It brings her a larger portion of the Bernie Supporters.Quote:
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It brings her a larger portion of the Bernie Supporters.Quote:
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Find me a historical election where party members don't fall in line?Quote:
Originally Posted by El GalloIt brings her a larger portion of the Bernie Supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
Sure Stein might get 2.5-3%, but at the end of the day swing voters matter, and have mattered since WWII.
There are a lot more blue collar working Democrats in swing states than bleeding heart leftists.
It's the literal disconnect between people who live on the coasts and people who live in swing states.
She needs to win Ohio, Penn, Mich.
Not win Massachusetts 65-35 instead of 60-35.
Not only that, but a lot of Bernie supporters are labeling Warren a sellout, and aren't going to be swayed by her inclusion.
LOL......
Donald Trump used money donated for charity to buy himself a Tim Tebow-signed football helmet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...met/?tid=sm_fb
Easy. 1964. A significant number of establishment GOPers worked publicly and behind the scenes to undermine/derail Goldwater formally get nominated at the convention, as well as speak out against him afterwards. And Goldwater was a sitting US senator!Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83Find me a historical election where party members don't fall in line?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
Sure Stein might get 2.5-3%, but at the end of the day swing voters matter, and have mattered since WWII.
There are a lot more blue collar working Democrats in swing states than bleeding heart leftists.
It's the literal disconnect between people who live on the coasts and people who live in swing states.
She needs to win Ohio, Penn, Mich.
Not win Massachusetts 65-35 instead of 60-35.
Conventions are literally made up of the party elite, not your average party member.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyEasy. 1964. A significant number of establishment GOPers worked publicly and behind the scenes to undermine/derail Goldwater formally get nominated at the convention, as well as speak out against him afterwards. And Goldwater was a sitting US senator!Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
Your average party member is voting Dem or Repub based on the letter behind the candidates name regardless of what they say or stand for.
Didn't happen in 1964. LBJ absolutely crushed Goldwater in the general election. I'll let you mumble up the stats on your.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83Conventions are literally made up of the party elite, not your average party member.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Your average party member is voting Dem or Repub based on the letter behind the candidates name regardless of what they say or stand for.
In fact, it also didnt happen for McGovern in 1972, when Nixon smashed the upstart liberal dark horse anti-war senator from South Dakota. And it didnt help that McGovern's first pick for a VP (Eagleton) had to bow out over the revelation that he'd had electroshock therapy to threat depression, something McGovern's team hadn't uncovered when vetting him.
(Side note: If you like American political history and have time to listen to another podcast, I highly recommend Bruce Carlson's "My History Can Beat Up Your Politics".)
P.S. Also applies to Reagan in 1984. In fact, that was probably the year that cemented the notion of 'Reagan Democrats'. Because a LOT of Dems, mostly blue collar folks, voted for Reagan, giving him a clear "mandate".
Is Alex Jones juicing and hitting up the local tanning bed? I didn't see that coming.
Rogan probably got him to try TRT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1kW...?v=U1kWOCLPTQ8
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DJChaps: Alex Jones looks like a Greek God. I'd love to be his personal cum guzzler, yummy.
Me: Gross, quit pming me fag.
My parents were democrats and voted for reagan twice. He was union and worked in a business related to the philly shipyards. He hated carter because he fucked up the economy and was soft on the russians. And he hated that guy with the female vice president who ran against reagan in the mext election. He thought that was a gimmick and didnt want his taxes raised like the democrat candidate (mondole?) promised to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyDidn't happen in 1964. LBJ absolutely crushed Goldwater in the general election. I'll let you mumble up the stats on your.Quote:
Originally Posted by abrown83
In fact, it also didnt happen for McGovern in 1972, when Nixon smashed the upstart liberal dark horse anti-war senator from South Dakota. And it didnt help that McGovern's first pick for a VP (Eagleton) had to bow out over the revelation that he'd had electroshock therapy to threat depression, something McGovern's team hadn't uncovered when vetting him.
