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Kawhi Leonard will cost heavy. C’s have endless young talent but there must be promises made not a rental

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that's where my conversation started with my buddy...if you have to give up brown or tatum to get kawhi which one do you give up?

that whole spurs/kawhi thing is really fucked up...just don't get it...the most drama free organization in sports is having an issue with the quietest NBA star in recent memory...

that being said if danny can do his danny thing and get kawhi in green next year I will be doing back flips...

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In a Bill Simmons podcast he pointed out this is not the case at all, but the Spurs and their media did a very good job of keeping drama in house and suppressed. Simmons brought up a couple incidents indicating disfunction that would have been a very big deal if they had happened elsewhere. They include a weird cheating love triangle involving Brent Barry's wife and one of the other players (I don't even remember who) and Tim Duncan's very messy divorce from his cheating wife.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I don't know if teams should commit big to Kawhi at this point.

This past season was beyond weird.

What started out as a seemingly moderate injury ended up dragging through the year. Popovich got pissed off and thought Leonard wasn't thinking of the team, but instead was being overly cautious for his own future. When Leonard did play, he was ineffective.

I don't recall ever seeing a situation like this in the NBA.

I just kind of think this might have taken the edge away from Leonard. Like we're going to see a player who is either consistently hurting, injury prone, or overly cautious.

Sometimes all it takes is one bad injury experience to ruin a very promising athlete's career.

I'm not saying Kawhi is done, but I also wouldn't want to build a franchise around him at this point.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/r...-a-tim-duncan/

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/g...and-the-spurs/

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Assuming he doesn't have a serious health issue, I think he will be fine once he gets payed.

Seems this might be a response to how Isiah Thomas was handled, where he basically doesn't want to play at all coming into a monster contract before he gets said contract. Hard to blame him after what happened with Thomas.

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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis

that's where my conversation started with my buddy...if you have to give up brown or tatum to get kawhi which one do you give up?

that whole spurs/kawhi thing is really fucked up...just don't get it...the most drama free organization in sports is having an issue with the quietest NBA star in recent memory...

that being said if danny can do his danny thing and get kawhi in green next year I will be doing back flips...

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In a Bill Simmons podcast he pointed out this is not the case at all, but the Spurs and their media did a very good job of keeping drama in house and suppressed. Simmons brought up a couple incidents indicating disfunction that would have been a very big deal if they had happened elsewhere. They include a weird cheating love triangle involving Brent Barry's wife and one of the other players (I don't even remember who) and Tim Duncan's very messy divorce from his cheating wife.

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Duncan seems like a good enough dude, feel sorry for him...wasn't she fucking her personal trainer or something like that?

Fwiw i dont think brown or tatum are on the table for kawhi. Ditto anyone not named lebron Steph or KD. Theyre that good, ainge loves them that much and kawhis situation is weird.

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Originally Posted by varys

Fwiw i dont think brown or tatum are on the table for kawhi. Ditto anyone not named lebron Steph or KD. Theyre that good, ainge loves them that much and kawhis situation is weird.

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I wouldn't put it past danny to do that kinda trade if he could get kawhi on the cheap so to speak (and he thought that kahwi was healthy)...

Attended game tonight.

Lebron.


That’s all that needs to be said.

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Originally Posted by BCR

Attended game tonight.

Lebron.


That’s all that needs to be said.

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End of that game was real weird. When the score was tied and Thad Young stripped the ball from Lebron it looked like it actually hit the line before it hit his elbow and went out of bounds. I thought it weird they didn't review that or make a big deal on the telecast. They showed one replay in real time that was inconclusive and then just moved on real quick. Same thing with Lebron's block. They never really addressed whether it was a goal tend or not, they just moved on quickly.

Great shot at the end either way, but it was real weird how the refs pushed the game along without reviewing those crucial plays and the broadcast just moved along too.

Maybe Toronto is just destined to choke in the playoffs.

All I know is that, if I had gotten down that +1600 bet on them being Eastern Conf champs like I wanted in the early season, I'd be really frustrated tonight.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Maybe Toronto is just destined to choke in the playoffs.

All I know is that, if I had gotten down that +1600 bet on them being Eastern Conf champs like I wanted in the early season, I'd be really frustrated tonight.

