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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
sah_24: So then they use pistols and hunting rifles then you will want them banned ... you and jimmy are retarded like all liberals
sah you bloviating, blustering buffoon what are you fucking new?
I was prepared to expound on my previous post but I'm pretty sure I'd be wasting my breath.
Better luck with reading comprehension next time.
again, this is the crux of the debate.
do you want sah_408 to have access to military hardware?
This is why you see threads like Mr. Tickle's U.S.A. stupidest country thread. Racism, which is deep seated and wide spread in your country is based on ignorance and fear. The constitutional right to bear arms is not being threatened by this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI’m not dying on any hill, as I said before I’m not a gun owner. But there are millions of people that are willing to die on that hill because their position is if we let the government take away one constitutional right that will only be the beginning. If only a few people felt that way they could be disregarded in this discussion but they number in the millions. Whether their concern is justified or not is a different discussion but the threat of many of those people becoming extremists to protect their constitutional rights is very real.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons
There it is in green and white. The AR15 is a dangerous weapon and should be highly restricted
I can agree and disagree . I can only speak for Veterans of this country as far as mental health goes. I am friends with many vets in my local community. A majority suffer from PTSD . While they are definitely 100% Bat shit crazy they often are more prone to taking there own lives than anyone elses. The VA pumps these guys full of all kinds of mind altering drugs to keep them mostly sedated. It's a conflicting problem because many of them will turn to alcohol and stop taking the meds. This is when they get violent .Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
I've been to many bars to rescue a vet in need before things escalate to violence. I'm on a call list. Living in a tourist town where the main focus is on bars we have our share of fights.
For the most part a veteran can usually talk another veteran off the ledge with some military lingo and reasoning . Not saying this happens all the time but a higher percentage is safe to say.
Veterans mental health is a tricky problem . Now the general publics mental health is a fucking shit storm waiting to happen .
I'm sure the NRA support a bill that eliminates all background checks so anyone can obtain a firearm.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
The Million Gun Freedom March?
When will all the gun nuts would take their guns and march to the Capitol in Washington, DC and the White House?
If that happens you will see the DC Capitol police and US Secret Service kill a lot of people and the media will cover it live on TV.
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/201...b-s800-c85.jpg
https://www.realtimetrump.com/wp-con...trump-gun4.jpgQuote:
Roughly 9 in 10 Americans support background checks for all gun purchases — including more than 8 in 10 Republicans, Democrats and independents, according to polls.
After the deadly Parkland, Fla., shooting in February 2018, the president expressed support for background checks and greater police power to seize guns from mentally disturbed people. But amid resistance from the NRA and Republicans, he abandoned the ideas.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
a joke about students in red-states failing to understand their curriculum is perhaps a bit on the nose.
get that honky shit out of my thread.
if this is real, that guy might have singlehandedly altered gun laws in this country. if another mass shooting happened today, trump would have been pressured into taking some sort of executive actionQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
also a good example of: 1) a guy not needing more than a pistol to protect himself; and 2) semi-auto rifles are purely for killing people military style
Handgun and a shotgun is all anybody needs for self defense. And a traditional bolt action hunting rifle for bigger game if you insist on hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeif this is real, that guy might have singlehandedly altered gun laws in this country. if another mass shooting happened today, trump would have been pressured into taking some sort of executive actionQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
also a good example of: 1) a guy not needing more than a pistol to protect himself; and 2) semi-auto rifles are purely for killing people military style
Common sense laws. If you live in area with plenty of wild pigs or other vermin sure an AR might be reasonable. Wolves and coyotes... even small bears.
AR'S in the suburbs is not needed. Handguns and a pump action is already overkill.
If you need an arsenal to protect yourself from tyranny. You probably deserve to meet a Cyborg.
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Originally Posted by blakeif this is real, that guy might have singlehandedly altered gun laws in this country. if another mass shooting happened today, trump would have been pressured into taking some sort of executive actionQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
is this a good thing? the next 30 mass murders wont have an off duty fireman somehow get the drop on shit.
