does this fight even last 1 round?
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does this fight even last 1 round?
I think for sure, Mayweather has pillow fists and the early rounds is when Conor will be dangerous. I think Mayweather uses his defense and is fairly passive early. I think Conor has a chance at winning a round or two early on just because he'll be pushing the action and throwing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by mulva
Don't take that to mean this fight will be competitive, I don't think it will but Mayweather is smart as hell and will play it safe early.
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Originally Posted by mulva
I would take prop bet on both sides as "who the fuck knows" sort of thing for round 1. After a 3-4 rounds, I think it is Mayweather decision.
how can mcgreg even fight a clean fight w/o subconsciously doing that mma shit and get points against, or possibly being dq'd?
Granted I've only seen a few McGregor fights, but he's never really struck me as some agressive, come forward, press the action type of fighter.
I think he'll know what he's in for pretty early. When he misses his power punches by 8 inches and gets countered.
Conor thinks he can knock Floyd out with one punch. Wouldn't be a shock to see Mayweather walking him down.
I know it sounds crazy because "lol Mayweather can't hit hard" but I'd be more surprised if this thing goes the distance. Mayweather can and should stop this guy. He is absolutely on another fucking planet in a boxing ring than Conor is. If he presses the action, he'll be the puncher in the fight.
if conor flash kos him, im going to be very sad about what people are going to say about boxing.
JMM, did you ever post in the boxing forum of sherdog? I also agree that Mayweather likely stops him but I still think the early rounds play out passive. McGregor has next to no shot of winning this thing but if he does land the lottery shot I think it only happens early and I believe Mayweather will fight accordingly.m
Nah I don't think I ever signed up for an account on Sherdog.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
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Originally Posted by JMMNah I don't think I ever signed up for an account on Sherdog.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
20 years ago or so the boxing forum was legit awesome. Off Topic was solid as well. MMA was in its infancy and it was a small tight community, sherdog forums are fucking atrocious now.Quote:
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Originally Posted by JMM
This can't be a defensive fight. I have to go to him," Mayweather said of McGregor. "I owe the public because of the Pacquiao fight. They weren't pleased with that. They're gonna be pleased with this fight here."Quote:
Originally Posted by JMM
Yeah he keeps saying he's going to go after McGregor. Hopefully he's not just talking shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsearles22This can't be a defensive fight. I have to go to him," Mayweather said of McGregor. "I owe the public because of the Pacquiao fight. They weren't pleased with that. They're gonna be pleased with this fight here."Quote:
Originally Posted by JMM
He's gotta sell a fight after the general public not enjoying his last one. His words are meaningless. I do think he will go after him in the middle rounds and get him out of there sometime after 6.
He always says he's going to go after fighters, but never does. I don't know whether he is lying or if the fact that he breaks his hands by the 4th round 100% of the time plays into it.
He does what he needs to do in the ring to win, and he says what he needs to say outside the ring to sell. Pretty solid combination, right there.
I enjoy his fights, his defense is so good it's almost comical at times. He made Pacquiao look hilariously bad for about 80% of that fight. The average sports fan tunes into boxing hoping to see someone get hurt and they have no clue what they are watching. I've heard people try to argue Pacquiao won that fight and it was a fucking blow out.
The thing that makes me nervous about this fight, simply put;
Mayweather sounds like every other MMA god who proclaimed how badly they were going to demolish Conor before waking up and asking the ref what happened.
I never heard anyone say Pacquiao won that fight... He might have 2 MAYBE 3 rounds, but he was picked apart. I'd like to believe he really was badly injured, but he didn't have it anymore by the time he fought Mayweather. Mayweather's style of boxing has allowed him to be able to fight well into his late 30's and still be on top. I can tell you for certain though, that if he were to fight Canelo today, it would be a very different outcome than when Canelo was 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
I agree, but this is Floyds world, Floyds rules. It'd be bigger than Buster/Tyson if Conor pulls this off imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Oh, there are people out there who argue that Pacquiao won. They're delusional, but they're out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GalloI never heard anyone say Pacquiao won that fight... He might have 2 MAYBE 3 rounds, but he was picked apart. I'd like to believe he really was badly injured, but he didn't have it anymore by the time he fought Mayweather. Mayweather's style of boxing has allowed him to be able to fight well into his late 30's and still be on top. I can tell you for certain though, that if he were to fight Canelo today, it would be a very different outcome than when Canelo was 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
Floyd would still beat Canelo. Canelo's style doesn't work against Floyd's. Canelo might win 4 rounds this time, rather than 0.
