I didn't vote for Trump the first time but with the shithole countries line, he has my vote in 2020.
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I didn't vote for Trump the first time but with the shithole countries line, he has my vote in 2020.
new sanctions against Iran apparently coming . Soooo fucking stupid
Yup. Way to squash what little progress there's been toward modernization.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmoney
And cue Iran's first nuclear test in 3, 2, 1...
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Originally Posted by cmoney
and he just supported pulling nato troops out of the territories russia wants to reclaim by military force.
probably just a misunderstanding.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F02Z7Quote:
U.S. President Donald Trump said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal on Thursday that messages exchanged between employees at the Federal Bureau of Investigation who were working on a special counsel investigation into whether Russia had meddled in the 2016 election amounted to treason.
thats awesome tho that his third catastrophic embarrassment came a full 5 hours after the 2nd, he's really pacing himself.
Huma Abedin about to get exposed for money laundering.
daily news cover tomorrow:
trump is a complete buffoon and his wording is literally that of a retarded person, but in fairness i think a means-based immigration system where we primarily let in wealthy people doesn't sound like a horrible idea.
obv i'm not an economist and don't really know the impact of letting in primarily poor people, but it's hard for me to believe that's a net positive on the poor/unemployed people in this country already
trump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.
I think that's what Australia does
no doubt the refugee aspect is a tough one and i'm really not suggesting we close our doors to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatinetrump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.
i'm just saying we need to have a frank, grown-up discussion as to whether it's fundamentally evil or racist to place a higher emphasis on wealth when considering who we let into the country. i suspect the 1% loves the poor people coming into this country for the cheap labor, but i'm also *guessing* (admittedly, no data to back this up) that it may be a net negative for poor people already here competing for the same jobs.
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Originally Posted by blakeno doubt the refugee aspect is a tough one and i'm really not suggesting we close our doors to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
i'm just saying we need to have a frank, grown-up discussion as to whether it's fundamentally evil or racist to place a higher emphasis on wealth when considering who we let into the country. i suspect the 1% loves the poor people coming into this country for the cheap labor, but i'm also *guessing* (admittedly, no data to back this up) that it may be a net negative for poor people already here competing for the same jobs.
yeah but literally try to find a group of poor people trying to come in that trump hasnt either personally demonized or allowed others to demonize for him.
you know, aside from russians.
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Originally Posted by sonatinetrump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.
Isn't it your dream to move to a country (New Zealand) that does exactly what you are so against. Only lets in people that can prove they bring something useful to the table?
Also, lets be honest. It is only the developed Western countries (Europe, US, Canada) where there is all this pressure to ship in black and brown poors from other countries. The wealthy countries in the Middle East only let in poors to basically be indentured servants and then kick them out again (if they survive). And the wealthy East Asian countries (ie Japan, S Korea) don't let in black and brown poors at all, and couldn't give a flying fuck about standards and compassion.
I mean, you can make the argument that much of Africa and the Middle East is so fucked up because of US and European imperialism, so it is our obligation to bring in refugees. That is fine.
But lets not pretend that it is some moral obligation of all developed nations, because clearly it is not.
STRATEGIC PATIENCE YOU NERDS
#MAGA
#WHENTHEHAMMERDROPSDONTBEMAD
#QANON=LOLLARP
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Originally Posted by verminaardWait,Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Isn't it your dream to move to a country (New Zealand) that does exactly what you are so against. Only lets in people that can prove they bring something useful to the table?
Also, lets be honest. It is only the developed Western countries (Europe, US, Canada) where there is all this pressure to ship in black and brown poors from other countries. The wealthy countries in the Middle East only let in poors to basically be indentured servants and then kick them out again (if they survive). And the wealthy East Asian countries (ie Japan, S Korea) don't let in black and brown poors at all, and couldn't give a flying fuck about standards and compassion.
I mean, you can make the argument that much of Africa and the Middle East is so fucked up because of US and European imperialism, so it is our obligation to bring in refugees. That is fine.
But lets not pretend that it is some moral obligation of developed nations, because clearly it is not.
new zealand has a refugee visa program.
honestly its not much of one but new zealand also isnt a major contributor to global warming, nor does it destabilize huge swathes of land, sewing chaos and bloodshed for generations because the son of a 1 term president wanted to impress his dad.
Of course letting in unskilled labor is great for the 1% and bad for everyone else, especially current unskilled laborers. But using the MSM as their tools, the 1% is crafty enough to discuss immigration in terms of racial identity politics, so that poor minority immigrants are manipulated into supporting immigration policies designed to depress their wages and standard of living.Quote:
Originally Posted by blakeno doubt the refugee aspect is a tough one and i'm really not suggesting we close our doors to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
i'm just saying we need to have a frank, grown-up discussion as to whether it's fundamentally evil or racist to place a higher emphasis on wealth when considering who we let into the country. i suspect the 1% loves the poor people coming into this country for the cheap labor, but i'm also *guessing* (admittedly, no data to back this up) that it may be a net negative for poor people already here competing for the same jobs.
