Time to get on the TRUMP train

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Is Trump attacking the freedom of the press, or is he just complaining they aren't giving him a fair shake?

I mean lets look at Turkey where the new dictator has actually passed laws severely curtailing press freedom and thrown a lot of people critical of him in prison. I think this falls under the category of attacking the freedom of the press. I am not sure anything Trump has done really falls under that category. I think the worst he has done is try to bully and intimidate them for being too critical of him using mostly juvenile school yard bullying tactics.

Maybe I am wrong. Has he actually tried to pass any laws or use any executive power to curtail freedom of the press?

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No, but it always starts with demonizing, then escalates to persecuting. Such a threat must be met early and head-on.

He has said he wants to change the libel laws to make it easier to sue the press. This has always been a matter for the states but in theory there could be federal laws about it.

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The alternative could be....maybe, JUST MAYBE for the media to stop acting like fucking idiots and could report on something in a truthful and fair manner instead of twisting and turning everything to fit their BS agenda. It's worse to allow the media to spew lies and deceive the public than to be critical of them and try to get them to shut the fuck up.

Then again, you mistakenly think Hillary won, so.....

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by thesidedish

I'm big on the "deep state did the Hawaii false alarm to bait Trump into bombing NK" theory today

20-30% chance

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why would the deep state use north koreas hawaii false alarm hack to bait trump into bombing nk?

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I'll let u know when I reach 50%

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Originally Posted by verminaard

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Originally Posted by hongkonger

No, but it always starts with demonizing, then escalates to persecuting. Such a threat must be met early and head-on.

He has said he wants to change the libel laws to make it easier to sue the press. This has always been a matter for the states but in theory there could be federal laws about it.

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I think if we lived in Turkey or Russia someone like Trump could actually be a danger in this regard. But I really think our system of checks and balances and overall our political culture and values make it impossible for a President to go this far. Maybe that is part of Trump's frustration, is that he thought he would be the Putin/Kim Il Jong of the United States, and he has had a rude awakening the President just doesn't have that reach.

Democracy and freedom of speech don't work out very well or last very long in the 3rd world because, for good or bad, those just aren't things that are valued in places like Africa and the Middle East. I just think our values are strong enough to weather the storm of a president like Trump in this regard. I think most of the fears of him becoming a despot or tyrant are completely unfounded. I absolutely believe he would like to be able to do this if given the opportunity, but I don't see it happening. I think even the Republican Party would ultimately turn on him if he tried to reach too far.

That being said, between him and Congress between their campaign to enrich the rich at the expense of everyone else, his foreign policy "misadventures" and assault on the environment, some real damage could be done in the next 3 years to our country. But restricting freedom of speech of the press, or anyone else, I just don't see it.

If anything, when it comes to restricting freedom of speech, there is much more danger from the left IMO, who are actually campaigning to restrict freedom of politically incorrect speech.

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Funny you should say our democratic norms will resist Trump. I think that's true but the norms can be eroded over time, and are, which is where the real danger lies. Trump isn't the problem he's a symptom, and is laying the groundwork for some future tyrant, once we accept this as the new normal.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Dutch intelligence services were monitoring Cozy Bear/Fancy Bear Russian penetration teams in real time as they hacked the election and for good measure, broke into the security camera across the street from their location and used it to document Russian SVR intelligence agents coming and going from their headquarters.

https://securityboulevard.com/2018/0...ime-for-years/

For less technical analysis because I know most of you arent great with big words..:

https://www.google.com/search?q=dutc...bear+cozy+bear

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LOL GOT U ALL SOVIET COMPUTERS ARE MODIFIED TO RUN ADVANCED SOCIALIST CATS WHO PEER INTO RUSSIAN SOULS AND HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR IMPERIALIST TRASH AMERICAN DUMBS.

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LOL GOT U ALL SOVIET COMPUTERS ARE MODIFIED TO RUN ADVANCED SOCIALIST CATS WHO PEER INTO RUSSIAN SOULS AND HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR IMPERIALIST TRASH AMERICAN DUMBS.

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In Soviet Union, pussy eats you.

