Stones livestream player Mike Postle accused of "live superusing"

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Had mixed opinions about Berkey prior to this whole debacle, but I've thought much more highly of him since watching his attempts to come up with evidence against Postle.

Here's an interesting video where he shows what might have been Postle's "phone in the crotch" cheating method:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qar90n6teQ

He didn't even realize at the time that someone on 2+2 had previously posted a pic of Mike's phone having a blue screen, which makes more sense now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGZBKKrU...g&name=360x360

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Berkey has always annoyed me as a player coming off a bit of a douchebag with a superiority complex akin but not as bad as a certain player who’s name sounds like A lick Tor el lee. (He doesn’t deserve any google mojo). But Berkey has always seemed to be at least an honorable guy and straight player at the table the type who would call out shit if he saw it and would be the kind of a guy if he was a cop would write a ticket to his own grandma if she was speeding 😂.

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Originally Posted by ftpjesus

Berkey has always annoyed me as a player coming off a bit of a douchebag with a superiority complex akin but not as bad as a certain player who’s name sounds like A lick Tor el lee. (He doesn’t deserve any google mojo). But Berkey has always seemed to be at least an honorable guy and straight player at the table the type who would call out shit if he saw it and would be the kind of a guy if he was a cop would write a ticket to his own grandma if she was speeding ��.

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That was my impression, too.

I never had any real interactions with the guy, but he seemed arrogant from what I had seen of him on livestreams and social media.

However, as you said, he's never had a reputation for being dishonest, and he put in a lot of time on this situation in trying to figure out exactly what Postle was doing. Made me think better of him.

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXZibOC0gmI

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Had mixed opinions about Berkey prior to this whole debacle, but I've thought much more highly of him since watching his attempts to come up with evidence against Postle.

Here's an interesting video where he shows what might have been Postle's "phone in the crotch" cheating method:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qar90n6teQ

He didn't even realize at the time that someone on 2+2 had previously posted a pic of Mike's phone having a blue screen, which makes more sense now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGZBKKrU...g&name=360x360

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Don't get me wrong as I think Mike is guilty as fuck. But the blue screen on the phone....if you look at the top of the phone it looks like a white search bar and the blue "could" be his wallpaper and only have a few icons at the bottom of the phone that we can not see. And the image is very poor quality.

(5 mins later)

I just now found the slow motion video of this and the top white bar appears to be a light reflection. Check it out here

https://streamable.com/0a3bw

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Originally Posted by Shizzmoney

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXZibOC0gmI

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Yeah that's a pretty bad one.

Good rundown by Doug.

Notice Postle laughing as he folds, like he's internally laughing at how he made top pair but has to fold, and how versus anyone else, his opponent would have made big money from that card.

Haven't listened yet, but Joey Ingram on the Ryen Russillo podcast on the ringer today.

https://www.theringer.com/2019/10/9/...ssillo-podcast

Gordman found an interesting thread in /rpoker in which the commenter identified the exact time and session in which Postle started cheating and copied it into the related thread on Flying Stupidity. It’s great stuff but I don’t see a copy posted here, so, I’ve copied it here in case folks aren’t looking at that thread. Great stuff.

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...l=1#post864550

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Originally Posted by Gordman

I found an interesting post made in the past day on r/poker from a guy who basically went through and analyzed all of his sessions in the past couple of years and spliced them in an easy to see and understand video:

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So I am a professional poker player from the SE. I also have some experience in creating content and using things like Sony Vegas.

So I was engaged by this whole situation early this week, so I, like many, have been watching Postle hands all week.

I decided to take all of his videos from 2018, from the very beginning in January, till the end which was Dec 17th, 2018, and cut all footage of his hands and place them on a timeline in Sony Vegas.

I have cut clips from every NLHE session from Jan until July of 2018. I then ran them at 12x-20x speeds which allowed me to simply view hours and hours of nothing but him playing cards throughout.