(Side note: If you like American political history and have time to listen to another podcast, I highly recommend Bruce Carlson's "My History Can Beat Up Your Politics".)
P.S. Also applies to Reagan in 1984. In fact, that was probably the year that cemented the notion of 'Reagan Democrats'. Because a LOT of Dems, mostly blue collar folks, voted for Reagan, giving him a clear "mandate".
This should help shake the cobwebs free.....Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyPaperMy parents were democrats and voted for reagan twice. He was union and worked in a business related to the philly shipyards. He hated carter because he fucked up the economy and was soft on the russians. And he hated that guy with the female vice president who ran against reagan in the mext election. He thought that was a gimmick and didnt want his taxes raised like the democrat candidate (mondole?) promised to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Maybe Carter really did suck but I imagine the MSM gave Carter the Bernie treatment and that was in the pre internet days. It's really hard to overstate how bad the media and both party establishment exposed themselves this election. If Bernie still gets in the White House that would be epic.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyPaperMy parents were democrats and voted for reagan twice. He was union and worked in a business related to the philly shipyards. He hated carter because he fucked up the economy and was soft on the russians. And he hated that guy with the female vice president who ran against reagan in the mext election. He thought that was a gimmick and didnt want his taxes raised like the democrat candidate (mondole?) promised to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
There's only one well known journalist that's still credible. ONE!!! Cenk Uygur I was watching this clip and it became clear that Cenk would of been the best replacement for Jon Stewart on TDS. He can be almost as funny as Jon Stewart w/o the help of writers. He should of changed his name like Stewart but it's to late now. People try to pretend John Oliver's funny but he's not, he's not even remotely funny. Trevor Noah doesn't have it either.
Perfect Stewart replacement imo I didn't see it at the time but yea I bet most of his viewers are ex TDS fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIuZIJvbm8
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Shame for your dad and the rest of us that Reagan was a scab union busting sellout to the rich posQuote:
Originally Posted by FlyPaperMy parents were democrats and voted for reagan twice. He was union and worked in a business related to the philly shipyards. He hated carter because he fucked up the economy and was soft on the russians. And he hated that guy with the female vice president who ran against reagan in the mext election. He thought that was a gimmick and didnt want his taxes raised like the democrat candidate (mondole?) promised to do.Quote:
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Originally Posted by big dickShame for your dad and the rest of us that Reagan was a scab union busting sellout to the rich posQuote:
Originally Posted by FlyPaper
trickle down. we are still waiting for it.
fuckin reganomics. great job merica.
bout all I can say about it.
Trickle down was for most folks a trickle of piss on their heads, but my father did much better with reagan as president than if carter was reelected. As i said my father worked in a business rrlated to shipbuilding and reagan boosted spending on ship building. If not for that, he wouldnt have been to afford to move us to a better school district in the philly suburbs.Quote:
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Originally Posted by big dick
trickle down. we are still waiting for it.
fuckin reganomics. great job merica.
bout all I can say about it.
Plus my father didnt think white collar job unions were legit. He thought that unions were best at protecting guys who worked physical jobs that were dangerous or wore you out by the time you were old enough to retire. And he hated how the teachers would scare the shit out us kids when their contracts were up for renegotiation or there was a school spending bill to be voted on. They would pass, school taxes would go up and school performance got steadily worse anyways.
Oh, and he thought those air traffic controllers were just greedy fucks and was glad they got fired.
Shit. Im rambling. Played poker all night at parx. Got my ass handed to me by some allin jokers and have been up since going over the fucking hands i lost against them. And im now convinced they were colluding even though they loudly argued with each about some hands. Fffffuuuuuuuccccccckkkk! I need some sleep
I totally called it haha. I didn't expect it to be Sarah Palin who fulfilled my prediction that conservatives would act like the UN is here to disarm Americans. The shit the C.E.C. pulls can't hold a candle to the Clinton News Network CNN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxmOHM00gEY
Modern labor unions are a disaster.
They only benefit the incompetent/lazy employees who have been there for 30 years.
Any attempt to tear apart that model is a good thing.
