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Best boxer in history lolol give over...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
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Originally Posted by RegGaymer
Again, I'm not a Mayweather fan. But he is the best boxer in history... why is calling me a casual fan an insult in your mind? Are you an expert in the sport of boxing... I was unaware.
Maywrather will be broke like the rest of the dumb n-word sports athletes that don't know shit
Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegGaymerBest boxer in history lolol give over...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gallo
Maywrather will be broke like the rest of the dumb n-word sports athletes that don't know shit
But what the fuck does that have to do with being a good boxer?
GG Reg, JMM wins thread in a knockout.
You don't tug on Supermans cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
And...
You don't argue boxing with JMM
Jmm knows boxing but not this side show.
McGregor via tko..
Maybe if they tie Mayweather to the ring post.Quote:
Originally Posted by simpdog
Say what you will about Floyd, Conor is an accomplished striker. He has power, handspeed, comes from insane unorthodox angles, so on.
Floyd getting caught is a real thing that could happen here.
It would be incredibly shitty if it did happen, and its certainly unlikely, but I've seen enough weird shit happen after the bell rings to know better than to trust in absolutes.
Floyd "getting caught" with a shot hard and clean enough to actually knock him out or stop the fight, falls into the "anything is possible" category. Right alongside Lew being trusted with someone's personal info he got through the chat box.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
And Conor's pretty good at making people 'get caught', even people who have been inoculated against wonky mma striking angles. We are focusing a lot on how Conor is totally unprepared to actually box but are doing so at the risk of overlooking how Floyd hasnt spent a lot of ring time against people with insane open karate stances etc etc.
I will sleep like a fucking baby if Floyd spends every single round teeing off on Conor with impunity but I sure as shit am relieved the line for Conor TKO rd1-4 is so insanely high.
Anything can happen for sure. Conor does do a good job of settings his own traps. I remember hearing him say "I see it in my mind, and then it just happens"
I actually believe that. And it does make him dangerous. It's similar to what makes Floyd so good in the ring. He sees it before it happens.
Malignaggi said that Conor has a gameplan, and that it's not what every thinks. He could just be talking shit, selling the fight, whatever. But what "everyone thinks" is that Conor is going to come out and try to rough Floyd up, make it ugly, and stop him early. If he's planning to try and lay back, land one big punch, and end the fight, Mayweather will walk him down.
The stance/power is what Conor has, that is interesting. Unorthodox and strong punches. But once Floyd figures out a way around the stance, I don't see how Conor does shit to him. Mayweather doesn't struggle with counter punchers at all.
But, Floyd is also much more hittable now, than several years ago. And who knows how much the reflexes have slowed.
Yeah I genuinely believe that Floyd can adapt to whatever Conor brings to the table if given the opportunity, but those first 12 minutes have the potential to be dangerous.
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Originally Posted by JMM
If Conor comes out in a wide stance he will be too slow to hit Mayweather. He's going to have to come out in a boxing stance to stand a chance
I agree. I don't think it'll work that well. But it'll be interesting to see. I think also, with that wide stance he takes away his height advantage. Basically bringing himself down to mayweather's size.Quote:
Originally Posted by El GalloQuote:
Originally Posted by JMM
If Conor comes out in a wide stance he will be too slow to hit Mayweather. He's going to have to come out in a boxing stance to stand a chance
So how many % do you think Jr has faded being 41 and not fighting in 2 years?
unorthodox styles can prevail against skill, especially if there is also an age differential, as fury proved vs klitschko
Can we really expect Conor to go 12 rounds hard after seeing him "gas" twice against Diaz in basically 2 boxing matches minus 20 seconds & the ground finish in the first one. I get it that the rounds are shorter but there's no way he's getting around that IMO. He has to finish within 4-5 rounds & completely agree with sonatine on this & like his play there for that reason. If Mayweather survives the first few rounds, which I believe he will, I think he'll be able to finish this whenever he wants. Conor will be dead tired by round 6 or 7 & looking for a soft landing spot.
Also, how is he going to deal with carrying around an extra 6oz on his hands for 12 rounds & I believe this will take a lot of sting & speed off his punches not to mention needing larger holes to land the clean shots necessary & Mayweather is pretty good at deflecting these shots.
He has a punchers chance just like every boxer has a chance against an MMA fighter, Ray Mercer comes to mind, because every round starts standing & if they can land the proper shot, & put them on queer street, they can win.
I dont think anyone thinks Conor is going to have a significant role in this fight after the 4th or 5th round.
