Time to get on the TRUMP train

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Jesus Christ. I know that ignorance isn’t an excuse, but in a situation like this where it normally wouldn’t be illegal, the only way to prove that it is, is to establish concrete proof of criminal intent. There is no way to do so unless there are conversations where Trump specifically mentions doing this to get around having to disclose it or to avoid a record of such for campaign purposes.

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guys, he 100% didn’t know that ignorance of the law wasn’t an excuse. for 10 years the skatz website has been catastrophically fucked up but he can’t fix it

keep this in mind when reading his opinions

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Direct quote from my first post on this subject, which was like 6 posts ago. Apparently I’m terrible at explaining this, at least to you, but:

“None of this excuses breaking the law, but it can make arguing criminal intent impossible.”

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ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

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Originally Posted by blake

guys, he 100% didn’t know that ignorance of the law wasn’t an excuse. for 10 years the skatz website has been catastrophically fucked up but he can’t fix it

keep this in mind when reading his opinions

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Direct quote from my first post on this subject, which was like 6 posts ago. Apparently I’m terrible at explaining this, at least to you, but:

“None of this excuses breaking the law, but it can make arguing criminal intent impossible.”

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yeah i don’t know where i could have gotten the idea that you thought ignorance of the law is a defense

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Trump’s team would have a very strong defense just by saying that Cohen advised him that none of this was illegal, and that he in good faith would assume that his attorney hadn’t violated any laws.

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wrong

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

How can any actions be considered conspiracy if one didn’t know that they were breaking law? Conspiracy would hinge on concrete proof of doing A to hide B and acknowledging the reason why one did so was to break the law directly.

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This Cohen guy is completely unhinged and is doing anything he can to save his own skin.

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Originally Posted by BiffCo99

This Cohen guy is completely unhinged and is doing anything he can to save his own skin.

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:this

Time to bet Democrat for 2020

ahaha unhinged. You and all the right wing coo coo birds are the ones that are unhinged

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Originally Posted by big dick

ahaha unhinged. You and all the right wing coo coo birds are the ones that are unhinged

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I’m far from unhinged. I am enjoying this booming economy, thriving job market and skyrocketing stock market. THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!!!

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Originally Posted by BiffCo99

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Originally Posted by big dick

ahaha unhinged. You and all the right wing coo coo birds are the ones that are unhinged

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I’m far from unhinged. I am enjoying this booming economy, thriving job market and skyrocketing stock market. THANK YOU OBAMA!!!!!

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Direct quote from my first post on this subject, which was like 6 posts ago. Apparently I’m terrible at explaining this, at least to you, but:

“None of this excuses breaking the law, but it can make arguing criminal intent impossible.”

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yeah i don’t know where i could have gotten the idea that you thought ignorance of the law is a defense

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Trump’s team would have a very strong defense just by saying that Cohen advised him that none of this was illegal, and that he in good faith would assume that his attorney hadn’t violated any laws.

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

How can any actions be considered conspiracy if one didn’t know that they were breaking law? Conspiracy would hinge on concrete proof of doing A to hide B and acknowledging the reason why one did so was to break the law directly.

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Every post was me saying the same thing. In a situation like this where it is both legal to do if done for one reason and illegal to if done for another, Trump not knowing he broke a law or potentially broke one is actually a defense because it only can become a crime in this situation if there is proof he acted with intent to get around campaign finance laws. There’s absolutely no chance that can be proven without him being recorded or text/email conversations of him saying something along the lines of “blah blah... campaign laws”. He can even admit to purposely trying to conceal it on tv today as long as it’s understood that at least part of his motives were personal.

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Originally Posted by duped_samaritan

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Originally Posted by BiffCo99

I’m far from unhinged. I am enjoying this booming economy, thriving job market and skyrocketing stock market. THANK YOU OBAMA!!!!!

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Totally untrue. It kills you so much that Trump’s economic policies have worked every step of the way. You’ll never admit it but it’s true and it eats you up. Now go back and Red rep posts of mine from months ago you creepy stalker.

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

No one sees a problem with Davis, former Clinton lawyer for years now Cohen’s lawyer, tweeting this after the plea:

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And then going on the Rachel Maddow show earlier to say that Cohen will tell Mueller whatever he needs?

This wasn’t completely orchestrated right?

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You can't indict the current President in office.

But you can prosecute everyone around him.

Goodbye, Jared, Ivanka, Don Jr, Rudy Giuliani, etc.

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Every post was me saying the same thing. In a situation like this where it is both legal to do if done for one reason and illegal to if done for another, Trump not knowing he broke a law or potentially broke one is actually a defense because it only can become a crime in this situation if there is proof he acted with intent to get around campaign finance laws. There’s absolutely no chance that can be proven without him being recorded or text/email conversations of him saying something along the lines of “blah blah... campaign laws”. He can even admit to purposely trying to conceal it on tv today as long as it’s understood that at least part of his motives were personal.