I am currently rendering that video timeline for others to see.

As I was cutting, at the end of July 18th 2018 stream, I noticed for the first time in a cut that Mike did not have his phone on the table. So I stopped. Went back to the beginning of the stream and he had it on the table. Went back to middle and it was on the table. So at 2:01, pretty much dead middle of the stream, Mike sits back and drinks his water, and he puts his phone between his legs. He then scoots toward table and then looks back at the phone to make sure he can see it. You can see in the clip that mike has the phone on the chair in between his legs.

I go back to the first session cuts, and start running the video at 12x, through every session from Jan 2018 until that moment. Not a single moment in 6 months does Mike's body language change, or his phone move off the table. No hands in his lap, no looking into his lap, no grabbing his head, until 2:01 on July 18th stream.

I had watched the majority of the streams previous to July 18th and remembered a number of spots Mike called bad on river or bluffed into sets. For example on a K108x9 flop with like 4 hearts mike called off bad with K9 vs a Jack high flush, and bluffed into a set of 2's in another session. In every session before July 18th, if you go through you will find a mistake.

In those sessions, previous to July 18th at 2:01 you will also find he never cold calls 3 bets with weak holdings, many times folding decent hands to 3 and 4 bets. You will even see that he folds to a 3 bet in the July 18th episode before the 2:01 mark.

Before I move on, note his playing frequency. He played twice in January on back to back days. Doesn't play again till Feb 12th, then again on the 21st. Doesn't play again until April 19, then another month later on May 23rd, then a month later again in June on the 9th. Before July, he has 7 sessions in 6 months on live stream. Obviously he is playing somewhere else.

Between July 1 and August 6th, he has 6 sessions in a month vs 7 sessions for the previous 6 months.

In the previous 7 sessions before July 18th at 2:01, he earned $855 on average per session including his PLO sessions.

In the 7 sessions following the July 18th session, he averaged $4000 dollars per session for $27, 750 dollars total.

Going back to sessions.

If you look at the footage on July 18th after the 2:01 mark you will see one of the first cold call 3 bets with 52 offsuit vs KK. In this hand, Mike makes a blatant look at his phone between his legs after the 3 bettor leads into him. The board had flopped a 2. He looked back and saw KK, and folded.

In other sessions right after the July 18th 2:01 mark, you will see the same behavior time after time. And this same behavior continues for a year and a half.

Once you see all of the pre July 18th 2:01 footage sped up at 12x speeds, the cheating becomes so obvious its unbelievable how clear it is.

The hand analysis of hands pre July 18th and post July 18th 100% back up the physical tell / change he makes to his entire poker game, the increased frequency of playing also confirms a change on July 18th, his winnings back up a change on July 18th after the 2:01 mark. On July 18th at 2:01, you can literally watch GOD be born. His cold calling 3bet frequency increases, his soul reads in general are never the same again.

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With the evidence of the the hand analysis, him telling people who's cards are not reading they need to fix their cards as Joey Ingram streamed tonight, and the other mountain of evidence, the only thing that was missing was when and how.

Well to prove he cheated, and how he cheated, you first must figure out when he cheated. To figure out when he cheated, you must figure out when he didn't cheat. Mike Postle didn't cheat before July 18th mid way through stream, and you can see in that moment him start his cheat.

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I also believe, though I have not went through it, that if you follow through from that point, that you will see his cheating evolve from having the phone in his lap and arms on the table, to keeping an arm down there. I believe this was to keep the phone active due to it going to silent or locking. He then goes away from his looking straight down, as he does on July 18th, to later his patent turn my head straight down with my hat forward and don't mind me I'm just checking my hole cards. I think you will also see that not too long after the July 18th episode and a few episodes after, Mike moves almost exclusively to the 2 seat for obvious reasons.

Once I have a video complete, I will share some of these examples I have used here to show mistakes before July 18th and some of the most blatant physical tells he is looking at his phone during the most insane situations after the 18th session.

