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Meh. If you dig deep enough A LOT of politicians have shit like this in their past, both Dem and Rep. And most of them were actually politicians when shit was going on, not Reality TV stars. Dude is in his 70s and has been a politician for less than a year. This is an absolutely nothing burger and the only people who give a shit are the ones who already suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by El Gallo
its also a security / clearance concern.
I think it is actually a mistake for piling on him for nothing burger shit that no-one cares about, because it detracts from the real horrible policy shit that is going on. While the national media is obsessing over whether or not fucked prostitutes and called Haiti a piece of shit nation, I am sure there is some real horrible shit going on behind the scenes that does matter that is being overlooked.
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Originally Posted by verminaardMeh. If you dig deep enough A LOT of politicians have shit like this in their past, both Dem and Rep. And most of them were actually politicians when shit was going on, not Reality TV stars. Dude is in his 70s and has been a politician for less than a year. This is an absolutely nothing burger and the only people who give a shit are the ones who already suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
I think it is actually a mistake for piling on him for nothing burger shit that no-one cares about, because it detracts from the real horrible policy shit that is going on. While the national media is obsessing over whether or not fucked prostitutes and called Haiti a piece of shit nation, I am sure there is some real horrible shit going on behind the scenes that does matter that is being overlooked.
this is why no one takes you or for that matter any other trumptards seriously; you're lecturing someone who has gone through a clearance audit on clearance audits.
i get that its fun for you to have opinions and a voice but surely there are things you know about that you can focus on?
I am not lecturing anyone, I am giving my opinion. I do actually give lectures, but not for free. If you guys want to pay me I will put in the time to prepare a lecture. But unless that happens, I am just going to be giving my off the cuff opinion.Quote:
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Originally Posted by verminaard
this is why no one takes you or for that matter any other trumptards seriously; you're lecturing someone who has gone through a clearance audit on clearance audits.
i get that its fun for you to have opinions and a voice but surely there are things you know about that you can focus on?
This thread has reached it's inversion point.
What was once HIV is now full blown AIDS.
Congrats everyone!
Liberals: Obama's doctor was a great man, he is the best in his field.
Also Liberals: Trump's doctor doesnt know what he is doing, he isn't a real doctor.
Real life: They are the same person.
Fucking Trump at it again...
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-427...alflow_twitter
Apple will pay about $38bn in tax on the $250bn cash pile it holds outside the US following recent changes to American tax rules.
The tech giant also plans to to build a new campus and create 20,000 new jobs in the US.
Apple said its plans would contribute more than $350bn to the US economy over the next five years.
haha i know man I was just jokingQuote:
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Originally Posted by big dick
It’s an issue when he’s married and uses his money to cover it up all while pretending to be a Christian and appealing to evangelicals.
If this news broke with any other president in our history in would have been YUGE News!!! Not that I give shit what skanks Cheeto face fucked, but quit kidding yourself, this is worthy of being reported and discussed. You all act like the president should be held to avg to low standards like any other ordinary Joe, which is fucking stupid. You crack me up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaardMeh. If you dig deep enough A LOT of politicians have shit like this in their past, both Dem and Rep. And most of them were actually politicians when shit was going on, not Reality TV stars. Dude is in his 70s and has been a politician for less than a year. This is an absolutely nothing burger and the only people who give a shit are the ones who already suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Clinton was humidoring skanks in the oval office over 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369If this news broke with any other president in our history in would have been YUGE News!!! Not that I give shit what skanks Cheeto face fucked, but quit kidding yourself, this is worthy of being reported and discussed. You all act like the president should be held to avg to low standards like any other ordinary Joe, which is fucking stupid. You crack me up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
What salacious story about Trump's personal life has actually surprised you? Absolutely nothing has surprised me at all, and I am sure there is much worse shit that we just don't know about yet. Did you really think Trump had never had sex with a prostitute in his life or paid hush money to one? If before he was elected you had asked me whether I thought either of these had occurred at some point in his adult life, I would have said absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369If this news broke with any other president in our history in would have been YUGE News!!! Not that I give shit what skanks Cheeto face fucked, but quit kidding yourself, this is worthy of being reported and discussed. You all act like the president should be held to avg to low standards like any other ordinary Joe, which is fucking stupid. You crack me up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
How outraged and indignant am I supposed to be over something that doesn't surprise me at all? No-one is surprised in the slightest by any of this shit. That is why the only people who give a flying fuck are the ones that have Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Whether or not we should have elected someone of Trump's character to be President of the United States is a different story altogether. But once we did, I don't think we should be particularly surprised he is exactly what most of us thought he was to begin with.
