Let’s do this Gut!
Tribe still without a day off. 8 straight. Lopez is tough. Don’t love our shot.
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Let’s do this Gut!
Tribe still without a day off. 8 straight. Lopez is tough. Don’t love our shot.
Remember how the Marlins were thought to possibly be wildcard contenders?
They're 0-8. And they haven't exactly lost to great teams -- mostly Pittsburgh and St. Louis. Ouch.
Yes, they started without Eury Perez, Braxton Garrett and Edward Cabrera, but they've just been really bad.
I went to the Dodgers game on Wednesday night. Took Ben. It was Dodgers hoodie night and he wanted one. Somehow they always fuck up their promotions. This year we got the hoodies, but they only had XL size left. Apparently they had two sizes -- XL and Medium, and they under-ordered the medium.
I still don't see why they limit these items to the first 40,000 fans when they're expecting 50,000 (and 50,000 couldn't get in on time anyway, due to traffic).
Pretty interesting game, was never a blowout, Dodgers never trailed, but also were within 1 run most of the game. We got to see Ohtani's first HR as a Dodger, which I actually called before it happened on a 3-1 count.
Dodgers offense is going to crush it during the regular season. Top 6 in lineup are Betts, Ohtani, Freeman, Will Smith, Teoscar Hernandez, and Muncy. They haven't scored fewer than 5 runs in any of their first 9 games.
Druff, please remove the link I PM'd you about.
any thoughts about the ohtani home run ball scandal that occurred during your game druff?
completely inept.
how will we, as a dodgers staff, handle the first ohtani homerun? the Ohtani HR odds were so remote i guess it wasn’t worth considering.
how does a team implode their greatest entertainment asset’s reputation in 30 days? this is how
fail
Ohtani taking a heel turn is surprising.
Dodger corporate thugs cornering some poor fan to give a $100k ball back for a few signed jerseys.
Ohtani lying once again about the situation.
Kid is going to be playing for the Yomiuri Giants just to avoid American media and the feds.
Funny I didn't even think about the ball until the story about the woman catching it was put out there. At the time I read about it, the spun it as a positive that the woman got to meet Ohtani and get a few balls and caps. I thought to myself, "Wow, I wouldn't have given it up for that. Maayyyyyybe if Ohtani turned me on to a bookie willing to take sharp action, and vouched for me..."
At the time I just thought about how it was cool that Ben got to see Ohtani's first Dodgers HR. He also got to see the longest game every played at Dodger Stadium (and the longest postseeason game ever), the 18-inning, 7.5 hour marathon in the 2018 World Series.
Anyway, back to this drama.
Here's the story, in case you haven't read it yet: https://sports.yahoo.com/dodgers-cou...001841654.html
Here's the more detailed Athletic article: https://archive.ph/iZHpx
This was mishandled in so many ways:
- The team separated the woman from her husband, and kept browbeating her into giving it up in exchange for 2 hats. Security physically blocked her husband from reaching her.
- The team threatened to refuse to authenticate the ball if they left with it, thus making it worthless.
- They never got to meet nor speak to Ohtani
- They upper the offer to two hats, a signed bat, and a signed ball. No money, nothing else.
- Ohtani said in an interview, "I was able to talk to the fan, and was able to get it back. Obviously it’s a very special ball, a lot of feelings toward it, I’m very grateful that it’s back." This was either a lie, or a poor translation. It's possible that he said, "They were able to talk to the fan and get it back for me", and it was mis-translated, but it's also possible that Ohtani was caught lying again.
- The Dodgers promised to escort the couple to their car, so nobody would hassle them or attempt to mug them for the ball they didn't have anymore. The Dodgers ended up failing to do this, for whatever reason.
The stupid thing here is that Ohtani gave a new car to Joe Kelly in exchange for giving up #17. Joe Kelly doesn't need a car. He's already rich. He's still pitching for the Dodgers.
Imagine the great PR if he gave a car to these lifelong Dodgers fans?
Since the bad press, the Dodgers are now inviting the couple back to see a free game, where they'll be given more "valuable memorabilia". How about breaking off $20k for them and being done with it?
Cars and Prada purses will not mend this controversy.
You give the woman the fair value for the ball as determined by the memorabilia community. And then you add to that. $100,000 is frequently referenced as fair value.
