*** OFFICIAL 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Race Thread ***

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Originally Posted by Daly

Jesus - just came here to post the exact same.

I mean I’m sure there is a lot policy I’m not going to side with, but Pete “sounds” like an adult.

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He is a superior public speaker. Regardless of policy, it is an important part of the job.

He has my attention

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Buttigieg is well spoken imo and frankly I do agree with some things he has to say.

In any case, He seems to state his points calmly, confidently, and clearly, without acting like he is some raging lunatic who just came out of a bar after a few drinks and decided to sputter a bunch of shit.

I never thought I'd say this, because frankly I've been trying to steer away from politics in general the past couple of years for my own sanity and well being - but like Sanlmar said, this guy has my attention.

Let's see how this plays out

I do feel a bit bad for Mayor Pete.

They hit him with a totally unfair question at the end, asking him how he can explain why black arrests for drug offenses went up in South Bend during his term as mayor.

How the fuck is he supposed to answer that? He can't control who is committing crimes. Also, the question ignored the fact that crime went up everywhere starting in 2014 (thanks to Obama, but that's a different discussion topic).

I always hate the line of reasoning of, "X percent of black men are in prison, so therefore the justice system is racist." That's such an oversimplification of the matter, but I guess it works great for pandering and blaming the right.

Overall, though, these debates aren't a good thing for the Democratic Party, as it makes them look bad to swing voters.

Among the things we have repeatedly seen:

- Trump derangement syndrome on display

- Super obsession with climate change to the point of it finding its way into every debate topic

- Pandering to the extreme left and most candidates being terrified to call out some of these positions as being crazy. Like, reparations were actually being discussed on stage. Wow.


Most swing voters aren't going to come away with the idea of, "Yeah, one of these people totally represents me and my values."

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I do feel a bit bad for Mayor Pete.

They hit him with a totally unfair question at the end, asking him how he can explain why black arrests for drug offenses went up in South Bend during his term as mayor.

How the fuck is he supposed to answer that? He can't control who is committing crimes. Also, the question ignored the fact that crime went up everywhere starting in 2014 (thanks to Obama, but that's a different discussion topic).

I always hate the line of reasoning of, "X percent of black men are in prison, so therefore the justice system is racist." That's such an oversimplification of the matter, but I guess it works great for pandering and blaming the right.

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peta did a good job of convoulting his answer so that nobody could understand wtf he was talking about. tony caught it though..lol

and lol @ racism..racism will always be a major thing even when it's not. you have to recognize it as a problem in order to get votes or not look like a white supremist

whenever i hear the word "systemic" i cringe

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

Overall, though, these debates aren't a good thing for the Democratic Party, as it makes them look bad to swing voters.

Among the things we have repeatedly seen:

- Trump derangement syndrome on display

- Super obsession with climate change to the point of it finding its way into every debate topic

- Pandering to the extreme left and most candidates being terrified to call out some of these positions as being crazy. Like, reparations were actually being discussed on stage. Wow.


Most swing voters aren't going to come away with the idea of, "Yeah, one of these people totally represents me and my values."

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This post is about me. Never actually thought about the poor marketing to Swing voters

The Trump derangement

I have never listened to more than one Democratic debate in my entire life. I am trying REAL hard.

I was never going to vote for Hillary Clinton. I am open to thoughtful debate now. Be respectful of my previous choice or I’ll tune you out again and you can’t afford that.

Yang boldly offered that, “Trump was a symptom, not the problem”. Well played. Don’t insult me or I will snap you off clean. You offered Hillary. Let’s both agree to move forward

The reparations thing was mind blowing and demonstrated enormous tolerance on my part.

I guarantee there will be DNC fuckery at the convention and I will snap shitcan them. Thus, I will be exonerated from any future liability or wrong doing.

I’m really glad Pete has zero chance because I can’t stand that dude and would sit out before voting for him.

