Time to get on the TRUMP train

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Originally Posted by verminaard

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Originally Posted by blake

a news reporter should not be trying to accomplish anything except providing readers with facts. the press should not care about trying to change people's minds.

it seems we both believe trump is an unstable psychopath who says and does the dumbest shit imaginable. why would the press attempt to hide this fact?

i don't even understand what you think the press should be doing differently. not cover his mean tweets?

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If you really believe this than IMO you are very naive and don't have a very good understanding of how journalism works. I don't see myself changing your mind however, so I think we are just going to have to disagree and move on.

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this is weird though.

on the one hand, you freely admit trump's a mentally ill retard, who earns every ounce of criticism he gets.

on the other hand, you seem to be implying that the press is too hard on him

how are both of these things possible?

also you still haven't explained what you think the press should be doing, but isn't.

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Originally Posted by LegalizeMeth

watching Tine vs. Verminhead battle it out reminds me of when Chaminade plays Duke or Kentucky in that shitty thanksgiving tournament, such a brutal mismatch

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He isn't that bad. More like when Duke plays one of the lower tier ACC schools. They are still going to win, but things will be interesting for a half or so. But thanks.

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Originally Posted by verminaard

I know Trump becoming president wasn't a good thing. But I think the last year and the next 3 could have gone a whole lot better if everyone just rolled with it

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jesus how did i miss this gem

YOU THINK THE GUY'S A MENTALLY ILL RETARD, YET WONDER WHY THE PRESS DOESN'T JUST ROLL WITH IT

I miss when Wiz was a funny retard clown. It sucks that he ended up actually being sidedish.

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Originally Posted by blake

YOU THINK THE GUY'S A MENTALLY ILL RETARD, YET WONDER WHY THE PRESS DOESN'T JUST ROLL WITH IT

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I believe there is a happy middle ground between openly feuding with the president on twitter and pandering to him.

Even for a president as bad as Trump, when a huge % of your news stories are about him, and 95% of these are negative things have probably crossed the line IMO.

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Originally Posted by verminaard

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Originally Posted by blake

YOU THINK THE GUY'S A MENTALLY ILL RETARD, YET WONDER WHY THE PRESS DOESN'T JUST ROLL WITH IT

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I believe there is a happy middle ground between openly feuding with the president on twitter and pandering to him.

Even for a president as bad as Trump, when a huge % of your news stories are about him, and 95% of these are negative things have probably crossed the line IMO.

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YOU THINK THE GUY'S A MENTALLY ILL RETARD YET THINK HE RECEIVES TOO MUCH NEGATIVE PRESS

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

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Originally Posted by blake

YOU THINK THE GUY'S A MENTALLY ILL RETARD YET THINK HE RECEIVES TOO MUCH NEGATIVE PRESS

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

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The mainstream media has succeeded in painting Trump as a racist to the general public and also has succeeded in equating conservative white people into violent nazi thugs to every non-white under 30 in this country. It has actually damaged our nation and set race relations back 50 years



and the mainstream media knowingly did this to try to stop him from getting elected. picture is Trump and a woman he dated for 2 years, most of you probably haven't seen it because it goes against the "Trump is wacist and a nazi" reddit bullshit so many people can't see through

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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe

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Originally Posted by blake

YOU THINK THE GUY'S A MENTALLY ILL RETARD YET THINK HE RECEIVES TOO MUCH NEGATIVE PRESS

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

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The mainstream media has succeeded in painting Trump as a racist to the general public and also has succeeded in equating conservative white people into violent nazi thugs to every non-white under 30 in this country. It has actually damaged our nation and set race relations back 50 years



and the mainstream media knowingly did this to try to stop him from getting elected. picture is Trump and a woman he dated for 2 years, most of you probably haven't seen it because it goes against the "Trump is wacist and a nazi" reddit bullshit so many people can't see through

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFi0EHh1f0I

Please just watch this then just STFU.