I think Obama actually being a decent person is more the exception than the norm when it comes to presidents and politicians in general. I would be surprised if he had a sex scandal story on this level, but nothing that has come out about Trump surprises me in the least, so given that excuse me for not thinking it is much of a story.
Obama was fucking Beyonce, you already know
I think in the past a lot of politicians, including many Democrat ones, had a lot of shit going on that the media didn't report, because things were just different back then. One of the more popular President of his time (JFK) was actually having an affair with a movie star while he was in office and everyone just looked the other way. Maybe I am just old fashioned and wish we still lived in simpler times when we didn't have to pretend to be outraged when politicians we already know are cheating on their wives get caught doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369If this news broke with any other president in our history in would have been YUGE News!!! Not that I give shit what skanks Cheeto face fucked, but quit kidding yourself, this is worthy of being reported and discussed. You all act like the president should be held to avg to low standards like any other ordinary Joe, which is fucking stupid. You crack me up dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
And the Republicans impeached and nearly removed him from office for it. You demand the same be done to Trump, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by devideeClinton was humidoring skanks in the oval office over 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
No. No-one really gave a fuck about that scandal and no-one gives a fuck about this one. It is all just pure partisan politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerAnd the Republicans impeached and nearly removed him from office for it. You demand the same be done to Trump, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Mr. Dummy,Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerAnd the Republicans impeached and nearly removed him from office for it. You demand the same be done to Trump, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Clinton in no way was "nearly removed from office". The House impeachment went absolutely nowhere in the Senate because there was nowhere near 67 votes. You must of forgot that provision in the Constitution. Andrew Johnson was "nearly removed from office", and escaped by one vote in the Senate.
You might want to buy that American History for Dummies, this way you will not look so dumb.
so many white people in this thread, whiting out with each other.
What I said was correct. He was nearly removed. They fell short in the senate. One charge got a 50% but not 2/3. They came close. That's what "nearly" means. You're fucking retarded, go stick your head back in a toilet bottomfag.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullMr. Dummy,Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
Clinton in no way was "nearly removed from office". The House impeachment went absolutely nowhere in the Senate because there was nowhere near 67 votes. You must of forgot that provision in the Constitution. Andrew Johnson was "nearly removed from office", and escaped by one vote in the Senate.
You might want to buy that American History for Dummies, this way you will not look so dumb.
I've been owning you for so long, it's almost become boring. BTW:Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerWhat I said was correct. He was nearly removed. They fell short in the senate. One charge got a majority, but not 2/3. They came close. That's what "nearly" means. You're fucking retarded, go stick your head back in a toilet bottomfag.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
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I was only in my 20s and wasn't following politics especially closely at that time, but my understanding was Clinton got in trouble for perjury for lying about his affairs under oath while he was being sued for sexual harassment (I actually had to look this up, I didn't remember what he was being sued for that led to him lying about his affairs). My understanding is that if he didn't lie about the affairs he wouldn't have been in any impeachment trouble at all.
No. What the Republicans did was absolutely idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerAnd the Republicans impeached and nearly removed him from office for it. You demand the same be done to Trump, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
Correct, he seduced a 21 year old intern and lied about it under oath, there were some other lies (and perhaps murders) but you have the gist of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
Impeachment is only one prong of the equation, that is a simple majority of the House. In the Senate, you have to go through a formal trial chaired by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. You then need 67 Senators to vote yes. In Clinton, despite what HongKonger is making up, it never got to a trial because they were so far away from 67 votes it was not even practical. It just died on arrival.
