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11-18-2021, 01:45 PM
JeffDime

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

What more could he have done to get away? He literally ran until he was out of breath and was looking for cops to turn himself in while people were chasing him.

Also, when was the last time you got hit over the head with a skateboard by someone in an angry mob? Were you scared or no? Oh ya, at the same time someone else was kicking you in the face and someone else was pulling a gun on you. Were you scared?

Never, you are right. I also never took an AR-15 out and stood guard of a car lot in the middle of riots. You are essentially making my point regarding scene 2. We know how he got to scene 1, but scene 2 people can fill in the blanks, of if what Rittenhouse did exhausted any reasonable option of putting himself in a situation where he didn’t need to use deadly force. This is not cut and dry imho.
11-18-2021, 01:54 PM
nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

What more could he have done to get away? He literally ran until he was out of breath and was looking for cops to turn himself in while people were chasing him.

Also, when was the last time you got hit over the head with a skateboard by someone in an angry mob? Were you scared or no? Oh ya, at the same time someone else was kicking you in the face and someone else was pulling a gun on you. Were you scared?

Never, you are right. I also never took an AR-15 out and stood guard of a car lot in the middle of riots. You are essentially making my point regarding scene 2. We know how he got to scene 1, but scene 2 people can fill in the blanks, of if what Rittenhouse did exhausted any reasonable option of putting himself in a situation where he didn’t need to use deadly force. This is not cut and dry imho.

It's not illegal to be stupid and just because you're stupid doesn't mean you don't get to defend yourself if attacked. There were many other people there that night with guns.

You're basically arguing that after he made the bad decision to go to the riot with a gun that he was open game for anyone to attack him and he didn't have the right to defend himself. You also think a girl that leaves the house wearing a short skirt shouldn't be able to defend herself from being raped?
11-18-2021, 02:06 PM
JeffDime

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

It's not illegal to be stupid and just because you're stupid doesn't mean you don't get to defend yourself if attacked. There were many other people there that night with guns.

You're basically arguing that after he made the bad decision to go to the riot with a gun that he was open game for anyone to attack him and he didn't have the right to defend himself. You also think a girl that leaves the house wearing a short skirt shouldn't be able to defend herself from being raped?

No, you asked me if I ever been hit in the head with a skateboard. I answered your question with the qualifier that I also didn’t do anything like Rittenhouse did either. You are conflating my argument which is focusing on the second scene.

I personally do not believe from what I’ve read and seen that he exhausted all options to get the fuck out of there after the Rosenbaum incident. The rest of my initial post was talking about what my theory is on the Jury’s deliberations, Defense Motions for Mistrial and the Judge’s bias. I am not coming at this in a political or advocacy direction. Just what I have personally observed. I understand you disagree and that’s fine.

Also, young and stupid may give you a pass on a lot of shit. But not taking a life. Again, imho.
11-18-2021, 02:33 PM
nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

It's not illegal to be stupid and just because you're stupid doesn't mean you don't get to defend yourself if attacked. There were many other people there that night with guns.

You're basically arguing that after he made the bad decision to go to the riot with a gun that he was open game for anyone to attack him and he didn't have the right to defend himself. You also think a girl that leaves the house wearing a short skirt shouldn't be able to defend herself from being raped?

No, you asked me if I ever been hit in the head with a skateboard. I answered your question with the qualifier that I also didn’t do anything like Rittenhouse did either. You are conflating my argument which is focusing on the second scene.

I personally do not believe from what I’ve read and seen that he exhausted all options to get the fuck out of there after the Rosenbaum incident. The rest of my initial post was talking about what my theory is on the Jury’s deliberations, Defense Motions for Mistrial and the Judge’s bias. I am not coming at this in a political or advocacy direction. Just what I have personally observed. I understand you disagree and that’s fine.

Also, young and stupid may give you a pass on a lot of shit. But not taking a life. Again, imho.

What options did he not exhaust? You can see him running through the streets to the police.