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LOL GOT U ALL SOVIET COMPUTERS ARE MODIFIED TO RUN ADVANCED SOCIALIST CATS WHO PEER INTO RUSSIAN SOULS AND HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR IMPERIALIST TRASH AMERICAN DUMBS.

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In Soviet Union, pussy eats you.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxDtyTrylk

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Lol sticking up for Maxine waters, see ur way out bud DQ

similar notices have been sent to
Sean Spicer,


Sergei Millian,


Amanda Miller,



Frank Mermoud, changes to repub platform regarding Ukraine.



Don McGahn, Russians possibly gave cash to NRA peeps to pass to rump campaign


John Mashburn, pro Russia changes to repub platform and NRA again.

Corey Lewandowski,

apropos of corruption:

Former congresswoman Corrine Brown sentenced to five years in prison in charity slush-fund case
By Cleve R. Wootson Jr. December 4, 2017

A federal judge sentenced former U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown to five years in prison on Monday, months after a jury convicted the Florida Democrat of fraud for using a charity for poor students as her personal expense account.
The allegations — which, in addition to fraud, included lying on tax forms and congressional disclosures — had already cost Brown her seat in Congress: She lost a primary election last year amid the scandal.
Prosecutors argued that the 71-year-old had turned a charity for poor students into an $800,000 personal slush fund, according to the Associated Press.
After a nearly 25-year career in Congress, she was convicted in May and could have spent the rest of her life in prison.

The court papers claimed that she and her chief of staff, Elias “Ronnie” Simmons, raised more than $800,000 for the One Door for Education scholarship fund — but had handed out only two scholarships worth $1,200.
The indictment alleged that Brown and Simmons had instead used the majority of the money for themselves — “for personal and professional benefit.”
They threw lavish parties, took expensive trips and went on shopping excursions.
Simmons and the charity’s executive director, Carla Wiley, testified against Brown in exchange for plea deals; the two were also scheduled to be sentenced Monday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2f99f41f5af9

I fear those letters and the answers that follow are going to open the flood gates. This is looking really bad.

Dumbo donny getting coaching from legal team for Mueller interview. they hired a fake Mueller. rump won't let him work though keeps staring at tvs when tough questions get asked.

Trump appointed this moron ofc. A must watch imo


https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/27/polit...ery/index.html

Koch fags gonna pump 400 million into the party of perverts and pedos in order to keep majority.Some democracy we have where pigs like this can control all the sheep.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/27/polit...ate/index.html

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Koch fags gonna pump 400 million into the party of perverts and pedos in order to keep majority.Some democracy we have where pigs like this can control all the sheep.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/27/polit...ate/index.html

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It's not going to matter. It's going to be a bloodbath for the GOP come midterms. Historically speaking the first midterms after one party get control of both houses and the Oval is a bloodbath.

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Koch fags gonna pump 400 million into the party of perverts and pedos in order to keep majority.Some democracy we have where pigs like this can control all the sheep.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/27/polit...ate/index.html

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It's not going to matter. It's going to be a bloodbath for the GOP come midterms. Historically speaking the first midterms after one party get control of both houses and the Oval is a bloodbath.

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They will lose 1 house, but I think they will retain 1. If I am wrong and they take both houses, the following 2 years will be amazing to watch.

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Originally Posted by Sanlmar

I will fuck up anyone who quotes fivethirtyeight.

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Remember that fraud Nate Silver? Maybe not.

Disney/Espn looking to get out of the fivethirtyeight/Nate Silver business.

Good fucking riddance

The Signal and the Noise

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I will fuck up anyone who quotes fivethirtyeight.

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Remember that fraud Nate Silver? Maybe not.

Disney/Espn looking to get out of the fivethirtyeight/Nate Silver business.

Good fucking riddance

The Signal and the Noise

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What is deal with Nate Silver? Used to really like him. Plus his model was more pro trump than most other outlets (he took criticisms for it).

did I miss something?

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Remember that fraud Nate Silver? Maybe not.

Disney/Espn looking to get out of the fivethirtyeight/Nate Silver business.