The mob in philly definitely fucked with the rank and file union members there. There are some stories that my father told me that he said pissed him off to the point where he almost risked his job to bring that shit out in the public. But he feared getting screwed regarding his job, or worse, if he spoke up. Too tired write now to give details. For another time.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Look at any chart on inequality and you can trace a large part of the problem to the decline of unions.
But is the decline of unions a symptom of the same factor responsible for greater inequality, or a cause of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Look at any chart on inequality and you can trace a large part of the problem to the decline of unions.
How does a chart allow one to trace the cause of income inequality?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Look at any chart on inequality and you can trace a large part of the problem to the decline of unions.
Do you know many union employees? Ask the ones who haven't been there for a long time what they think of the union. Their answers might surprise you.
Do you realize that the sorry state of education in the US is partially due to teachers' unions? Are you aware that bad teachers in public school cannot be fired if they have tenure, unless they do something really horrendous?
Do you think that companies hampered by high salaries and benefits for manual labor employees can compete in the global market, or even in the domestic market where non-union alternatives exist?
I guess some people here are still under the delusion that unions help the average worker, while those who oppose unions are heartless corporate apologists.
Biggest factor here. From the late 1990s to now, about 250 million workers have entered the global labor force due to China's breakneck manufacturing-for-export boom alone. In fact, the textile industry jobs that moved from South Carolina to Mexico with the adoption of NAFTA in the early 1990s got moved to China in the 2000s. And now even-lower-cost Southeast Asian countries like Vietnam and Indonesia are "stealing" many of those textile jobs from China.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffHow does a chart allow one to trace the cause of income inequality?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
Do you know many union employees? Ask the ones who haven't been there for a long time what they think of the union. Their answers might surprise you.
Do you realize that the sorry state of education in the US is partially due to teachers' unions? Are you aware that bad teachers in public school cannot be fired if they have tenure, unless they do something really horrendous?
Do you think that companies hampered by high salaries and benefits for manual labor employees can compete in the global market, or even in the domestic market where non-union alternatives exist?
I guess some people here are still under the delusion that unions help the average worker, while those who oppose unions are heartless corporate apologists.
#YouCantFightGlobalization
What Druff's saying is he wants millions of dollars for himself and everyone else who's not a millionaire should work for a nickel an hour and like it. Aka eliminate the middle class. This is conservatism in a nutshell.
This is why Conservatives hate Obama care. If they have to go to the ER or something they don't want a bunch of non elite in their facilities." The non elites should just go die somewhere. Yea at the R convention they cheered for people dying w/o health ins.
They love wars unless they get drafted or have to pay for it.
That's why the right needs the behemoth C.E.C. to pump propaganda and make people vote on wedge issues like guns jesus and abortion. Without the C.E.C., corporate money and gerrymandering the GOP would be a small radical fringe group.
Politics is Druff's Achilles heel, so far gone.
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffHow does a chart allow one to trace the cause of income inequality?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
Do you know many union employees? Ask the ones who haven't been there for a long time what they think of the union. Their answers might surprise you.
Do you realize that the sorry state of education in the US is partially due to teachers' unions? Are you aware that bad teachers in public school cannot be fired if they have tenure, unless they do something really horrendous?
Do you think that companies hampered by high salaries and benefits for manual labor employees can compete in the global market, or even in the domestic market where non-union alternatives exist?
I guess some people here are still under the delusion that unions help the average worker, while those who oppose unions are heartless corporate apologists.
for such a smart guy, your really are completely out of touch and detached from reality about so many things. That bullshit about teachers unions is so outdated its ridiculous. At least in my state, teachers can (and do) get fired for poor performance, regardless of tenure. the thought that its the unions that are ruining education is so lol I dont even know where to begin
What state are you in?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
for such a smart guy, your really are completely out of touch and detached from reality about so many things. That bullshit about teachers unions is so outdated its ridiculous. At least in my state, teachers can (and do) get fired for poor performance, regardless of tenure. the thought that its the unions that are ruining education is so lol I dont even know where to begin
This is very much still going on in California (which contains 1/9 of the population) and every other state I know of.