I have held out the potential for this man to somehow to have not cheated, but once you see when it starts, it's as clear as day what is going on. He cheated.

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https://youtu.be/2aGD4FYX9NA

https://youtu.be/0zYySMEWzE0

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COPY of a post I made on the other thread using stills from the time lapse vid that show Postle starting to use his phone in his lap.

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Originally Posted by Gordman

I found an interesting post made in the past day on r/poker from a guy who basically went through and analyzed all of his sessions in the past couple of years and spliced them in an easy to see and understand video:
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https://youtu.be/0zYySMEWzE0

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This time lapse one is great material, but the juice is at the end. At about 33 minutes and change, Postle plays his last hand before moving his phone to his lap. He loses that hand to a triple barrel river bluff, and even reacts in a home game fashion of displaying humorous upsetness at being so brazenly bluffed, after which his mood changes when he sets up his phone in his lap and gets down to the business of being a superuser. Here are some stills from that part of the video.

Postle’s mood is jovial as he contemplates how to respond to villain’s river bet pre-phone-in-lap:



Chatting to opponent just before folding:



While next hand starts, Postle preps his phone...



... and starts to place it...



...on the seat between his legs.



Done!



As he slides his chair back towards the table, he’s careful to keep his torso away from the table to have clearance to see his phone when he lowers his head to spy it.



But before he has a chance to check his phone, someone walking behind him catches his attention, causing him to quickly swivel his head around to see where they are.



And as this person moves behind him, Postle then glances to the other side to see if they have passed.



Satisfied that the interloper can’t see his phone, he drops his head towards his lap...



But that simple downward look apparently wasn’t giving him a clear enough view of his phone screen, so he cranes his neck to the right to get a better angle at it.



Alrighty then! Time to get serious as a superuser.

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

At higher stakes games, your analysis here makes sense. But at the low stakes in this game, not so much. Especially when your opponent makes the exaggerated check on the flop. When combined with the donk bet on the river, it’s a classic trap tell by lower stake rec player that would not see in almost any higher stake game.

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At low stakes games, you are also more likely to run into idiotic plays which don't make sense.

Hence, you can't lay down trips on a board like this for a bet that's only a little more than pot.

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I would agree with you here in this case if the opponent with A4 (who was OOP) hadn’t made the exaggerated check on the flop on this *live* game.. Players at higher stakes are likely to be more careful and not telegraph such things, but lower stakes recreational players in *live* games, not so much. OOP Players with long-shot weak hands on the flop in a multiway pot who weren’t the preflop aggressors will tend to tend to try to be invisible, checking as quietly as they can so as to not draw attention to themselves and induce a bet from the pre-flop aggressor they’d prefer to not have to call to see the turn. But one with a hidden strong hand wants to do the opposite, and the exaggerated check is an attempt to falsely advertise complete disinterest in the flop, hoping the players behind will get giggidy with it.

Again, I’m not talking about what you’d see in a higher stakes game featuring mostly pros, such as ones more frequently featured on Live at the Bike, but in the three-plus years I practically lived at the lower stakes games at Caesars AC, I can’t tell you how many time I got burned by that fake signal before wising up to it.

On now to discuss Postle and his Crotch Theory Optimal play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fUz6RcRpb0

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Originally Posted by SDouble

He's also known as a cheater in table games which has lead to him being banned from one of the biggest casino operators in the country ALONG with being a player caught going north on camera! Total scumbag that shouldn't be allowed in poker room or casino anywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHKg...ature=youtu.be

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Just watched most of this vid for the first time and I LOLed at seeing Postle using an exaggerated check in a hand to induce more action from others in the hand he knew he was crushing, when only someone in God-mode would know this.

At about 25:25, the action after the turn card falls is on Postle, were his pocket Ks are way ahead in the hand against three other opponents, including the flop aggressor, despite the board showing two As on an otherwise dry board. Here, he sits shuffling his chips for a short while, Hollywooding for his audience of suckers.



