I am guessing in such a scenario the whole world is fucked to the point it really isn't worth worrying about, and everyone has large incentives to ensure that doesn't happen.
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I am guessing in such a scenario the whole world is fucked to the point it really isn't worth worrying about, and everyone has large incentives to ensure that doesn't happen.
Cavuto is going all-in!Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
the stormy daniels thing may be stupid but this is an entirely self-inflicted problem for trump, and not just for the obvious reason like don't bang a pornstar when married.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
trump just can't keep his mouth shut and he truly seems to enjoy lying. like, everyone lies but i've never seen anyone that truly relishes in just saying idiotic and obviously false things like he does (another reason he should not agree to a mueller interview).
everything he's said on this issue is a complete lie and is usually contradicted within 24 hours.
this video from fox news' own neil cavuto is a must watch on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxexYsisch0
https://youtu.be/YwPsFgplIj8
We live in scary times. All it takes is a rogue element, a misstep while saber rattling, or some extremists and it's on... or even an error of some sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
I have no doubt the USA has peeked as a super-power and is on the decline, and this scares me more then anything else.
Believe there is a very high possibility the USA will become more divided as the years go-by and there will be a horrendous civil war.... less something changes drastically.
It's sad, human nature and history is all about killing each other. We keep repeating history, and fail to learn. :(
Do hope I'm wrong. I dream of world peace nearly everyday.
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Originally Posted by Salty_AusI think you need to catch up with the times.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
Perhaps 30 years ago their military was a bit LOL
The USA has a lot of aircraft carriers, the Chinese have one. Aircraft carriers are a good mobile platform to attack under-powered countries who don't have the ability to destroy your carriers.
The Chinese will target your carriers with weapons like the DF21D if they get too close, good luck stopping a carrier killer that can do in excess of Mach 10.
The new VT4 main battle tank is cheap and easy to produce, the Soviets showed the world just how important cheap and easily produced tanks are.
They also have some new aircraft. Fifth generation J31 stealth fighter for starters will be coming online very soon. The carrier based J15 is perhaps a bit LOL. The J11B copy of the Su-27SK looks very effective on the armament side of things, and it's somewhat agricultural in it's design which means it will be easy to maintain and be battle ready. They also have the new J-20 that's just come into service, sure it looks like they've copied a lot of stuff... but don't underestimate this aircraft.
Your satellites are now a soft target too. The DN3 has the ability to easily destroy your satellites. This will surely effect your advanced targeting systems among many things.
Of course they have drones too. Many we don't really know about. The ones we do know about are drones like the CAIG Wing Loong. The Chinese can build five of these for the same price as one of your Predator drones, and about thirty for one compared to the newer Reaper drone. There is about half a dozen different versions of this drone already, and the weapons it can carry are significant.
This is the future of advanced warfare in my opinion. $150 billion is a lot of unmanned drones at a significantly lower cost then your own, and the ability to build them at a much faster rate then the USA.
Obviously they have a huge amount of soldiers too, but I don't think this is really that critical.
As to the handful of nukes they have, you must have staggeringly large hands. They have over 300 warheads and reasonably advanced delivery systems including a new heavy bomber the H6K. Just about anything the USA has the Chinese have already reverse engineered, and they are exceptionally good at this. Remember they have over 50 years experience with nukes already, they tested a hydrogen bomb in the late 60's.
To weigh it all up, the USA is a more powerful military at this very moment. They're really well prepared to attack weaker countries with ease. The Chinese are not weak though, and if they ramp up for war I doubt you can compete with their ability to produce cheap and effective weapons in great numbers.
this is a weird analysis. you conclude that the US is stronger militarily but that China would catch up with the US in the event of a war. not only does this conflict with literally any article on the subject of military might, but it doesn't make logical sense. if china could easily catch up with the US, it already would have.
in any event, the discussion itself is completely pointless. there is a reason that countries with nuclear weapons don't have conventional wars with other nuclear armed countries. can you guess what that is?
I think he is arguing that China could convert civilian manufacturing infrastructure for military purposes and very quickly catch up and overtake US if they chose to. This is what the US did during WWII, and is very reasonable in some alternate universe where it was possible China and the US would get into a full scale conventional war, which would never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
this is a weird analysis. you conclude that the US is stronger militarily but that China would catch up with the US in the event of a war. not only does this conflict with literally any article on the subject of military might, but it doesn't make logical sense. if china could easily catch up with the US, it already would have.
in any event, the discussion itself is completely pointless. there is a reason that countries with nuclear weapons don't have conventional wars with other nuclear armed countries. can you guess what that is?