And young and dumb had nothing to do with him shooting people. He shot them because he was being attacked. That right we all have no matter age or IQ.
11-18-2021, 02:43 PM
Gordman

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The MSNBC producer who allegedly authorized the reporter to follow the jury.

She has already deleted her LinkedIn and Twitter profiles.

ROFL at the pure irony of her trying to prevent herself from being doxxed.
11-18-2021, 02:46 PM
gimmick

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by JeffDime

No, you asked me if I ever been hit in the head with a skateboard. I answered your question with the qualifier that I also didn’t do anything like Rittenhouse did either. You are conflating my argument which is focusing on the second scene.

I personally do not believe from what I’ve read and seen that he exhausted all options to get the fuck out of there after the Rosenbaum incident. The rest of my initial post was talking about what my theory is on the Jury’s deliberations, Defense Motions for Mistrial and the Judge’s bias. I am not coming at this in a political or advocacy direction. Just what I have personally observed. I understand you disagree and that’s fine.

Also, young and stupid may give you a pass on a lot of shit. But not taking a life. Again, imho.

What options did he not exhaust? You can see him running through the streets to the police.

And young and dumb had nothing to do with him shooting people. He shot them because he was being attacked. That right we all have no matter age or IQ.

Civilians usually have less leeway with getting into a situation where they are afraid of their own safety compared to police. No idea of the specifics here.

That said nowhere does civilians have a guarantee of being protected by self defense laws in all situations. Say had not it been riot season and Kyle would have been just a regular school shooter. Strolling down the school halls with an AR the self defense BS means nothing, even less after the first kid he kills.
11-18-2021, 03:07 PM
nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by gimmick

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

What options did he not exhaust? You can see him running through the streets to the police.

And young and dumb had nothing to do with him shooting people. He shot them because he was being attacked. That right we all have no matter age or IQ.

Civilians usually have less leeway with getting into a situation where they are afraid of their own safety compared to police. No idea of the specifics here.

That said nowhere does civilians have a guarantee of being protected by self defense laws in all situations. Say had not it been riot season and Kyle would have been just a regular school shooter. Strolling down the school halls with an AR the self defense BS means nothing, even less after the first kid he kills.

Sure but here the kid is running away the entire time and is rightfully scared.
11-18-2021, 03:09 PM
BCR

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I didn’t mean to write that wall of text. I’m going to delete it. I had started my post and then it auto saved something on my phone I was just riffing on and didn’t mean to get that deeply into. My main point was two were no doubter innocent or more likely to be not guilty verdicts.

The kid with the skateboard to me, just on the initial video I saw, was some kid standing there with a bunch of people yelling he shot or killed people. Springing into action is stupid, but under another circumstance, could be viewed as stupid but understandable. I’m not advocating a guilty there as I didn’t watch the trial.

That kid had no business being there or having that weapon at his age and maturity. What I really thought was the judge might have fucked him by dropping the gun charge. It’s hard to let someone who shouldn’t have been there, with a gun he wasn’t allowed to legally have, go completely free.

Even if you find it was 95% appropriate self-defense, he still shouldn’t have been there. The misdemeanor gun charge allows for a jury, that I think are more women than men, to convict of something that probably gets him probation or some slap on the wrist.

Dudes walking around with those weapons are supposed to be grown men, or guys like you trained. It’s not a weapon or situation for a kid that was neither physically or mentally mature.

Hundreds of thousands of dipshits were in those streets that summer that shouldn't have been there. They all still had a right to defend themselves if attacked.

Here's a guy who tried to defend his store with a sword, I bet he wished he had an AR-15 like Rittenhouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJeu3GEsOq8

All sorts of people were getting fucked up or killed at these things.

I said I see not guilty on the pedophile and the dude who pointed the gun at him. That just seems common sense.

The third guy I have no opinion on as I didn’t watch the trial. If he acted in self-defense and had no other option, I hope he walks.