Fury is an undefeated professional boxer. And Wladimir is nothing like Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiganer
Hard to say. Floyd isn't an average 40 year old fighter, in that, he's taken very little punishment in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by adamantium
But there comes a point where it's like, you can see what's coming, but your reflexes have slowed to the point that you can't capitalize on it. That comes with age. So there's really no way to know, until we see him in there.
I think 5, 5 minute rounds of punching, kicking, grappling, takedowns, submission attempts, etc. is pretty comparable to 12 rounds in boxing. But 12 rounds against Mayweather is different, because you spend so much time and energy trying to find him and hit him. It takes a lot of energy out of you to keep missing with punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
Once Conor gets tired, I really think Floyd is going to hurt him with a body shot.
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This whole show is a fucking circus.
It is an exhibition fight that means nothing and is being put on only to make money.
It will only end in disqualification against McGregor.
After this fight, McGregor will make his debut as a runaway model.
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Want to see a real fight?
Wait until September 16th 2017.
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Gennady "GGG" Golovkin will knockout Canelo Álvarez in Las Vegas.
If Mayweather fought GGG he would get his ass knocked out.
Jesus christ. I'd hope Floyd would "get his ass knocked out" against GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXFactor
40 years old, in what would be his 6th weight class. GGG hasn't fought anyone with a pulse, and has only fought at 160.
He was scared to even mention Ward's name. Ward had to go up and get Kovalev because GGG didn't want it.
Canelo by decision.
Ay bro. I bet GGG would get his ass knocked out if he fought Anthony Joshua.
Fucking retard logic.
Yeah a 5 round MMA fight is gruelling, but he didn't gas after 5 rounds of grappling, takedowns, submission attempts, etc. He gassed badly in the 2nd then noticeably slowed down in the 3rd round & basically held on to a decision victory for the final 2 rounds in what were basically striking/boxing matches against Diaz so I don't see how he's possibly going 12 rounds against Mayweather. I just can't see him improving his stamina to that point & these were in fights where he didn't have to contend with any significant weight cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMMI think 5, 5 minute rounds of punching, kicking, grappling, takedowns, submission attempts, etc. is pretty comparable to 12 rounds in boxing. But 12 rounds against Mayweather is different, because you spend so much time and energy trying to find him and hit him. It takes a lot of energy out of you to keep missing with punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
Once Conor gets tired, I really think Floyd is going to hurt him with a body shot.
Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I don't recall any significant grappling moments in the second fight & there were none in the first fight until the finish.
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Originally Posted by JMM
It's not that crazy. Mayweather faught at 154. I agree though, that GGG is a giant compared to Mayweather and there is no comparison since Mayweather walks around at 145 -160 all year and GGG walks around at 175 - 185. GGG has boxed with some good boxers, but most of the big names have ducked him for years. Glad Canelo finally stood up unlike Cotto and others.
GGG should put on 10 pounds and fight Ward. That would also be fun to watch.... a fight I believe Ward would win.
It is kind of crazy when you consider that Mayweather at 154 is his 5th weight class. I'm not even a huge Mayweather fan, I just always end up defending him, because people put unrealistic expectations on him, because they want to see him lose.Quote:
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Originally Posted by JMM
It's not that crazy. Mayweather faught at 154. I agree though, that GGG is a giant compared to Mayweather and there is no comparison since Mayweather walks around at 145 -160 all year and GGG walks around at 175 - 185. GGG has boxed with some good boxers, but most of the big names have ducked him for years. Glad Canelo finally stood up unlike Cotto and others.
GGG should put on 10 pounds and fight Ward. That would also be fun to watch.... a fight I believe Ward would win.
What if we say "ok, GGG needs to come down to 147 to fight Mayweather" ? People would say it's ridiculous. He's way too small for 160. No one should be calling for that fight. But they should (as you said) expect GGG to go up and fight Ward, if he beats Canelo.
I believe Conor has a suspect gas tank and Floyd will fight a few rounds very safe then take over and get Conor out of there mid to later rounds. I haven't checked the odds, any line on whether Conor wins a round or not? I believe based on ring generalship Conor may sneak a round out early when Floyd fights safe with little offensive output. I still think he's a dog to win a round but depending on the line might be worth a bet.
For the past 22 years I've regularly trained in Muay Thai, boxing and some MMA work and it's a world of difference for cardio. Throwing even a leg kick is far more taxing than punches, standing clinch work is also exhausting. I still think Conor will have cardio issues but you can't compare boxing to MMA. A 5 minute MMA conditioning round is a nightmare to get through while it's fucking hard to gas just throwing punches.
