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Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
Forgot to mention when we were at Blüm, we asked if they had any Matrix product there, and they didn't have any at that moment, but everyone behind the counter were big fans and personal users of the matrix pens and oils, at least 2 of them had one in their pocket at the time.
ya thats just Ontario, the federal government is allowing the provinces to decide how the "medicine" will be distributed the west will be much different than the uptight idiots over there. but we will see next year how it all comes together. from what the federal government still says it is a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler
Just spent the last wk in the mountains of South Lake Tahoe. (Highly recommend, not just for skiing.) I reached out to vegas for some tips, and his direction was obv right in point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avon Barksdale
One disp in Reno was cleared out of matrix flower, but a 2nd was stocked, and I selected the Do Si Dos based on some chatting with the dealer.
Mildly spicy flavor, high but-not-insanely-high thc%, perfectly cured, perfectly balanced (terp profile). Just a superb smoke, imo, ideal for communing with nature.
Kudos to producing such quality, vegas.
Thanks man. Outstanding review, even better than usual :) Do Si Dos and Tangilope were the strains that put us on the map. I have a cut of Tangilope that is ours from seed, and it's easily the best pheno on the market for that strain. The terp profile is insane. The concentrates it puts off are incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by KuntmissionerJust spent the last wk in the mountains of South Lake Tahoe. (Highly recommend, not just for skiing.) I reached out to vegas for some tips, and his direction was obv right in point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avon Barksdale
One disp in Reno was cleared out of matrix flower, but a 2nd was stocked, and I selected the Do Si Dos based on some chatting with the dealer.
Mildly spicy flavor, high but-not-insanely-high thc%, perfectly cured, perfectly balanced (terp profile). Just a superb smoke, imo, ideal for communing with nature.
Kudos to producing such quality, vegas.
Do Si Dos is a fun one. I have the same cut the Jungle Boyz run from Archive. It's highly sought after. I've had at least 3 different growers from CO offer me big money for a cut, can't give it up though. I just got the same cut of Purple Punch that JB run as well, and the real Zkittlez. Can't wait to start throwing those out. I have enough strains in house now to put out 2 new strains a month for years. All are fire. It's taken me many years to put together this bank, now it's time to put it all out there.
Is there a lot of variation with seeds from the same plant? I know that with apples you have to use cuts because the seeds are all over the place regarding the fruit they produce and because of that some of the best known brands have a line of cuttings going back 100+ years.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369Thanks man. Outstanding review, even better than usual :) Do Si Dos and Tangilope were the strains that put us on the map. I have a cut of Tangilope that is ours from seed, and it's easily the best pheno on the market for that strain. The terp profile is insane. The concentrates it puts off are incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuntmissioner
Do Si Dos is a fun one. I have the same cut the Jungle Boyz run from Archive. It's highly sought after. I've had at least 3 different growers from CO offer me big money for a cut, can't give it up though. I just got the same cut of Purple Punch that JB run as well, and the real Zkittlez. Can't wait to start throwing those out. I have enough strains in house now to put out 2 new strains a month for years. All are fire. It's taken me many years to put together this bank, now it's time to put it all out there.
I have a lot to say about this but Im beat. The short answer is, yes it's exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickIs there a lot of variation with seeds from the same plant? I know that with apples you have to use cuts because the seeds are all over the place regarding the fruit they produce and because of that some of the best known brands have a line of cuttings going back 100+ years.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
http://www.nuwucannabis.com
This place just opened downtown and claims to be the largest dispensary in the world. I'm definitely going to check it out this weekend with the missus, as we're hitting Freemont street anyway. But I'm wary of actually buying anything there, because this is on Indian land and apparently they are not subject to the same regulations as other dispensaries in the state.
Does this mean they're just growing their own shit and not testing for pesticides or whatever? Even if they're buying from 3rd parties, such as vegas1369's operation, could they get cheaper deals by buying pre-laboratory or alternative stock?