I’m gonna go out on a limb that the guy that stopped this from happening was ex military or was very familiar with firearms. It in no way proves that the average citizen could have done the same thing with a hand gun. Funny, I was watching CNN when this story broke. They didn’t say one word about an armed citizen stopping this attack. They just simply said he was in police custody. CNN and FOX are huge jokes, they operate in the exact same manner but just have opposite political views.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeif this is real, that guy might have singlehandedly altered gun laws in this country. if another mass shooting happened today, trump would have been pressured into taking some sort of executive actionQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
also a good example of: 1) a guy not needing more than a pistol to protect himself; and 2) semi-auto rifles are purely for killing people military style
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Originally Posted by nightmarefishI’m gonna go out on a limp that the guy that stopped this from happening was ex military or was very familiar with firearms. It in no way proves that the average citizen could have done the same thing with a hand gun. Funny, I was watching CNN when this story broke. They didn’t say one word about an armed citizen stopping this attack. They just simply said he was in police custody. CNN and FOX are huge jokes, they operate in the exact same manner but just have opposite political views.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
so, you might be thinking of the OTHER shooting that was averted today;
https://www.facebook.com/Casa-Carmel...0954560249214/
Agreed. And go with a .357 Magnum revolver for self-defense handgun, as they are most reliable, small enough caliber that most people can comfortably shoot them, and has enough stopping power to put most threats down with one shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusHandgun and a shotgun is all anybody needs for self defense. And a traditional bolt action hunting rifle for bigger game if you insist on hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Common sense laws. If you live in area with plenty of wild pigs or other vermin sure an AR might be reasonable. Wolves and coyotes... even small bears.
AR'S in the suburbs is not needed. Handguns and a pump action is already overkill.
If you need an arsenal to protect yourself from tyranny. You probably deserve to meet a Cyborg.
https://youtu.be/CD2t_qG9dls
A few things. First of all I want this guy cloned and working every WalMart front door.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyAgreed. And go with a .357 Magnum revolver for self-defense handgun, as they are most reliable, small enough caliber that most people can comfortably shoot them, and has enough stopping power to put most threats down with one shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
https://youtu.be/CD2t_qG9dls
Secondly he reminds me of falling asleep in many a high school class(start by shooting pumpkins)
Thirdly I want a gun
oh yeah how dumb are deer? and who's shooting back?
If my home is invaded, the cops ain’t coming for 30 minutes, if I’m lucky. I have shotguns, but in a closed environment like my home, the baseball bat under my bed would be my go to weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusHandgun and a shotgun is all anybody needs for self defense. And a traditional bolt action hunting rifle for bigger game if you insist on hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Common sense laws. If you live in area with plenty of wild pigs or other vermin sure an AR might be reasonable. Wolves and coyotes... even small bears.
AR'S in the suburbs is not needed. Handguns and a pump action is already overkill.
If you need an arsenal to protect yourself from tyranny. You probably deserve to meet a Cyborg.
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Originally Posted by nightmarefish
cops arent civilians, they have training and in theory are held to a higher standard.
this is why there are enhanced penalties on the rare occasions when they are held accountable.
please do better than this.
What enhanced penalties do you speak of?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
cops arent civilians, they have training and in theory are held to a higher standard.
this is why there are enhanced penalties on the rare occasions when they are held accountable.
please do better than this.
Everyone is held to the same standard when it comes to shooting someone else, no?
I just started checking out the forum again? Where’s Druff?
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Originally Posted by nightmarefishWhat enhanced penalties do you speak of?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Everyone is held to the same standard when it comes to shooting someone else, no?
I just started checking out the forum again? Where’s Druff?
im not going to google it because im on enough lists but a cop using a firearm in furtherance of a felony is judged more harshly in the eyes of the law than a civilian.
caveat im not a lawyer, if someone with experience said that isnt exactly how it works i wouldnt argue.
I would think murder is murder no matter who committed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
im not going to google it because im on enough lists but a cop using a firearm in furtherance of a felony is judged more harshly in the eyes of the law than a civilian.
caveat im not a lawyer, if someone with experience said that isnt exactly how it works i wouldnt argue.
More importantly, where’s Druff? He doesn’t participate in the forum anymore?
What the fuck is wrong with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
This is ridiculous thinking. Suggesting the type of weapon used is not the problem
or at least a problem?
A large number of mass murders committed recently have one thing in common
A specific weapon readily obtained.
Just fuck off with your stupid one liners....we all get it.
Weapons designed for easy kill provide easy kills
Deflecting the truth is what makes you an idiot.