Good fucking riddance

The Signal and the Noise

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What is deal with Nate Silver? Used to really like him. Plus his model was more pro trump than most other outlets (he took criticisms for it).

did I miss something?

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ESPN is looking to slash costs in general.

ESPN can learn from FOX, ax the social commentary AND STICK TO SPORTS lol.

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Remember that fraud Nate Silver? Maybe not.

Disney/Espn looking to get out of the fivethirtyeight/Nate Silver business.

Good fucking riddance

The Signal and the Noise

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What is deal with Nate Silver? Used to really like him. Plus his model was more pro trump than most other outlets (he took criticisms for it).

did I miss something?

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I’ll take a shot.

Nate Silver hit a lucky parlay with the Presidential election in 2008. Analytics was the hot and trendy toy with the kids and the burgers.

Nate Silver made analytics entertainment. It’s 2008 or whatever, there’s Moneyball with Brad Pitt, the Red Sox and Bill James and everyone has a smart phone with a fire hose of data. Silver posed as some kind of Prince of Analytics.

Except for one thing. The guy couldn’t analyze data for shit. His record was fucking awful and he was the king of moving the goal post when you weren’t looking.

I loved the Nate Silver trolls like Carl Diggler. But grew bored of that too as Silver just became irrelevant and was dismissed.

Civilization has advanced and behavioral economics has become hep. The mistakes people make arriving at their decisions.

Ex: Recentism and the Eagles crushing recent win.

Silver probably binked huge selling his site to ESPN. They deserved each other.

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I LOVE Michael Lewis but even he admits he missed the boat with Moneyball.

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Uhhh HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO did u see everyone who hates Trump jack off when he bombed Syria??

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couple of morning coffee thoughts....

when trump's history catches up with trump, there will be no mea culpa from the republicans; they are going to stand up and say 'well the american people chose him, it was our job to support their agenda'. that is their moral emergency parachute, that is their plan b. in absolutely zero ways will a trump meltdown change their core hypocrisy or somehow compel them to address the christian cultists goading them towards oblivion.



one of the nice things when obama was president, was the knowledge that if we got nuked by terrorists or DPRK (exactly no one else would ever shoot off a nuke first), the whole world would stand up and clutch all the pearls ever and say NEVER AGAIN and would almost certainly be followed by a period of disarmament flavored stability. trump's behavior effectively guarantees that if we get nuked, the entire planet will cry out as if with one voice "DONT START NONE, WONT BE NONE" and start pumping out memes about how they can smell bacon when the wind is just right.

I'm about 67% sure if No Korea managed to hit LA and take out a few million US citizens in the process the Chinese Nuclear retaliation would take them out before the Trump bombs would land. Either that or Primer Li would be on the Bat Phone to the Oval and would promise to have the entire country shut down in 7 business days.

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I'm about 67% sure if No Korea managed to hit LA and take out a few million US citizens in the process the Chinese Nuclear retaliation would take them out before the Trump bombs would land. Either that or Primer Li would be on the Bat Phone to the Oval and would promise to have the entire country shut down in 7 business days.

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I'm trying to phrase with without seeming snarky and have failed like 8 times so far;

Why would China render a good chunk of its eastern territories radioactive for thousands of years? Not to mention South Korea would be a writeoff and depending on the winds, Japan as well.

They detect radioactivity from DPRK underground tests near Beijing all the time. A single surface explosion would be catastrophic in every conceivable sense:



That's a single 15megaton surface explosion, btw, which isnt even considered effective since DPRK has extensive bomb shelters designed to resist much worse than this.

The Tsar Bomba is a 100mt warhead, for comparison.

Winds change constantly of course so that as long as the fires burned, radioactive ash would be carried anywhere the wind pointed.

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I'm about 67% sure if No Korea managed to hit LA and take out a few million US citizens in the process the Chinese Nuclear retaliation would take them out before the Trump bombs would land. Either that or Primer Li would be on the Bat Phone to the Oval and would promise to have the entire country shut down in 7 business days.

