**OFFICIAL Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph (Joe) R. Biden Thread - 2020 Presidential Election**

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

I don't know that the timing is suspect. She didn't see any reason to tell the story before he was the nominee for president. Kavanaugh's accused didn't see any reason to tell the story before he was nominated to the Supreme Court. And nobody would have covered it before. Though they would have when Biden was VP or VP nominee.

It's very hard to tell what happened in this case. It's tough for women to come forward like this because they usually get skewered in the media, so when one does come forward it's hard to just dismiss them. And there is circumstantial evidence.

On the other hand, there's no concrete evidence. And men who do this usually don't only do it once, so it's odd that other accusers haven't spoken up as they did with Trump (what are we up to, a few dozen?) and Kavanaugh. There are no hints from the man himself as there were with Trump's pussy-grabbing comment or Kavanaugh's yearbook comments. Joe gets a little too cozy sometimes but that's what men of his generation did and it's a long way from that to forcible finger-banging.

It's also possible that both of them truly believe in their own version of events. Memories can shift and fade over time, which is why eyewitness testimony is so unreliable and why it's nearly worthless after a long time has passed. They may just remember things differently.

Allegations like this should be considered and investigated. Kavanaugh's should have been too but they weren't. The Senate scheduled a quick vote and the FBI was told to complete their investigation before the vote and if not then too bad so sad. But ultimately we should try to get to the truth, or if that's impossible then at least a range of realistic possibilities. The hyperpartisan politics and de-emphasizing of fact in our society rarely allows for this to happen anymore outside of a courtroom.

In my mind, assuming the worst about this incident, Trump is still way worse as a sexual predator and his record as president is such that I still have no hesitation in voting for Biden.

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you know when they should be investigated? after the woman (or guy, i suppose) goes to the police. what if they never went to the police? then the media shouldn't even report it.

it's just too easy to destroy someone with mere allegations.

the fbi should have investigated kavanuagh? on 20 year old allegations that she never went to the police over? if that's what we do, get ready for an fbi investigation before every single supreme court nomination. who would even want the job having to go through this?

liberals used to love the idea that "it's better to let 100 guilty people go free than convict 1 innocent one." guess that's out the window now.

thank you alyssa milano

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I agree but it's not realistic to say that the media shouldn't pay attention to an allegation like this without a police report.

Maybe Biden's response should be, "file a police report and have it investigated then, if you're making this allegation." But I think the statute of limitations is up perhaps?

The FBI already vets every Supreme Court nominee. I believe the president's team does a very thorough background check on every possible nominee they are considering including an FBI background check. There's a difference between trying to get someone punished by law and what is investigated by Congress, or how closely they look at nominees for major posts. There's no due process in the latter. If you want a job like that anything and everything is fair game. If Congress wants to investigate something there's almost no limit, even if Trump thinks otherwise.

ex prosecutor laying out a real strong case on how the biden #metoo story is super sketch and should probably be ignored.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/3046962001/

Trump turned on and blamed his campaign manager for the bad news about the recent polling numbers.

https://youtu.be/WCC1R4qSiIw

#ItsNeverTrumpsFault

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Originally Posted by sonatine

ex prosecutor laying out a real strong case on how the biden #metoo story is super sketch and should probably be ignored.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/3046962001/

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Game, set, match.

honestly tho id be just as happy if the pressure got him to resign from the race.

bernie or warren would consolidate the left with ease.

BET HILLARY

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...s-for-the-call

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Originally Posted by sonatine

honestly tho id be just as happy if the pressure got him to resign from the race.

bernie or warren would consolidate the left with ease.

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not sure they get the black turnout though. there's not exactly an ideal candidate (one who can motivate all groups) out there

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Originally Posted by thesidedish

BET HILLARY

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...s-for-the-call

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What a silly article. There's no enthusiasm gap, but enthusiasm for Biden isn't the only factor, hatred for Trump is going to drive voters like no election in recent memory.

Also what's this about Biden fading? He's ahead in the polls in every swing state. He just took the lead in Ohio, and Trump is blowing up at his campaign staff over his dreadful polling numbers. That doesn't mean Biden is going to win, but the suggestion that he's somehow fading is silly.