I already thought he was full of shit being the favorite of billionaire donors while going on about campaign finance reform, but considering all his comments about hating the electoral college and how popular vote should be the only thing that matters, him running out the other night and declaring victory after he got hammered on first alignment, second alignment, and lost the popular vote convincingly was scummy even for a politician. He should have been a log cabin republican given his popularity in this thread.

I heard them mention Yangs opiate plan, so I looked it up and it’s so incredibly idiotic it’s almost impressive. It’s like a five point plan and every single point is ass backwards and the whole thing would kill people while at the same time hassling non-addicts with the bonus of jamming up ERs and rehabs and costing a gazillion dollars.
Mandatory 72 hour forced rehab for people overdosing. Lol. Detox takes a week minimum. Its literally peak misery at 72 hours. You’d have people getting out and killing their mom or girlfriend who called the EMTs and overdosing again a half hour later.

Biden is just so fucking bad. How you manage to get schooled by steyer of all people and start talking that black people love me polling shit. Stuttering and I’m the guy I’m the guy I’m the guy. He’s so dead he may even fuck up South Carolina.

Warren was off and she’s rarely on.

Bernie was Bernie.

Amy was actually good, but she has no prayer.

This field is so bad.

Trump -950

I actually do believe that Mayor Pete is just a smooth talking phony, though. I can't even figure out if he's truly a liberal or a moderate, and that's not a good thing.

He and Warren hate each other, but they're more alike than they realize.

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I actually do believe that Mayor Pete is just a smooth talking phony, though. I can't even figure out if he's truly a liberal or a moderate, and that's not a good thing.

He and Warren hate each other, but they're more alike than they realize.

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The Only person on that lineup who remotely comes off as presidential is Pete, but I don’t know a lot about him.

Biden really comes off like crazy ole grandpa

Sanders can’t stop talking about free shit, neither can Sitting Bull and yang is to the left of both of them.

I have no idea what Steyer was doing on stage. No idea at all. Just some dude nobody knows who gets to troll the Field on stage.

Amy seems like a nice person and seems somewhat experienced but at one point she sounded like she was going to burst into tears. Didn’t come off as stable enough to handle the job, and that’s probably unfair considering who is in the office now.

It’s really hard to wrap my mind around one of these people having a real shot at being the POTUS

the thing about pete is, he's gay.

and that's just not going to work in 2020.

2036? maybe. but not now.

if he were to get the nomination, a solid 20% of the country would believe that pete is literally the antichrist. that's a mild exaggeration, at best. evangelical turnout would be at 100%.

there are countries we have to deal with where being gay is literally a crime.

didn't putin say there are no gay people in russia, or do i have that confused with someone else? i know iran's leader said the same thing.

i'm not sure how foreign relations would work with a gay president

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Originally Posted by BCR

Biden is just so fucking bad. How you manage to get schooled by steyer of all people and start talking that black people love me polling shit. Stuttering and I’m the guy I’m the guy I’m the guy. He’s so dead he may even fuck up South Carolina.

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but i disagree. peta has a lot more than zero chance to win. iowa momentum is already carrying over to NH............the buzz is back and it's even bigger this time

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Originally Posted by Daly

I have no idea what Steyer was doing on stage. No idea at all. Just some dude nobody knows who gets to troll the Field on stage.

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Originally Posted by blake

the thing about pete is, he's gay.

and that's just not going to work in 2020.

2036? maybe. but not now.

if he were to get the nomination, a solid 20% of the country would believe that pete is literally the antichrist. that's a mild exaggeration, at best. evangelical turnout would be at 100%.

there are countries we have to deal with where being gay is literally a crime.

didn't putin say there are no gay people in russia, or do i have that confused with someone else? i know iran's leader said the same thing.

i'm not sure how foreign relations would work with a gay president

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Evangelical? How about garden variety Catholics

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Originally Posted by blake

the thing about pete is, he's gay.

and that's just not going to work in 2020.