They are held to the same standards. Same labs, same governing body, same everything. Only thing different is the tax is going to them, not the state. Our products are in there. They don't have much of an inventory yet though. They just opened on Monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by SrslySirius
Hey Vegas, I just got this reply from my fav. dispensary and would like to get your take on it.
"We do not have Blue Dream at this time but You should never just go after the name of the strain because most important is the grower .We have plenty of skilled organic growers onboard" .
These guys are good but this reply "leaves" me wondering. Sure they have other skilled growers but it's meaningless without the proper strain.????
From my experience in Oregon and Washington dispensaries, once a top strain, Blue Dream has been bastardized to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
Every grower has a blue dream strain now, and it seems like every shop I went to couldn’t give it away. They all looked very average, and were usually heavily discounted and “on sale”
Just got back from a trip to Humboldt. You couldn't give away Blue Dream up there.
The reason they all grow it is because it's a huge yielder and easy to grow.
All the rage in the Triangle was Do-si-dos, Gelato 33, Wedding Cake, Birthday Cake, Sapphire Kush, Moonstone Kush, Sunset Sherbet, Zkittles,and Girl Scout Cookies.
Can confirm. Blue Dream has changed for the worse at my shop too. I still like it but the nug tightness has diminished greatly. Bought a bag today anyway, but still.
What they sent you was an incredibly stupid response. So many know-it-alls in this industry that really don't know much.Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles
The correct response to this would be "We don't have Blue Dream in stock, however we do have certain strains with a very similar cannabinoid and terpene profile".
Looking at strains in the sense of strain name, or Indica, Sativa, or Hybrid is a very basic way (and somewhat incorrect) of searching for what will work best for you. It's really all about potency and terp profile, and also finding a trusted grower. The same strain grown by 2 different growers could be very different, and also a lot of the time the person growing a certain strain has a weak cultivar of it, so it might not be as good as what you'd expect. A lot of the time a cultivator will claim a strain is something it's not as well. That's very common also, so for example, one cut of Blue Dream might be totally different from the next, or not even Blue Dream at all. When you find a strain you like look at these profiles and look for similar profiles in the dispensaries. They should be providing results like this...
Also, get familiar with each one of these terpenes and their benefits...
This is a very basic chart, but it will get you started. The more you know about terpenes and how they effect you as an individual (everyone is different to some degree) the easier it will be to find what you are looking for.
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Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps
Please stop discussing blue dream in a Las Vegas weed thread. It's clearly dog shit and not sold in Vegas. If you want to discuss that, start a new thread."
DanDruff
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Originally Posted by jsearles22Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Chaps
Please stop discussing blue dream in a Las Vegas weed thread. It's clearly dog shit and not sold in Vegas. If you want to discuss that, start a new thread."
DanDruff
SHUT IT DOWN.
My pleasure, les.
26% thc is schizophrenia bait.
fuck outta here with that.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
i mean it's nice every now and then, but i just don't like to get that high on the reg
vegas, does your company have any interest in reviving/breeding some of the long lost land-race strains?
i feel like that is prolly an ignored part of the market which could be very profitable playing to a lot of the older smokers
to go a little further, you could market to your older customers something like this:
70-80's section: could have maui wowie, acapulco gold, columbian red, thai, etc
90's: northern lights, dj short's blueberry, holland's hope, skunk #1
etc etc
i think this type of marketing would fly off the shelf for a lot of older guys just getting into the rec/medicinal game
everyone wants to smoke that shit they first smoked in junior high school again - but without the seeds and 1/g stems
edit: i know the 90's strains like blueberry or NL aren't landrace, but you get the idea as far as marketing
im not much of a conspiracy dude but the difficulty in finding original sub-narcotic strains of weed is impossible to ignore or explain.
when i think that there are people sitting on pure chocolate thai who simply dont want to share it, and insist on breeding it with lemon bass tits or neon jew-hive, i get this real deep down type of mad going on where my pulse rate actually rises and i start getting all wide eyed and tense.