I still think Trump will win. But suddenly switching horses would be a terrible idea for the Democrats. This smells like someone who just wanted to write a "hot take."

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

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Originally Posted by thesidedish

BET HILLARY

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...s-for-the-call

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What a silly article. There's no enthusiasm gap, but enthusiasm for Biden isn't the only factor, hatred for Trump is going to drive voters like no election in recent memory.

Also what's this about Biden fading? He's ahead in the polls in every swing state. He just took the lead in Ohio, and Trump is blowing up at his campaign staff over his dreadful polling numbers. That doesn't mean Biden is going to win, but the suggestion that he's somehow fading is silly.

I still think Trump will win. But suddenly switching horses would be a terrible idea for the Democrats. This smells like someone who just wanted to write a "hot take."

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Originally Posted by gut

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

What a silly article. There's no enthusiasm gap, but enthusiasm for Biden isn't the only factor, hatred for Trump is going to drive voters like no election in recent memory.

Also what's this about Biden fading? He's ahead in the polls in every swing state. He just took the lead in Ohio, and Trump is blowing up at his campaign staff over his dreadful polling numbers. That doesn't mean Biden is going to win, but the suggestion that he's somehow fading is silly.

I still think Trump will win. But suddenly switching horses would be a terrible idea for the Democrats. This smells like someone who just wanted to write a "hot take."

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Do you find those statements inconsistent?

I meant that enthusiasm for the candidate is less of a proxy for potential turnout that in most years because many people will be voting against Trump more than they will be voting for Biden.

I think Trump wins because in the few swing states that matter they will figure out how to disenfranchise people, prevent mail-in voting during the second surge of coronavirus that's coming in the fall, purge voter rolls, or just plain hack it. Turning out the vote is also usually a little harder for the Democrats. Or the Republicans will come up with some bullshit October surprise and enough people will be dumb enough to buy it. John Kerry's swift boat, Comey's announcement on Hillary, they usually come up with something. For a lead in the polls to translate to a win for the Dems on election day it has to be well outside the margin of error.

Joe Biden will appear on MSNBC's Morning Joe Friday to address sexual assault allegations








....this might be bad.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Joe Biden will appear on MSNBC's Morning Joe Friday to address sexual assault allegations








....this might be bad.

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Why? People have been telling him to make a statement and he keeps refusing. Address it head on and put it to bed like Trump was able to do (amazingly) with the pussy grabbing comment.

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

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Do you find those statements inconsistent?

I meant that enthusiasm for the candidate is less of a proxy for potential turnout that in most years because many people will be voting against Trump more than they will be voting for Biden.

I think Trump wins because in the few swing states that matter they will figure out how to disenfranchise people, prevent mail-in voting during the second surge of coronavirus that's coming in the fall, purge voter rolls, or just plain hack it. Turning out the vote is also usually a little harder for the Democrats. Or the Republicans will come up with some bullshit October surprise and enough people will be dumb enough to buy it. John Kerry's swift boat, Comey's announcement on Hillary, they usually come up with something. For a lead in the polls to translate to a win for the Dems on election day it has to be well outside the margin of error.

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1. I don't think there is much of new hatred for Trump, besides the people who have hated him since day 1. At least not a consequential amount.

2. If you think there is, then he should lose the election, as he lost the pop vote last time anyway. There is only so much gerrymandering that can happen.

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

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Originally Posted by sonatine

Joe Biden will appear on MSNBC's Morning Joe Friday to address sexual assault allegations








....this might be bad.

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Why?

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cause he has full blown dementia and will be interviewed on live tv

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Originally Posted by gut

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

Do you find those statements inconsistent?

I meant that enthusiasm for the candidate is less of a proxy for potential turnout that in most years because many people will be voting against Trump more than they will be voting for Biden.

I think Trump wins because in the few swing states that matter they will figure out how to disenfranchise people, prevent mail-in voting during the second surge of coronavirus that's coming in the fall, purge voter rolls, or just plain hack it. Turning out the vote is also usually a little harder for the Democrats. Or the Republicans will come up with some bullshit October surprise and enough people will be dumb enough to buy it. John Kerry's swift boat, Comey's announcement on Hillary, they usually come up with something. For a lead in the polls to translate to a win for the Dems on election day it has to be well outside the margin of error.