Then, getting ready to exaggeratedly-check-to-feign-weakness, he releases the chips he is shuffling in his right hand and balls it into a loose fist.



Then quite suddenly, he raises up his balled hand...



...and quickly brings it back down to knock on the table, signaling a “I’m not happy with this board” check.



Sure enough, after the two other flop limpers check, the stone-cold-bluffing flop aggressor fires a second barrel, this time a pot-size bet that was about 4x times his flop bet. Postle then practically snap-calls that huge turn bet with two players still behind to act, but did so rather smoothly, as if to say “Don’t mind me (,suckers). I’m just calling because I’m a donkey.”

(Sure you are, Mike.)

P.S. I’m not claiming to discover this example of Postle “most likely”’cheating, that was done by Joey Ingram, and included in this guys vid as an example. I just was amused to see that Postle did the exaggerated-check in a hand after I mentioned above one of his opponents doing it against him in another hand, and discussing how it’s a thing that one can readily see at lower stakes live games.

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Blowing up huge.

Also I have a friend who works as a DJ at Sirius XM who is only a casual poker player, and doesn't follow poker news. I mentioned to him that there's a "huge scandal in poker right now" and he responded, "Postle?"

Good ol' Mikey is famous now.

Second but way down the list is the PokerNews Article about WPN basically regressing into Botland and also apparently they arent paying rake out as they agreed..

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...t=pn-hp-hero-4

Video covering the story including Matt Berkey

https://www.ktnv.com/news/local-poke...ard-technology

First Stones tweets in about a week:

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Postle's got a great attorney.

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“I guess he wins a lot of hands of poker,” Portanova said. “I don’t gamble, because that’s how many hands I lose. But we don’t know what the facts are.

“I can just say this: When I play poker I lose almost every hand, so I know such streaks are possible.”

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:lol

Veronica now on with Douglas Polk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDdLIsEwaZQ

Also lol at Postle lawyer probably want to put in a fold right now if you were him and find someone else.

In Joey Ingram’s latest episode of investigating this matter, he shows some great memes that will help memorialize Mike Postle’s notable contribution to a future history of poker in our era.

https://youtu.be/3i6SczPwMRY

Can any lay person detect if they are playing with an rfid deck? Or is it impossible to tell? Just curious

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Postle's got a great attorney.

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“I guess he wins a lot of hands of poker,” Portanova said. “I don’t gamble, because that’s how many hands I lose. But we don’t know what the facts are.

“I can just say this: When I play poker I lose almost every hand, so I know such streaks are possible.”

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well we all know where some of that $300K is NOT going to...

jesus fucking Christ, how can a person this fucking stupid be a lawyer? wonder if postle hired this person from an evil empire approved list...

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Postle's got a great attorney.



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well we all know where some of that $300K is NOT going to...

jesus fucking Christ, how can a person this fucking stupid be a lawyer? wonder if postle hired this person from an evil empire approved list...

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Starting at about 22:15 of Episode #10 of Joey Ingram’s investigation of this matter, Ingram discusses the lawsuit, including mentioning the reported reputation of Postle’s attorney and the likely legal strategy behind that seemingly ridiculous comment by that attorney. Turns out that his attorney is very experienced with both prosecuting and defending fraud cases and has a tremendous legal reputation in that area. And that it is a common used lawyerly tactic to make such “blustering” comments for public consumption to help sway public opinion before a trial even though it would have zero point zero evidentiary value within the courtroom in a trial.

https://youtu.be/3i6SczPwMRY

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Originally Posted by GambleBotsChafedPenis

well we all know where some of that $300K is NOT going to...

jesus fucking Christ, how can a person this fucking stupid be a lawyer? wonder if postle hired this person from an evil empire approved list...