If you're in a state which has de-empowered the horrible teacher's unions, congrats to your state. It's not like that in most places.
Do teachers get fired for poor performance? Sure. If they've only been working as teachers for a relatively short time, they don't have nearly as much protection.
Good luck getting a teacher with tenure fired, though. They pretty much have to either stop showing up for work or commit a crime against a student in order to get canned.
This phenomenon isn't just exclusive to teachers, though. It's true in nearly all labor unions. Those with seniority have immense and undeserved protection, while those just starting out are paying dues and getting little in return. It's a highly corrupt, inefficient, and unfair system.
Have you ever been to a union supermarket before where the checker is rude/incompetent/unfriendly? Ever notice that it tends to be the older employees with a badge saying things like, "A proud employee since 1984"? That's what unions are doing for this country.
Sure, a rude supermarket checker isn't the end of the world, but bad/lazy teachers are much more serious, as is the situation where pay has skyrocketed in certain union professions to where companies are either struggling or passing on the cost to the consumer.
Unions were necessary a century ago when worker's rights were shit. Nowadays, unions have grown out of control and their benefit disproportionately favors the undeserving few while harming the many.
Government-worker unions (including teachers) are the absolute worst, though.
At least the consumer has the right to stay away from a union shop if their prices are high or the service is poor.
So if I go to Albertson's and the checker is nasty to me, I can go to a non-union shop down the street.
However, I cannot do the same when dealing with an abusive/incompetent public service employee. I am stuck enduring the situation. Regarding schools, I am stuck with the unpalatable choice of either dealing with it, or spending a fortune to send my children to private school.
It's just a horrible situation, and these unions have no place in public service.
I could write a Magna Carta length posting on government unions. My wife was a mid level manager at the VAand got forced into a joke posistion because she tried to take on the Union and lost.
LOL you guys watching the FBI's statement on Hillary's e-mail?
The FBI director sat there for 15 minutes or so jerking us off by telling us all the things Hillary did wrong and where she was shady/careless, but then just dropped the bomb that they're recommending to the DOJ to not prosecute her.
So they put out the beginning criticism as fluff so it looked like an impartial investigation, and then dropped the unfortunate (and long-obvious) truth that she's skating away on this one, just like she has done with everything else for the past 25 years.
Government corruption = JOKE
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Originally Posted by Dan DruffHow does a chart allow one to trace the cause of income inequality?Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
Do you know many union employees? Ask the ones who haven't been there for a long time what they think of the union. Their answers might surprise you.
Do you realize that the sorry state of education in the US is partially due to teachers' unions? Are you aware that bad teachers in public school cannot be fired if they have tenure, unless they do something really horrendous?
Do you think that companies hampered by high salaries and benefits for manual labor employees can compete in the global market, or even in the domestic market where non-union alternatives exist?
I guess some people here are still under the delusion that unions help the average worker, while those who oppose unions are heartless corporate apologists.
Schools are shit because teachers make shit. Who would want to be a teacher and start at 25K a year? What a terrible job.
Do you know any union employees? I live in Michigan. I know more union employees than you know people.
I just think you're wrong, not evil. You have no real world experience in the market place. Almost all your experiences that you talk about are from 20 years ago. I don't think you have a very good grasp of the labor market in general. You do spout Republican talking points particularly effectively, though.
I know a number of union employees. All of them are unhappy and think their union is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOvenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Schools are shit because teachers make shit. Who would want to be a teacher and start at 25K a year? What a terrible job.
Do you know any union employees? I live in Michigan. I know more union employees than you know people.
I just think you're wrong, not evil. You have no real world experience in the market place. Almost all your experiences that you talk about are from 20 years ago. I don't think you have a very good grasp of the labor market in general. You do spout Republican talking points particularly effectively, though.
Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I stand by all of my criticisms of modern labor unions even without such anecdotal evidence.
The average Los Angeles Unified School District teacher makes $58k, and that's before benefits and bonuses.