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Yeah, they’re fucked now. That’s as bad a game as they’ll get out of Lebron. 1/6 from FT line. 1/8 from 3. No legs after that game 7. 30 shots and <30 points for only the 3rd time in his career. Losing a home playoff game LBJ and Love shoot 15/43 is unreal. While JR and Jeff Green will regress from their game 1 stats, they’re still fucked. When your two stars are a mid-range jump shooter and a 6ft PG who disappears in crunch time, you’re not getting to the finals. I actually think they’re 4th out of the remaining 4 Eastern Conference teams to make the finals. Just a regular season group of chokers who shrink come playoff time every year. I think they’ll be out in 5 games now.

Really pissed at not getting down on Cavs +190 for series. It felt like a trap series line. This is the worst Cavs team since Lebron has returned, but it felt a lot like last year where the Cavs swept the Pacers, but only were +16 in the 4 games. They match up against the Cavs much better than the Raptors. If Boston can somehow beat the Sixers, the Cavs will likely make the finals again, but they’re going to get swept hard by the Warriors if they make it.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Maybe Toronto is just destined to choke in the playoffs.

All I know is that, if I had gotten down that +1600 bet on them being Eastern Conf champs like I wanted in the early season, I'd be really frustrated tonight.

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Yeah, they’re fucked now. That’s as bad a game as they’ll get out of Lebron. 1/6 from FT line. 1/8 from 3. No legs after that game 7. 30 shots and <30 points for only the 3rd time in his career. Losing a home playoff game LBJ and Love shoot 15/43 is unreal. While JR and Jeff Green will regress from their game 1 stats, they’re still fucked. When your two stars are a mid-range jump shooter and a 6ft PG who disappears in crunch time, you’re not getting to the finals. I actually think they’re 4th out of the remaining 4 Eastern Conference teams to make the finals. Just a regular season group of chokers who shrink come playoff time every year. I think they’ll be out in 5 games now.

Really pissed at not getting down on Cavs +190 for series. It felt like a trap series line. This is the worst Cavs team since Lebron has returned, but it felt a lot like last year where the Cavs swept the Pacers, but only were +16 in the 4 games. They match up against the Cavs much better than the Raptors. If Boston can somehow beat the Sixers, the Cavs will likely make the finals again, but they’re going to get swept hard by the Warriors if they make it.

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I wouldn't write off the Raptors just yet. I'm completely devastated they blew game 1 but it isn't over yet.

My problem is you don't give the last second shot to VanVleet. I love the guy but he just came back from injury. Lowry/Derozan have to drive to the basket get the foul call and go to the line down 1 point.

I think they will win game 2 by 10+ points with Lebron sitting on the bench in the 4th.

Rockets vs Jazz Over 206

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Maybe Toronto is just destined to choke in the playoffs.

All I know is that, if I had gotten down that +1600 bet on them being Eastern Conf champs like I wanted in the early season, I'd be really frustrated tonight.

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I think they were slight favorites before this series started, which seems ridiculous but shows how brutal the Cavs are.

Lebron is god but this Cavs team is so brutal to watch.

Would be an absolute joke (and amazing) if Cavs made the finals this year.

After watching how effective TT was with his clutch offensive rebounding in Game 1, I wonder again whether the current trend of teams getting back in transition and not even trying to get O rebounds is optimal.

Obviously if you don't have any good offensive rebounders on your team it probably is optimal to not even try, but if you have a big guy or two that is good at it it might be a strategy that teams should utilize more.

Lol i legit didnt see bcr’s rep. I couldve sworn i saw the 160 but i could be wrong and whofuckincares anyway.

538 had houston as 53% to win it all before game 1 of this series. Even at the time i thought this was ridiculous.

I dont think anyone is getting past game 6 vs a healthy golden st.

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Lol i legit didnt see bcr’s rep. I couldve sworn i saw the 160 but i could be wrong and whofuckincares anyway.

538 had houston as 53% to win it all before game 1 of this series. Even at the time i thought this was ridiculous.

I dont think anyone is getting past game 6 vs a healthy golden st.

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This is what I saw originally

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I think they were slight favorites before this series started, which seems ridiculous but shows how brutal the Cavs are.

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BCR, I embedded the tweet for you.

FYI here's a tutorial I wrote in 2015 on how to do it: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...r-posts-at-PFA

LOL at this fucking sad Toronto squad. Its not even like the cavs are doing anything special. Theyre giving away all kinds of good looks that the raps cant capitalize on and 70% of clevelands possessions are lebron backing down OG or siaka and sinking some ridic fadeaway.

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I hope my team doesnt sign that guy to a max contract this summer. He looks like he could easily slow down some in 5 years.

It is crunch time in 4th Q and Philadelphia is running a lineup with 4 unathletic white guys. Did the NBA just go back 60 years?

