. Find a new business to get into and lay low.

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Yup, think you guys are right. I assumed he was arrested and charged with a crime. If they handcuffed him, that's an arrest, no but I guess they did not charge him with a crime. Weird circumstances, but by leaving he probably didn't do anything illegal. Prolly smart.

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Originally Posted by Forum Wars

Anyone know how he got out of the good ol' USA? How serious were any of the charges against him if they (law enforcement) didn't make him surrender his passport? Usually, that's a requirement along with a heavy bond in cases where law enforcement thinks someone may run. How could they not think he'd be a flight risk (they read his social media)...

Perhaps there was no such stipulations or even a large bond?

Anyways, sounds like a mismatch: 10 agents with guns picking getting him and no passport surrender requirement and free to leave the country less than 10 days later...

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It was a little bit weird, but I think him leaving the country so quickly probably took them by surprise.

They probably planned to seize his equipment, go through everything, and file charges later.

It's very possible that they were looking for evidence that he actually owned part of Seals, rather than just being an employee promoting it. They may not have had enough to charge him prior to the seizures.

He wasn't arrested, so I don't believe they could have legally prevented him from leaving the country without filing some kinds of charges against him.

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This is standard until they can get a judge to sign off on an arrest warrant. And even if they didn't expect him to go to Antigua if they really want him he has done nothing for Antigua for them to advocate for him staying. Never pay a tax, non citizen etc. Its really just procedural probably.

You're just pissed they didn't put him in a smock.

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

You're just pissed they didn't put him in a smock.

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oops sorry, meant to green rep.

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Originally Posted by Reno

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

You're just pissed they didn't put him in a smock.

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oops sorry, meant to green rep.

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Don't fret, there will be many green reps.

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oops sorry, meant to green rep.

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Don't fret, there will be many green reps.

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1017 rep points difference between me and shut up garrett.

micon needed to be smoking his pipe in the storytime video imo

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Originally Posted by phantom

micon needed to be smoking his pipe in the storytime video imo

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Wasn't it good enough that he was backlit like he was in witness protection?

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Don't fret, there will be many green reps.

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1017 rep points difference between me and shut up garrett.

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Dude I am the biggest "loser" on this site, why would you even care?

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micon needed to be smoking his pipe in the storytime video imo

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Wasn't it good enough that he was backlit like he was in witness protection?

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i thought he covered himself in black shoe polish to blend in with the population

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

Wasn't it good enough that he was backlit like he was in witness protection?

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i thought he covered himself in black shoe polish to blend in with the population

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1017 rep points difference between me and shut up garrett.

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Dude I am the biggest "loser" on this site, why would you even care?

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Hang on, I got this..

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Originally Posted by 4Dragons

1017 rep points difference between me and shut up garrett.

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Dude I am the biggest "loser" on this site, why would you even care?

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Dude! Why are you still here? Do you enjoy getting an assfucking on a regular basis? Was your mother on meth when she was carrying you?

Is it possible that they weren't really serious about charging him with anything?

Perhaps these agents were sent at the request of the legal NV sites, who were just looking to take out the competition.

This might explain why they didn't prepare adequately for the possibility of him fleeing the US so quickly.

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Originally Posted by garrett

This is standard until they can get a judge to sign off on an arrest warrant. And even if they didn't expect him to go to Antigua if they really want him he has done nothing for Antigua for them to advocate for him staying. Never pay a tax, non citizen etc. Its really just procedural probably.

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Will be interesting. Sure, Micon ain't done anything for Antigua per se, yet. However, he may be able to get himself made into a "good guy patron saint" in the eyes of Antiguans ---- remember Antigua won that Internet gambling case in their WTO dispute with the US govvy, but the USA chose to ignore the WTO's ruling. Not too sure I see Antigua just cooperating with an extradition request, frankly, just out of Caribbean machismo spite.

Druff's formative years were literally a mix of Cloak and Dagger, War Games, and Gotcha!