2036? maybe. but not now.

if he were to get the nomination, a solid 20% of the country would believe that pete is literally the antichrist. that's a mild exaggeration, at best. evangelical turnout would be at 100%.

there are countries we have to deal with where being gay is literally a crime.

didn't putin say there are no gay people in russia, or do i have that confused with someone else? i know iran's leader said the same thing.

i'm not sure how foreign relations would work with a gay president

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The president of Brazil has some real gems when it comes to gays.

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At a routine morning meeting with journalists in the capital, the president complained that media have accused him of being a racist and committing crimes against the environment. Then he told one reporter, “Your face looks an awful lot like a homosexual's, but that's no reason to accuse you of being a homosexual.”

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"I would be incapable of loving a gay son", and added that he would prefer any gay son of his "to die in an accident"

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If your child starts to become like that, a little gay, you take a whip and you change their behavior."

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Originally Posted by Daly

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I actually do believe that Mayor Pete is just a smooth talking phony, though. I can't even figure out if he's truly a liberal or a moderate, and that's not a good thing.

He and Warren hate each other, but they're more alike than they realize.

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The Only person on that lineup who remotely comes off as presidential is Pete, but I don’t know a lot about him.

Biden really comes off like crazy ole grandpa

Sanders can’t stop talking about free shit, neither can Sitting Bull and yang is to the left of both of them.

I have no idea what Steyer was doing on stage. No idea at all. Just some dude nobody knows who gets to troll the Field on stage.

Amy seems like a nice person and seems somewhat experienced but at one point she sounded like she was going to burst into tears. Didn’t come off as stable enough to handle the job, and that’s probably unfair considering who is in the office now.

It’s really hard to wrap my mind around one of these people having a real shot at being the POTUS

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If you mean weaseling out of answering a valid question to avoid revealing being a rightwing fuckstick is presidential, I guess he did alright.

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One of Buttigieg’s biggest weaknesses is among black voters, specifically when it comes to his record as mayor of South Bend, Ind. And it’s a record that he didn’t want to talk about when it came to an increase of marijuana arrests among African-Americans when he led the city.

“The reality is, on my watch, drug arrests in South Bend were lower than the national average, and specifically lower than in Indiana,” Buttigieg said, avoiding the question about the increase of arrests over marijuana during his term. He then spoke about opiate arrests and the crack epidemic of the 1990s.

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but really though, pete being gay would cost him like 45 states.

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

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Originally Posted by Daly

The Only person on that lineup who remotely comes off as presidential is Pete, but I don’t know a lot about him.

Biden really comes off like crazy ole grandpa

Sanders can’t stop talking about free shit, neither can Sitting Bull and yang is to the left of both of them.

I have no idea what Steyer was doing on stage. No idea at all. Just some dude nobody knows who gets to troll the Field on stage.

Amy seems like a nice person and seems somewhat experienced but at one point she sounded like she was going to burst into tears. Didn’t come off as stable enough to handle the job, and that’s probably unfair considering who is in the office now.

It’s really hard to wrap my mind around one of these people having a real shot at being the POTUS

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If you mean weaseling out of answering a valid question to avoid revealing being a rightwing fuckstick is presidential, I guess he did alright.

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One of Buttigieg’s biggest weaknesses is among black voters, specifically when it comes to his record as mayor of South Bend, Ind. And it’s a record that he didn’t want to talk about when it came to an increase of marijuana arrests among African-Americans when he led the city.

“The reality is, on my watch, drug arrests in South Bend were lower than the national average, and specifically lower than in Indiana,” Buttigieg said, avoiding the question about the increase of arrests over marijuana during his term. He then spoke about opiate arrests and the crack epidemic of the 1990s.

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So Mumbles hates him, that’s another positive point.

bernie being bernie would cost him 47 states.