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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe

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Originally Posted by blake

YOU THINK THE GUY'S A MENTALLY ILL RETARD YET THINK HE RECEIVES TOO MUCH NEGATIVE PRESS

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

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The mainstream media has succeeded in painting Trump as a racist to the general public and also has succeeded in equating conservative white people into violent nazi thugs to every non-white under 30 in this country. It has actually damaged our nation and set race relations back 50 years



and the mainstream media knowingly did this to try to stop him from getting elected. picture is Trump and a woman he dated for 2 years, most of you probably haven't seen it because it goes against the "Trump is wacist and a nazi" reddit bullshit so many people can't see through

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odd, i didnt see a single MSM honcho at that literal nazi rally in charlotsville.


you know, the one trump said some mighty fine people attended.

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Originally Posted by vegas1369

Please just watch this then just STFU.

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i don't even know the context of this clip but I don't agree with different rules for different races. I am not offended by the Pocahontas thing either if that's what you're getting at

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Originally Posted by vegas1369

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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe

The mainstream media has succeeded in painting Trump as a racist to the general public and also has succeeded in equating conservative white people into violent nazi thugs to every non-white under 30 in this country. It has actually damaged our nation and set race relations back 50 years



and the mainstream media knowingly did this to try to stop him from getting elected. picture is Trump and a woman he dated for 2 years, most of you probably haven't seen it because it goes against the "Trump is wacist and a nazi" reddit bullshit so many people can't see through

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFi0EHh1f0I

Please just watch this then just STFU.

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What??? He is arguing the people opening casinos on Indian reservations aren't really Indians. They are just scamming the system. Whether you believe he is correct or not, this video is a horrible example showing Trump is a blatant racist.

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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe

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Originally Posted by sonatine

if you feel the NYT and CNN are engaging in anything close to that caliber of gaslighting and/or subversion, then a) im sorry but you're obviously wrong and b) i see now why you want to shut this convo down.

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CNN is Democrat propaganda. Fox News being GOP propaganda does not negate that.

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[cnn] Virtually all propaganda from our national enemies was pro-Trump.

[Fox] OBAMA WAS LITERALLY BORN IN AFRICA AND HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS FAKE.

[PFAlt-Right] See? Plenty of blame to be placed on both sides of the spectrum. Clearly MSM is garbage and cant be trusted.

I am sure Trump is racist to some extent. I would argue pretty much everyone is racist, it is one of those things that has been selected for and hardwired into us. Trust people in your group that look like you and be wary of everyone else.

The irony is that as a whole because of social conditioning 21st century white Westerners are the least racist group of humans who have ever lived in the history of human civilization, and yet we have somehow completely subverted the term so that only white people can be racist and everyone else just gets a free pass.

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Originally Posted by verminaard

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Originally Posted by vegas1369

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFi0EHh1f0I

Please just watch this then just STFU.

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What??? He is arguing the people opening casinos on Indian reservations aren't really Indians. They are just scamming the system. Whether you believe he is correct or not, this video is a horrible example showing Trump is a blatant racist.

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Seriously? Wow dude... He's not arguing they're not Indians, he's arguing they don't "look" like Indians therefore they must not be Indians. You really don't see the racist undertones and bigotry of that statement?

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come on man, everybody (including you) knows CNN is extremely biased against GOP candidates in every presidential election. Just 24 hours a day of negative coverage of the right wing. that's not me being edgy or contrarian, it's just out there, it's widely known and accepted by people on the left and right... it's stupid and dishonest to deny CNN's liberal bias. Fox News came out as a "republican" version of CNN and became successful because there was a big vacuum out there for "conservative" biased news on the shitbox

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come on man, everybody (including you) knows CNN is extremely biased against GOP candidates in every presidential election. Just 24 hours a day of negative coverage for the right wing. that's not me being edgy or contrarian, it's just out there and it's stupid to deny their liberal bias. Fox News came out as a "republican" version of CNN and became successful because there was a big vacuum out there for "conservative" biased news on the shitbox

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the assertion that their bias is somehow equal is where this becomes a problem.

fox news went to court claiming they were not beholden to journalistic standards and fucking won.

they are pariahs among educated, responsible adults.

they hit a sweet spot with you because you loathe shiftless and savage negro beasts, so i get that you're not interested in being on my side of the pitchfork here. but when fox news goes to court saying 'lol we arent even an actual news channel so suck a dick up until you hiccup' it undermines your assertions.

is it racist for me to notice that Trump's non-white ex girlfriend looks like a quadroon at best?