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Originally Posted by Shizzmoney

I didn't know that the Nevada Gaming Commission was allowed to carry heat?

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They actually are. When I worked in the biz from 2000-2005, they were a handful of time NGC agents came into casinos to either arrest dealers/staff that were stealing or customers that were cheating. They carried guns on their bodies.

I will have more on all this later.

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Druff's formative years were literally a mix of Cloak and Dagger, War Games, and Gotcha!

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Going with Goonies here.

Won't bore you with my thoughts on a 12 man SWAT team entering Micons house with guns drawn...


But I will bore you with some truths about Antigua


Yes it is a poor country, which inevitably has a level of crime.... but is far from a shithole, and is in fact a major tourist destination for many Europeans... It's also a popular honeymoon escape.


Bit similar to Cancun if you like.

So in the short term I can imagine the Micons will be generally very happy with their lot over there..

But long term I think he/they will suffer quite badly with the limited amount of activities and network of friends that will be on offer... not to mention the lack of family support. Which is something we all take for granted and would miss badly if it suddenly wasn't there at the touch of a button.... Of course they'll still have a level of family support, but won't be anywhere near the same.

The only way they'll keep their sanity is if they have a solid amount of income flowing through their shady bank accounts... they need light at the end of the tunnel allowing them to make longer term plans...


And I don't care what state the extradition treaty is in between both countries.... Things change and Micon will be sleeping with one eye open for the foreseeable future.

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Wow this fucker has some nerve:



What happened to the link to the news story from the casino site that someone posted in this thread? unintentional merge delete?

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I didn't delete any posts. It's possible one accidentally got moved to the other thread that wasn't meant to. If you find it, let me know and I will move it back.

BTW Calvin Ayre doesn't post his own stuff on CalvinAyre.com, nor does he operate his own Twitter.

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Story ranking #2 for bitcoin poker site raided: http://calvinayre.com/2015/02/22/bus...da-regulators/

Check out the photoshop they did:

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This is standard until they can get a judge to sign off on an arrest warrant. And even if they didn't expect him to go to Antigua if they really want him he has done nothing for Antigua for them to advocate for him staying. Never pay a tax, non citizen etc. Its really just procedural probably.

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Will be interesting. Sure, Micon ain't done anything for Antigua per se, yet. However, he may be able to get himself made into a "good guy patron saint" in the eyes of Antiguans ---- remember Antigua won that Internet gambling case in their WTO dispute with the US govvy, but the USA chose to ignore the WTO's ruling. Not too sure I see Antigua just cooperating with an extradition request, frankly, just out of Caribbean machismo spite.

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http://www.mcnabbassociates.com/Anti...d%20States.pdf

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This is standard until they can get a judge to sign off on an arrest warrant. And even if they didn't expect him to go to Antigua if they really want him he has done nothing for Antigua for them to advocate for him staying. Never pay a tax, non citizen etc. Its really just procedural probably.

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Will be interesting. Sure, Micon ain't done anything for Antigua per se, yet. However, he may be able to get himself made into a "good guy patron saint" in the eyes of Antiguans ---- remember Antigua won that Internet gambling case in their WTO dispute with the US govvy, but the USA chose to ignore the WTO's ruling. Not too sure I see Antigua just cooperating with an extradition request, frankly, just out of Caribbean machismo spite.

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I honestly believe bitcoin poker has a place. It doesnt matter if its a guy name huckleberry Finn or Bryan Micon, it has a place in the world we live in today. Having said that we all know unfortunately this world is not so simple. So one cant sit here today and sa we know anything about anything, but if the issues are simply about a bitcoin poker site in the US I think there is a fight to be had here. If its he didn't do his part over the years while living like a millionaire, well then you have to pay the piper.

Bitcoin poker has a place!

Geeps, how's SwCPoker gonna pass these legal hurdles in Antigua...maybe Micon's good for it/has investors?