the main problem is most everything has been hybridized, but i know at least one company who tries to go to exotic locations where original land races can't be pollinated by alien strainsQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
vice actually followed them on one of their trips and like a year later their main breeder "died of malaria" in africa or something
from what i understand, you can even back breed not pure strains - not sure if that is the correct word
not saying it would be at all easy - i'm sure it would prolly be resource intensive but the payoff could be huge
I wasn't suggesting les go with that high of a thc percentage, just using the test result as an example seeing it has a good terp profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
honestly, it is simply not possible, not without CRISPR and even then you need a baseline from the pure strain.
this isnt me talking out of ass, its just science and its a very personal subject to me based on years of west coast steelhead conservationism. it is why its legal to harvest steelhead raised in hatcheries but illegal to harvest wild strains; the hatchery fish will breed with the native wild strains and fuck up hundreds of thousands of years of breeding and natural selection in minutes.
and with pot strains, we are talking about psychotropic compounds on a molecular level here. its pragmatically impossible to undo hybridization in a meaningful and complete way. you can breed out the obvious shit like color, bud density, accelerated harvest maturity, even taste or couch-lock etc. but without a mapped genome and the ability to audit it precisely, there is no recovering the original gene profile in a way thats going to do justice to what makes something like chocolate thai amazing.
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Originally Posted by vegas1369I wasn't suggesting les go with that high of a thc percentage, just using the test result as an example seeing it has a good terp profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
totes, im just disgusted that the industry is moving in that direction like a freight train.
depends how far down the line you areQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
honestly, it is simply not possible, not without CRISPR and even then you need a baseline from the pure strain.
this isnt me talking out of ass, its just science and its a very personal subject to me based on years of west coast steelhead conservationism. it is why its legal to harvest steelhead raised in hatcheries but illegal to harvest wild strains; the hatchery fish will breed with the native wild strains and fuck up hundreds of thousands of years of breeding and natural selection in minutes.
and with pot strains, we are talking about psychotropic compounds on a molecular level here. its pragmatically impossible to undo hybridization in a meaningful and complete way. you can breed out the obvious shit like color, bud density, accelerated harvest maturity, even taste or couch-lock etc. but without a mapped genome and the ability to audit it precisely, there is no recovering the original gene profile in a way thats going to do justice to what makes something like chocolate thai amazing.
and i was more suggesting getting true landrace strains by visiting those corners of the world where the genetics are still pure, and stable as fuck
which isn't easy, or getting genetics from someone who has
You're talking about Arjan and Franco from Strain Hunters. I'm fortunate enough to call them friends. Franco sadly died of malaria after going to the Congo while working on a cure for of all things malaria. He got a horrific case of cerebral malaria.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFMLthe main problem is most everything has been hybridized, but i know at least one company who tries to go to exotic locations where original land races can't be pollinated by alien strainsQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
vice actually followed them on one of their trips and like a year later their main breeder "died of malaria" in africa or something
from what i understand, you can even back breed not pure strains - not sure if that is the correct word
not saying it would be at all easy - i'm sure it would prolly be resource intensive but the payoff could be huge
So, here's the thing about true Landrace strains... Most of the actual seeds you are talking about are incredibly difficult to find, and even if you do find them you have to go through extensive pheno hunting to find a solid cultivar. I know growers here doing exactly what you are talking about, and yes it hits a niche, but most of what they're growing is not a true example of what the old school strain was.
That said, I do have certain old school Landrace strains that we grow, some of which are best sellers, but as far as searching out the true Landrace strains from South America, Hawaii, and Thailand... I just haven't ever seen a good source.
Maybe down the road, but I'm sitting on so many strains now I can't take on more.
