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Originally Posted by hongkonger
Zero point zero. They should leak it to the NY Times anyway. Trump and the Republicans declassified info for no good reason other than a feeble attempt to stop an investigation into his own wrongdoing. The gloves are off.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
Nunes & pals just confessed to fabricating elements of the memo, I wouldnt be so sure.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...warrant-390795
What's the line then?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
Nunes & pals just confessed to fabricating elements of the memo, I wouldnt be so sure.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...warrant-390795
Senate intelligence committee just voted unanimously to release the democrats (Schiff) memo.
Either Nunes or Schiff will go down in history as a hero.
im actually starting to feel bad for trump.
he never knew the rules.
Oh dear god I hope it's an either/or that easy, Schiff is 100% a scammerQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
This is kind of where I am at, except I feel bad for the US, not Trump. I feel we (mainly the MSM and the Democratic Party and liberals in general) decided a Trump presidency was going to be so horrible we would exhaust every resource to submarine it. And predictably he is going to reply by going after them in return in probably illegal ways, as he doesn't actually know laws and is a petty bully at heart. And I think we are all going to be worse off for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I kinda think the leaders of all the Asian countries when he went on tour there did it right. Be nice to him, blow up his ego, get favorable policies by blowing up his ego, and move on. Knowing he was a thoroughly unqualified president with a psychiatric disorder, I think we could have approached things differently and we all would have been better of when the smoke clears. Just my opinion.
GOP was forced to admit that the FBI did tell the FISA court about the dossier's political origins, even though the GOP memo strongly implied the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedishOh dear god I hope it's an either/or that easy, Schiff is 100% a scammerQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
that's pretty horrifying dish
i often disagree with your conclusions but the adjectives you use to describe trump usually have me laughing out loudQuote:
Originally Posted by verminaardThis is kind of where I am at, except I feel bad for the US, not Trump. I feel we (mainly the MSM and the Democratic Party and liberals in general) decided a Trump presidency was going to be so horrible we would exhaust every resource to submarine it. And predictably he is going to reply by going after them in return in probably illegal ways, as he doesn't actually know laws and is a petty bully at heart. And I think we are all going to be worse off for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I kinda think the leaders of all the Asian countries when he went on tour there did it right. Be nice to him, blow up his ego, get favorable policies by blowing up his ego, and move on. Knowing he was a thoroughly unqualified president with a psychiatric disorder, I think we could have approached things differently and we all would have been better of when the smoke clears. Just my opinion.
i hope trump's smart enough to realize that the dem memo will be leaked one way or another so he may as well act like he has nothing to hideQuote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
Yeah the memo forgot to throw in "scamming trash" languageQuote:
Originally Posted by blakeGOP was forced to admit that the FBI did tell the FISA court about the dossier's political origins, even though the GOP memo strongly implied the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by thesidedish
that's pretty horrifying dish
Would we really be any worse off it the media just acted impartially and didn't actively go after him all the time? Has anything positive come about from all this aggressive antagonism against him? I know you can make the argument everything the media said about him is true so they are justified in going after him. But I think the attitude has been a little too much of, "lets make things as bad as we can to show everyone what a big fuckup he is," and I think this has seriously damaged us.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakei often disagree with your conclusions but the adjectives you use to describe trump usually have me laughing out loudQuote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
I guess I don't hold him as accountable because I think he has a mental disorder and can't help himself. Maybe I am giving the average liberal too much credit too, and they suffer from Trump Derangement Sydrome so bad they can't control themselves any more than he can.
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Originally Posted by verminaardThis is kind of where I am at, except I feel bad for the US, not Trump. I feel we (mainly the MSM and the Democratic Party and liberals in general) decided a Trump presidency was going to be so horrible we would exhaust every resource to submarine it. And predictably he is going to reply by going after them in return in probably illegal ways, as he doesn't actually know laws and is a petty bully at heart. And I think we are all going to be worse off for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I kinda think the leaders of all the Asian countries when he went on tour there did it right. Be nice to him, blow up his ego, get favorable policies by blowing up his ego, and move on. Knowing he was a thoroughly unqualified president with a psychiatric disorder, I think we could have approached things differently and we all would have been better of when the smoke clears. Just my opinion.