License Fee:

$15,000 non-refundable application fee.
Interactive gaming license: £100,000.
Interactive wagering license: $75,000 plus $5,000 annual renewal fee.
To have a monitoring system, the fee is $25,000 for one license, $45,000 for two.


Security Requirements/Indemnity for Players Deposits:
Operators must register and verify the identities of players before allowing participation in wagering. Operators are required to provide the name, date of birth and place of residence of registering players and in accordance with privacy laws, player identities must remain confidential.


http://calvinayre.com/online-gaming-...erica/antigua/


Personally see the biggest problem with "no account necessary bitcoin poker" to be Antigua's Security Requirements: Must register and verify identities including name, DOB, address. Good Luck with that Micon.

Hes not incorporating in Antigua, Im guessing.

Some quick thoughts before I go out for the evening.


1) I never called him out on it publicly because I thought it would seem in bad taste considering he was my best friend at one point and with the falling out and all. Micon owned 50% of seals since day 1 (as many of you knew) The chariman, marketing ruse was intended to protect him from exactly what happened on Feb 11th.

2) He offered me a stake in seals (as this was going on during the last year plus of our friendship)

3) He got his ownership by convincing the sole owner that in exchange for half, he would blow up the site with his marketing, celebrity status in vegas etc.

4) Don't remember dollars but I was invited to buy a piece as an investor, not be gifted one. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was a little upwards of 15k

5) I declined. Honestly, not because of the fear of a raid, rather than not thinking it was a good investment

6) Micon loves the wsop. We use to have silly conversations about how much money some one would have to pay him to never be able to come back to the US and play in a WSOP event. It was upwards of 10 million every time the subject was broached.

7) I do truly feel sorry that his little girl had to witness this, but a 2 years old wont remember this and thankfully will not leave permanent trauma.

8) I last saw Micon Feb 3 at the Venetian. I got moved to his table (a new table started right before reg ended). He was in the 1, I was in the 4. We never acknowledged each other nor did at any time we "play at one another"

9) Over the last 5 years, its remarkable the transformation I have seen with Bryan. All this tweeting about a police state, being a jew and tweeting ant-sementic view, and the anti gov propoganda was never part of any implied or stated mindset during the long duration of our friendship. Obv people change. But this was like a total 180.

10) I just posted this as this is truly all I can offer on the subject. Most of the "close mutual friends" we both had, chose to continue their friendship with him (instead of us both). This resulted in a pick him or me dilemma. Anyhow this is all I know or can offer. I truly (and sincerely from my heart) hope that child has a good life. I do truly believe Micon loves her to death and I have been told by others who are close, Martha is a great mother. Def going to be hard going forward.

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Micon said the agents who conducted the raid “made it clear that they were very familiar with my social feeds and my entire output as a journalist.”

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Originally Posted by Forum Wars

Geeps, how's SwCPoker gonna pass these legal hurdles in Antigua...maybe Micon's good for it/has investors?



License Fee:

$15,000 non-refundable application fee.
Interactive gaming license: £100,000.
Interactive wagering license: $75,000 plus $5,000 annual renewal fee.
To have a monitoring system, the fee is $25,000 for one license, $45,000 for two.


Security Requirements/Indemnity for Players Deposits:
Operators must register and verify the identities of players before allowing participation in wagering. Operators are required to provide the name, date of birth and place of residence of registering players and in accordance with privacy laws, player identities must remain confidential.


http://calvinayre.com/online-gaming-...erica/antigua/


Personally see the biggest problem with "no account necessary bitcoin poker" to be Antigua's Security Requirements: Must register and verify identities including name, DOB, address. Good Luck with that Micon.

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he'll prob just run it the same way as he was in vegas... until the antiguan gambling agents show up then skip down to Venezuela

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Won't bore you with my thoughts on a 12 man SWAT team entering Micons house with guns drawn...