I think he’s a stupid kid, but whatever, you can’t attack him.

It just seems the jury is lingering. When juries are a bit hung, they tend to bargain from everything I’ve ever read regarding high profile cases with a few holdouts.

You have seven women. Some probably think of little Kyle as their kid, but some women get freaked out even seeing a gun when you have one in your home. Forget seeing him roam the street on video like it’s a field trip with an AR-15 weaving through the crowd.

Judges can give instructions what to base your decision on and everything else, but juries do what they want.

So if they’re back in the jury room haggling, I’d rather have that gun charge on the table if I’m him. I don’t want them bargaining on something that’s as ambiguous as behaving reckless, as that still lands me in jail if the judge doesn’t toss it.

I mean I’m sure he’d snap take a misdemeanor weapons charge right now if it settled it for the holdouts who might not think him a killer, but view him as a little bit to blame. They don’t have that little charge to vote guilty on to make themselves feel better. I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing for him. I guess we will see.
11-18-2021, 03:09 PM
gimmick

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

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When is the right going to rally behind Ahmaud Arbery's killers?

racist white supremacist (who somehow only shot other white people)

Literally doesn't mean anything. I don't know, if you just know very little about white supremacists or just feel like using the dumbest straw man arguments randomly.

The Nazi party in Germany targeted socialists, anarchists, deviants (gays), defectors and opposition that usually were white Germans. Also Jews, Gypsies and Slavs but there was at least an ethnic angle there.

They sort of revised their racial hierarchy when it suited them. Modern day white supremacists also do that.
11-18-2021, 03:13 PM
gimmick

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by gimmick

Civilians usually have less leeway with getting into a situation where they are afraid of their own safety compared to police. No idea of the specifics here.

That said nowhere does civilians have a guarantee of being protected by self defense laws in all situations. Say had not it been riot season and Kyle would have been just a regular school shooter. Strolling down the school halls with an AR the self defense BS means nothing, even less after the first kid he kills.

Sure but here the kid is running away the entire time and is rightfully scared.

Yea but it would still depend on if the first kill was in self defense or close to that region.

If you murder one guy and another one tries to disarm or attack you, it doesn't count as self defense.
11-18-2021, 03:17 PM
gimmick

Fairly sure if a gang member enters another gangs territory while visibly armed doing the whole 101 gangbang routine (outfit, hand signs and random call outs) nothing he does there counts as self defense.

Like there's a bit more nuance than just a girl in a mini skirt.
11-18-2021, 03:31 PM
nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by gimmick

Fairly sure if a gang member enters another gangs territory while visibly armed doing the whole 101 gangbang routine (outfit, hand signs and random call outs) nothing he does there counts as self defense.

Like there's a bit more nuance than just a girl in a mini skirt.

I mean if the dipshit kid had stood there and shot people coming at him then sure it would look a little different. But this kid ran away, scared out of his fucking mind.

And plot twist, what if Rittenhouse knew the first guy was a pedophile that had already fucked a handful of kids. Maybe Rittenhouse was scared of getting fucked.

:what
11-18-2021, 03:54 PM
gimmick

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by gimmick

Fairly sure if a gang member enters another gangs territory while visibly armed doing the whole 101 gangbang routine (outfit, hand signs and random call outs) nothing he does there counts as self defense.

Like there's a bit more nuance than just a girl in a mini skirt.

I mean if the dipshit kid had stood there and shot people coming at him then sure it would look a little different. But this kid ran away, scared out of his fucking mind.

And plot twist, what if Rittenhouse knew the first guy was a pedophile that had already fucked a handful of kids. Maybe Rittenhouse was scared of getting fucked.

:what

Doesn't really matter. Running and being scared happens all the time when people do whatever they get caught from.