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maybe we're talking past each other here, but you are just walt jr'ing it up here and i'll give this one last shot

a) if trump said, i want to pay her to avoid damaging my family (and could give a fuck about his campaign) = not a crime.

b) if trump said, i want to pay her so that she doesn't tank my campaign (and he knows it would be a violation of campaign finance laws) = crime

this next one is where we seem to disagree.....

c) if trump said, i want to pay her so that she doesn't tank my campaign (and he has no idea it would be a violation of campaign finance laws) = STILL A CRIME

his knowledge about whether his conduct is illegal or not is irrelevant.

the only thing that matters is that he made the payment with the intent to help his campaign. if he wanted to help his campaign, it's illegal regardless of whether he knew it was illegal or not.

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

Every post was me saying the same thing. In a situation like this where it is both legal to do if done for one reason and illegal to if done for another, Trump not knowing he broke a law or potentially broke one is actually a defense because it only can become a crime in this situation if there is proof he acted with intent to get around campaign finance laws. There’s absolutely no chance that can be proven without him being recorded or text/email conversations of him saying something along the lines of “blah blah... campaign laws”. He can even admit to purposely trying to conceal it on tv today as long as it’s understood that at least part of his motives were personal.

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maybe we're talking past each other here, but you are just walt jr'ing it up here and i'll give this one last shot

a) if trump said, i want to pay her to avoid damaging my family (and could give a fuck about his campaign) = not a crime.

b) if trump said, i want to pay her so that she doesn't tank my campaign (and he knows it would be a violation of campaign finance laws) = crime

this next one is where we seem to disagree.....

c) if trump said, i want to pay her so that she doesn't tank my campaign (and he has no idea it would be a violation of campaign finance laws) = STILL A CRIME

his knowledge about whether his conduct is illegal or not is irrelevant.

the only thing that matters is that he made the payment with the intent to help his campaign. if he wanted to help his campaign, it's illegal regardless of whether he knew it was illegal or not.

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this is so dumb. what an absolute shitshow political twitter is right now between this & mollie Tibbets, I kinda wanna kill myself

Trump is not going to jail!

Trump won't even be impeached!

If you want to talk about real criminals let's talk

Clinton's and Obama's


You guys kill me with this shit. Blinded to only one side of the corrupted government.

in fairness, i am listening to some pretty smart former FEC and DOJ people discussing how paying money to silence a story can't be considered a campaign contribution, and not every benefit paid for the benefit of a campaign must be disclosed.

i suppose none of this has actually been tested in court yet so who knows.

laws where you have to try to read someone's mind (kind of like perjury) are really hard to prove.

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Originally Posted by TheXFactor

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Originally Posted by VaughnP

No one sees a problem with Davis, former Clinton lawyer for years now Cohen’s lawyer, tweeting this after the plea:

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And then going on the Rachel Maddow show earlier to say that Cohen will tell Mueller whatever he needs?

This wasn’t completely orchestrated right?

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You can't indict the current President in office.

But you can prosecute everyone around him.

Goodbye, Jared, Ivanka, Don Jr, Rudy Giuliani, etc.

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But once he leaves office, he can be criminally prosecuted for them. That’s why it would be suh-weet if the Dems could get their shit together and take back the White House in 2020. Then let the criminal charges against him be filed, and eventually he’ll get the justice he deserves!



#LockHimUp

I think we can all agree had he not won, his ass would be in deep trouble. The only caveat being it’s possible no onc cared if he lost. Dems don’t live in the past like the GOP. You never saw anyone running against Romney or McCain after the election. The boogeyman from last elections is, ime, the exclusive tactic of the right given they rarely have original ideas. I understand it most of the time, but given Trump’s really positive economic numbers, it’s a bit puzzling atm. I’d be pumping my own numbers, even if I had nothing to do with them, were I the GOP, rather than running against the Clintons forever. That well will eventually run dry, but judging from some here, maybe it’s easier to hate Hillary than defend Trump, which is bizarre. I feel I could make a compelling argument for why Trump is a success and I hate him.

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I think we can all agree had he not won, his ass would be in deep trouble. The only caveat being it’s possible no onc cared if he lost. Dems don’t live in the past like the GOP. You never saw anyone running against Romney or McCain after the election. The boogeyman from last elections is, ime, the exclusive tactic of the right given they rarely have original ideas. I understand it most of the time, but given Trump’s really positive economic numbers, it’s a bit puzzling atm. I’d be pumping my own numbers, even if I had nothing to do with them, were I the GOP, rather than running against the Clintons forever. That well will eventually run dry, but judging from some here, maybe it’s easier to hate Hillary than defend Trump, which is bizarre. I feel I could make a compelling argument for why Trump is a success and I hate him.

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its not really the same tho cuz all of the departments are still all mostly stocked with Obama ppl. And who do u think he got most of his job hiring advice from? U GUESSED IT HILLARY CLINTON

duped_samaritan: wut


Lmao shows what u know. That's ur hint for u to stop participating

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Originally Posted by blake

c) if trump said, i want to pay her so that she doesn't tank my campaign (and he has no idea it would be a violation of campaign finance laws) = STILL A CRIME

his knowledge about whether his conduct is illegal or not is irrelevant.

the only thing that matters is that he made the payment with the intent to help his campaign. if he wanted to help his campaign, it's illegal regardless of whether he knew it was illegal or not.