Notice I did not say you're an idiot without reason.
Just saw this.....gun related deaths in the Useless of A compared to the world
Supid, stupid, stupid, stupid idiots
why the fuck do you bitch and moan about yanks killing mostly other yanks. consecutively with bitching and moaning about stupid idiots in useless of a. where do you think all us idiots will head to when global warming gets serious? the real PNW.
you got any empathy for the 13 dead souls snuffed under a landslide in Myanmar today?
Because you're number one....you're number one, you're number one.Quote:
Originally Posted by cleatus
Do you know how many times people form other countries have heard that bullshit?
So as number one you can and should expect a number of eyes on you as to why you're number
one. Is it the colour of your skin? Do you eat better foods? What is it that makes you
number one? Well the sad truth is your global position as number one is mostly fluke.
You are number one on the ignorance scale for much of what I've said, despite unsurpassed wealth
as a nation. You're also number one in racism and certainly number one at profitting
from sitting out two World Wars.
Fuck you imbecile
You fucking moron.......news is news when it's in your back yard. And you
mouth breathing faggots happen to be in my back yard and you also
have stumbled into the position of number one......number one morons
If protecting my home and self was my concern. You can't really beat a pump action shotgun with a short barrel. The right shells will virtually take an intruders head off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyAgreed. And go with a .357 Magnum revolver for self-defense handgun, as they are most reliable, small enough caliber that most people can comfortably shoot them, and has enough stopping power to put most threats down with one shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
https://youtu.be/CD2t_qG9dls
Shotgun as primary and a Glock with plenty of rounds if you need to go to a secondary. If I've exhausted the shotgun the intruder is likely to be seriously wounded, I'd take extra rounds over stopping power at this stage.
AR would be crap inside a home. And could injure family members or next door neighbours after penetrating doors and walls.
I have a question for you that is very important to know the answer to understand where people who defend the second amendment are coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesWhat the fuck is wrong with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
This is ridiculous thinking. Suggesting the type of weapon used is not the problem
or at least a problem?
A large number of mass murders committed recently have one thing in common
A specific weapon readily obtained.
Just fuck off with your stupid one liners....we all get it.
Weapons designed for easy kill provide easy kills
Deflecting the truth is what makes you an idiot.
Notice I did not say you're an idiot without reason.
Just saw this.....gun related deaths in the Useless of A compared to the world
Supid, stupid, stupid, stupid idiots
Let’s say tomorrow we ban all semi automatic guns and put into place the most strict background checks possible and mass shooting continue at the same pace (which is highly likely in my opinion) as they’re going right now. What do you think politicians will talk about is the next step?
First of all get the physics correct. Are you trying to tell me the numberQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI have a question for you that is very important to know the answer to understand where people who defend the second amendment are coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
What the fuck is wrong with you?
This is ridiculous thinking. Suggesting the type of weapon used is not the problem
or at least a problem?
A large number of mass murders committed recently have one thing in common
A specific weapon readily obtained.
Just fuck off with your stupid one liners....we all get it.
Weapons designed for easy kill provide easy kills
Deflecting the truth is what makes you an idiot.
Notice I did not say you're an idiot without reason.
Just saw this.....gun related deaths in the Useless of A compared to the world
Supid, stupid, stupid, stupid idiots
Let’s say tomorrow we ban all semi automatic guns and put into place the most strict background checks possible and mass shooting continue at the same pace (which is highly likely in my opinion) as they’re going right now. What do you think politicians will talk about is the next step?
of kills per minute are not that different with an auto/semi-automatic weapon vs. the rest.
Automatic weapons have long been banned from public use, for good reason.
The fact that someone paid someone to infer semi-automatic is not near
the same threat is a bloody joke
After all this you still don’t understand where I’m coming from? Of course they’re more deadly but that doesn’t mean banning them and getting law abiding citizens to turn their guns in will reduce mass murders committed by crazy people. Did you avoid my previous question on purpose or was it an oversight?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesFirst of all get the physics correct. Are you trying to tell me the numberQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
of kills per minute are not that different with an auto/semi-automatic weapon vs. the rest.
Automatic weapons have long been banned from public use, for good reason.