The only time Canelo ever beats Floyd, is when Floyd is too old to be a competitive fighter.
fun fact, mayweather just announced his never fighting again after conor. which also makes me nervous.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMM
For sure. It's a legit concern. "Father Time is undefeated" and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatinefun fact, mayweather just announced his never fighting again after conor. which also makes me nervous.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMM
Any fighter not named Hopkins/Mayweather, at 40 years old, and I wouldn't be near as confident.
I honestly think Floyd has to be shot to absolute shit to lose to a guy with no professional boxing experience.
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Originally Posted by JMMThe only time Canelo ever beats Floyd, is when Floyd is too old to be a competitive fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
I think that time has arrived, hence why he is boxing an MMA fighter. His last 3 fights were not the best his division had to offer.
You could be right. It all depends on how much his reflexes have slowed. He hasn't taken the kind of punishment throughout his career to be the average 40 year old fighter, but not even that can control the reflexes slowing down.Quote:
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Originally Posted by JMM
I think that time has arrived, hence why he is boxing an MMA fighter. His last 3 fights were not the best his division had to offer.
Once he hits the point where he sees what's coming, but can no longer get away from it, he's beatable. Then a guy like Canelo could get him on the ropes and wear him out.
Interesting note which potentially could make things more interesting.. Both Mayweather and McGregor have filed for a waiver to be able to use 8oz gloves in their fight.. NSAC rules state any fight above 147 is supposed to use 10oz gloves.. Not sure how this helps Floyd but could potentially make McGregor that much more dangerous smaller gloves means quicker and also harder strikes.. We shall see where this goes may not go anywhere..
According to my boxing coach the smaller gloves will help Floyd even more. He thinks Conor still has pop with the 10oz gloves but that Floyd needs the added power. He also thinks Floyd likely believes he can deal with Conors speed (or lack of) at 8oz while the smaller the glove the more difficult it will be for Conor to avoid Floyd's counters. I actually think the smaller mitts will help Floyd more.
Fun fact
The Floyd Mayweather winning the fight before the 4th round bet pays better than the fight is canceled altogether bet.
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
thats cool, but any factor whatsoever that moves the bar closer to conor's mma environment is overwhelmingly benefitting conor.
we both know who the better boxer is but you know... increasingly uneasy.
If it's true that the only way Conner wins is with a lucky power punch then it defies logic to allow a rule change that in any way favors this outcome. Floyd does not need any more advantages to his game. He is basically moving the needle in the wrong direction. Perhaps that is what is needed to get the bookies out of a jam or to sell more PPV's?
This change surely isn't supported by what is advantageous to Floyd in the ring so it must favor some factor outside the ring.
In ever single previous simulation Floyd wins this fight by KO in the first round.
Glove size doesn't make this anything close to an MMA fight, it's a boxing match. Everything is different, the distancing, the footwork, the effective defense. 8oz gloves are still a boxing glove and I think the smaller glove will actually make the speed and skill differential between the two larger. I think Mayweather fully believes the 8oz benefits him more than Conor. I really don't think this overwhelmingly benefits Conor at all, the only glove choice that would is one that has finger holes.Quote:
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
thats cool, but any factor whatsoever that moves the bar closer to conor's mma environment is overwhelmingly benefitting conor.
we both know who the better boxer is but you know... increasingly uneasy.
What should make you feel uneasy is the fact that it seems Conor held his own vs malignaggi. Paulie first claims to have beaten the bricks off Conor in sparring only to follow that up by conceding he lost their first sparring session and that Conor got the best of him rounds 1-5 in their second session. Conor can obviously box. That being said, Mayweather could beat Malignaggi in his sleep so the skill difference will still be enormous.
Malignaggi is also looking like an enormous baby through this all. What the fuck did he think was going to happen? Conor has to sell a fight and make people believe he can box. What a delicate man.
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Originally Posted by peter mcneilGlove size doesn't make this anything close to an MMA fight, it's a boxing match. Everything is different, the distancing, the footwork, the effective defense. 8oz gloves are still a boxing glove and I think the smaller glove will actually make the speed and skill differential between the two larger. I think Mayweather fully believes the 8oz benefits him more than Conor. I really don't think this overwhelmingly benefits Conor at all, the only glove choice that would is one that has finger holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
What should make you feel uneasy is the fact that it seems Conor held his own vs malignaggi. Paulie first claims to have beaten the bricks off Conor in sparring only to follow that up by conceding he lost their first sparring session and that Conor got the best of him rounds 1-5 in their second session. Conor can obviously box. That being said, Mayweather could beat Malignaggi in his sleep so the skill difference will still be enormous.