Conor threw a lot of kicks and they clinched up a ton, that shit is hard work. Conor is also very explosive and puts a lot into all his strikes. With the bigger gloves, no kicks, no clinch work and an assumption that Conor won't put everything behind every shot (he might given a lack of boxing experience) he should show a lot better cardio in boxing than he does in MMA. Will it be enough to get through 12 rounds? I highly doubt it but it shouldn't go to shit in round 2 or 3 like we've seen in MMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey GuyYeah a 5 round MMA fight is gruelling, but he didn't gas after 5 rounds of grappling, takedowns, submission attempts, etc. He gassed badly in the 2nd then noticeably slowed down in the 3rd round & basically held on to a decision victory for the final 2 rounds in what were basically striking/boxing matches against Diaz so I don't see how he's possibly going 12 rounds against Mayweather. I just can't see him improving his stamina to that point & these were in fights where he didn't have to contend with any significant weight cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMM
Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I don't recall any significant grappling moments in the second fight & there were none in the first fight until the finish.
One weird thing though, Conor in some of his earlier MMA fights seemed to show pretty solid cardio. He looked good despite being injured for all 3 rounds vs Max Halloway. I think his desire to get the KO causes him to throw too hard and blow his wad early.
Fuck it. UFC isn't gonna get more fans if Conor wins. Every knuckle head already watches. Boxing will get more fans though if a guy not even known for knockouts destroys him. And even worse if Conor beats him is fringe boxing fans that like UFC equally will now be turned off from boxing. All that will be left is JMM and Rocky Balboa. The money people can not afford to not have the boxing guy win this. And the quicker the better IMO.
Also I have outs because of the whole "dude not even from this sport is fighting the best" thing. In case that matters.
687 Mayweather knocks down McGregor round 1 +800
1099 Mayweather wins in round 1 +2000
737 Mayweather wins in first 60 seconds +4000
I think you're throwing money away betting on anything interesting from Mayweather in round one. He's gonna defense up and look to wear McGregor out.
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Originally Posted by peter mcneil
The odds I took reflect your sentiment. I won't be shocked if I'm wrong. My bet is solely on there being a puppet master and for that puppet master to think its best the boxer wins... FAST. Huge boost for boxing and UFC takes it in stride. A long grueling fight is almost like the MMA guy winning. To be clear I got most of this information on vision quest (drive to get cigarettes)
Bet $ 500.00 to win $ 10,000.00
Result: Pending
McGregor vs Mayweather - Pick the Rnd (12 Full Rds=Loss)
01 Round Mayweather Wins
08/26/17 23:05 EDT
20/1
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Originally Posted by thesidedish
BALLLLLLLIN. I've got nothing like that down. Hopefully by before the fight I will. At least also bet the Mayweather under 3 rounds as well. Would suck to be right but not right enough.
It'll be tough for boxing if Mayweather loses. The very best boxer in the world, against a guy with no pro boxing experience. MMA fans would never shut up. And rightfully so. There's absolutely no reason for Mayweather to lose. Even at 40 with a 2 year layoff. Conor is off a....fucking forever layoff, in a pro boxing ring.
UFC wins either way. Conor making it 12 rounds is the next best thing to winning. Making it 10 rounds would be something worth bragging about. If he loses? Well, no shit. If he finds gold and lands a knock out punch, stick a fork in it. Boxing may not recover.
Thankfully Canelo/GGG is around the corner.
Yeah, we're on the same page here. I don't think he gasses in a couple rounds but highly doubt he has the stamina to go 12 or even 9 or 10 "just" boxing. I think carrying around an extra 6oz on his hands is gonna be a bigger factor, stamina & speed wise, than many think too.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter mcneilConor threw a lot of kicks and they clinched up a ton, that shit is hard work. Conor is also very explosive and puts a lot into all his strikes. With the bigger gloves, no kicks, no clinch work and an assumption that Conor won't put everything behind every shot (he might given a lack of boxing experience) he should show a lot better cardio in boxing than he does in MMA. Will it be enough to get through 12 rounds? I highly doubt it but it shouldn't go to shit in round 2 or 3 like we've seen in MMA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Guy
One weird thing though, Conor in some of his earlier MMA fights seemed to show pretty solid cardio. He looked good despite being injured for all 3 rounds vs Max Halloway. I think his desire to get the KO causes him to throw too hard and blow his wad early.
those 'conor has great cardio' fights were, coincidentally im sure, pre USADA.
Good point as well. I think McGregor has less of a chance than anyone thinks, it might be close to no chance. Jorge Masvidal talked about the level difference between the top MMA strikers and boxers. He said even very good amateur boxers mop the top MMA strikers up in training when it's just straight boxing. Masvidal did say that early on in sparring the MMA fighter can clip the boxer because of the awkwardness but once the boxers get the timing it's not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonatine
literally turning into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnyftZZ880s