Not big money, but a far cry from the $25k figure you quoted.
They also have a more generous vacation schedule than any profession you can think of, especially with the almost three months off they get during the summer.
Pay isn't the issue here. Even if you're paying a teacher $200k per year, if he feels he can't be fired due to tenure, he will often get lazy. Higher salary doesn't necessarily equal better performance.
Our Democracy is gone, holy shit!!!!!
So it wasn't a lack of evidence the first time the Clintons escaped charges.
Comey was their homey.
WOW 12 plus agents, over a year of investigations, immunity agreements, many servers, not one single charge. Hell yeah there's a two tiered criminal justice system.
Let me go get a some coffee, maybe i'll wake up from this dream. HA Goodman's response is going to be interesting.
They purged me and thousands of our right to vote, then this shit. Stay home or protest vote for Trump, hmmmm
Boy the Republicans got this one right, they didn't even have doubts. The Clintons have been tooling them around for decades. That's worth something, yea let them bow to the cackling pansuit for a couple terms.
Wait a minute, the whole Benghazi thing was pure 100% grade A bullshit. So this server stuff was fruits of a poisonous tree. hmmmm.
I wonder if Huma is still in the Clinton circle of trust, ah whatever.
It burned me up when Republicans ran around acting like George W. Bush was doing a huckuva job(some still do lol). So I'm going to do the same to them w Hillary. Time to extract a lil personal satisfaction.
Can't beat em join em
America's grandmother
The most competent woman in the world
Hillary 2016
I'm out...
What a sham. I guess the only way HRC is gonna get indicted by the Feds is if she starts an online poker site.
Three issues with how you use the salary figures here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI know a number of union employees. All of them are unhappy and think their union is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I stand by all of my criticisms of modern labor unions even without such anecdotal evidence.
The average Los Angeles Unified School District teacher makes $58k, and that's before benefits and bonuses.
Not big money, but a far cry from the $25k figure you quoted.
They also have a more generous vacation schedule than any profession you can think of, especially with the almost three months off they get during the summer.
Pay isn't the issue here. Even if you're paying a teacher $200k per year, if he feels he can't be fired due to tenure, he will often get lazy. Higher salary doesn't necessarily equal better performance.
1) The average of $58k prolly is skewed downward by the relatively new teachers who get the worst pay and likely leave after just a few years because of burnout and disillusionment. Especially when the teachers with greater seniority can angle for the easier classes/assignments.
2) The cost of living in the LA area is ridiculously high versus most other places in the US. Especially housing. So, an average of $58k in the LA area is prolly equivalent to about $35-40k in a most of the rest of the country.
3) The average expected salaries in a career has a huge impact on who self-selects to compete in it. If the average K-12 teachers in the US could reasonably expect to earned an average of $150k-200k/year starting in five years time and going forward with bumps for cost-of-living changes, the pool of college students choosing to be education majors would balloon with a ridic number of much brighter kids versus the typical bottom-of-the-college-entrance-exam students who currently opt to be future teachers. And those much-brighter kids would definitely improve the quality of teaching in our public schools.
In fact, K-12 teachers in Finland earn about double what they do in the US, and those jobs are highly competed for. And Finland is at or near the top in student skills among the OECD countries.
That being said, I completely agree that the K-12 teachers unions in the US has completely fucked up the quality of teaching in a number of major school districts, most notably, most of big urban districts, including LA's.
Don't count out Trump just yet. Still tons of people around who will vote for him.
Including this guy who put a float in a July 4th parade in Indiana.
http://images.dailykos.com/images/27...jpg?1467741372
LOL @ druff thinking he knows anything about unions or how people in them feel about their union. druff go fuck yourself and grind poker(which I'm sure you hate just as much as your programming job) and talk about things you know about like, who's tweeting about someone else and social justice whatever I'm done.
n-word LogicQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffI know a number of union employees. All of them are unhappy and think their union is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I stand by all of my criticisms of modern labor unions even without such anecdotal evidence.