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1. I don't think there is much of new hatred for Trump, besides the people who have hated him since day 1. At least not a consequential amount.

2. If you think there is, then he should lose the election, as he lost the pop vote last time anyway. There is only so much gerrymandering that can happen.

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He will lose the popular vote by even more, and still win the Electoral College.

Nobody hopes I'm wrong more than I do.

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

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cause he has full blown dementia and will be interviewed on live tv

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Yeah, hopefully he’s like most 80 year olds where they’re up at 3 AM and the six o’clock hour is their sharpest point in the day before winding down for bed at 5pm.

More than his slow language and decline, I worry most about the weird shit he says. That dog faced pony soldier line still keeps me awake at night when I think about his campaign.


I can see him busting out some denial that sounds like I’d never paw up a foxey strumpet trickster like her line from a Jimmy Cagney movie made in 1928

Here are the latest polls. Let's face it, at the height of the crisis Biden has stalled and Trump has remained the same. Going to be interesting when these sexual assualt claims marinate. Biden looked awfully shaky this morning on MSNBC. I am looking forward to the polls in October after the virus had abated at least temporarily and Biden stammers through his first debate. I am still not convinced Biden will make it to the finish line. He should have listened to Obama last year when there was chatter Biden was going to run: "Joe, you don't need this".

General Election: Trump vs. Biden
IBD/TIPP
Biden 43, Trump 43
Tie
President Trump Job Approval
IBD/TIPP
Approve 44, Disapprove 44
Tie
President Trump Job Approval
Gallup
Approve 49, Disapprove 47
Approve +2

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Originally Posted by tgull

Here are the latest polls. Let's face it, at the height of the crisis Biden has stalled and Trump has remained the same. Going to be interesting when these sexual assualt claims marinate. Biden looked awfully shaky this morning on MSNBC. I am looking forward to the polls in October after the virus had abated at least temporarily and Biden stammers through his first debate. I am still not convinced Biden will make it to the finish line. He should have listened to Obama last year when there was chatter Biden was going to run: "Joe, you don't need this".

General Election: Trump vs. Biden
IBD/TIPP
Biden 43, Trump 43
Tie
President Trump Job Approval
IBD/TIPP
Approve 44, Disapprove 44
Tie
President Trump Job Approval
Gallup
Approve 49, Disapprove 47
Approve +2

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you better hope he does

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Originally Posted by blake

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Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak

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cause he has full blown dementia and will be interviewed on live tv

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That would be super LOL if he just totally lost it and admitted to it before they could pull the plug.

welp he didnt flip out and start asking for an order of waffles or anything so theres that.

also the allegation sounds like bullshit to me. fingering someone in the senate hallway? like looking beyond the fact that its the senate fucking hallway and 30 years ago there were cameras everywhere, the physics of this whole thing seem a bit unrealistic given the context.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

welp he didnt flip out and start asking for an order of waffles or anything so theres that.

also the allegation sounds like bullshit to me. fingering someone in the senate hallway? like looking beyond the fact that its the senate fucking hallway and 30 years ago there were cameras everywhere, the physics of this whole thing seem a bit unrealistic given the context.

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Always believe the woman Sonatine, always.

Going to be tough to explain away why her mother called in to Larry King in 1993 and she told 5 people when it happened. Blassie Ford had not of that. All she had was 'he did it' with no evidence whatsoever. But it does not matter, you always believe the woman and never white men.

welp, i guess we're pro russian now tgull.

totally normal, sane, authentic opinions.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

welp, i guess we're pro russian now tgull.

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Originally Posted by sonatine

totally normal, sane, authentic opinions.

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These are funny IF they're real.

#BelievePutin

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Originally Posted by sonatine

welp he didnt flip out and start asking for an order of waffles or anything so theres that.

also the allegation sounds like bullshit to me. fingering someone in the senate hallway? like looking beyond the fact that its the senate fucking hallway and 30 years ago there were cameras everywhere, the physics of this whole thing seem a bit unrealistic given the context.

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He continually molests girls in open public. Finger blasting one in a hallway when no one else is around isn't that far fetched.

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Originally Posted by Hockey Guy

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Originally Posted by sonatine

totally normal, sane, authentic opinions.