I remember when he was running Bernie Sanders originally made a similar argument, but he was pressured by the identity politics crowd to back track.
Agree or disagree with Trumps immigration policy reform ideas, at least I know what his ideas are more or less. I seriously have no clue what the Democrats immigration policy is. Do they even have one?
Ok, so you seem to be supporting the narrative that it is our obligation as a nation to bring in refugees due to our imperialistic ventures. That is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatineQuote:
Originally Posted by verminaard
new zealand has a refugee visa program.
honestly its not much of one but new zealand also isnt a major contributor to global warming, nor does it destabilize huge swathes of land, sewing chaos and bloodshed for generations because the son of a 1 term president wanted to impress his dad.
But lets not pretend that all developed nations but the US are opening in refugees with open arms, and we are the evil ones. Except for European countries, US and Canada most "wealthy" nations don't really let in refugees at all except for mostly symbolic token amounts, for the simple reason they don't think it is in their best interests to do so.
I feel like youre really investing a lot of energy into backing me into some corner and painting me as an absolutist, which is regrettable since I've spent several posts with blake discussing all the ways our immigration policy cannot be dictated by someone who considered the homes of immigrants "shitholes", but absolutely needs to be sanity checked, just like countries with functional governments.
Once that represented a cornerstone of the morality of this nation. Now the first lady is an mail-order bride who despises other immigrants.Quote:
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
How laughable, how gauche.
BOUT TO MOONWALK ON THAT FAGGOT ASS
I don't think the night off worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
Sorry shithole country...
Another issue where the truth is in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by blake
100% not a net positive for US poor people. But even the poorest people who were brought up in the US aren't going to do the ass wipeing some of these Haitian Women do at these elder care centers. You want to come here and wipe some ass so that your kid has a better lot in life you should have a path to citizenship, and you get in line to do so. You want to come here from a shithole country and go to local yard sales to scrap up bullshit to resale at the swap meet on Sunday while living 15 in a house built for 4.... fuck that.
If you are even near top of your class from a doctor/Tech/Engineer school you go front of the line.
Also - love the "outrage" over the choice of words. And I get this is the President of the USA we are talking about here and he/she shouldn't say shit like that. But if we are being entirely honest here if you were on family fued 4 days ago and Steve Harvey asked the question "Choose one word that describes Hati" what's the #1 answer?
I dare you to tell me Shithole isn't in your top 5.
Just be honest.
Bring us your ass wipers!!!
A bipartisan immigration plan was just rejected by Trump because it didnt fund his wall.
Tell me more about how you're not offended by him calling other countries shitholes tho.
wait, are we denying that Haiti is a shithole country or just pissed that the president said it out loud?
Based shithole dweller...
To be fair to Haiti, it's not the country. It's the people living in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspoker
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Originally Posted by Daly
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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker
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Originally Posted by devideeTo be fair to Haiti, it's not the country. It's the people living in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shortbuspoker
I regret that i have no rep left to give here. Raincheck fellas.
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Originally Posted by devideeBased shithole dweller...
:lol4
OH the irony..........
It's only making the President stronger..........
It's not going to work you traitors....STRATEGIC PATIENCE.....
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Originally Posted by Daly
Not in my top 5. And while I'm being honest your racism/xenophobia jumps off the page.
Same goes for devisee, tellafriend, and the usual suspects in this thread
The Vend diagram between people in this thread saying "but Haiti IS a shithole!" and people who live within 30 miles of the high school they graduated from is juuuust about a single overlapping circle.
This isn't an argument for Haiti being a non-shithole.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
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Originally Posted by devideeThis isn't an argument for Haiti being a non-shithole.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
You don’t say that when you are president... you don’t fucking disrespect an entire country of people. He’s a fucking bully. They are obviously not a well off country, why kick them? This is the kind of guy that treats people who serve him like shit and those people are the nut low...
Everytime I see someone treat a cabbie or a waitress like shit it tells me a lot about the person... what trump said speaks volumes of who he is.... a shitty person, and in this country we are not the shitty people he is making us out to be
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Originally Posted by El GalloQuote:
Originally Posted by devidee
You don’t say that when you are president... you don’t fucking disrespect an entire country of people. He’s a fucking bully. They are obviously not a well off country, why kick them? This is the kind of guy that treats people who serve him like shit and those people are the but low...
Everytime I see someone treat a cabbie or a waitress like shit it tells me a lot about the person... what trump said speaks volumes of who he is.... a shitty person, and in this country we are not the shitty people he is making us out to be
lay off the soy bean lattes ffs
I don’t drink coffee or caffeineQuote:
Originally Posted by DJ_ChapsQuote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
lay off the soy bean lattes ffs