But I will bore you with some truths about Antigua


Yes it is a poor country, which inevitably has a level of crime.... but is far from a shithole, and is in fact a major tourist destination for many Europeans... It's also a popular honeymoon escape.


Bit similar to Cancun if you like.

So in the short term I can imagine the Micons will be generally very happy with their lot over there..

But long term I think he/they will suffer quite badly with the limited amount of activities and network of friends that will be on offer... not to mention the lack of family support. Which is something we all take for granted and would miss badly if it suddenly wasn't there at the touch of a button.... Of course they'll still have a level of family support, but won't be anywhere near the same.

The only way they'll keep their sanity is if they have a solid amount of income flowing through their shady bank accounts... they need light at the end of the tunnel allowing them to make longer term plans...


And I don't care what state the extradition treaty is in between both countries.... Things change and Micon will be sleeping with one eye open for the foreseeable future.

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People who live in these places do not reside in the tourist areas. ie, they will be living amongst the ferel n-word beasts.

#seen jacosta


he getsit i root for him because he believes in himself.

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Some quick thoughts before I go out for the evening.


1) I never called him out on it publicly because I thought it would seem in bad taste considering he was my best friend at one point and with the falling out and all. Micon owned 50% of seals since day 1 (as many of you knew) The chariman, marketing ruse was intended to protect him from exactly what happened on Feb 11th.

2) He offered me a stake in seals (as this was going on during the last year plus of our friendship)

3) He got his ownership by convincing the sole owner that in exchange for half, he would blow up the site with his marketing, celebrity status in vegas etc.

4) Don't remember dollars but I was invited to buy a piece as an investor, not be gifted one. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was a little upwards of 15k

5) I declined. Honestly, not because of the fear of a raid, rather than not thinking it was a good investment

6) Micon loves the wsop. We use to have silly conversations about how much money some one would have to pay him to never be able to come back to the US and play in a WSOP event. It was upwards of 10 million every time the subject was broached.

7) I do truly feel sorry that his little girl had to witness this, but a 2 years old wont remember this and thankfully will not leave permanent trauma.

8) I last saw Micon Feb 3 at the Venetian. I got moved to his table (a new table started right before reg ended). He was in the 1, I was in the 4. We never acknowledged each other nor did at any time we "play at one another"

9) Over the last 5 years, its remarkable the transformation I have seen with Bryan. All this tweeting about a police state, being a jew and tweeting ant-sementic view, and the anti gov propoganda was never part of any implied or stated mindset during the long duration of our friendship. Obv people change. But this was like a total 180.

10) I just posted this as this is truly all I can offer on the subject. Most of the "close mutual friends" we both had, chose to continue their friendship with him (instead of us both). This resulted in a pick him or me dilemma. Anyhow this is all I know or can offer. I truly (and sincerely from my heart) hope that child has a good life. I do truly believe Micon loves her to death and I have been told by others who are close, Martha is a great mother. Def going to be hard going forward.

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You must have some kind of idea how much he was making at SWC since he offered you a piece. Or did he not include this info is his business proposition.

poker is historically sordid and dirty. So can you hit it n run. Or get stuck and burn.

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Daaaaaaamn.

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Served with a search warrant from Nevada Gaming at gunpoint, then lead out my front door in nothing but boxers & handcuffs, then they stole most of my electronics. I was not arrested or charged with any crimes.

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The Nevada Gaming Commission has probably been investigating Micon for years.
They will cooperate fully with the FBI and all other federal agencies.

Now that they have Micon's computer equipment, the real investigation begins, which could take a couple more years to produce an indictment.

They will be looking for information on all owners of SealsofClubs, bank transactions, bitcoin transactions, known associates, basically any information related to illegal gaming.

If the FBI decide to charge Micon with wire fraud and money laundering, the money laundering alone carries a minimum sentence of 5 years in prison.

Does federal prison accept Bitcoin?