Oh for fucks sake, It's not the democrats fault that Trump is imploding. Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking for yourself.
Max Power has been of the opinion that the far right faction of our beloved Republican party was taken advantage of by law makers much more experienced than themselves. All the memo did was back them into a corner. A bipartisan unanimous decision today shows that a lot of people, including Democrats, wanted the Nunes memo out. Unfortunately President Trump was too eager to shut down the Mueller investigation, and is now in a no win situation. Max Power is embarrassed for the White House right now.
I am pretty sure I have a unique viewpoint on the whole matter, and your viewpoint is just the same as the 60% of the country that is actively antagonistic toward him. Given that, I hope you can appreciate the irony in your response.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_LurkerQuote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
Oh for fucks sake, It's not the democrats fault that Trump is imploding. Pull your head out of your ass and start thinking for yourself.
Neither one will. It's a fucking clown show.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
no matter what happens, Trump will go down as a folk hero. I really believe history will smile on his administration.
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Originally Posted by verminaardI am pretty sure I have a unique viewpoint on the whole matter, and your viewpoint is just the same as the 60% of the country that is actively antagonistic toward him. Given that, I hope you can appreciate the irony in your response.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Lurker
You are a fucking moron, and a classic case of ignorance combined with arrogance. Throw in your bias, and I find you to be dangerous to the survival of mankind.
To use a trope, they are still dangerous animals, and when you back a dangerous animal into a corner things often don't end well. I think when the smoke clears, liberals in general are going to be looking back at things and realizing how pyrrhic their victory really was, because the cost was too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
You realize you don't actually have anything to say, which is why your entire argument is just an ad hominem attack on me, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_LurkerQuote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
You are a fucking moron, and a classic case of ignorance combined with arrogance. Throw in your bias, and I find you to be dangerous to the survival of mankind.
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Originally Posted by verminaardYou realize you don't actually have anything to say, which is why your entire argument is just an ad hominem attack on me, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Lurker
No, I had something to say. I just gave you my honest opinion, and you are too fucking ignorant, and too fucking arrogant to see that.
"60% of the country that is actively antagonistic toward him"
I think the 24/7 media blitz telling TV watching football retards that Trump is the bad guy has something to do with that
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Originally Posted by The_LurkerQuote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
No, I had something to say. I just gave you my honest opinion, and you are too fucking ignorant, and too fucking arrogant to see that.
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Originally Posted by TellafriendQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Lurker
You have already proven yourself to be a creepy, sad, pathetic weirdo. No need to remind us.
when trump runs the nation like its a reality show about the worlds most successful senile drug addict cult leader trying to empower the fourth reich, media's hands are kinda tied tho, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe
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Originally Posted by The_LurkerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tellafriend
You have already proven yourself to be a creepy, sad, pathetic weirdo. No need to remind us.
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Originally Posted by verminaardWould we really be any worse off it the media just acted impartially and didn't actively go after him all the time? Has anything positive come about from all this aggressive antagonism against him? I know you can make the argument everything the media said about him is true so they are justified in going after him. But I think the attitude has been a little too much of, "lets make things as bad as we can to show everyone what a big fuckup he is," and I think this has seriously damaged us.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
I guess I don't hold him as accountable because I think he has a mental disorder and can't help himself. Maybe I am giving the average liberal too much credit too, and they suffer from Trump Derangement Sydrome so bad they can't control themselves any more than he can.
Yes, we’d be worse off. How many times has Trump said he doesn’t watch an MSNBC or CNN only to respond to them a week later? The reality is it drives him crazy that his bedrocks of support are the shitholes of the country.
Once elected, the best case scenario was for him to be mired in bullshit infighting and petty arguments which distract him from getting anything done. A year plus in, it’s been moderately successful. He got through a generic GOP tax plan and pretty much nothing else. Keeping him distracted fighting nonsensical battles is optimal for the country. He was going to be a massive embarrassment globally on a personal level regardless. Mocking him doesn’t change that, it simply keeps him chasing his tail seeking approval. Better that than getting involved in serious matters that are above his understanding.