The average Los Angeles Unified School District teacher makes $58k, and that's before benefits and bonuses.
Not big money, but a far cry from the $25k figure you quoted.
They also have a more generous vacation schedule than any profession you can think of, especially with the almost three months off they get during the summer.
Pay isn't the issue here. Even if you're paying a teacher $200k per year, if he feels he can't be fired due to tenure, he will often get lazy. Higher salary doesn't necessarily equal better performance.
A particular type of logic commonly used by n-words. The difference between n-word logic and "regular" logic is that arguments using n-word logic are logically deficient. They appear logical at first but on closer inspection they turn out to be totally illogical. Most people with average intelligence can spot n-word logic immediately but most n-words, along with retards of other races, can not.
n-word Terrence Howard told Elle Magazine that he refuses to date women who don't use moistened tissue on visits to the toilet - as they are "not completely clean".
Shits complicated. Reading Union generalizations is painful and just plain simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by SysOp
I had to do a stint project managing electrical installation of some low voltage controls in high rises in Boston.
Boston is a union town. Period.
Different electrical contractors will bid the electrical installation for a building. They all use IBEW local 103 workers from the hall.
Once they pick up a guy from the hall they realize fairly quickly whether the guy has game and is someone they want to keep.
Understand that once a job is completed the electrical workers can get turned loose. They don't get paid if they don't work. If there are no construction projects they are fucked.
Now an electrical contractor will do everything in their power to get another project lined up and continue carrying the good foremen and crew. Turn the shitbags loose.
Local 103 quality was several orders of magnitude better than non Union shops that worked the suburbs. You spec a piece of work to be installed and they would do it right and to code. They didn't give a fuck if you or their shop priced it wrong. They would not cut corners. You would not rush them. They cared about their reputation and if you fucked with them on these issues the union would stomp you.
The good skilled guys wanted to continue working project to project uninterrupted.
Their apprentice training and classroom was Harvard compared to the scumbag non Union outfits.
Go to a non Union job and you would see workers throwing wire nuts down the hallway rather than walk it. Shitty tools and pressure from the owner always meant corners cut and hack work. They sucked and were a project managers nightmare.
Such generalizations about unions are just plain naive. Some are good and maybe some suck. Maybe there are other issues at play where no worker Union or otherwise could succeed.
The checks and balances that unions provide in a healthy economy is valuable and often in the consumers interest.
I grt the clown driving that clown car has less than 10 teethin his mouthQuote:
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Originally Posted by SanlmarShits complicated. Reading Union generalizations is painful and just plain simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by SysOp
I had to do a stint project managing electrical installation of some low voltage controls in high rises in Boston.
Boston is a union town. Period.
Different electrical contractors will bid the electrical installation for a building. They all use IBEW local 103 workers from the hall.
Once they pick up a guy from the hall they realize fairly quickly whether the guy has game and is someone they want to keep.
Understand that once a job is completed the electrical workers can get turned loose. They don't get paid if they don't work. If there are no construction projects they are fucked.
Now an electrical contractor will do everything in their power to get another project lined up and continue carrying the good foremen and crew. Turn the shitbags loose.
Local 103 quality was several orders of magnitude better than non Union shops that worked the suburbs. You spec a piece of work to be installed and they would do it right and to code. They didn't give a fuck if you or their shop priced it wrong. They would not cut corners. You would not rush them. They cared about their reputation and if you fucked with them on these issues the union would stomp you.
The good skilled guys wanted to continue working project to project uninterrupted.
Their apprentice training and classroom was Harvard compared to the scumbag non Union outfits.
Go to a non Union job and you would see workers throwing wire nuts down the hallway rather than walk it. Shitty tools and pressure from the owner always meant corners cut and hack work. They sucked and were a project managers nightmare.
Such generalizations about unions are just plain naive. Some are good and maybe some suck. Maybe there are other issues at play where no worker Union or otherwise could succeed.
The checks and balances that unions provide in a healthy economy is valuable and often in the consumers interest.
very well said sir.