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Originally Posted by Daly

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Originally Posted by MumblesBadly

If you mean weaseling out of answering a valid question to avoid revealing being a rightwing fuckstick is presidential, I guess he did alright.

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One of Buttigieg’s biggest weaknesses is among black voters, specifically when it comes to his record as mayor of South Bend, Ind. And it’s a record that he didn’t want to talk about when it came to an increase of marijuana arrests among African-Americans when he led the city.

“The reality is, on my watch, drug arrests in South Bend were lower than the national average, and specifically lower than in Indiana,” Buttigieg said, avoiding the question about the increase of arrests over marijuana during his term. He then spoke about opiate arrests and the crack epidemic of the 1990s.

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So Mumbles hates him, that’s another positive point.

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mumbles supports whatever candidate he thinks will give him the most free stuff. he's made that pretty clear.

you know whats kinda cashed?

centerist dems freaking out about the party moving left while failing utterly to admit that the dnc / democrat core has been bricking from the free throw line like 80% since 2015.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

you know whats kinda cashed?

centerist dems freaking out about the party moving left while failing utterly to admit that the dnc / democrat core has been bricking from the free throw line like 80% since 2015.

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the issue is that centrist dems might have more in common with republicans than they do the AOC wing of the party

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by sonatine

you know whats kinda cashed?

centerist dems freaking out about the party moving left while failing utterly to admit that the dnc / democrat core has been bricking from the free throw line like 80% since 2015.

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the issue is that centrist dems might have more in common with republicans than they do the AOC wing of the party

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again, not really the problem.

the lack of depth in root cause analysis for all the things generating this relentless pearl clutching about "socialism" is highly toxic.

never mind that american socialism has something like 3-5% dna in common with every single country on the 'socialist shithole' hit list.

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by sonatine

you know whats kinda cashed?

centerist dems freaking out about the party moving left while failing utterly to admit that the dnc / democrat core has been bricking from the free throw line like 80% since 2015.

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the issue is that centrist dems might have more in common with republicans than they do the AOC wing of the party

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Obv. There just aren’t many left like Sam Nunn for example. Trump wins in a landslide. He will have more electoral votes this time than last. And yes, I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.

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Originally Posted by blake

the issue is that centrist dems might have more in common with republicans than they do the AOC wing of the party

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again, not really the problem.

the lack of depth in root cause analysis for all the things generating this relentless pearl clutching about "socialism" is highly toxic.

never mind that american socialism has something like 3-5% dna in common with every single country on the 'socialist shithole' hit list.

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it's not really the "socialist" label that's off-putting to me.

it's giving your preferred pronouns on your twitter bio.

it's having a 9-yr old vet your choice for secretary of education.

it's wanting to abolish ICE.

it's wanting to ensure that incarcerated felons can vote.

it's wanting to give illegal immigrants free healthcare.

you get the point

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Originally Posted by sonatine

again, not really the problem.

the lack of depth in root cause analysis for all the things generating this relentless pearl clutching about "socialism" is highly toxic.

never mind that american socialism has something like 3-5% dna in common with every single country on the 'socialist shithole' hit list.

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it's not really the "socialist" label that's off-putting to me.

it's giving your preferred pronouns on your twitter bio.

it's having a 9-yr old vet your choice for secretary of education.

it's wanting to abolish ICE.

it's wanting to ensure that incarcerated felons can vote.

it's wanting to give illegal immigrants free healthcare.

you get the point

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cool remember how much this upset you when abortions are illegal, you're forced to rehome displaced floridians, and tap water gave your kids cancer but the insurance agencies wont cover treatment because having tap water is a pre-existing condition.

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it's not really the "socialist" label that's off-putting to me.

it's giving your preferred pronouns on your twitter bio.

it's having a 9-yr old vet your choice for secretary of education.

it's wanting to abolish ICE.

it's wanting to ensure that incarcerated felons can vote.

it's wanting to give illegal immigrants free healthcare.

you get the point

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cool remember how much this upset you when abortions are illegal, you're forced to rehome displaced floridians, and tap water gave your kids cancer but the insurance agencies wont cover treatment because having tap water is a pre-existing condition.