Then the Dodgers profusely apologize and maintain absolute truthfulness in this matter.
Maybe Ohtani’s statement was another interpreter fuck up. Who knows. Excuses and silence damage the brand which is valued at billions.
Instead silence.
David Samson has been a consistent Andrew Friedman apologist. Nevertheless, I found his segment on the HR scandal to be very informative and valuable. Samson’s friendship with Friedman is being sorely tested again. He describes this latest fail as Dodger “idiocy”…. and he likes them.
Great listen on Nothing Personal. Dodgers begins @ 17:30. Samson’s brand of boring gritty autistic detail actually has value in this instance. I learned a lot and got some great insight into how a competent organization handles these events.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbbmwOu854U
Samson starts out strong on Rich Eisen’s show but it predictably devolves into Rich Eisen’s level of dopiness.
https://youtu.be/HLH7IGs7GcU?si=D7q1DKe3m8tmYD-L
My Ohtani bona fides are well chronicled on this forum. ROY winning future. My feeling that he was just short of a playoff performance or two to cement “greatest to ever play the game”. I take no joy in what the Dodgers experience is doing to him. I want to feel i saw the best that ever was.
There is a tiny part of me that feels his greatness will be unrealized.
We can discuss Bobby Miller if you like. Bobby Miller NOT TO RECORD A WIN against Cubs today was a chalky -155 parlay piece. Smooth as silk ✅. Lest you think Im just autofading all Dodgers starters i did have Glasnow to record a win the other day.
Yamamoto tomorrow is gonna require meditation.
I gotta ask.
Does anyone know the David Samson childhood trauma details? He was bullied. He was a short Jew. Was that why? Product of divorce. I feel like there is more
No one in baseball seems to like him despite winning a ring. Derek Jeter gave him the bum’s rush.
Samson obviously has issues. He’s a different cat. Is he a sympathetic figure? I can’t decide
He does demonstrate some social conscience and is charitable with his time and money.
He is hard to cypher.
Bieber to have season ending elbow surgery after 2 perfect outings where he hasn’t given up a run and struck out 20. Looked better than ever. Feels like a fuck you to Tribe heading into UFA. He’s pitched his last pitch for us. Brutal. Don’t blame him assuming they wanted him to pitch through. Dude has hundreds of millions to protect.
Worst part is he’ll be pitching for the Dodgers next year. OC kid with some SoCal instagram whore wife. Might as well throw him on the pile for another 40 million.
I just deleted a post here.
Please do NOT troll in this thread or any other serious threads on PFA.
If you see a long-running, one-subject thread on this site, it's a good idea to avoid trolling or shitposting in it. I guess political threads are the exception because those always break down into trolling. But a thread like this should be free of that stuff.
Thank you.
We’ve seen this before.
Girls who knew Bauer here say he was a perfect gentleman. Brought flowers. Cooked them breakfast in the morning. Texted them to make sure they got home safe.
Strictly a missionary position guy then. They described him as a straight arrow and rather vanilla. Almost boring.
Didn’t take the Dodgers and your Hollywood elite fanbase long to turn him into Hannibal Lecter.
I fear for Ohtani. He seems in a quicker descent than even Trevor.
Braves about to lose Spencer Strider to Tommy John also. Reports he got injured in their home opener against the Dbacks. MRI today showed bad bad news with signficant UCL injury and looking like surgery is going to be the realistic outcome.
Side note What the HELL is going on with Arizona. Three straight losses after taking decent leads in all those games. 3 runs yesterday and blew it in extras. But tonight was so much worse. Marte hits second straight lead off HR again. They put up 6 runs and lose the game 9-8 after having the lead up until Atl tied and took it in the Bottom of the 8th. This is the same team that scored the most runs in an inning on opening day in 100yrs against Colorado. I know the Rockies suck but this is a small concern early on.
https://youtu.be/dw9qqvm-LT8?si=Ye24sz6jD84lFLmf
I don't even really look at teams w-l record til like 50 games in. Unless its some crazy streak or something.
Care to enlighten me about wtf occurred here or this [redacted]?
Take away trolling Dodgers, Trump and trannies and what have we left really?
Cubs Imanaga, nicknamed "The Throwing Philosopher" vs Dodgers Stone.