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It is crunch time in 4th Q and Philadelphia is running a lineup with 4 unathletic white guys. Did the NBA just go back 60 years?

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Rozier is so damn fun to watch. Hes playing out of his mind. Id say the same for smart if he never touched the ball. What the fuck makes him think he has any business shooting all those 3s?

Smart is shooting better than everyone on Philly down the stretch. Not to say he is shooting good, but they are all so shook and shooting bad.

stevens is fucking god...

terry rozier is the perfect compliment to a tatum/brown/horford/kyrie/Gordon...

Nice to see Boston winning. Didn’t want any part of this Sixers team in ECF. Stevens is a warlock, so I’ll still be nervous, but I don’t like the way Cleveland matches up against Philly at all.


Happy for Rozier. He was born in my town, but his old man was a banger and got sent to prison and they were threatening to kill Rozier Jr when he was like 6, so his mom sent him to Cleveland. You know you had a shit childhood when they send you to Cleveland for safety purposes.

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Nice to see Boston winning. Didn’t want any part of this Sixers team in ECF. Stevens is a warlock, so I’ll still be nervous, but I don’t like the way Cleveland matches up against Philly at all.


Happy for Rozier. He was born in my town, but his old man was a banger and got sent to prison and they were threatening to kill Rozier Jr when he was like 6, so his mom sent him to Cleveland. You know you had a shit childhood when they send you to Cleveland for safety purposes.

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wow that's some sick shit on rozier...trying to think of a comp for him...like he's probably never gonna be an all-star, but he's too good to be considered a role player...

I think stevens will have a scheme in place to contain the lebronettes if boston gets there...think that's what he's doing against philly...let embiid get his, but fuck if he's gonna let Reddick go off for like 8 3s...

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Nice to see Boston winning. Didn’t want any part of this Sixers team in ECF. Stevens is a warlock, so I’ll still be nervous, but I don’t like the way Cleveland matches up against Philly at all.


Happy for Rozier. He was born in my town, but his old man was a banger and got sent to prison and they were threatening to kill Rozier Jr when he was like 6, so his mom sent him to Cleveland. You know you had a shit childhood when they send you to Cleveland for safety purposes.

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The cavs might be in trouble regardless of who they get. Smart and brown are gonna play much tougher D on lebron than anyone toronto has thrown at him.

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Nice to see Boston winning. Didn’t want any part of this Sixers team in ECF. Stevens is a warlock, so I’ll still be nervous, but I don’t like the way Cleveland matches up against Philly at all.


Happy for Rozier. He was born in my town, but his old man was a banger and got sent to prison and they were threatening to kill Rozier Jr when he was like 6, so his mom sent him to Cleveland. You know you had a shit childhood when they send you to Cleveland for safety purposes.

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The cavs might be in trouble regardless of who they get. Smart and brown are gonna play much tougher D on lebron than anyone toronto has thrown at him.

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100% agree on smart, however I worry that LeBron would wear him down just because of the size difference...smart wont give up easily, but it would be a helluva tough ask...

Boston definitely has a huge advantage in coaching and overall personnel but its been a few years since weve seen anything trump the lebron factor in the east.

We’ll see. The Cavs are worse and the Celtics are better than last year, but they still had to go 7 against the Bucks and it isn’t like Stevens wasn’t the coach last year when they were the 1 seed and lost at home 130-86. They’re going to be world beaters in a year or two, and Stevens is a genius, but Love always plays well against Boston and Lebron is Lebron.

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We’ll see. The Cavs are worse and the Celtics are better than last year, but they still had to go 7 against the Bucks and it isn’t like Stevens wasn’t the coach last year when they were the 1 seed and lost at home 130-86. They’re going to be world beaters in a year or two, and Stevens is a genius, but Love always plays well against Boston and Lebron is Lebron.

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I agree with you and varys the LeBron factor is huge, he's obviously gonna be leaps and bounds better than anybody on the court...

not saying the Cs would beat the cavs, but this team is a helluva lot better than the one they trotted out last year...they aren't relying on a 5'8 guard who plays negative D to be their go to guy (IMO this is the largest difference)...brown is a year more experienced and a helluva lot better than last year and they added rozier/tatum and horford seems to have found the fountain of youth in these playoffs...the Cs would be a helluva lot tougher out than last year...

EDIT: it would really surprise me if Cs/Cavs didn't go at least 6 this year...