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Originally Posted by vegas1369

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Originally Posted by verminaard

What??? He is arguing the people opening casinos on Indian reservations aren't really Indians. They are just scamming the system. Whether you believe he is correct or not, this video is a horrible example showing Trump is a blatant racist.

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Seriously? Wow dude... He's not arguing they're not Indians, he's arguing they don't "look" like Indians therefore they must not be Indians. You really don't see the racist undertones and bigotry of that statement?

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I think you are reaching.

Anyways, if this is slam dunk proof Trump is a raging racist, than I would argue the vast majority of people in this country (of all races) have said something just as bigoted at some point in their lives and are raging racists if this is the bar. Most people are just aware and self-conscious enough not to say something like this in a public hearing (or whatever it is)

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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe

the assertion that their bias is somehow equal is where this becomes a problem.

fox news went to court claiming they were not beholden to journalistic standards and fucking won.

they are pariahs among educated, responsible adults.

they hit a sweet spot with you because you loathe shiftless and savage negro beasts, so i get that you're not interested in being on my side of the pitchfork here. but when fox news goes to court saying 'lol we arent even an actual news channel so suck a dick up until you hiccup' it undermines your assertions.

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My side is not as bad as your side is not a very persuasive argument IMO, even if it is true. I would also tend to agree if the MSM wasn't so partisan and agenda driven, there would have been no vacuum for right wing media to fill, and there wouldn't have been a Fox News and Rush Limbaugh at least to the extent they are, and we would all be better off for it.

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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe

is it racist for me to notice that Trump's non-white ex girlfriend looks like a quadroon at best?

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I think she is/was pretty hot.

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Originally Posted by verminaard

My side is not as bad as your side is not a very persuasive argument IMO, even if it is true.

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Yeah and that is the crux of the issue isnt it; we need to drag your side kicking and screaming to the truth.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

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Originally Posted by verminaard

My side is not as bad as your side is not a very persuasive argument IMO, even if it is true.

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Yeah and that is the crux of the issue isnt it; we need to drag your side kicking and screaming to the truth.

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I don't have a side. I think picking sides is a real bad idea. Because then you just become an ideologue and it prohibits you from thinking clearly. You think just because you are an ideologue and follow a playbook that everyone else is the same. In your mind I am probably some sort of inconsistent flip flopper just because I believe Trump is a bad president AND the media's handling of him is poor.

Reminds me of a saying, "If we are all thinking alike, then no-one is thinking." I think that sums it up pretty well for both sides of the political spectrum today.

What happened to Marty?

Banned again?

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related news, trump's fema gooftard paid a florida company 30m for tarps to act as rudimentary shelter in puerto rico.


as if i even need to say where that went....


'It is not clear how thoroughly Fema investigated Bronze Star or its ability to fulfill the contracts. Formed by two brothers in August, Bronze Star had never before won a government contract or delivered tarps or plastic sheeting. The address listed for the business is a single-family home in a residential subdivision in St Cloud, Florida.'


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-fema-contract


its so weird tho because who would have ever imagined that staffing essential government posts with people who absolutely hate the agencies they are hired to head up would yield these results.

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Originally Posted by verminaard

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Yeah and that is the crux of the issue isnt it; we need to drag your side kicking and screaming to the truth.

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I don't have a side. I think picking sides is a real bad idea. Because then you just become an ideologue and it prohibits you from thinking clearly. You think just because you are an ideologue and follow a playbook that everyone else is the same. In your mind I am probably some sort of inconsistent flip flopper just because I believe Trump is a bad president AND the media's handling of him is poor.

Reminds me of a saying, "If we are all thinking alike, then no-one is thinking." I think that sums it up pretty well for both sides of the political spectrum today.

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one side voted for a guy to run the united states who'se sum experience with the government is being sued by it.

you dont seem to be on the side that finds that shocking and repulsive.

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Originally Posted by verminaard

The irony is that as a whole because of social conditioning 21st century white Westerners are the least racist group of humans who have ever lived in the history of human civilization, and yet we have somehow completely subverted the term so that only white people can be racist and everyone else just gets a free pass.