Say you saw me trying to steal your electric bike. If i started running away and you chased me, can i just stop when i get tired and shoot you because you look really scary?
11-18-2021, 03:56 PM
dwai

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Originally Posted by gimmick

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

I mean if the dipshit kid had stood there and shot people coming at him then sure it would look a little different. But this kid ran away, scared out of his fucking mind.

And plot twist, what if Rittenhouse knew the first guy was a pedophile that had already fucked a handful of kids. Maybe Rittenhouse was scared of getting fucked.

:what

Doesn't really matter. Running and being scared happens all the time when people do whatever they get caught from.

Say you saw me trying to steal your electric bike. If i started running away and you chased me, can i just stop when i get tired and shoot you because you look really scary?

:yes2
11-18-2021, 04:12 PM
nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by gimmick

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

I mean if the dipshit kid had stood there and shot people coming at him then sure it would look a little different. But this kid ran away, scared out of his fucking mind.

And plot twist, what if Rittenhouse knew the first guy was a pedophile that had already fucked a handful of kids. Maybe Rittenhouse was scared of getting fucked.

:what

Doesn't really matter. Running and being scared happens all the time when people do whatever they get caught from.

Say you saw me trying to steal your electric bike. If i started running away and you chased me, can i just stop when i get tired and shoot you because you look really scary?

Well the guy chasing him was telling him he was gonna fucking kill him so ya he can be scared and shoot him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS22w8HeEB8

Here the pedophile is so scared of the guys with guns that he's actually asking for the "niggas" to shoot him.
11-18-2021, 05:20 PM
Walter Sobchak

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

The kid being a dipshit doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to defend himself.

The kid having a gun doesn't somehow mean he provoked any violence towards him thus can't use the gun. That's basically what the prosecution is arguing.

You should care about the verdict because if that's not self defense then what is? And where does this lead?

Maybe it leads to fewer 17 year old douche bags thinking they’re John McClane and staying away from dangerous situations instead of heading straight for them with illegal guns in tow like moths to a flame.
11-18-2021, 05:23 PM
Walter Sobchak

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by gimmick

Fairly sure if a gang member enters another gangs territory while visibly armed doing the whole 101 gangbang routine (outfit, hand signs and random call outs) nothing he does there counts as self defense.

Like there's a bit more nuance than just a girl in a mini skirt.

I mean if the dipshit kid had stood there and shot people coming at him then sure it would look a little different. But this kid ran away, scared out of his fucking mind.

And plot twist, what if Rittenhouse knew the first guy was a pedophile that had already fucked a handful of kids. Maybe Rittenhouse was scared of getting fucked.

:what

He’s probably even more scared of getting fucked now.
11-18-2021, 05:35 PM
4BET

If I was on the jury I would find NOT Guilty on all counts. Was self defense obviously. One could ask what the fuck did the kid grab a AK 47 and run down there for but that’s not the issue here. Since he only shot whites maybe they won’t riot and burn down the city when kid get found Not Guilty
11-18-2021, 05:46 PM
nightmarefish

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

The kid being a dipshit doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to defend himself.

The kid having a gun doesn't somehow mean he provoked any violence towards him thus can't use the gun. That's basically what the prosecution is arguing.

You should care about the verdict because if that's not self defense then what is? And where does this lead?

Maybe it leads to fewer 17 year old douche bags thinking they’re John McClane and staying away from dangerous situations instead of heading straight for them with illegal guns in tow like moths to a flame.

If Rittenhouse getting convicted scares all the kids in Chicago so much that they quit shooting each other every single day then I’m all for it.
11-18-2021, 05:51 PM
Walter Sobchak

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Originally Posted by nightmarefish

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Maybe it leads to fewer 17 year old douche bags thinking they’re John McClane and staying away from dangerous situations instead of heading straight for them with illegal guns in tow like moths to a flame.

If Rittenhouse getting convicted scares all the kids in Chicago so much that they quit shooting each other every single day then I’m all for it.

I agree but I doubt they’re paying attention, whereas his kind of people have given him hero/martyr status and probably are paying attention.

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