Two thumbs up! I got into it with Phil Hellmuth at the table today

There's this myth that started on 4 that Hellmuth sucks, he's a donk, he can't hold a candle to the players of today (that's gus imho). It's been parroted by many of the Durrr and Ivey lemmings ever since. I swear every micro donk on 4 thinks they can crush Hellmuth. There's also this thing where players think it's ok to be an over the top dick to Hellmuth, I've seen these get really nasty. It's worth noting that many times it's somewhat of a honor to be the "victim" of a Phil rant. More than once I've been compelled to defend Phil as a person and his game.

So yea, have some respect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgp_tApWLpk
We'll see if you're even around in five years. Haha

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Originally Posted by BeerAndPoker

The question we need answered is if Druff is still buying the Hellmuth book for the UB chapter or did this wsop incident cause him to tighten up his jew wallet even more?

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Odd that Phil doesn't even know when his own book is being released.

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Poker Brat: The Phil Hellmuth Story

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Phil Hellmuth
D & B Publishing, Aug 1, 2017 - Games & Activities - 368 pages
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If you know Phil Hellmuth then you either love him or hate him! His rants, tirades, and lines like "I can dodge bullets baby" and "If it weren't for luck, I'd win them all" are epic and have earned him the nickname the "Poker Brat." However, whether you love him or hate him, he is undoubtedly the greatest poker player of our time. Phil is a global poker icon who holds every record at the World Series of Poker, including an extraordinary 14 world championships. In Poker Brat Phil paints a picture of his early Midwestern life, in which he struggled mightily in grade school and high school, but always had aspirations to do something great. Phil takes you from the low lows of his life to the high highs, and shows you how he developed an unhealthy ego along the way, which eventually turned into his "poker brat" persona. In Poker Brat, Phil shares his own powerful tips and techniques, the ones that he used to set his goals, and then he shows how he achieved those goals as he climbed to the summit of the poker world.

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reggiman out 14th and only got $7200.

lol donkaments

Finishing 10th-18th is among the most frustrating thing that can happen at tournaments.

I feel bad for him. Wanted to see him final table this one.

Based on watching him in action years ago (I don't watch TV poker anymore) my opinion is Phil Hellmuth does some stuff that can work very well against novice and over-aggressive players he can trap, but not good players. So I think the relative increase of very good players over the years has hurt his bottom line.

In cash games he has never had a shot at pretty much any limit IMO, due to his propensity to tilt.

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Originally Posted by verminaard

Based on watching him in action years ago (I don't watch TV poker anymore) my opinion is Phil Hellmuth does some stuff that can work very well against novice and over-aggressive players he can trap, but not good players. So I think the relative increase of very good players over the years has hurt his bottom line.

In cash games he has never had a shot at pretty much any limit IMO, due to his propensity to tilt.

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I don't think he's very good at cash, especially limit cash.

There's no question that he's one of the all-time great NL tournament players, but take that away and he's nothing special.

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Originally Posted by verminaard

Based on watching him in action years ago (I don't watch TV poker anymore) my opinion is Phil Hellmuth does some stuff that can work very well against novice and over-aggressive players he can trap, but not good players. So I think the relative increase of very good players over the years has hurt his bottom line.

In cash games he has never had a shot at pretty much any limit IMO, due to his propensity to tilt.

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I don't think he's very good at cash, especially limit cash.

There's no question that he's one of the all-time great NL tournament players, but take that away and he's nothing special.

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:lol
:facepalm

Other than being one of the best NL tourney players ever, he's nothing special.

I tried to type something mocking that with a funny slant but the same words came out.....

What was up with him showing up late to the aria super high roller? Does he really think hes good enough to start with 10% less chips than the rest of that field, and still be +EV? Do you think his investors cared that he gave up about $30,000 in equity by showing up late?

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What was up with him showing up late to the aria super high roller? Does he really think hes good enough to start with 10% less chips than the rest of that field, and still be +EV? Do you think his investors cared that he gave up about $30,000 in equity by showing up late?

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Good luck getting your questioned answered around here unless you are JSearles. I will take this one though. Picture a person that would want to invest in Hellmuth in that event. Does the image in your mind strike you as someone with any clue about equity?

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Originally Posted by verminaard

Based on watching him in action years ago (I don't watch TV poker anymore) my opinion is Phil Hellmuth does some stuff that can work very well against novice and over-aggressive players he can trap, but not good players. So I think the relative increase of very good players over the years has hurt his bottom line.

In cash games he has never had a shot at pretty much any limit IMO, due to his propensity to tilt.

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I don't think he's very good at cash, especially limit cash.

There's no question that he's one of the all-time great NL tournament players, but take that away and he's nothing special.

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It's happening, lol
This is how it happens, the top is a good analysis of Hellmuth's game but only against novices and aggros. lol that's absurdDo you realize how many years Phil has played poker or that he has 16 bracelets. I think Druff is being dead honest and what he says may be true but there's room for misinterpretation.

I don't think he's very good at cash versus the top players in the world is what Druff's really saying. Not vs the avg $1 $2 game or even vs novices lol. The lemmings read this on the forums and act like they can beat Hellmuth as well. Hellmuth's been around a long time and I believe you're under estimating his skill.

I imagine if Druff and Hellmuth played more cash in lhe that Druff would come to the conclusion that Hellmuth's no fish, he may not crush but def no pushover.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I don't think he's very good at cash, especially limit cash.

There's no question that he's one of the all-time great NL tournament players, but take that away and he's nothing special.

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It's happening, lol
This is how it happens, the top is a good analysis of Hellmuth's game but only against novices and aggros. lol that's absurdDo you realize how many years Phil has played poker or that he has 16 bracelets. I think Druff is being dead honest and what he says may be true but there's room for misinterpretation.