No shit, Sherlock. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
this is a weird analysis. you conclude that the US is stronger militarily but that China would catch up with the US in the event of a war. not only does this conflict with literally any article on the subject of military might, but it doesn't make logical sense. if china could easily catch up with the US, it already would have.
in any event, the discussion itself is completely pointless. there is a reason that countries with nuclear weapons don't have conventional wars with other nuclear armed countries. can you guess what that is?
Ummm, why would they want to have the strongest military in the world?
Not like they invade countries willy-nilly and need it to prop up their interests in foreign lands.... they are more then capable to defend themselves, and they are not right now dependent on hostile activities.
I don't think logic is your strong point, attack China and you will awaken the sleeping giant.
Yeah it's pointless, no way the USA or anyone attacks China in the foreseeable future!
What Country are you from Salty_Aus if you don't mind I ask, because you seem to have a deluded understanding of this stuff....
When you get a chance, please explain how you're going to do this? You do realize China is the largest foreign holder of US debt already?Quote:
Originally Posted by garrett
"First we are going to squash them Economically and then when they are weak enough, we will destroy them Militarily.
EZ Game"
The chances of a USA China "conventional war" at any point on the reasonable horizon rounds to 0.0%
It doesn't matter is China is "as strong" as the USA because they are already = where it counts. Same with the U.K., France, Israel, India, Pakistan, China, Russia and DPRK.
People think of China as an enemy. The truth is they are our best friends. Most people think the US Economy is a fraud. Truth if he matter is China is 10x worse. The malinvestment in China Infrastructure is on a scale much higher than the mortgage crisis of 2008. Most people think it's the US economy that's going to take down china and they are propping us up. The truth is it's the other way around, or at the very least more in the middle.
Yup, you depend on each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
All this enemy talk just gives me the shits, it serves no reasonable purpose.
Investing in infrastructure can't be that bad a thing though can it?
The speed in which China are building HUGE infrastructure works is quite amazing, and the USA's infrastructure is crumbling.
Don't think you'll be changing your ways too soon, you're addicted to that cheap Chinese stuff... just like the rest of the world. :)
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Originally Posted by Salty_AusWhen you get a chance, please explain how you're going to do this? You do realize China is the largest foreign holder of US debt already?Quote:
Originally Posted by garrett
"First we are going to squash them Economically and then when they are weak enough, we will destroy them Militarily.
EZ Game"
We leveraged our debt on China to such an extent that if they decide to get squirmy, we can just not pay it..
That would be the tipping point of an already fragile Economy that's being propped up by artificial growth, and currency manipulation. It's not that hard to tumble China if you think about it, when most there debt is leveraged against 1 super-powerful country, the U.S.
beyond that is Top Secret :D
Not pay them? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by garrettQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
We leveraged our debt on China to such an extent that if they decide to get squirmy, we can just not pay it..
That would be the tipping point of an already fragile Economy that's being propped up by artificial growth, and currency manipulation. It's not that hard to tumble China if you think about it, when most there debt is leveraged against 1 super-powerful country, the U.S.
beyond that is Top Secret :D
Guess you can also stop them from dumping that debt too in your fantasy land? (no reason they would want to do this anyway as it will hurt them too)
I don't think you quite grasp basic concepts.
Fun fact: depending on the day of the week it may actually be Japan and not China that is the biggest non US holder of debt.
Japan is the biggest seller of US debt right now, and I believe the China figures are higher then reported.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Second fun fact: Russia is the biggest buyer right now. :)
I don't even know where to start with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrettQuote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
We leveraged our debt on China to such an extent that if they decide to get squirmy, we can just not pay it..
That would be the tipping point of an already fragile Economy that's being propped up by artificial growth, and currency manipulation. It's not that hard to tumble China if you think about it, when most there debt is leveraged against 1 super-powerful country, the U.S.
beyond that is Top Secret :D
but the US would just do the same thing.....Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaardI think he is arguing that China could convert civilian manufacturing infrastructure for military purposes and very quickly catch up and overtake US if they chose to. This is what the US did during WWII, and is very reasonable in some alternate universe where it was possible China and the US would get into a full scale conventional war, which would never happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
also actual wars between superpowers would take weeks and not years like during WW2. there would be no time to "catch up" with the US. entire countries would be leveled within a month or within days if either side wanted it, which they would.
yet another reason why this whole conversation is idiotic. (not directed at you, i realize this is salty aus's bizarre thread derail.)