Dodgers are the most public team in the modern era yet the betting public had this as -115 Dodgers. Essentially a pick em considering the juice in legal books.
The betting public are not as dumb as some dismiss
You wanna isolate The Philosopher vs Stone F5 but the attitude is right. We rue the passing of the Golden Age
I’m curious also. Mickey was having a sundowners episode/tantrum in a number of threads over Druff not being his editor in prompt fashion and attacking sloppy Joe with his usual really bad and unimaginative insults. He’s just so bad at the internet. Sloppy is a wordsmith when he gets into you, and you’d think after hundreds of beatings, Mickey would get that. But he doesn’t. I think he may actually believe he’s holding his own.
See the bottom of the NBA thread for example.
I was shocked to see Mickey had posted in a sports thread given old predators usually just fuck rent boys and pass them around like a joint at an Aerosmith concert in 79, they don't take the time to throw the ball around with them. I’ve never seen him comment on sports like men do. He wasn’t talking sports though.
It may have been something similar here, but sloppy posts less in MLB, so I’m curious myself.
Sanlmar and The Philosopher’s Stone.
4th inning (delay)
Cubs 6
Dodgers 0
nvm
Please delete, Druff
I guess I need to clarify the trolling rule in this thread.
If you want to troll about baseball related matters, go right ahead. If you want to bash the Dodgers, or its fans, or its management, or any other team you want to make fun of, go right ahead.
I just don't want to see unrelated-to-baseball trolling here, spilling over from other feuds on the site.
Yes, it was mickeycrimm making a nasty remark to BCR. Had nothing to do with sports or baseball. It was just a one-liner.
I don't want to see this thread turn into mickeycrimm-bashing, either. If you don't like him, you can do that in other threads where he posts.
I would just like this to get back on topic -- MLB.
I don't understand the Dodgers' love affair with Gavin Stone.
He had a brief moment in AA in 2022 where he was owning heads.
But since then, he hasn't been good. They gave him 31 innings in MLB in 2023, where he gave up... 31 earned runs.
Now he's the 5th starter, and he's gotten clobbered both times.
I understand that he's not going to be around the entire year. Walker Buehler is coming back fairly soon. Later in the year, they'll get back Kershaw and Dustin May. It will be crowded at that point, even if everyone stays healthy, which is a big if.
But I think it's time to cut bait with Stone, and give some other guys the chance in the interim.
BTW, the Dodgers scored 5+ runs in each of their first 10 games. Amazingly, they only went 7-3, and two of the losses were games where they scored 7 and 11 runs. Ouch.
Inconsistent pitching and excellent hitting -- the story from 2023 -- seems to be coming back.
On the bright side, Yoshi Yamamato had two good starts in a row, and Glasnow is looking fairly good, albeit getting gassed kinda early in games.
I don’t understand the love affair with Bobby Miller but we digress.
Ohtani, Graterol, May, Sheehan, Buehler, Treinen, Gonsolin, (Kershaw sic)
It’s quite a list of injured pitchers. The Dodgers are noted for not being very truthful about pitcher injuries. The injury description morphs over time. We have no firm idea about any of them. I’m not covinced Dave Roberts knows either.
Even Ohtani’s injury is not clear. The basics might include, “what exact medical procedure was performed?” We won’t be told until he suffers a setback
The only pitcher that is of consequence is Buehler. He was their #1 2 or 3 years ago. 2nd TJ. He’ll be hugley restricted. Is he 93/94 mph? He may not make it. I have zero faith in Pryor. He is a problem not a solution.
Bieber and Strider hurts every fan’s heart. It really causes us to ask what needs to be changed. Dodgers and the 6 day rotation feels right during a meaningless season. Allow max effort players to recover. Couple guys come back like May and Gonsolin and you use them in an opener deal instead of Stone.
Dodgers have bigger fish to fry like defense and hitting against lefties.
Verlander with a good take on this. He tiptoes the line of being opinionated but not too brash. You can tell he wants to say more:
https://twitter.com/AriA1exander/sta...02272641536381
I think thats the most common sense answer i've heard yet. Basically no such thing as a starting pitcher anymore. Everyone at full velo and spin every pitch.