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These are funny IF they're real.

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They're real, and they're spectacular.

She kidnapped herself.

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welp he didnt flip out and start asking for an order of waffles or anything so theres that.

also the allegation sounds like bullshit to me. fingering someone in the senate hallway? like looking beyond the fact that its the senate fucking hallway and 30 years ago there were cameras everywhere, the physics of this whole thing seem a bit unrealistic given the context.

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He continually molests girls in open public. Finger blasting one in a hallway when no one else is around isn't that far fetched.

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No, he doesn't.

Liberals: Believe her

Also Liberals: "Tara Reade is a liar"


Honestly, the Democratic Party establishment is a disgrace. Feel bad that Americans don't have genuine left wing choice for President. Or a non-sexpest.

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Originally Posted by MrTickle

Liberals: Believe her

Also Liberals: "Tara Reade is a liar"


Honestly, the Democratic Party establishment is a disgrace. Feel bad that Americans don't have genuine left wing choice for President. Or a non-sexpest.

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A former prosecutor broke it down in the USA Today article sonatine posted. There are huge red flags. Good enough for me.

Maybe Biden was lying when he went on tv and flat out denied it this morning, but the way he handled it looks a lot different than "pay a few hundred thousand dollars you stole from your own charity in exchange for a non-disclosure agreement."

I can't believe the dems have literally nominated an actual rapist pedophile as their candidate.

Sad!

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Originally Posted by dwai

I can't believe the dems have literally nominated an actual rapist pedophile as their candidate.

Sad!

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I have no dog in this fight as I'm Canadian, & don't know whether it's true or not, but the democratic supporters & left wing media deserve to have this play out after the bullshit of trying to infer that Trump fucks his daughter.

As a parent of 2 daughters nothing disgusted me more than having to listen to that shit from the left wing media & here on this board. It's probably why he won the election in 2016, well that & that investigation of Clinton they reopened basically on the eve of the election for no apparent reason.

Unless you have video of Trump with his hard dick out & sliding it into Ivanka don't bother posting your fucking bullshit proof trying to convince me that it happened because I've seen all these "creepy" pictures & they're not "creepy" nor do they prove anything but I'm sure some of you believe they do.

It's sad that this is where American politics finds itself but here we are.

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I can't believe the dems have literally nominated an actual rapist pedophile as their candidate.

Sad!

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I have no dog in this fight as I'm Canadian, & don't know whether it's true or not, but the democratic supporters & left wing media deserve to have this play out after the bullshit of trying to infer that Trump fucks his daughter.

As a parent of 2 daughters nothing disgusted me more than having to listen to that shit from the left wing media & here on this board. It's probably why he won the election in 2016, well that & that investigation of Clinton they reopened basically on the eve of the election for no apparent reason.

Unless you have video of Trump with his hard dick out & sliding it into Ivanka don't bother posting your fucking bullshit proof trying to convince me that it happened because I've seen all these "creepy" pictures & they're not "creepy" nor do they prove anything but I'm sure some of you believe they do.

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BELIEVE ALL WOMEN! UNTIL THEY ACCUSE YOUR GUY, THEN LET'S SLOW DOWN HERE, MAYBE SHE'S LYING.

classic hypocrisy

Sad!

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I can't believe the dems have literally nominated an actual rapist pedophile as their candidate.

Sad!

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I have no dog in this fight as I'm Canadian, & don't know whether it's true or not, but the democratic supporters & left wing media deserve to have this play out after the bullshit of trying to infer that Trump fucks his daughter.

As a parent of 2 daughters nothing disgusted me more than having to listen to that shit from the left wing media & here on this board. It's probably why he won the election in 2016, well that & that investigation of Clinton they reopened basically on the eve of the election for no apparent reason.

Unless you have video of Trump with his hard dick out & sliding it into Ivanka don't bother posting your fucking bullshit proof trying to convince me that it happened because I've seen all these "creepy" pictures & they're not "creepy" nor do they prove anything but I'm sure some of you believe they do.

It's sad that this is where American politics finds itself but here we are.

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Howard Stern and Trump discussing Ivanka posing for playboy:
"It would be really disappointing — not really — but it would depend on what's inside the magazine. I don't think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her."