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This seems to be impossible in the instant case to prove. Nothing Cohen says is going to matter other than for the lulllz. His veracity has long since been shot.

just a quick reminder yall elected someone actually mentally handicapped to the most powerful position possible.

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Originally Posted by Tellafriend

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Originally Posted by blake

c) if trump said, i want to pay her so that she doesn't tank my campaign (and he has no idea it would be a violation of campaign finance laws) = STILL A CRIME

his knowledge about whether his conduct is illegal or not is irrelevant.

the only thing that matters is that he made the payment with the intent to help his campaign. if he wanted to help his campaign, it's illegal regardless of whether he knew it was illegal or not.

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This seems to be impossible in the instant case to prove. Nothing Cohen says is going to matter other than for the lulllz. His veracity has long since been shot.

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i think it would be tough to get a conviction even if a jury believed cohen. it's very possible that cohen legitimately believed the primary reason for the payment was to help trump's campaign, while trump might have honestly been more concerned about embarrassment to his family.

Wait, what.....

Cohen pleads guilty and I'm not sure about Manafort but he's gotta be sunk.

Our lady justice

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Originally Posted by sonatine

just a quick reminder yall elected someone actually mentally handicapped to the most powerful position possible.

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saturday night live should seriously do a sketch where alec baldwin portrays trump giving this exact speech, word for word, to a crowd

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by Tellafriend

This seems to be impossible in the instant case to prove. Nothing Cohen says is going to matter other than for the lulllz. His veracity has long since been shot.

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i think it would be tough to get a conviction even if a jury believed cohen. it's very possible that cohen legitimately believed the primary reason for the payment was to help trump's campaign, while trump might have honestly been more concerned about embarrassment to his family.

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trump never imagined he would win.

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Originally Posted by Gookieheimowitz

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can we as a community have a frank discussion about which is more terrible; this dupe or the photoshop work it took to make trump look like he's not morbidly obese?

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by Tellafriend

This seems to be impossible in the instant case to prove. Nothing Cohen says is going to matter other than for the lulllz. His veracity has long since been shot.

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i think it would be tough to get a conviction even if a jury believed cohen. it's very possible that cohen legitimately believed the primary reason for the payment was to help trump's campaign, while trump might have honestly been more concerned about embarrassment to his family.

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Are you forgetting the once-pregnant Playboy model who conveniently had an abortion after being paid over $1.2 million by that GOP fundraiser/campaign scandal fixer, who ridiculously claimed had knocked her up? Why would *that* guy be helping Trump keep such a secret from his *family*??? That would be absurd!!!

THE 80'S CALLED THEY WANT UR OPINION OF TRUMP BEING A WOMANIZING SLEAZEBALL BACK. are we really talking about this. time to enjoy the rest of the summer imo

Oh ya you so stupid. Looking at you any Trump supporter

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by Gookieheimowitz

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can we as a community have a frank discussion about which is more terrible; this dupe or the photoshop work it took to make trump look like he's not morbidly obese?

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Oh, no! Trump really is that fit. All those other images of him borishly fat are “Fake news!” *This* is the photoshopped version, created no doubt by agents of The Deep State a number of years before Der Trümper took his rightful place as leader of our country.



Hell! They even fooled those ignorant cucks over at Wikipedia, where I found it, into thinking it was authentic! (Dummies!!!)

A sitting president cannon be indicted(for a crime)?????
Alexander Hamilton seemed to read the provision exactly that way: “The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law.”
That means you can’t indict and try a sitting president. He has to be removed first.

so no biggy

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Originally Posted by limitles

A sitting president cannon be indicted(for a crime)?????
Alexander Hamilton seemed to read the provision exactly that way: “The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law.”
That means you can’t indict and try a sitting president. He has to be removed first.

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Or not re-elected. Which could be troubling for the current president when the current lawyer for his former lawyer says that the now-guilty-on-multiple-federal-counts former lawyer won’t accept a pardon from “somebody who has acted so corruptly as president...”

https://youtu.be/v-HzpjxdNOw

LOL WATCHING ONE OF THE MANAFORT JURORS TALK ABOUT RUSSIAN COLLUSION AT THE TRIAL LMFAO!!!! rolled her eyes and said "we wasted some time dealing with that nonsense"



just a reminder how much of a fkn retard u are for ever believing "muh Russia." u know cuz u believed every word the ppl who got exposed by in the emails as being complete scammers said. CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS MUCH??? pretty embarrassing for ya

how do u not reflect on ur life & everything u know if u fell for "muh Russia" honestly. I seriously think im gonna start buying up "muh Russia" memorabilia and sell it in 10-20 years when we know it was the dumbest thing of all time

trump just said he's considering pardoning manafort.


here we go folks.

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3 hours sweet

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Originally Posted by sonatine

trump just said he's considering pardoning manafort.


here we go folks.

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where?