MLB might need to clip the wings off the ball again. Of course they don't want that, dingers get people in the seats. Gen Z has no attention span for a 2-1 pitchers duel.
more documentation of pitchers arm injuries since implementation of the pitch clock...
https://www.carriermanagement.com/ne.../08/260889.htm
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...der-eury-perez
Verlander lends confirmation to the notion its an accumulation of things but velo and spin lead the list.
Look at the Dodgers. They had a specialist on staff who was THE GUY when it came to concocting goop. The Dodgers were on the cutting edge of stuff orders of magnitude behond Spider Tack.
The best part was the Dodgers very own pitcher, Trevor Bauer, blew the top off the sticky stuff issue.
LO fucking L
The Dodgers were gored by there own ox. A whistle blower like Bauer should have been killed by Friedman like Boeing wacked their whistleblower. The dysfunction in LA is so much damn fun.
They took away the goop but Mark Prior and the Dodgers staff maintained the velo spin religion and every one of their pitchers went under the knife once or twice. But every other team did too - to a lesser degree.
Except Kershaw. The Dodgers were hands off Kershaw for obvious reasons. Fuck up Kershaw and you are collecting carriages in the Walmart parking lot.
It’s Bobby Thriller day against the mighty Twins
-190 @ open —> -160 +/-
The Thriller outs pitched are juiced under 15.5. Miller fraud
The RL ploppies still out in force
Paddock is a recent TJ hospital patient too … hmmm
Trash Austin Barnes in line up lol
Gonna target the Paddock cripple…. Dodgers F5 TT o2.5 +110…. Awful Dodger lineup pray for me
Garbage game
Man, the White Sox are transitioning Kopech from starter to relief. That dude came in last night for last 2 innings and threw as hard as anyone I’ve ever seen. He threw 24 pitches and 24 fastballs. One was 99 and every other pitch was 101-103. No one could catch up to a thing he was throwing.
Tip for the future, from an oft-frustrated Dodgers fan.
Dave Roberts (or perhaps Friedman) loves shit lineups on travel days.
This has been lamented for years on a small Dodgers Facebook group where I sometimes post.
This year it won't be quite as bad, as the big 3 (Betts/Ohtani/Freeman) will rarely sit. And I think Teoscar Hernandez will not have many off days either. However, beyond that it's a lot of shit, especially in the bottom half of the lineup. Swapping Austin Barnes for Will Smith is probably the biggest offensive downgrade of a catcher in MLB. So yeah, a bottom half which includes Kike Hernandez, Miguel Rojas, and Barnes is gonna struggle to score runs.
Sorry about the left on base. I actually almost bet under for the game, but Chris Paddack hadn't had significant time in MLB since 2021 (I assume your thinking, too), so I stayed away. Easily would've covered.
Julio Urias facing 5 misdemeanor charges over September 2023 domestic violence issue: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...e-misdemeanors
He's probably never coming back to MLB.
Both of his domestic violence issues involved his wife, and occurred in public places. Dumb. It seems like they have one of those toxic relationships where both hit each other, and that's why the first incident was eventually dropped. Both were also fairly minor, though possibly only because they were in public. Maybe behind closed doors it's worse. But the point is that it's not like his wife is calling the police on him. She never has, and probably never would have. Somehow after being lucky enough to escape the 2019 incident, the idiot did it again in public where police were likely to respond no matter what.
I remember trolling Urias on these boards when he was an over rated rookie prospect. That’s some sobering shit about time.
Strider out for year.
In the meantime, another arm injury. The Dodgers' Bobby Miller will be on the DL indefinitely with elbow inflammation.
Current injured Dodgers starters:
Clayton Kershaw, Walker Buehler, Emmet Sheehan, Dustin May, Tony Gonsolin, and now Miller.
Without the new signings of Yoshi Yamamoto, Tyler Glasnow, and James Paxton, the Dodgers would have just 1 starter left -- Gavin Stone.
Miller has shoulder inflammation, not elbow.
https://dodgersnation.com/dodgers-pl...es/2024/04/13/
It's a little bit scary that the two star Dodgers pitchers now are a small Japanese guy and a dude with a long injury history.
Lord help us.
Have you seen Max Muncy's weird stats?
When he makes contact, he's 14-for-30, which is nearly .500.