Stern asking if Ivanka got a boob job:
“She's actually always been very voluptuous. She's tall, she's almost 6 feet tall and she's been, she's an amazing beauty.”

Rolling Stone Interview:
"‘Yeah, she's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father . . .’”

There are more.

hmmm lets take a second and put some perspective on this.

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sad.

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Liberals: Believe her

Also Liberals: "Tara Reade is a liar"


Honestly, the Democratic Party establishment is a disgrace. Feel bad that Americans don't have genuine left wing choice for President. Or a non-sexpest.

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A former prosecutor broke it down in the USA Today article sonatine posted. There are huge red flags. Good enough for me.

Maybe Biden was lying when he went on tv and flat out denied it this morning, but the way he handled it looks a lot different than "pay a few hundred thousand dollars you stole from your own charity in exchange for a non-disclosure agreement."

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Whatever chump. I remember you during the Kavanaugh hearings screaming "Always Believe the Woman". Now that its creepy Joe you have changed your tune. What a faggot you are. Just another liberal d-bag.

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I have no dog in this fight as I'm Canadian, & don't know whether it's true or not, but the democratic supporters & left wing media deserve to have this play out after the bullshit of trying to infer that Trump fucks his daughter.

As a parent of 2 daughters nothing disgusted me more than having to listen to that shit from the left wing media & here on this board. It's probably why he won the election in 2016, well that & that investigation of Clinton they reopened basically on the eve of the election for no apparent reason.

Unless you have video of Trump with his hard dick out & sliding it into Ivanka don't bother posting your fucking bullshit proof trying to convince me that it happened because I've seen all these "creepy" pictures & they're not "creepy" nor do they prove anything but I'm sure some of you believe they do.

It's sad that this is where American politics finds itself but here we are.

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Howard Stern and Trump discussing Ivanka posing for playboy:
"It would be really disappointing — not really — but it would depend on what's inside the magazine. I don't think Ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her."

Stern asking if Ivanka got a boob job:
“She's actually always been very voluptuous. She's tall, she's almost 6 feet tall and she's been, she's an amazing beauty.”

Rolling Stone Interview:
"‘Yeah, she's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father . . .’”

There are more.

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I just can't get how you would support a literal demented pedophile rapist like Joe Biden, think about the poor women.

Sad!

Lots of irony in joe being accused and on the defense given his leading the charge against Clarence Thomas. Funny how things always come around.

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Lots of irony in joe being accused and on the defense given his leading the charge against Clarence Thomas. Funny how things always come around.

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Yes, it is quite funny, all these libtards like sonatine, duped_by_smollet and Walter having to eat shit and defend a horrible racist, homophobic, pedophile, rapist Joe Biden, because that's their guy, and they put all their hopes in taking down trump with.


Sad!

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I have no dog in this fight as I'm Canadian, & don't know whether it's true or not, but the democratic supporters & left wing media deserve to have this play out after the bullshit of trying to infer that Trump fucks his daughter.

As a parent of 2 daughters nothing disgusted me more than having to listen to that shit from the left wing media & here on this board. It's probably why he won the election in 2016, well that & that investigation of Clinton they reopened basically on the eve of the election for no apparent reason.

Unless you have video of Trump with his hard dick out & sliding it into Ivanka don't bother posting your fucking bullshit proof trying to convince me that it happened because I've seen all these "creepy" pictures & they're not "creepy" nor do they prove anything but I'm sure some of you believe they do.

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BELIEVE ALL WOMEN! UNTIL THEY ACCUSE YOUR GUY, THEN LET'S SLOW DOWN HERE, MAYBE SHE'S LYING.

classic hypocrisy

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I consider myself liberal but I don't just believe every woman should be believed out of hand. They should be able to speak up but I've seen way too much bullshit to just believe everything I hear.

This will all come out then we'll all be more able to form an informed opinion.

 

Just kidding. The Republicans will say he's guilty & the Democrats will say he's innocent no matter what.

Now before Druff tries to call me a hypocrite, the only problem I had with him in the Moskow & Carlson threads was he was stating his opinions as facts & even after his "facts" were shown to be seriously flawed he would double & triple down on them like his opinions were more valid than real facts when they emerged or other opinions.