The fact that someone paid someone to infer semi-automatic is not near
the same threat is a bloody joke
Even if they do continue at the same rate, which I strongly doubt. You'd have lower gross kills without cheap readily available semi autos.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishI have a question for you that is very important to know the answer to understand where people who defend the second amendment are coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
What the fuck is wrong with you?
This is ridiculous thinking. Suggesting the type of weapon used is not the problem
or at least a problem?
A large number of mass murders committed recently have one thing in common
A specific weapon readily obtained.
Just fuck off with your stupid one liners....we all get it.
Weapons designed for easy kill provide easy kills
Deflecting the truth is what makes you an idiot.
Notice I did not say you're an idiot without reason.
Just saw this.....gun related deaths in the Useless of A compared to the world
Supid, stupid, stupid, stupid idiots
Let’s say tomorrow we ban all semi automatic guns and put into place the most strict background checks possible and mass shooting continue at the same pace (which is highly likely in my opinion) as they’re going right now. What do you think politicians will talk about is the next step?
Also LE and armed civillians would be much more willing to take on shooters who didn't have them.
Hard to argue...it's not a bad idea.
I get it. Making them difficult to purchase, notice...didn't say impossible, just difficult to purchase would have no effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishAfter all this you still don’t understand where I’m coming from? Of course they’re more deadly but that doesn’t mean banning them and getting law abiding citizens to turn their guns in will reduce mass murders committed by crazy people. Did you avoid my previous question on purpose or was it an oversight?Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
How do you know? Have you tried that option? What easier option is there?
And as I asked you what is a common thread amongst all these mass shooters?
The weapon of choice
How does taking guns away from law abiding citizens keep guns out of the hands of crazy people? You know what happens when we make something illegal in the USA? Business gets a nice uptick smuggling whatever it is over the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusEven if they do continue at the same rate, which I strongly doubt. You'd have lower gross kills without cheap readily available semi autos.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
Also LE and armed civillians would be much more willing to take on shooters who didn't have them.
Hard to argue it's not a bad idea.
But I’ll play ball. Say they’re made illegal, how you plan on claiming these guns?
Agree, you're a fucking idiot using the same old stupid fucking argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishHow does taking guns away from law abiding citizens keep guns out of the hands of crazy people? You know what happens when we make something illegal in the USA? Business gets a nice uptick smuggling whatever it is over the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
But I’ll play ball. Say they’re made illegal, how you plan on claiming these guns?
You’re still not seeing where defenders of the second amendment are coming from. Eventually that road leads to banning all guns when nothing else has an impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitlesI get it. Making them difficult to purchase, notice...didn't say impossible, just difficult to purchase would have no effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
How do you know? Have you tried that option? What easier option is there?
And as I asked you what is a common thread amongst all these mass shooters?
The weapon of choice
So instead of thinking and debating your logic you would rather get emotional and combative. Shocking behavior for a liberal, Ive never seen that before.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusAgree, you're a fucking idiot using the same old stupid fucking argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish
As an example i don't think you can buy an automatic rifle of any type if you're joe civilian.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishHow does taking guns away from law abiding citizens keep guns out of the hands of crazy people? You know what happens when we make something illegal in the USA? Business gets a nice uptick smuggling whatever it is over the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
But I’ll play ball. Say they’re made illegal, how you plan on claiming these guns?
That has been deemed dangerous.
So from not moving your finger to moving it as fast as you can seperates legal from illegal.
End result to WalMart shopper?....nada.
So let the organized crime world do what they do. They typically don't see a profit
in shooting up Walmarts. That does not include disgruntled
20 year old psycho copy cat freaks with no lives.
I've never said take the guns away from Joe. It's this particular version that
is reaking havoc.
the public isn't close to being in favor of banning all guns. i know this isn't your point, but just wanted to add that this is like a 90-10 issue. virtually no one's in favor of a total gun banQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefishYou’re still not seeing where defenders of the second amendment are coming from. Eventually that road leads to banning all guns when nothing else has an impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
I agree with you but that is what the die hards are afraid of, and there’s millions of them. And they have a point, a believe something like 90% of the murders in this country are from hand guns, why wouldn’t the road lead to eventually taking them away?Quote:
Originally Posted by blakethe public isn't close to being in favor of banning all guns. i know this isn't your point, but just wanted to add that this is like a 90-10 issue. virtually no one's in favor of a total gun banQuote:
Originally Posted by nightmarefish