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Starting at about 22:15 of Episode #10 of Joey Ingram’s investigation of this matter, Ingram discusses the lawsuit, including mentioning the reported reputation of Postle’s attorney and the likely legal strategy behind that seemingly ridiculous comment by that attorney. Turns out that his attorney is very experienced with both prosecuting and defending fraud cases and has a tremendous legal reputation in that area. And that it is a common used lawyerly tactic to make such “blustering” comments for public consumption to help sway public opinion before a trial even though it would have zero point zero evidentiary value within the courtroom in a trial.

https://youtu.be/3i6SczPwMRY

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When Justin is hustling the other commentator on stream on that first hand Joey shows. No shame...

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Can any lay person detect if they are playing with an rfid deck? Or is it impossible to tell? Just curious

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Yes.

They're bigger, heavier, and more difficult to handle. I remember when I played at Stones, when the stream was done, we switched away from them, and went to regular cards, because they were easier to use.

Veronica getting Postle exposure karma:

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the guy is obv guilty of something but they have zero evidence

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Originally Posted by mulva

the guy is obv guilty of something but they have zero evidence

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There’s loads of evidence

I don't think I mentioned this yet regarding the Verstandig-led lawsuit against Postle/Justin/Stones.

One of the attorneys listed in the filing is Kelly Minkin.

Yes, THAT Kelly Minkin.

I learned earlier this year that she was an attorney, but I had been led to believe that she was non-practicing -- at least since she got more into poker.

Then suddenly she was listed as one of the attorneys working with Verstandig.

What?!

Apparently she joined Verstandig's firm "a few months ago". I don't know how much actual litigating experience she has. It's possible Verstandig added her simply because she's an attorney who understands poker, so she can be useful in that regard. Of course, Verstandig is also an attorney who plays poker, so is another one really necessary?

Overall, I have respect for Minkin, but I really don't like her social media presence. It screams, "Smart, nerdy girl trying to act hip so you think she's cooler than she actually is."

I mean, her Twitter screen name is @The_Illest, and that's not trying to be ironic. Then there was the awkward white girl rap she did to open one of the days of the WSOP Main event this year.

She has enough going for her (good at poker, smart, pretty) to where she shouldn't need to put on this stupid act to impress people.

Anyway, that's my small nitpick for the day.

Carry on.

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It's possible Verstandig added her simply because she's an attorney who understands poker, so she can be useful in that regard. Of course, Verstandig is also an attorney who plays poker, so is another one really necessary?

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If she's not a regularly practicing trial attorney, then she is utterly useless for any purpose beyond this.

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It's possible Verstandig added her simply because she's an attorney who understands poker, so she can be useful in that regard. Of course, Verstandig is also an attorney who plays poker, so is another one really necessary?

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If she's not a regularly practicing trial attorney, then she is utterly useless for any purpose beyond this.

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That was my thought. I won't claim to know her life history, but I had always believed she was a poker pro, which was why hearing her law school resume was surprising. But I had never seen her identify as a lawyer who just happens to also be good at poker.

Anyway, maybe Verstandig brought her in so he can have someone on staff who understands poker even better than he does, as he admits he's a mediocre player. But at the same time, you don't need to be a great player in order to understand legal issues involving the poker community. Not really an important discussion to be having here, but I just found it interesting.

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Originally Posted by mulva

the guy is obv guilty of something but they have zero evidence

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There’s loads of evidence

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no, sorry, they don't. what they have joey, doug and the many others calling him out.

i'm not saying he's innocent, because he isn't. i'm saying they have no proof of the wrong doing as of now.

data and video of him of how he should/should not play hands and a redick potripper win rate is what they have.

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There’s loads of evidence

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no, sorry, they don't. what they have joey, doug and the many others calling him out.

i'm not saying he's innocent, because he isn't. i'm saying they have no proof of the wrong doing as of now.

data and video of him of how he should/should not play hands and a redick potripper win rate is what they have.

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There's loads of circumstantial evidence.