I was listening to some podcast earlier this week. Probably the Ringer NBA show(which is quite poor), and they were talking about how the Celtics were kind of like the Spurs at this point where you don’t know if the players are good, or products of Stevens system. It’s a nice dilemma for Celtics fans as Stevens is coaching guys up to such a degree where if you need to move one, they’ll have a ton of trade value, but are likely to way underperform at the next destination. It’s kind of small sample size at this point, but I’m shocked at the performances he’s getting out of some of his players who don’t project to be this good, or this good quickly.

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I was listening to some podcast earlier this week. Probably the Ringer NBA show(which is quite poor), and they were talking about how the Celtics were kind of like the Spurs at this point where you don’t know if the players are good, or products of Stevens system. It’s a nice dilemma for Celtics fans as Stevens is coaching guys up to such a degree where if you need to move one, they’ll have a ton of trade value, but are likely to way underperform at the next destination. It’s kind of small sample size at this point, but I’m shocked at the performances he’s getting out of some of his players who don’t project to be this good, or this good quickly.

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yeah Kenny was talking about that on inside the nba about how it's just next man up and the Celtics are still getting the same performance from the next guy as they did from the guy in front of him...id lean towards this being more coaching than player, but don't want to totally discredit the guys who are actually putting up the numbers...but then again what the hell did avery Bradley do for the pistons this year? didn't follow them/him at all, but didn't really hear talk of him and he was awesome for the Celtics who was supposed to command a 15M/year salary...

its gonna get to a point where the Celtics are gonna have to trade some of these pieces...I don't think they can afford kyrie/Gordon/tatum/brown/smart/rozier...I think danny is gonna flip some of those pieces and get a really nice haul for them...

i'm officially napping this out cause of sixer embarrassment

I think it's just in the Raptors' head at this point that they aren't ever going to beat Lebron in the postseason.

I really thought this year was going to be different.

The Cavs were more dysfunctional than ever, and the Raptors just looked so incredibly solid for most of the first half of the season.

I rarely saw the Raptors have a bad game in the first half. Whey they lost, they kept it competitive. When they were the favorite, they decisively won, including on the road. They won a lot of games as the underdog. I just never saw them look bad. Rarely did I say, "Boy, the Raptors just didn't have it tonight", and that was something I hadn't seen in any other year of the franchise. Early in the season, I wanted to throw $1k on them at 16-1 to win the East (which I've mentioned countless times), but didn't because people on this forum mocked me for it.

During the second half, they weren't quite as consistent, and they did have some bad games, but not many. For the most part, I was still impressed, and thought that this team would be different. I thought that, at the very least, they had enough to beat the dysfunctional Cavs and the banged-up Celtics.

Apparently not.

Actually sucks for them that they got stuck facing Lebron in the 2nd round, as different conference standings could have seen them playing someone else this round, and maybe they would have gotten lucky and seen the Cavs lose this round to another team.

But I think it's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.

Maybe they'll finally win the East next year if the team remains intact and Lebron skips out west.

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I think it's just in the Raptors' head at this point that they aren't ever going to beat Lebron in the postseason.

I really thought this year was going to be different.

The Cavs were more dysfunctional than ever, and the Raptors just looked so incredibly solid for most of the first half of the season.

I rarely saw the Raptors have a bad game in the first half. Whey they lost, they kept it competitive. When they were the favorite, they decisively won, including on the road. They won a lot of games as the underdog. I just never saw them look bad. Rarely did I say, "Boy, the Raptors just didn't have it tonight", and that was something I hadn't seen in any other year of the franchise. Early in the season, I wanted to throw $1k on them at 16-1 to win the East (which I've mentioned countless times), but didn't because people on this forum mocked me for it.

During the second half, they weren't quite as consistent, and they did have some bad games, but not many. For the most part, I was still impressed, and thought that this team would be different. I thought that, at the very least, they had enough to beat the dysfunctional Cavs and the banged-up Celtics.

Apparently not.

Actually sucks for them that they got stuck facing Lebron in the 2nd round, as different conference standings could have seen them playing someone else this round, and maybe they would have gotten lucky and seen the Cavs lose this round to another team.

But I think it's a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.

Maybe they'll finally win the East next year if the team remains intact and Lebron skips out west.

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I love lowry, he's my man from nova; but there's no way in hell unless they get another guy on their team that they are beating boston/philly in the foreseeable future...

As someone who suffered through all the Ehlo years, this gave me a pretty big laugh. Commentary on those brutal 90s defenses.

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As someone who suffered through all the Ehlo years, this gave me a pretty big laugh. Commentary on those brutal 90s defenses.

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:lol

That was unbelievably bad.

Also LOL at anyone who thinks Lebron wouldn't have dominated in previous NBA eras.