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you're right, of course, that members of any race can hold racist beliefs.

the part you're missing is that the racism that matters is the racism that's perpetrated by the majority (i.e., the ones in power).

minority groups being racist against white people (or whoever is in power) is just kind of laughable.

like, if a black guy walked up to a white guy and called him a "honkey" or "cracker", the white guy would just spit out his drink laughing. it's just not the same as when a white guy does it to a black guy

seriously, i'm struggling to even come up with a "racist" term for white people. like, i have to go back to the jeffersons circa 1970s to pull honkey out

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by verminaard

The irony is that as a whole because of social conditioning 21st century white Westerners are the least racist group of humans who have ever lived in the history of human civilization, and yet we have somehow completely subverted the term so that only white people can be racist and everyone else just gets a free pass.

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you're right, of course, that members of any race can hold racist beliefs.

the part you're missing is that the racism that matters is the racism that's perpetrated by the majority (i.e., the ones in power).

minority groups being racist against white people (or whoever is in power) is just kind of laughable.

like, if a black guy walked up to a white guy and called him a "honkey" or "cracker", the white guy would just spit out his drink laughing. it's just not the same as when a white guy does it to a black guy

seriously, i'm struggling to even come up with a "racist" term for white people. like, i have to go back to the jeffersons circa 1970s to pull honkey out

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If this was true Trump wouldn't be president right now. Clearly a lot of (mostly white) people are not just "laughing" at the double standards you are so ok with.

Maybe rich people (of all races) are laughing because poor minorities and poor white people are going after each other over which side has more privilege, when none of them do. I doubt very many top 1%ers are showing up to march (and fight) at either alt right or BLM rallies.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

they hit a sweet spot with you because you loathe shiftless and savage negro beasts, so i get that you're not interested in being on my side of the pitchfork here. but when fox news goes to court saying 'lol we arent even an actual news channel so suck a dick up until you hiccup' it undermines your assertions.

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wrong, I hate Fox News just as much as I hate CNN. I get my news through the internet, it's almost 2018. My politics aren't influenced by racial hatred at all. I was flipped to conservatism by Ron Paul and lolbertarian "protect my weed plants from married gay couples with my guns" thinking in my early 20's. I would call myself a Republican but if you dig into this thread you'll find that I am very conflicted about Trump and I am in no way a true believer or an "alt-right" person, even if I troll and bait and post racist shit, I detest identity politics and manufactured politicized outrage and think it's ruining our country and poisoning the minds of our young people

sonatine, what does it say about you when tellafriend is your biggest fan on the site

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Originally Posted by verminaard

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Originally Posted by blake

you're right, of course, that members of any race can hold racist beliefs.

the part you're missing is that the racism that matters is the racism that's perpetrated by the majority (i.e., the ones in power).

minority groups being racist against white people (or whoever is in power) is just kind of laughable.

like, if a black guy walked up to a white guy and called him a "honkey" or "cracker", the white guy would just spit out his drink laughing. it's just not the same as when a white guy does it to a black guy

seriously, i'm struggling to even come up with a "racist" term for white people. like, i have to go back to the jeffersons circa 1970s to pull honkey out

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If this was true Trump wouldn't be president right now. Clearly a lot of (mostly white) people are not just "laughing" at the double standards you are so ok with.

Maybe rich people (of all races) are laughing because poor minorities and poor white people are going after each other over which side has more privilege, when none of them do. I doubt very many top 1%ers are showing up to march (and fight) at either alt right or BLM rallies.

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this did not seem to relate to my post

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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe

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Originally Posted by sonatine

they hit a sweet spot with you because you loathe shiftless and savage negro beasts, so i get that you're not interested in being on my side of the pitchfork here. but when fox news goes to court saying 'lol we arent even an actual news channel so suck a dick up until you hiccup' it undermines your assertions.