Impeachment is a total political process. In order for Clinton to have been found guilty in a trial, his entire Democrat base would have had to abandon him, which they did not, so the House vote was a huge waste of time. Nixon was going to trial and would have been convicted because the Republicans walked away from him, so he resigned because he knew the outcome.
With Trump, he will never go to trial because the Republicans will either have a large majority in the Senate in 2018, or maybe only have 49 R Senators. Most likely the Senate will have 53-55 R Senators in 2018 and lose the House. Let's say the Senate goes Democratic by 1 vote, worst case scenario is 49 R Senators. That means you would need 18 to flip and that is not going to happen, Trump is still wildly popular with the Republican base. The only scenario is some personal crisis unfolds for Trump and the economy tanks, then any President is open for removal under that scenario.
Hey dumbass, Clinton went to trial. The senate proceeding WAS the trial. The senate is the jury in an impeachment trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullCorrect, he seduced a 21 year old intern and lied about it under oath, there were some other lies (and perhaps murders) but you have the gist of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
Impeachment is only one prong of the equation, that is a simple majority of the House. In the Senate, you have to go through a formal trial chaired by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. You then need 67 Senators to vote yes. In Clinton, despite what HongKonger is making up, it never got to a trial because they were so far away from 67 votes it was not even practical. It just died on arrival.
Impeachment is a total political process. In order for Clinton to have been found guilty in a trial, his entire Democrat base would have had to abandon him, which they did not, so the House vote was a huge waste of time. Nixon was going to trial and would have been convicted because the Republicans walked away from him, so he resigned because he knew the outcome.
With Trump, he will never go to trial because the Republicans will either have a large majority in the Senate in 2018, or maybe only have 49 R Senators. Most likely the Senate will have 53-55 R Senators in 2018 and lose the House. Let's say the Senate goes Democratic by 1 vote, worst case scenario is 49 R Senators. That means you would need 18 to flip and that is not going to happen, Trump is still wildly popular with the Republican base. The only scenario is some personal crisis unfolds for Trump and the economy tanks, then any President is open for removal under that scenario.
He never said it wasn't. He just said Clinton had enough support in the Senate (and the American people in general) that he was never going to be impeached and the whole impeachment proceeding was a big waste of time and money from the start. Did you actually read his post? It doesn't appear you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerHey dumbass, Clinton went to trial. The senate proceeding WAS the trial. The senate is the jury in an impeachment trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
Honkonger and Muck Ficon have been obsessed with me for years. Every couple days or so I make a post that gets under their skin and they freak out and begin their obsession with neg reps. It's called being in someone's mind. As long as it humors me, I'll continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaardHe never said it wasn't. He just said Clinton had enough support in the Senate (and the American people in general) that he was never going to be impeached and the whole impeachment proceeding was a big waste of time and money from the start. Did you actually read his post? It doesn't appear you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
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Originally Posted by verminaard
Yeah, lying is what get's these folks every time. It's their hubris and vanity. Ask Michael Vick, Martha Stewart, Bill Clinton, etc. Hell, the guy that Mueller is going to have flip that worked for Trump wasn't indicted for whatever he did, he was indicted for lying under oath.
I read the part where he wrote "it never got to trial." Did you misunderstand that?Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaardHe never said it wasn't. He just said Clinton had enough support in the Senate (and the American people in general) that he was never going to be impeached and the whole impeachment proceeding was a big waste of time and money from the start. Did you actually read his post? It doesn't appear you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkonger
AMBASSADOR RODMAN IN REHAB
hopefully we can do this w/o him. He should be out halfway thru the Olympics to give a glorious speech
Ok, fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by hongkongerI read the part where he wrote "it never got to trial." Did you misunderstand that?Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
And it was YUGE news. What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by devideeClinton was humidoring skanks in the oval office over 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
In that sense I understand. I'm sure no sane person is surprised by that. My point wasn't that we should be surprised, it was that this is news worthy considering he is the president.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaardWhat salacious story about Trump's personal life has actually surprised you? Absolutely nothing has surprised me at all, and I am sure there is much worse shit that we just don't know about yet. Did you really think Trump had never had sex with a prostitute in his life or paid hush money to one? If before he was elected you had asked me whether I thought either of these had occurred at some point in his adult life, I would have said absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
How outraged and indignant am I supposed to be over something that doesn't surprise me at all? No-one is surprised in the slightest by any of this shit. That is why the only people who give a flying fuck are the ones that have Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Whether or not we should have elected someone of Trump's character to be President of the United States is a different story altogether. But once we did, I don't think we should be particularly surprised he is exactly what most of us thought he was to begin with.