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you're probably right. i mean, mumbles supports your positions 100%

druff, having mumbles on your ignore list doesn't work when he's repping everyone of your posts. get a handle on your pet

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cool remember how much this upset you when abortions are illegal, you're forced to rehome displaced floridians, and tap water gave your kids cancer but the insurance agencies wont cover treatment because having tap water is a pre-existing condition.

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you're probably right. i mean, mumbles supports your positions 100%

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i love how thats as close as you can get to admitting how fucked up your priorities are.

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you're probably right. i mean, mumbles supports your positions 100%

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i love how thats as close as you can get to admitting how fucked up your priorities are.

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so having mumbles as your clone doesn't make you think you're doing something wrong?

you realize this guy said he has a system for going weeks without showering, right?

blake trotting out the 'you remind me of the worst person on this site' card is the forum equivalent of a toddler's upper lip trembling.

if all of your views are shared by "the worst person on this site," you need to rethink your priorities

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if all of your views are shared by "the worst person on this site," you need to rethink your priorities

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mumbles is also super into not getting his dick torn off by a turtle. please tell me more about your pro dick torn off by turtles posture and how its going to own the libs.

look if you're vouching for mumbles and think i should give him another chance, that's good enough for me.

honestly say what you will about biden but this ad is some death touch shit:

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The first and last post on page 1 ITT pegged brilliantly

dish loves pegging.


and independents looooove bloomberg.



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...love-bloomberg

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dish loves pegging.


and independents looooove bloomberg.



https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...love-bloomberg

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can't link the image for some reason, but lol at the picture in this article. i'm guessing the editor is not a bernie fan

"Swing voters can be quite ecumenical in their tastes, but a healthy percentage of them draw the line at socialists. In terms of qualities that Independents would not want to see in a Democratic nominee, 'socialist' ranks right near the top, identified by a full 33%."

like all bloomberg is trying to accomplish is obliterating trumps composure to help a democrat win the election and we literally cant find one suited for the job, and instead of recognizing this, the candidates are turning against bloomberg.

i mean..

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Originally Posted by blake

"Swing voters can be quite ecumenical in their tastes, but a healthy percentage of them draw the line at socialists. In terms of qualities that Independents would not want to see in a Democratic nominee, 'socialist' ranks right near the top, identified by a full 33%."

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Blake, polling shows that Sanders currently beats Trump by the largest margin among all feasible Dem candidates, including Bloomberg.

BERNIE SANDERS LEADS DONALD TRUMP BY WIDEST MARGIN OF ALL 2020 CANDIDATES: ELECTION POLL
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...omberg-1483423

Furthermore, only Bernie has the ability among feasible Dem candidates has the ability to motivate massive numbers of the usually undermotivated young and marginalized voters to the polls, as highlighted by Sanders massive support about the young and Latinos, and is also making great strides in gaining support among blacks, as Biden craters.

Seriously, you seem utterly desperate to hang on the tired and outdated paradigm of the “swing voter” as being most important in this election. That might have been true in the past when everyone pretty much got their info from the same media sources. But with the highly polarized voters bases and information silos, voter turnout is now much more important than the “swing” voters. That’s why Trump beat Hillary in 2016. His campaign motivated his base to turn out while also successfully working to suppress turnout among traditional Dem voters in key states.

And in the current election, Bernie’s appeal to the young and marginalized will drive huge percentages of the traditionally less active voters to the polls, and as Mike Bloomberg spends oodles of cash reminding the traditional “swing” voters how much of a pathological liar and fraud Trump is, enough independent voters will hold their noses re Bernie’s “socialism” and join to vote Trump the fuck out of office. (And hopefully enough of those criminal-enabling GOP senators, too, to flip the Senate.)