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wrong, I hate Fox News just as much as I hate CNN. I get my news through the internet, it's almost 2018. My politics aren't influenced by racial hatred at all. I was flipped to conservatism by Ron Paul and lolbertarian "protect my weed plants from married gay couples with my guns" thinking in my early 20's. I would call myself a Republican but if you dig into this thread you'll find that I am very conflicted about Trump and I am in no way a true believer or an "alt-right" person, even if I troll and bait and post racist shit, I detest identity politics and manufactured politicized outrage and think it's ruining our country and poisoning the minds of our young people

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i had a lot of hope for libertarianism until it basically got taken over by the religious right.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

related news, trump's fema gooftard paid a florida company 30m for tarps to act as rudimentary shelter in puerto rico.


as if i even need to say where that went....


'It is not clear how thoroughly Fema investigated Bronze Star or its ability to fulfill the contracts. Formed by two brothers in August, Bronze Star had never before won a government contract or delivered tarps or plastic sheeting. The address listed for the business is a single-family home in a residential subdivision in St Cloud, Florida.'


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-fema-contract


its so weird tho because who would have ever imagined that staffing essential government posts with people who absolutely hate the agencies they are hired to head up would yield these results.

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This is a terrible story, no doubt, and this reeks of massive incompetence on all fronts.

With that said, the government is awful at things like this, and it's not party specific.

Look at the firm hired to design healthcare.gov under Obama -- and the $560 million wasted on it.

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Originally Posted by LegalizeMeth

watching Tine vs. Verminhead battle it out reminds me of when Chaminade plays Duke or Kentucky in that shitty thanksgiving tournament, such a brutal mismatch

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more like the generals vs the globetrotters because chaminade has at least won a few times

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by verminaard

The irony is that as a whole because of social conditioning 21st century white Westerners are the least racist group of humans who have ever lived in the history of human civilization, and yet we have somehow completely subverted the term so that only white people can be racist and everyone else just gets a free pass.

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you're right, of course, that members of any race can hold racist beliefs.

the part you're missing is that the racism that matters is the racism that's perpetrated by the majority (i.e., the ones in power).

minority groups being racist against white people (or whoever is in power) is just kind of laughable.

like, if a black guy walked up to a white guy and called him a "honkey" or "cracker", the white guy would just spit out his drink laughing. it's just not the same as when a white guy does it to a black guy

seriously, i'm struggling to even come up with a "racist" term for white people. like, i have to go back to the jeffersons circa 1970s to pull honkey out

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You lost me. Does it hurt any less?

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Originally Posted by Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe

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Originally Posted by blake

YOU THINK THE GUY'S A MENTALLY ILL RETARD YET THINK HE RECEIVES TOO MUCH NEGATIVE PRESS

HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

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The mainstream media has succeeded in painting Trump as a racist to the general public and also has succeeded in equating conservative white people into violent nazi thugs to every non-white under 30 in this country. It has actually damaged our nation and set race relations back 50 years

and the mainstream media knowingly did this to try to stop him from getting elected. picture is Trump and a woman he dated for 2 years, most of you probably haven't seen it because it goes against the "Trump is wacist and a nazi" reddit bullshit so many people can't see through

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you can't be serious if you don't put most of the blame on trump for huge segments of this country thinking he's a racist.

did you hear his mexicans are rapists speech or how he wanted to ban all muslims?

do you remember how he said there were a lot of good people that marched with the KKK in charlottesville?

can you tell me exactly what racial group the slogan "Make America Great Again" would appeal to? when, exactly, was america great for minorities? you don't think trump knew who he was pandering to with that?

saying he's not a racist, he's only retarded can only get you so far.

why do you think white supremacist groups view him as the messiah? what do you think they see in him that they like so much?

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Originally Posted by blake

you're right, of course, that members of any race can hold racist beliefs.

the part you're missing is that the racism that matters is the racism that's perpetrated by the majority (i.e., the ones in power).

minority groups being racist against white people (or whoever is in power) is just kind of laughable.

like, if a black guy walked up to a white guy and called him a "honkey" or "cracker", the white guy would just spit out his drink laughing. it's just not the same as when a white guy does it to a black guy

seriously, i'm struggling to even come up with a "racist" term for white people. like, i have to go back to the jeffersons circa 1970s to pull honkey out

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You lost me. Does it hurt any less?

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i assume this is some gay sex reference which is probably hilarious but you lost me

blake getting hecka pitchy considering his kind are taking all the opportunities from white people at great private schools and universities