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Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
glad we're on the same page
I didn't derail shit. I merely pointed out attacking China was a real bad idea... a point SOMEONE ELSE made first!Quote:
Originally Posted by blakebut the US would just do the same thing.....Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
also actual wars between superpowers would take weeks and not years like during WW2. there would be no time to "catch up" with the US. entire countries would be leveled within a month or within days if either side wanted it, which they would.
yet another reason why this whole conversation is idiotic. (not directed at you, i realize this is salty aus's bizarre thread derail.)
ok glad we agree that nuclear powers going to war would end very badly for the globe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_AusI didn't derail shit. I merely pointed out attacking China was a real bad idea... a point SOMEONE ELSE made first!Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
Perhaps you can brush up on your reading and comprehension skills next time, before you go-off half cocked.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeok glad we agree that nuclear powers going to war would end very badly for the globe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salty_Aus
BAH
Please startQuote:
Originally Posted by DalyI don't even know where to start with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrett
id like to hear a bankers perspective on all this
For starters you can't default on the 1T china owned debt and stand behind the other 20T floating around. Either we stand behind the 21T or all of it becomes worthless. If the full faith and credit of the United States is tainted allong with the US Dollar the whole thing comes crashing down. And when I say "the whole thing" I mean "The whole thing" - picture 1929 all over again and on a world wide level.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrettPlease startQuote:
Originally Posted by Daly
id like to hear a bankers perspective on all this
China wouldn't get fucked by losing the $1T, that would be a small sideshow to the collapse of the world wide economy.
LMAO.... says who, the big banks/college professor types who create these minion type beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DalyFor starters you can't default on the 1T china owned debt and stand behind the other 20T floating around. Either we stand behind the 21T or all of it becomes worthless. If the full faith and credit of the United States is tainted allong with the US Dollar the whole thing comes crashing down. And when I say "the whole thing" I mean "The whole thing" - picture 1929 all over again and on a world wide level.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrett
China wouldn't get fucked by losing the $1T, that would be a small sideshow to the collapse of the world wide economy.
Of course we could default on 1/20th of our net debt. And to a Country trying to currency manipulate us, and destroy our sovereignty in the same regard. It wouldn't be pretty, but laughing that you think we cant do that.
Garett I'm one of the few who like you here. And trust me when I say you don;t know what you are talking about here.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrettLMAO.... says who, the big banks/college professor types who create these minion type beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Of course we could default on 1/20th of our net debt. And to a Country trying to currency manipulate us, and destroy our sovereignty in the same regard. It wouldn't be pretty, but laughing that you think we cant do that.
garrett, what everyone's trying to say is that if other countries even think it's *remotely* conceivable that the US can ever decide to default on anyone, the debt becomes unsellable. the US would no longer be able to borrow money, and thus no longer able to pay any of its bills, which would only be one small part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrettLMAO.... says who, the big banks/college professor types who create these minion type beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Of course we could default on 1/20th of our net debt. And to a Country trying to currency manipulate us, and destroy our sovereignty in the same regard. It wouldn't be pretty, but laughing that you think we cant do that.
We can't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrettLMAO.... says who, the big banks/college professor types who create these minion type beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daly
Of course we could default on 1/20th of our net debt. And to a Country trying to currency manipulate us, and destroy our sovereignty in the same regard. It wouldn't be pretty, but laughing that you think we cant do that.
Sooo...John Kerry has been shitting on the Logan Act all year.
I blame General Flynn.
And "the large part of the problem" would be the instant nullification of the United States Dollar as the worlds reserve currency.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakegarrett, what everyone's trying to say is that if other countries even think it's *remotely* conceivable that the US can ever decide to default on anyone, the debt becomes unsellable. the US would no longer be able to borrow money, and thus no longer able to pay any of its bills, which would only be one small part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrett
Economicaly we would be better off of North Korea dropped a Nuke on LA.
This is all in President Trumps wheel house, who better to leverage debt as tool, it's the art of the deal.......
Sounds like a Russian firm who has been indicted by Mueller is requesting discovery he can't provide. This may lead to him stepping down.
The truth about Trump turns into the truth about Mueller.
Get a grip, for your own good.Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Devidee is baking bread, the question is does the bread rise?????
ppl who don't know muh russia was a political scam call other ppl crazy, hehQuote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerGet a grip, for your own good.Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Honestly ppl if u didn't know muh russia was fake from the get go, ur basically a trained dog. Sorry, but it's basically true
John mccain disinvites Trump to his funeral. So obviously the guy with brain cancer tanked the obamacare repeal out of spite then
Libtards actually believe they are on the right side of history and call me a retard lol
He did it because it was the right thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
and stopping the tax bill wasn't?
Think about it moron: You are some guy in 2050 reading the history books and it says "John I love war McCain had brain cancer and flip flopped the deciding vote on the healthcare bill"Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerHe did it because it was the right thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
So you are of the opinion that maybe the biggest neocon stooge there is will be looked at as one of the greatest men of our generation then??
The FBI just cleared Flynn.
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
www.TotalBullshit.comQuote:
Originally Posted by El GalloSource?Quote:
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