The media figures aren’t practicing altruism for the betterment of the republic. They’re killing him for their own advancement and enrichment. He’s a once in a lifetime idiot that you can make your bones off of in an environment where news was dying. Kind of like the Nancy Graces and Greta Van Susterens of the world making careers off the OJ trial. That the media bashing him constantly helps is simply a fortunate break in that it keeps his anger and ire focused domestically rather than him exerting his insanity on a bigger stage.
i don't think think the media's "balanced" in their coverage of him or republicans generally, but that's always been the case. for sure, they won't give him any credit for the economy. the reality is that most people that get into journalism probably lean liberal.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaardWould we really be any worse off it the media just acted impartially and didn't actively go after him all the time? Has anything positive come about from all this aggressive antagonism against him? I know you can make the argument everything the media said about him is true so they are justified in going after him. But I think the attitude has been a little too much of, "lets make things as bad as we can to show everyone what a big fuckup he is," and I think this has seriously damaged us.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
I guess I don't hold him as accountable because I think he has a mental disorder and can't help himself. Maybe I am giving the average liberal too much credit too, and they suffer from Trump Derangement Sydrome so bad they can't control themselves any more than he can.
for the most part though, i think the media's criticisms of him are legitimate. i mean, assuming you're right in your assessment of trump's mental state, it's hard to sugarcoat the fact that we have a person with a mental disorder running the country. for example, should they have made his full-on retard statement that "there were lots of good people marching [with the KKK] in charlottesville" seem less full-on retard? should they have not covered or condemned it? i'm sure you see what i'm saying.
i think we're in a post-bipartisanship era anyway. the far left and far right will primary out politicians that even remotely act like they're willing to work with the other side.
the real irony of the trump era is that somehow pro football -- the sport that is the most manly, roughest and most drunken american pastime -- is somehow now associated with liberalismQuote:
Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe
so republicans only watch nascar now?
im not going to trot out words like coge here because this is actually such a fantastic gem of pure truthbombery that it demands real respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCR
>fourth reichQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatinewhen trump runs the nation like its a reality show about the worlds most successful senile drug addict cult leader trying to empower the fourth reich, media's hands are kinda tied tho, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe
Trump surrounds himself with jews and Israel wanted him to win
BCR, thank you for being you.
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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe>fourth reichQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Trump surrounds himself with jews and Israel wanted him to win
soooo... fifth reich?
can someone find me a republican complaining about media bias who even questioned for a microsecond the validity of fox news' reporting about how obama is a kenyan muslim?
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Let us not forget that our POTUS was also a very vocal "Birther"
I have and will concede again that Fox News is biased towards the GOP. This is plainly obvious and literally no thinking person has ever disputed it. Every other cable 'news' network is biased toward the DNC. We have had this exchange of thoughts in the past and I was disappointed to find out that you actually think CNN and MSNBC are non-biased sources without political agendasQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
They know how terrible it looks to selectively declassify only what they think will help them. They're going to force Trump to either release it or dig his own grave a little deeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
They're also correct. The fact-based media are biased against Trump because reality is biased against Trump. He's a criminal and a dangerous authoritarian demagogue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe
do you believe that Russia has a video tape of Trump getting pissed on by hookers, and that Trump has ceded control of our country to Russia because he doesn't want to get embarrassed by this tape coming out? That's what a lot of people seem to believe, I think it's retardedQuote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerThey know how terrible it looks to selectively declassify only what they think will help them. They're going to force Trump to either release it or dig his own grave a little deeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by duped_samaritan
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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_GiraffeI have and will concede again that Fox News is biased towards the GOP. This is plainly obvious and literally no thinking person has ever disputed it. Every other cable 'news' network is biased toward the DNC. We have had this exchange of thoughts in the past and I was disappointed to find out that you actually think CNN and MSNBC are non-biased sources without political agendasQuote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
i think that a) you grossly overestimate how much time i spend watching cable news and b) you may be overstating my position, but given that the current political climate is "batshit insanity" vs "everything else literally", can you really hold me accountable for toeing a fairly polarizing line?
Oh dear god, gimmick overQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
NICE TRY TRASH