Malignaggi is also looking like an enormous baby through this all. What the fuck did he think was going to happen? Conor has to sell a fight and make people believe he can box. What a delicate man.
Soooooooooooo Conor paid a guy to spar with him and after all the drama dust had cleared everyone believes that Pauley got beat? If Pauley comes out right after this and says, "OMG he kicked my ass. This guy can fight", everyone would assume he's lying and simply saying what he was paid to say. But if they do it this way and act like Pauley's feelings were hurt everyone will actually believe Conor beat him. I have not one iota of Illuminati training and even I can sniff that one out. That sparring session and the media stuff after it was almost for sure all planned out before Pauley even signed on to be part of that three stop press tour.
Also I'm not a boxing guy so you'd have to ask JMM but to me it seems super unbelievable that Pauley or anyone is giving his all in a pre fight sparring session. (especially a fight of this magnitude) So the thought that the results could hurt Pauley's feelings in something where he isn't expected to go 100 percent is preposterous right from the gate.
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
How big was the bag of money he was sitting on when he said this tho?
I'd be pissed too though if another fighter demeaned me by making it look like he kicked my ass and stood over me when it was a push. That was a shitty move. Paulie was a decent boxer and a champion but no where near Mayweatehrs league. But Paulie is still a proud boxer and obviously didn't take kindly to being punked by a loud mouth that he was helping get ready for a matchQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilGlove size doesn't make this anything close to an MMA fight, it's a boxing match. Everything is different, the distancing, the footwork, the effective defense. 8oz gloves are still a boxing glove and I think the smaller glove will actually make the speed and skill differential between the two larger. I think Mayweather fully believes the 8oz benefits him more than Conor. I really don't think this overwhelmingly benefits Conor at all, the only glove choice that would is one that has finger holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
What should make you feel uneasy is the fact that it seems Conor held his own vs malignaggi. Paulie first claims to have beaten the bricks off Conor in sparring only to follow that up by conceding he lost their first sparring session and that Conor got the best of him rounds 1-5 in their second session. Conor can obviously box. That being said, Mayweather could beat Malignaggi in his sleep so the skill difference will still be enormous.
Malignaggi is also looking like an enormous baby through this all. What the fuck did he think was going to happen? Conor has to sell a fight and make people believe he can box. What a delicate man.
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Yeah I agree, it would be a blow to the ego but Paulie has a more delicate ego than most. He's lost his mind on Twitter over this. Perhaps some of it is also by design if I'm trying to be charitable? He's already talking about a boxing match with Conor after the Mayweather fight is done. The ground work is there for a grudge match.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GalloI'd be pissed too though if another fighter demeaned me by making it look like he kicked my ass and stood over me when it was a push. That was a shitty move. Paulie was a decent boxer and a champion but no where near Mayweatehrs league. But Paulie is still a proud boxer and obviously didn't take kindly to being punked by a loud mouth that he was helping get ready for a matchQuote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneil
sonatine: brittney wants attention offset
Who doesn't?
But also it's very frustrating to even fathom someone believing this guy was actually frustrated. For fucks sake he's so part of the show that he was literally the host of that first press conference posted right in this thread. Then on top of that do people actually think he went into a fucking sparring match with a killer instinct, trying his hardest with hopes of knocking out the guy paying him right before the fight? People have zero common sense. I know you are all trolling but god fucking damn if you aren't convincing sometimes.
JMM GET YOUR ASS IN HERE PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE. I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE THIS ANYMORE.
re: glove size. I think it benefits Floyd to the extent that, he knows he's going to touch Conor whenever he wants, and he has no real fear of Conor, regardless of glove size.
Also, I'm on record saying that Floyd will be the puncher in this fight. Conor is getting stopped imo regardless of 8 or 10oz. I truly believe that.
re: Paulie - The concerning part should be for Conor backers. Paulie is shot to shit. He was fat, and off the couch for this sparring. One of Conor's other sparring partners said "It wasn't one sided either way, but I thought Conor was clearly the winner."
If you want to have a chance at beating Floyd Mayweather, you had better goddamn well do better than "not one sided either way" against old, shot, fat, Paulie Malignaggi.
Also, it's really hard to know what's real, and what's just an attempt at building the hype for the fight.
The whole fucking thing feels WWE-ish.
I'm just sitting back with hope that it's a real fight, and not just a spectacle, because if it's a real fight, Floyd is going to fuck this dude up.