I grow everything from 3% THC (with CBD) to the plus 30%, but the majority land in high teens, low 20's. In a medical market you are correct, they mostly want high THC, but in a rec market it's a bit different. The people our age and older want the lower testing stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
totes, im just disgusted that the industry is moving in that direction like a freight train.
either way vegas, whether these are the real strains of their youth or kinda, market the shit to older buyers by the decade they were in junior/high school
once you see this starts flying off your shelf, hire me
it'll only be a 6 month contract cause this is the only good idea i have
:outright
besides my best idea, getting the company to pay for you to go to hawaii, mexico, columbia, thailand, panama, etc
I already have a true cut of Durban Poison (insanely hard to get) and a cross from 2 Landrace strains from Nepal and India... I do want to hunt certain cornerstone Landrace strains, cause honestly that's the building blocks of everything. It's just not that time yet, but that is kinda the end game and as cool as what I'm doing right now, that's the 10th level shit right there. You're basically starting from scratch in the breeding game if you can obtain certain seeds scattered across the globe.
I first smoked true Durban Poison back in 1988 on my first day in South Africa on a train with South African Defense Force troops who were being deployed to fight the Cubans up in the Angola. That was one strange night.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Yeah, let me get some of that flame!Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
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Originally Posted by WillieMcFMLthe main problem is most everything has been hybridized, but i know at least one company who tries to go to exotic locations where original land races can't be pollinated by alien strainsQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
vice actually followed them on one of their trips and like a year later their main breeder "died of malaria" in africa or something
from what i understand, you can even back breed not pure strains - not sure if that is the correct word
not saying it would be at all easy - i'm sure it would prolly be resource intensive but the payoff could be huge
Case in point, Chocolope. It's Cannalope Haze x Chocolate Thai. Pretty big yielder and when you dry hit it, you can actually taste the chocolate flavor. Unfortunately, when I went to Vegas, only one place had it and it wasn't a good phenotype so I wasn't impressed.
I'm not much of a smoker pretty much gave it up after college, but damn the stuff today Is different. In my day we used to buy nickel and dime bags typically some Mexican weed. If you were lucky you could get some indica. The last time I smoked, don't know what it was, but it literally knocked me on my ass. I couldn't function LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369I grow everything from 3% THC (with CBD) to the plus 30%, but the majority land in high teens, low 20's. In a medical market you are correct, they mostly want high THC, but in a rec market it's a bit different. The people our age and older want the lower testing stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Reports on the news now in California are saying they expect prices to nearly double when rec use is legalized, is this different than the experience in Vegas?
Taxes increased the price, but not near doubled. It's important for our prices to stay on par with what people are used to, so the majority of us aren't trying to gouge. We could, but the relationships with dispensaries and locals are more important. Vegas is a small town. You start trying to rape people here you won't be around very long.Quote:
Originally Posted by hutmasterI'm not much of a smoker pretty much gave it up after college, but damn the stuff today Is different. In my day we used to buy nickel and dime bags typically some Mexican weed. If you were lucky you could get some indica. The last time I smoked, don't know what it was, but it literally knocked me on my ass. I couldn't function LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Reports on the news now in California are saying they expect prices to nearly double when rec use is legalized, is this different than the experience in Vegas?
I would have assumed it was the other way around, that cancer-seizure nerds wanted high cbd low thc, while dudes looking to get their blains blown out would want high thc low cbdQuote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Cancer patients want high thc as painkiller, obv.Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatireI would have assumed it was the other way around, that cancer-seizure nerds wanted high cbd low thc, while dudes looking to get their blains blown out would want high thc low cbdQuote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
And also, here it wasn't all that easy to get a card, and people love their guns here and tend not to want to give those up, so most of the people with cards here are either really sick and need high dosages or "connoisseurs".Quote:
Originally Posted by GambleBotsSatireI would have assumed it was the other way around, that cancer-seizure nerds wanted high cbd low thc, while dudes looking to get their blains blown out would want high thc low cbdQuote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Follow up. I contacted the dispenser once again and all they could say was they had a couple of strains that might be close to Blue Dream. One was Durban Poison. I read a bit on it and decided to try it. I'm happy with it. What's not to be happy about after all? Still, very little other that anecdotal info from the local outlets.
I had what was called "premium" Durban Poison, and it was billed as a 100% sativa. I found it to be too strong. I went overboard when I tried it by smoking a normal amount. Not cool,Quote:
Originally Posted by limitles