However, at the same time, he has 27 strikeouts. Yes, 27 strikeouts in 57 AB. This is only moderated by the fact that he also has 9 walks, but boy these strikeouts are brutal this year.
His ascension has always been a bit of a mystery. Went from a nobody prospect released by Oakland, to banging out 183 HR since 2018. When he joined the Dodgers at that point, he was 27 1/2 years old with 5 career HR to his name, in 215 career AB.
Some have said it's roids, but I don't think so. But it wouldn't surprise me if he completely falls off a cliff at some point.
The guy with a long injury history is up tonight. Facing him is Sarah Jessica Parker for the Nats. Had a cup of coffee in AAA. 5th round pick. Ritual human sacrifice. Glasnow winning pitcher should be a nice parlay piece.
Glasnow was interviewed in the dugout during the Sunday Night Game of the Week loss against the Padres
Glasnow is so much fun to listen to. Handsome, great flow, all smiles. Sunday Night Baseball spent the evening grinding on pitcher injuries. Obv Glasnow is the leading players spokesman on the subject. He had much to say but he summed it up by saying, “what will be, will be”.
Sacrificing your arm for multi millions is a transaction every kid will make.
Honest to god, Mark Prior was standing next to Glasnow at the start of the interview and the ESPN booth mentioned this to Glasnow. Glasnow laughed. I was howling. Prior turned heel and walked away. Very inside Dodgers but I love it so.
ESPN took the tact last night that MLB might consider changing rules to protect pitchers as the NFL did to protect quarterbacks. They started with the premise that pitching is a “drag race”. Max effort for a 1/4 mile then off to the next guy. What if you had to pull your DH (ex: Ohtani) when you pulled the SP? I think the players union would like this too.
I never said Kershaw wasn’t a good guy. He is being interviewed quite often too recently. Kershaw is being recognized as a top shelf listen. He truly is a HOF interview - and that’s coming from me. Kershaw is not as dumb as I initially thought. He has a great great voice to begin with. He is smoother than bourbon. He is articulate and self deprecating. Get him in the Dodgers booth. I could listen to him for 3 hours. Somehow get rid of Joe Davis. Thank god the MLB app lets you listen to the other team when Dodgers play.
@BCR Tyler Beede joins Karincheck (who can’t get healthy)
Kid played a summer with Beede. Beede went to Vandy and threw final pitch in NCAA championship. We used to go out to a Blue Ribbon Barbecue with his family after home games. Fun memories
I’m all over Cleveland this year
Boston Marathon Day bombing this morning vs Sawks
Cleveland 6-0
I missed opening but bet live 0-0 like 3rd inning
Yeah I had this also. I only had +144 live. I was up late and woke up in second.
I like Curry. Thought he’d keep it close and bullpen favors us.
Pleasantly surprised by start. Like new manager so far. Didn’t love not pinch running Naylor yesterday in 10th. Thankfully Yankees second basemen couldn’t stop bobbling balls. He’s aggressive, which I like. Kwan has been very good. Today was nice to see Arias and Brennan contribute. Often feels we have half a MLB a lineup. Need some production out of bottom.
Hopefully Beede is able to stay up. Didn’t know he was Mass kid until I just looked him up. I knew he was in Japan last year. Had three solid outings and struggled a little against NY, but that’s to be expected.
Can’t make this stuff up.Quote:
For the best thing I saw this week, we head to Cleveland, Ohio. No, not for the solar eclipse, but finding the Naylor brothers doing something amazing at the plate. Josh and Bo Naylor homering in the same inning in the same game on International Siblings Day..
I love the Naylor brothers so watch your tone. I love the crazy eyes. I’d be frightened if I was near them.
Boston honored 2004 Reverse the Curse Championship recently. We miss Terry Francona. They did not invite that “Bloody Sock” Nazi Curt Schilling - how about that?
I know you know the importance of Schilling. Banning that ass-wipe was a move that garnered tremendous respect from me. What team makes bold moves like this anymore?
Meanwhile I'm watching the Twins like it was me as a kid playing Oregon Trail. Correa joins Lewis on DL, there goes the left side of the infield before even reaching Independence Pass.
Buxton out hunting rabbits, I'm sure he'll get dysentery next. Down to Pablo and Joe Ryan and 1 ox and 20 lbs of food.