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I'm trying to phrase with without seeming snarky and have failed like 8 times so far;

Why would China render a good chunk of its eastern territories radioactive for thousands of years? Not to mention South Korea would be a writeoff and depending on the winds, Japan as well.

They detect radioactivity from DPRK underground tests near Beijing all the time. A single surface explosion would be catastrophic in every conceivable sense:



That's a single 15megaton surface explosion, btw, which isnt even considered effective since DPRK has extensive bomb shelters designed to resist much worse than this.

The Tsar Bomba is a 100mt warhead, for comparison.

Winds change constantly of course so that as long as the fires burned, radioactive ash would be carried anywhere the wind pointed.

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Same non-snarky caveat

Ergo second sentance about Primier Li asking us to give him a shot at taking out the DPRK for us without the use of the bomb.

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I'm trying to phrase with without seeming snarky and have failed like 8 times so far;

Why would China render a good chunk of its eastern territories radioactive for thousands of years? Not to mention South Korea would be a writeoff and depending on the winds, Japan as well.

They detect radioactivity from DPRK underground tests near Beijing all the time. A single surface explosion would be catastrophic in every conceivable sense:



That's a single 15megaton surface explosion, btw, which isnt even considered effective since DPRK has extensive bomb shelters designed to resist much worse than this.

The Tsar Bomba is a 100mt warhead, for comparison.

Winds change constantly of course so that as long as the fires burned, radioactive ash would be carried anywhere the wind pointed.

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Same non-snarky caveat

Ergo second sentance about Primier Li asking us to give him a shot at taking out the DPRK for us without the use of the bomb.

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I completely missed that, sorry. Headache, as it happens.

But really I'm not sure how anyone Li included could 'solve' the DPRK issue without a nuke at that point. Best case is we/they use low yield bunker busters but I dont even know if we (or China) have functional ones because I believe the whole concept of low yield weapons was taken off the table during one of the various non proliferation treaties.

And whats more, you seem super confident that Trump is going to kick back on AF1 and say 'yeah no worries do your thing China, i should concentrate on managing the tens of millions of people fleeing from a nuclear cloud over Beverly Hills'. Its hard to imagine Trump not shooting off ten nukes for every one that lands here because he thinks its going to 'make him look strong' or some batshit nonsense.

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I'm about 67% sure if No Korea managed to hit LA and take out a few million US citizens in the process the Chinese Nuclear retaliation would take them out before the Trump bombs would land. Either that or Primer Li would be on the Bat Phone to the Oval and would promise to have the entire country shut down in 7 business days.

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I'm trying to phrase with without seeming snarky and have failed like 8 times so far;

Why would China render a good chunk of its eastern territories radioactive for thousands of years? Not to mention South Korea would be a writeoff and depending on the winds, Japan as well.

They detect radioactivity from DPRK underground tests near Beijing all the time. A single surface explosion would be catastrophic in every conceivable sense:



That's a single 15megaton surface explosion, btw, which isnt even considered effective since DPRK has extensive bomb shelters designed to resist much worse than this.

The Tsar Bomba is a 100mt warhead, for comparison.

Winds change constantly of course so that as long as the fires burned, radioactive ash would be carried anywhere the wind pointed.

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Any surface explosions would be a disaster for the entire fucking planet.

If NK hits any US/allied territory with a nuke of any size there's zero chance the US does not retaliate disproportionately. Chinese cooperation or no.

Pretty fucking great article, outlining all the times Trump attempted to fire anyone and anything in the government that wasnt on 'Team Trump':

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...ice-department

America was ready for a great politician to run the government like a business, what we got was a corrupt and simple-minded businessman who didnt know what a government was.

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Same non-snarky caveat

Ergo second sentance about Primier Li asking us to give him a shot at taking out the DPRK for us without the use of the bomb.

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I completely missed that, sorry. Headache, as it happens.

But really I'm not sure how anyone Li included could 'solve' the DPRK issue without a nuke at that point. Best case is we/they use low yield bunker busters but I dont even know if we (or China) have functional ones because I believe the whole concept of low yield weapons was taken off the table during one of the various non proliferation treaties.