For some reason, I don't think Micon would do very well in prison.


http://pnimg.net/lrep/1836/40/bf71c097767.jpg

Let's say the bulk of Micon's "wealth" is in bitcoin, which obv it probably is. Can he still access all that in Antigua without any problems? I mean I would almost guarantee any US based accounts were frozen, so all that is probably gone.

Basically, just based on precedent, Micon would be looking at a year in jail and forfeiture of all assets if he contested the charges.

Now if he opens up a site in Antigua, he is basically giving the Feds the finger at that point, and they would be much less sympathetic and the penalties would likely be 3-5 years in jail.

He is basically saying he never wants to return to the US. I am sure his in-laws are literally puking right now. I am sure they probably always scratched their head why their daughter threw away a law career to shack up with an unemployed grifter in Las Vegas. But now it's a third world country.

It will be interesting to see how much they like the beach a year from now.

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Originally Posted by Drexel

Some quick thoughts before I go out for the evening.


1) I never called him out on it publicly because I thought it would seem in bad taste considering he was my best friend at one point and with the falling out and all. Micon owned 50% of seals since day 1 (as many of you knew) The chariman, marketing ruse was intended to protect him from exactly what happened on Feb 11th.

2) He offered me a stake in seals (as this was going on during the last year plus of our friendship)

3) He got his ownership by convincing the sole owner that in exchange for half, he would blow up the site with his marketing, celebrity status in vegas etc.

4) Don't remember dollars but I was invited to buy a piece as an investor, not be gifted one. I don't remember the exact numbers but it was a little upwards of 15k

5) I declined. Honestly, not because of the fear of a raid, rather than not thinking it was a good investment

6) Micon loves the wsop. We use to have silly conversations about how much money some one would have to pay him to never be able to come back to the US and play in a WSOP event. It was upwards of 10 million every time the subject was broached.

7) I do truly feel sorry that his little girl had to witness this, but a 2 years old wont remember this and thankfully will not leave permanent trauma.

8) I last saw Micon Feb 3 at the Venetian. I got moved to his table (a new table started right before reg ended). He was in the 1, I was in the 4. We never acknowledged each other nor did at any time we "play at one another"

9) Over the last 5 years, its remarkable the transformation I have seen with Bryan. All this tweeting about a police state, being a jew and tweeting ant-sementic view, and the anti gov propoganda was never part of any implied or stated mindset during the long duration of our friendship. Obv people change. But this was like a total 180.

10) I just posted this as this is truly all I can offer on the subject. Most of the "close mutual friends" we both had, chose to continue their friendship with him (instead of us both). This resulted in a pick him or me dilemma. Anyhow this is all I know or can offer. I truly (and sincerely from my heart) hope that child has a good life. I do truly believe Micon loves her to death and I have been told by others who are close, Martha is a great mother. Def going to be hard going forward.

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You must have some kind of idea how much he was making at SWC since he offered you a piece. Or did he not include this info is his business proposition.

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When seals got started there was minimal and I mean minimal traffic. It didn't get bigger until after our friendship ended. It took well over 18 months to start deriving any kind of menial to decent cash flow. I was long gone.

I do know ( as a close friend told me) that during this past wsop, micon sat down at a 50-100 stud game. My friend told me he pulled out over 100k in chips and placed them in his stack, as to taunt her, knowing she didn't have anywhere near that kind of money.

Was all the money his? Was it the 70% he sold? No idea. But that is the only insight I have into anything regarding his financials.

I talk to a couple of mutual friends we both have...(No not Schoenfeld....lol...after being a good friend and DOING A LOT FOR HIM, after the what went down, he dropped me like I was a piece of shit, never to be heard from again. But I dont think that was because of Micon as much as it was his constant infatuation for Martha since day 1.

Going to dinner. GS all


ZOD


edit: when i mentioned that we have 2-3 mutual friends left, my point was I never asked regarding Micon, his finances etc and they never offered.