I don't think he's very good at cash versus the top players in the world is what Druff's really saying. Not vs the avg $1 $2 game or even vs novices lol. The lemmings read this on the forums and act like they can beat Hellmuth as well. Hellmuth's been around a long time and I believe you're under estimating his skill.

I imagine if Druff and Hellmuth played more cash in lhe that Druff would come to the conclusion that Hellmuth's no fish, he may not crush but def no pushover.

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Put Hellmuth in a limit holdem game with me, Chinamaniac, and the Minnesota limit holdem all stars, and Hellmuth would be the fish in the game.

Not a huge fish, but he would be the worst LHE player there.

Do I think I compare to Hellmuth in NL tournaments? No, not even close. He's obviously a lot better.

However, he's not one of the players I'm concerned about when I see him at a limit holdem table.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Put Hellmuth in a limit holdem game with me, Chinamaniac, and the Minnesota limit holdem all stars, and Hellmuth would be the fish in the game.

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Here's a thought.

Drop Helmuth & Minnesota from that table as no one gives a fuck ...

let's get Druff vs China heads up for $100.

East Coast vs West Coast.

Druff, would you not consider some sort of monthly or quarterly heads-up LHE challenge against yourself.

Like whoever tops the freeroll leaderboard after 3 months or w/e, gets to play you for a small prize. "The Druff HU Challenge"

Probably a faggotory idea, but I reckon it would gain some decent interest. (I don't play the freeroll and have no self-interest in this faggotory idea fwiw)

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It's happening, lol
This is how it happens, the top is a good analysis of Hellmuth's game but only against novices and aggros. lol that's absurdDo you realize how many years Phil has played poker or that he has 16 bracelets. I think Druff is being dead honest and what he says may be true but there's room for misinterpretation.

I don't think he's very good at cash versus the top players in the world is what Druff's really saying. Not vs the avg $1 $2 game or even vs novices lol. The lemmings read this on the forums and act like they can beat Hellmuth as well. Hellmuth's been around a long time and I believe you're under estimating his skill.

I imagine if Druff and Hellmuth played more cash in lhe that Druff would come to the conclusion that Hellmuth's no fish, he may not crush but def no pushover.

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Put Hellmuth in a limit holdem game with me, Chinamaniac, and the Minnesota limit holdem all stars, and Hellmuth would be the fish in the game.

Not a huge fish, but he would be the worst LHE player there.

Do I think I compare to Hellmuth in NL tournaments? No, not even close. He's obviously a lot better.

However, he's not one of the players I'm concerned about when I see him at a limit holdem table.

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You're may be right but if you n Hellmuth played 40000 hands of hu lhe and only hi stakes players were allowed to bet on who would win, I think'd be damn close. You're claiming Chinamaniac lol, the one from the Trump thread. I'm putting my money on Hellmuth for the upset, all day. Jk China

Mayweather v Mcgreg is confirmed and like the above bet i'll probably be all alone in my opinion of the odds of the outcome. i'd guess Mcgregor has a 30% chance of winning. No one else gives him any real chance, just a one sided mauling is the general consensus, we shall see.

Edit: 30% feels a bit high, 25% chance for Mcg win. I think his left is better than people think.

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Originally Posted by FPS_Russia

It's happening, lol
This is how it happens, the top is a good analysis of Hellmuth's game but only against novices and aggros. lol that's absurdDo you realize how many years Phil has played poker or that he has 16 bracelets. I think Druff is being dead honest and what he says may be true but there's room for misinterpretation.

I don't think he's very good at cash versus the top players in the world is what Druff's really saying. Not vs the avg $1 $2 game or even vs novices lol. The lemmings read this on the forums and act like they can beat Hellmuth as well. Hellmuth's been around a long time and I believe you're under estimating his skill.

I imagine if Druff and Hellmuth played more cash in lhe that Druff would come to the conclusion that Hellmuth's no fish, he may not crush but def no pushover.

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Put Hellmuth in a limit holdem game with me, Chinamaniac, and the Minnesota limit holdem all stars, and Hellmuth would be the fish in the game.

Not a huge fish, but he would be the worst LHE player there.

Do I think I compare to Hellmuth in NL tournaments? No, not even close. He's obviously a lot better.

However, he's not one of the players I'm concerned about when I see him at a limit holdem table.

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Funny thing is I am in a game right now with a Minnesota all star

Druff,
You have made the observation that Hellmouth is extremely concerned about his image. So much so that he once came up to you and was concerned that you did not like him because of some previous encounter.
So has this latest incident severed your relationship with him once and for all?
What are the odds that he comes to you before the end of the WSOP and tries to smooth things over?

I say it's even money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBX-JFzfQ4I

I'd be nice to Hellmuth if I were you. Hes very powerful in the poker world.

I have been playing mid limit LHE for 15 years. I understand limit holdem and what it takes. I have seen Phil Hellmuth play LHE quite a bit on UB way back in the day. From what I remember his A game is fine, maybe even would make him a winning player against most lineups.

But he was/is very susceptible to tilt. I honestly do not think he could beat any limit in the long run as a cash game LHE player for this reason, unless things have radically changed, which I doubt. By the time he got to low enough stakes (and bad enough players) he could probably still beat the game even factoring in his tilt sessions the rake would be too high for it to matter.

That is just my opinion.

I once saw hellmuth open raise in LHE, then fold to a 3bet. Based on that alone, I decided hes terrible.

Druff's turned into the ultimate celebrity poker pro ball sniffer. Embarrassing. Concentrate on your fucking game instead of what you think would make a cute thread on your failing poker site.