And whats more, you seem super confident that Trump is going to kick back on AF1 and say 'yeah no worries do your thing China, i should concentrate on managing the tens of millions of people fleeing from a nuclear cloud over Beverly Hills'. Its hard to imagine Trump not shooting off ten nukes for every one that lands here because he thinks its going to 'make him look strong' or some batshit nonsense.

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No worries. This thread causes headaches.

My preception is the average person thinks the US and China (the country, not the LHE GOD) are mortal enemies. I have a working theory that the US and China are the closest allies in the world. China has a vested interest in the US continuing on as the economic and military alpha of the world. So long as the US boat keeps floating the china boat will rise with us and at a faster pace. They tolerate the DPRK but if push came to shove they would sniff them out no problem. Same thing would happen if Japan decided it was time to make a play at China. Sure we have Japans back on a great many issues but if they crossed the line with China we would let them go.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

I completely missed that, sorry. Headache, as it happens.

But really I'm not sure how anyone Li included could 'solve' the DPRK issue without a nuke at that point. Best case is we/they use low yield bunker busters but I dont even know if we (or China) have functional ones because I believe the whole concept of low yield weapons was taken off the table during one of the various non proliferation treaties.

And whats more, you seem super confident that Trump is going to kick back on AF1 and say 'yeah no worries do your thing China, i should concentrate on managing the tens of millions of people fleeing from a nuclear cloud over Beverly Hills'. Its hard to imagine Trump not shooting off ten nukes for every one that lands here because he thinks its going to 'make him look strong' or some batshit nonsense.

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No worries. This thread causes headaches.

My preception is the average person thinks the US and China (the country, not the LHE GOD) are mortal enemies. I have a working theory that the US and China are the closest allies in the world. China has a vested interest in the US continuing on as the economic and military alpha of the world. So long as the US boat keeps floating the china boat will rise with us and at a faster pace. They tolerate the DPRK but if push came to shove they would sniff them out no problem. Same thing would happen if Japan decided it was time to make a play at China. Sure we have Japans back on a great many issues but if they crossed the line with China we would let them go.

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This kind of game theory reminds me of a classic example of AI finding non-intuitive answers where it has to navigate around a rectangular course composed of a something like a dozen squares, to reach a 'win' square. Next to the starting square is a 'loss' square. The AI can move in any of four radial directions as it tries to determine the set of rules that will take it to the win square from the start square without losing, ever. But there is a catch; 5% of all movement decisions will create a mistake where the movement actually takes you to the adjacent direction. So 1 in 20 times, a 'north' move takes you 'east' or 'west'.

And what the AI realized is that in every square surrounding the loss square, the correct answer was always a move directly away from the loss square. 19 times out of 20, that takes you directly into the wall or further away from the win square. But 1 time in 20, it guides you ultimately in a safe direction towards the win square, so eventually you end up reaching it, and you never, ever risk losing.

When one considers who countries nuclear superpowers will support, the 'correct' choice is the one with zero risk of ruin; never under any circumstances launching a nuke at a major superpower.

So yeah Russia, China, so on will beat the kimchi flavored piss out of the DPRK before they launch a nuke at us (but of course, they dont need to launch a nuke at us when they can just purchase our resources, destroy our currency, and manipulate our village idiots into positions of absolute authority, so there's that as well).

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...t-isn-t-pretty

Another great read from a guy who Trump sued, who won the case when Trump literally could not stop fabricating random nonsense under deposition; Trump will commit perjury under oath because he actually lives in an arbitrary non-reality where his lies are actually true.

Apparently the article quoted a source 'as close as it gets' to Trump saying that this was not a concern, it was an absolute certainty, but that has apparently been edited out.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...t-isn-t-pretty

Another great read from a guy who Trump sued, who won the case when Trump literally could not stop fabricating random nonsense under deposition; Trump will commit perjury under oath because he actually lives in an arbitrary non-reality where his lies are actually true.

Apparently the article quoted a source 'as close as it gets' to Trump saying that this was not a concern, it was an absolute certainty, but that has apparently been edited out.

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https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6dv247

Thank you President Trump for making America great again, you are in my prayers.