I think Obama actually being a decent person is more the exception than the norm when it comes to presidents and politicians in general. I would be surprised if he had a sex scandal story on this level, but nothing that has come out about Trump surprises me in the least, so given that excuse me for not thinking it is much of a story.
In the grand scheme of things, this is nothing compared to the rest of the bullshit, and that right there is the point of all of this. With any other president in history this is a very big story and earth shattering to a degree. Can you imagine if a story like this came out about Obama? Seriously... GOP jokers would still be harping on that like a a second Benghazi. With Trump this story is just a drop in the bucket.
I guess I'm on your mind then... A lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullHonkonger and Muck Ficon have been obsessed with me for years. Every couple days or so I make a post that gets under their skin and they freak out and begin their obsession with neg reps. It's called being in someone's mind. As long as it humors me, I'll continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
You are actually level-headed. A very liberal far left person, but not a sociopath leftist. If I were to categorize you, I would put you in the Corey Booker / Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer liberal camp. Not Elizabeth Warren or Keith Ellison camp. But you are definitely a Pelosi Liberal, which is fine, you have your belief system and that is ok. You have not apparently crossed the path of becoming a radical.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369I guess I'm on your mind then... A lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgull
Simply that the sequel is rarely as yuge as the original.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369And it was YUGE news. What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by devidee
LOL.. I already debated this with Druff and destroyed his argument so bad he ran away from the conversation. Far left liberal, no, just a centrist who sees this administration and political party for what it is. A morally bankrupt bunch of douchebags that dont give a fuck about anything other than themselves and their donors and rich friends. All that along with what basically amounts to state run prime time television masked as news pushing their lies and agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgullYou are actually level-headed. A very liberal far left person, but not a sociopath leftist. If I were to categorize you, I would put you in the Corey Booker / Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer liberal camp. Not Elizabeth Warren or Keith Ellison camp. But you are definitely a Pelosi Liberal, which is fine, you have your belief system and that is ok. You have not apparently crossed the path of becoming a radical.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
This seriously can't be real life. We have to be living in the Matrix. This is the best they got??? A year in the white house and this the top 10 fake news stories the GOP can come up with? Holy shit!! If someone wanted to do this for Trump it would literally be a top 100 list considering they now have over 2,000 very provable lies on record and they would actually matter, as opposed to a story about Trump over feeding fish.
https://gop.com/the-highly-anticipat...e-news-awards/
Propaganda...
Damn...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati...195231139.html
This is seriously.
These examples that clearly show the Citizens United decision needs to be undone as part of comprehensive campaign funding reform are possibly the most depressing of all news reports. When there is no way to legally fight against the huge money fuckers that fund every politician regardless of party and pay for an army of lobbyists it sure as hell doesn't feel like any kind of democracy. Nothing left but a slide downwards until the vast majority can no longer afford entertainments and mind altering substances. Then its just a matter of time until the big convulsion, whatever shape that takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by vegas1369
Last use of the guillotine in France.
One of these fuckers has resigned after flying in govt paid for private jets to non-govt events. All the rest are looking for every opportunity to sell influence, no bid contracts etc except Chou and Devos. Kochs wanted Pence to run for prez, he declined but after the election Kochs ordered him to accept VP and they paid to get him there. Pruitt, Zinke, Perry, and Ross please die real soon.
"Mexico will pay for the wall."