Obviously they need some hard proof or this goes nowhere.

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Originally Posted by mulva

no, sorry, they don't. what they have joey, doug and the many others calling him out.

i'm not saying he's innocent, because he isn't. i'm saying they have no proof of the wrong doing as of now.

data and video of him of how he should/should not play hands and a redick potripper win rate is what they have.

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There's loads of circumstantial evidence.

Obviously they need some hard proof or this goes nowhere.

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He will be barred from Casinos is My Opinion. No Jail time at all. I bet.

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Originally Posted by Salty_Aus

There's loads of circumstantial evidence.

Obviously they need some hard proof or this goes nowhere.

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He will be barred from Casinos is My Opinion. No Jail time at all. I bet.

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he should be barred from casinos but i doubt it. maybe stones as they try and save face. but i don't believe russ hamilton is barred from anything.

as for jail time. no chance, unless he was working with somebody and they implicate him. you can't prove he did anything

what joey and that blonde chick needed to do is keep their investigation under wraps and catch him in the act him on phone or planting a mole next to him to swipe it in the act.

them blasting all this poker cheating stuff all over the internet actually helped postle.

if i were postle i would be more worried about certain parties/players he ripped off. i'm sure he did it to a few unsavory types that have a violent streak in them.

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I don't think I mentioned this yet regarding the Verstandig-led lawsuit against Postle/Justin/Stones.

One of the attorneys listed in the filing is Kelly Minkin.

Yes, THAT Kelly Minkin.

I learned earlier this year that she was an attorney, but I had been led to believe that she was non-practicing -- at least since she got more into poker.

Then suddenly she was listed as one of the attorneys working with Verstandig.

What?!

Apparently she joined Verstandig's firm "a few months ago". I don't know how much actual litigating experience she has. It's possible Verstandig added her simply because she's an attorney who understands poker, so she can be useful in that regard. Of course, Verstandig is also an attorney who plays poker, so is another one really necessary?

Overall, I have respect for Minkin, but I really don't like her social media presence. It screams, "Smart, nerdy girl trying to act hip so you think she's cooler than she actually is."

I mean, her Twitter screen name is @The_Illest, and that's not trying to be ironic. Then there was the awkward white girl rap she did to open one of the days of the WSOP Main event this year.

She has enough going for her (good at poker, smart, pretty) to where she shouldn't need to put on this stupid act to impress people.

Anyway, that's my small nitpick for the day.

Carry on.

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Don’t disagree Kerstetter would’ve been a better choice she also works for the law firm and has actually done some legal work lately as I understand it vs Minkin who I don’t believe has done any recently. (Kerstetter has done more commentating then playing the last several months other then a PAD she did recently on PokerGO)

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They're getting trolled pretty hard in response.

It's been 4 weeks, and the "investigation'' has not resulted in any statements yet.

watched all of ingram's live streams and read the whole fucking 2p2 thread and it's insanely clear that this guy cheated hard and some motherfucker at a local tourney today was like wellllllll they still can't really prove anything. people are so fucking clueless

Justin Kuraitis has responded to Mac Verstandig's lawsuit. Apparently Justin has not been served yet, but Mac requested him to waiver service in order to "save expense". For reasons unknown, Justin has agreed to this (maybe so he won't be responsible for service fees if he loses?)

He has until January 8, 2020 to response to the summons.

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Justin Kuraitis has responded to Mac Verstandig's lawsuit. Apparently Justin has not been served yet, but Mac requested him to waiver service in order to "save expense". For reasons unknown, Justin has agreed to this (maybe so he won't be responsible for service fees if he loses?)

He has until January 8, 2020 to response to the summons.

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yes, he will be responsible for fees and now he gets 60 days to answer instead of 21.

Update:

"Independent" investigator Michael Lipman is now representing Stones Casino in the lawsuit against them.

Oops.

Details here: https://kickasspoker.com/stones-gamb...-appears-faux/